[Standard] 11/10 Top Tier Vanilla+ Game Thread

[Andrej]

I wasn't speaking about you specifically there Nyn, more generally. Scum have to falsely case townies in order to win, it's as simple as that.

 

Justifying your bad reads behind a veil of effort doesn't make you automatically pro-Town, that was my point.

[Nynaeve]

I wasn't speaking about you specifically there Nyn, more generally. Scum have to falsely case townies in order to win, it's as simple as that.

 

Justifying your bad reads behind a veil of effort doesn't make you automatically pro-Town, that was my point.

 

Yeah, but my posts in the matter were in response to this:

 

 

Thats the thing though. I know shes played a clean game but she has been so wrong that I think nyn still has both SK and wolf equity.

 

 

Hence why I was referring to myself. And it's not so much effort, but more logic and conviction. 

 

 

 

 

Also.... I keep confusing you and Darthe. Your avatars seem so similar. 

[Andrej]

Join us Nyn.

[hazelkrs1]

Nyn could be Andre's sister

 

[Darthe]

She taught me everything I know dude!

 

I could also see Nyn as Jenny?  Kinda.  Maybe.

 

Des where are you with this day?  I'm bored and want some movement.

[Andrej]

lololol

[Nynaeve]

Krak ISO

 

 

 

starts off with a bit spam

 

Quotes Lee's interacions with Barm about the 'sup' post and asks if anyone else is getting third party vibes from Leelou. Either SK hunting or trying to make Leelou bad. Prolly both.

 

Quotes a jokey exchange between Thane and Cass and says Thane is clear in his opinion. The convo was not game related at all so he basically didn't base this on anything that I could see. Getting a buddying feel from it.

 

More exchange with Leelou about her giving SK vibes. Not dwelling on this cause we know her flip already anyhow.

 

Quotes my post where I ask to drop the past mislynches deal of Thane and look at his content this game. Says the post likely comes from a town me, in his opinion.

 

Says a Thane lynch on D1 is a lazy lynch. Another Thane defense.

 

Questions Verbal what is his angle in Thane. His focal point seems to be Thane so far. I really do think it's buddying since he seems very invested in town reading him, questioning people who seem to be on Thane's case. I  don't think he'd stick his neck out like this for a teammate.

 

Nudge at Verbal when he replies that he has no angle with Thane. Asks him if he was just talk to talk.

 

Quotes Salami voting him for hiding and being scarce. Krak says his activity is gonne be the same for the next day or so.

 

Asks me what my thoughts are so far, saying he's at work. Then there was the whole part that when I showed up I loled at Kivam's joke about stroking and Krak had a cow about me being around but not responding to him, even though I posted my read list hours prior to that. In retrospect he was obviously not reading the thread properly.

 

So yeah, a request to engage him cause he wants to clear me early. Barm quotes him and asks how long until we hear what HE thinks. He says after he gets off work. 

 

Then he quotes dice unvoting Cass and nudges him, asking why he felt the need explain his unvote. Dice explains. Krak says yep and drops it.

 

Then he says his top town reads are: Thane, Salami, Barm. Bottom two: Leelou and me. 

 

I crack a joke about being in the bottom and suddenly he shifts out of joke mode, and says tha me not engaging him is worrisome. Sure. Leelou quoes this and asks him what did he contribue so far. He asks her wha's her point. Says he really doesn't like posts like that, which makes zero sense. Keeps leaning on Leelo.

 

Then he goes on to keep pushing me about not engaging him on game related stuff, but being content on replying when it's none game relaed stuff. 

 

Claims I look defensive, which is weird cause he was townreading me before.

 

Lee keeps leaning on him for being hypocritical. 

 

Krak keeps going on about feeling like I'm worried about engaging him in real time. Bla bla bla. How come I didn't link him to my reads or answered, how come I got defensive. And then he adds that he has Leelou in his bottom two because he doesn't have a read on most of the thread, and because of the way she replied to his third party prod.

 

Then he votes me after I quote a jokey post he made before he addressed Leelou's questions. I was basically making a point about him posting a none game related post instead of immediately replying to Leelou's game related question.

 

I reiterate that I already posted my reads and that it was on him for following the thread poorly. I got peeved at him being thick.

 

Verbal quotes Krak asking him why he felt the need to interrogate dice about his unvote on Cass. Krak says he just wanted to know if there was a connection. Says he's gonna read up on the thread.

 

He follows up with a WoT, quoting some posts and commenting. He pulls up a quote of Darthe where he says that Lee looks like she has a guilty conscious (about the whole 'sup' post). Krak says it looks like a normal post from Darthe but we'll see if he goes anywhere with it?

 

Quoes a random post of Lee saying she's gonna freeze walk to work. Claims this post looks good cause she's all comfortable after her exchange with Barm and Darthe. He quotes her again asking if it's time to lynch Darthe. He says this is an interesting post considering it's both a question and a nudge. 

 

Quotes AJ saying that sili voting Thane as a D1 lynch rubs him the wrong way even if it was a joke. Krak says he can buy that.

 

Quotes Yates seer claim and his dice peek. Says this is likely to come from town Yates, in his opinion. Helping out his bro.

 

Jokey unimportant reply to Wombat about rigor jimmies.

 

Quotes wombat's reply to Lee's comment about time to lynch Darthe. Wombat says: Nope.avi. Krak says it looks like Wombat saw something that has him townreading or nullreading Darthe. Doesn't actually ask Wombat, merely states it.

 

Quotes Darthe saying that Salami is howling. Krak thinks that Darthe is trying to shift focus to salami.

 

Pulls out the same quote from earlier of Cass and Thane joking around and doing a hiting the hay joke and repeats himself by saying this post is townie. 

 

Quotes an Arsis post.... where Arsis is talking at Yates asking him why he's trying to manipulate how people read this game... and why didn't he bring the 3 amigo thing in the sign up. Says it seems like Yates is trying to establish cover as to why he won't behave the same. Krak agrees with this and says it's a good point by Arsis.

 

Quotes Leelou's response to the third party accusation, reiterating again how he didn't like her reply and she was redirecting when she asked him if he felt like she was giving out third party vibes.

 

Soft defends Thane to Des, where he says he didn't like Thane getting so reactionary with his exchange with Barm. Agrees with Des' tentative town read on AJ.

 

Requotes what I said that gave him a town feel on me initially. 

 

Requoes and reiterates that he didn't like Verbal going at Thane when he had no angle. Ie soft defending Thane again.

 

Throws out reads: Yates is null. Verb is sketchy. Salami/Des are clear.

 

Then he posts his read list here: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91702-standard-1110-top-tier-vanilla-game-thread/?p=3378223

And about a paragraph on every person and why he's reading them tha way.

 

Drops a vote on Sili. Cass asks why. Seems weird considering he explained lol Anyways he explains again, giving examples what he found iffy about Sili. This is prolly the only interaction he had with Cass.

 

Resurfaces 4 days later like 30 minutes till deadline and drops that vote on Pral. Which is ??? considering Kivam was the lead train and he could have voted AJ to Verb.... this whole thing still doesn't make sense to me.

 

Asks how in the world did Des lose his tunnel vision on DPR.

 

Jokes around with Wombat.

 

Gets dead.

 

 

The spoilered has a sum up of his posts, basically, along with a link to his read list. I left my commentary to a minimum and will list it below. 

 

 

Points of interest.

 

Since early on he latched onto Thane, townreading him and soft defending him from other people repeatedly. This feels like him buddying up a known scummy townie he can later get credit for if Thane got mislynched. I think this makes Thane look good. I don't think Krak would have made a point of being all over Thane if they were w/w. Small chance imo. Especially considering how he avoided any interactions with his now known teammates.

 

Krak hounded Lee over nonesense and puts her in her bottom reads while pushing the whole third party angle and not liking her interfering when he was trying to grill me.

 

He pointed out a post of mine as townie initially, then hounded me cause I didn't engage him and, put me in his bottom two along with Lee, voted me.... but after a back and forth put me in his greens cause he thought that my AtE seemed townie. I think he was trying to seize an opening but since I confronted him and especially because other players were disapproving of his push, he backed down.

 

Him bringing up that unvote by dice.... seems like him trying for another opening. IE why would someone explain an unvote on a joke vote. But dice's response was good and stopped him in his tracks.

 

As far as how he regarded his teammaes.... He didn't really talk directly to Kivam or Yates in his posts. He only agreed with Arsis' post criticizing Yates for bringing up the three amigos deal. Oh and he quoted Yates seer claim and said it looked townie. Kivam he didn't mention even once until his posted his read list. So one he did mention but didn't interact with. And the other he didn't mention or interact with. Could be telling in regards to how he treated the last teammate... butt considering he slanked... he didn't interact with most. 

 

 

 

Here's the read list for reference (I marked flips and seer peek): 

 

 

Wombat

Deslami

 

Nyn

Thane

Kivam

Dice

 

AJ

 

DPR

Rags

Cass

Hallia

Stelio

VerBarm

 

Yates

 

Tress

Darthe

Arsis

 

Leelou

Sili

 

 

 

From a 'spreading out teammates' POV (considering Kivam is up and Yates is at the bottomish) the last scummy could  be in Rags/Cass. But there's really no guarantee that it was how he sorted it out. If anyone has any insight on his read list, I'd love to hear it. I don't really excel in read list analysis. 

[Darthe]

Just going to say that if it was real I would eat the hell out of Yobagoya and I would probably be subscribed to NeckFlix if it was cheaper.

[Nynaeve]

Just a FYI... I haven't gotten around to doing much in the sense of spew analysis in the past... so if the above sucks... deal :P

 

 

I'd love to hear what the rest of you think, stuff I missed, stuff you might not agree with... yada yada yada.

[Nynaeve]

Join us Nyn.

 

 

Nyn could be Andre's sister

 

 

 

She taught me everything I know dude!

 

I could also see Nyn as Jenny?  Kinda.  Maybe.

 

Des where are you with this day?  I'm bored and want some movement.

 

 

TV show?

[Andrej]

It's called The League.

[Nynaeve]

Ah. I saw some guys mentioning it in JN. I'll look it up.

[Andrej]

As far as Krak went I pretty much agree with you. I think his spew points more so to villagers than it does to link him to teammates. Him being a ghost for most of the game before he got capped doesn't help much either.

[csarmi]

She taught me everything I know dude!

 

I could also see Nyn as Jenny? Kinda. Maybe.

 

Des where are you with this day? I'm bored and want some movement.

Jenny played guitar

Johnny played the bass

Name of the band is the human race

Everybody tell me

Have you heard

Derf goes the world

[Andrej]

We need Taco.

[csarmi]

Now who caught Krak with his first serious vote?

 

^^this guy

[hazelkrs1]

I'd say Leelou makes a better Jenny. Sticking with Andre's sister for Nyn

 

And yeah, I would eat the MESS out of some yogaboya!

 

And holy crap do we need a Taco. Man, that should have been ME. Durn. We're Dap still around I'd nominate him, also Krak could take it

 

Back to game thoughts- kinda busy atm so can't get all in depth, but I'm pretty much with AJ on this one. Let's sort out the biggest question mark today, let NA's narrow the field more, and see where we're at then.

 

Don't like Tress's response today, the way she tried to appeal to Salami supposedly townreading her, so happy with my vote there.

 

It IS still a deadline game tho so we can't rush it anyways, and I still haven't done spew analysis

[Pralaya]

 

Krak ISO

 

 

 

starts off with a bit spam

 

Quotes Lee's interacions with Barm about the 'sup' post and asks if anyone else is getting third party vibes from Leelou. Either SK hunting or trying to make Leelou bad. Prolly both.

 

Quotes a jokey exchange between Thane and Cass and says Thane is clear in his opinion. The convo was not game related at all so he basically didn't base this on anything that I could see. Getting a buddying feel from it.

 

More exchange with Leelou about her giving SK vibes. Not dwelling on this cause we know her flip already anyhow.

 

Quotes my post where I ask to drop the past mislynches deal of Thane and look at his content this game. Says the post likely comes from a town me, in his opinion.

 

Says a Thane lynch on D1 is a lazy lynch. Another Thane defense.

 

Questions Verbal what is his angle in Thane. His focal point seems to be Thane so far. I really do think it's buddying since he seems very invested in town reading him, questioning people who seem to be on Thane's case. I don't think he'd stick his neck out like this for a teammate.

 

Nudge at Verbal when he replies that he has no angle with Thane. Asks him if he was just talk to talk.

 

Quotes Salami voting him for hiding and being scarce. Krak says his activity is gonne be the same for the next day or so.

 

Asks me what my thoughts are so far, saying he's at work. Then there was the whole part that when I showed up I loled at Kivam's joke about stroking and Krak had a cow about me being around but not responding to him, even though I posted my read list hours prior to that. In retrospect he was obviously not reading the thread properly.

 

So yeah, a request to engage him cause he wants to clear me early. Barm quotes him and asks how long until we hear what HE thinks. He says after he gets off work.

 

Then he quotes dice unvoting Cass and nudges him, asking why he felt the need explain his unvote. Dice explains. Krak says yep and drops it.

 

Then he says his top town reads are: Thane, Salami, Barm. Bottom two: Leelou and me.

 

I crack a joke about being in the bottom and suddenly he shifts out of joke mode, and says tha me not engaging him is worrisome. Sure. Leelou quoes this and asks him what did he contribue so far. He asks her wha's her point. Says he really doesn't like posts like that, which makes zero sense. Keeps leaning on Leelo.

 

Then he goes on to keep pushing me about not engaging him on game related stuff, but being content on replying when it's none game relaed stuff.

 

Claims I look defensive, which is weird cause he was townreading me before.

 

Lee keeps leaning on him for being hypocritical.

 

Krak keeps going on about feeling like I'm worried about engaging him in real time. Bla bla bla. How come I didn't link him to my reads or answered, how come I got defensive. And then he adds that he has Leelou in his bottom two because he doesn't have a read on most of the thread, and because of the way she replied to his third party prod.

 

Then he votes me after I quote a jokey post he made before he addressed Leelou's questions. I was basically making a point about him posting a none game related post instead of immediately replying to Leelou's game related question.

 

I reiterate that I already posted my reads and that it was on him for following the thread poorly. I got peeved at him being thick.

 

Verbal quotes Krak asking him why he felt the need to interrogate dice about his unvote on Cass. Krak says he just wanted to know if there was a connection. Says he's gonna read up on the thread.

 

He follows up with a WoT, quoting some posts and commenting. He pulls up a quote of Darthe where he says that Lee looks like she has a guilty conscious (about the whole 'sup' post). Krak says it looks like a normal post from Darthe but we'll see if he goes anywhere with it?

 

Quoes a random post of Lee saying she's gonna freeze walk to work. Claims this post looks good cause she's all comfortable after her exchange with Barm and Darthe. He quotes her again asking if it's time to lynch Darthe. He says this is an interesting post considering it's both a question and a nudge.

 

Quotes AJ saying that sili voting Thane as a D1 lynch rubs him the wrong way even if it was a joke. Krak says he can buy that.

 

Quotes Yates seer claim and his dice peek. Says this is likely to come from town Yates, in his opinion. Helping out his bro.

 

Jokey unimportant reply to Wombat about rigor jimmies.

 

Quotes wombat's reply to Lee's comment about time to lynch Darthe. Wombat says: Nope.avi. Krak says it looks like Wombat saw something that has him townreading or nullreading Darthe. Doesn't actually ask Wombat, merely states it.

 

Quotes Darthe saying that Salami is howling. Krak thinks that Darthe is trying to shift focus to salami.

 

Pulls out the same quote from earlier of Cass and Thane joking around and doing a hiting the hay joke and repeats himself by saying this post is townie.

 

Quotes an Arsis post.... where Arsis is talking at Yates asking him why he's trying to manipulate how people read this game... and why didn't he bring the 3 amigo thing in the sign up. Says it seems like Yates is trying to establish cover as to why he won't behave the same. Krak agrees with this and says it's a good point by Arsis.

 

Quotes Leelou's response to the third party accusation, reiterating again how he didn't like her reply and she was redirecting when she asked him if he felt like she was giving out third party vibes.

 

Soft defends Thane to Des, where he says he didn't like Thane getting so reactionary with his exchange with Barm. Agrees with Des' tentative town read on AJ.

 

Requotes what I said that gave him a town feel on me initially.

 

Requoes and reiterates that he didn't like Verbal going at Thane when he had no angle. Ie soft defending Thane again.

 

Throws out reads: Yates is null. Verb is sketchy. Salami/Des are clear.

 

Then he posts his read list here: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91702-standard-1110-top-tier-vanilla-game-thread/?p=3378223

And about a paragraph on every person and why he's reading them tha way.

 

Drops a vote on Sili. Cass asks why. Seems weird considering he explained lol Anyways he explains again, giving examples what he found iffy about Sili. This is prolly the only interaction he had with Cass.

 

Resurfaces 4 days later like 30 minutes till deadline and drops that vote on Pral. Which is ??? considering Kivam was the lead train and he could have voted AJ to Verb.... this whole thing still doesn't make sense to me.

 

Asks how in the world did Des lose his tunnel vision on DPR.

 

Jokes around with Wombat.

 

Gets dead.

 

 

 

 

The spoilered has a sum up of his posts, basically, along with a link to his read list. I left my commentary to a minimum and will list it below.

 

 

Points of interest.

 

Since early on he latched onto Thane, townreading him and soft defending him from other people repeatedly. This feels like him buddying up a known scummy townie he can later get credit for if Thane got mislynched. I think this makes Thane look good. I don't think Krak would have made a point of being all over Thane if they were w/w. Small chance imo. Especially considering how he avoided any interactions with his now known teammates.

 

Krak hounded Lee over nonesense and puts her in her bottom reads while pushing the whole third party angle and not liking her interfering when he was trying to grill me.

 

He pointed out a post of mine as townie initially, then hounded me cause I didn't engage him and, put me in his bottom two along with Lee, voted me.... but after a back and forth put me in his greens cause he thought that my AtE seemed townie. I think he was trying to seize an opening but since I confronted him and especially because other players were disapproving of his push, he backed down.

 

Him bringing up that unvote by dice.... seems like him trying for another opening. IE why would someone explain an unvote on a joke vote. But dice's response was good and stopped him in his tracks.

 

As far as how he regarded his teammaes.... He didn't really talk directly to Kivam or Yates in his posts. He only agreed with Arsis' post criticizing Yates for bringing up the three amigos deal. Oh and he quoted Yates seer claim and said it looked townie. Kivam he didn't mention even once until his posted his read list. So one he did mention but didn't interact with. And the other he didn't mention or interact with. Could be telling in regards to how he treated the last teammate... butt considering he slanked... he didn't interact with most.

 

 

 

Here's the read list for reference (I marked flips and seer peek):

 

 

Wombat

Deslami

Nyn

Thane

Kivam

Dice

AJ

DPR

Rags

Cass

Hallia

Stelio

VerBarm

Yates

Tress

Darthe

Arsis

Leelou

Sili

 

 

 

From a 'spreading out teammates' POV (considering Kivam is up and Yates is at the bottomish) the last scummy could be in Rags/Cass. But there's really no guarantee that it was how he sorted it out. If anyone has any insight on his read list, I'd love to hear it. I don't really excel in read list analysis.

I am wondering, would he have 5 townies in the bottom five?.I kinda think Darthe is town, I know I am - which would leave Tress as the doubtful one here. Since has yates just on top, I kinda agree with you on that scum is ibn the middle group.

[Pralaya]

Which kind of makes me doubtful about my read on thane actually.

[Andrej]

 We're Dap still around I'd nominate him, also Krak could take it

 

Weird because that's actually what I thought of when I started to think about it.

 

Random musings.

 

Anyways I'm pretty sure Tom is gonna shorten the phases at this point, which I'm cool with.

[Tommyrod]

I would obviously be Taco

[Darthe]

You would be "The Body's" yesman.

[Darthe]

Krak's list is from where in the game Nyn?

[Pralaya]

From D1 ... some where in page 50-60, I guess.

[Nynaeve]

Krak's list is from where in the game Nyn?

 

Krak posted a read list on the 12th on 8:30 PM (My time, ie GMT+2): http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91702-standard-1110-top-tier-vanilla-game-thread/?p=3378223

 

A minute later he votes Sili.. 3 hours later he explains to Cass why he voted Sili. Final VC of D1 was like a day and some later (14th, 4 AM). Krak was the second person on Sili's train. His read list + response to Cass, followed by his vote on Sili, were basically the last game related posts he made till he showed 30 minutes before D2 deadline (18th, 4 AM) and dropped a vote on Pral.