[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[monstrman]

today is mislylo

 

we lynch wrong we lose

[monstrman]

I'm okay with des/rags wagons also tbh

[TheRagnarok]

Don't be stupid.  I'm not scum.

 

If it would make you feel any better Monstr, I'll vote for whoever you want me to. 

 

The ways things are now, I'm leaning towards serf/corlia/Des being 3 scum. 

[dicetosser1]

Dice, your thoughts on hallia?

 

 

Not all the way caught up.

 

Sure there are claims, but who can say who's are real or not?

 

I went with Des because he's my strongest town read.

 

 

Despot is your strongest town read even though he just tried to push 3 flipped townies in a row? ...

 

##vote hallia

 

 

answer enuff?

[Sili Quirrels]

today is mislylo

 

we lynch wrong we lose

 

 

Dice, your thoughts on hallia?

 

 

Not all the way caught up.

 

Sure there are claims, but who can say who's are real or not?

 

I went with Des because he's my strongest town read.

 

 

Despot is your strongest town read even though he just tried to push 3 flipped townies in a row? ...

 

didn't you just say he was your strongest townread earlier today?

 

nope. he was never my 'strongest' town read, and even if he were i have to question how badly he's flopped around on town mislynches.

 

like how i have to question how key has targeted the targets of two nks, or alanna has hedged most of the game, and is a non-entity at the moment.

 

besides, not only would i have never used a doc on desp, but i'm allowed to be a hypocrite.

[TheRagnarok]

Hhmmm...serf makes a good point on Alanna.  Could switch those two.

[Sili Quirrels]

today is mislylo

 

we lynch wrong we lose

I don't understand. I thought we had a couple days left.

 

Even if the scum team has 4 players, despite the presence of an sk, there are 10 players left? so if we mislynch it drops to 8 with a 5 to majority hammer.

[monstrman]

 

today is mislylo

 

we lynch wrong we lose

I don't understand. I thought we had a couple days left.

 

Even if the scum team has 4 players, despite the presence of an sk, there are 10 players left? so if we mislynch it drops to 8 with a 5 to majority hammer.

 

 

tomorrow is parity if we mislynch

 

4 town 4 scum

[monstrman]

I mean unless there are only three scum but I'm not willing to take that gamble

[Sili Quirrels]

Don't be stupid.  I'm not scum.

 

If it would make you feel any better Monstr, I'll vote for whoever you want me to. 

 

The ways things are now, I'm leaning towards serf/corlia/Des being 3 scum. 

So basically everyone Dingus mentioned but yourself. >.>

 

 

Hhmmm...serf makes a good point on Alanna.  Could switch those two.

I'm not ever going to vote her, and I will never condone it.

 

But yes, I could understand a wagon on her.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

today is mislylo

 

we lynch wrong we lose

I don't understand. I thought we had a couple days left.

 

Even if the scum team has 4 players, despite the presence of an sk, there are 10 players left? so if we mislynch it drops to 8 with a 5 to majority hammer.

 

 

tomorrow is parity if we mislynch

 

4 town 4 scum

 

Oh. lol. Don't know how I missed that.

 

Guess I'm showing my inexperience XD

[Sili Quirrels]

Don't be stupid.  I'm not scum.

 

If it would make you feel any better Monstr, I'll vote for whoever you want me to. 

 

The ways things are now, I'm leaning towards serf/corlia/Des being 3 scum. 

For the rest of the game?

[Alanna]

I'm not a non- entity. I have been out of town on vacation all week without a laptop. So I'm limited to mobile and gave really only had free time on the evenings. I apologize, I really did not realize it would take me away from the game so much. I kind of didn't consider how much I rely on doing rereads and ISOs, which are virtually impossible on my phone, especially in a game with so many pages.

 

In spite of his track record, I think despo is town. He's a light green for me. I'm also tinfoiling on Lates now, though that is mostly due to mechanics and not behavior. I don't know, does anyone else find it weird to have both a tracker and a watcher in a game? To me that seems like overkill.

 

A bit hypocritical, I know, but I'm a little concerned about how little I can recall of rags in this game, aside from his pushing on Verb.

 

Hallia, I keep wavering on. JOAT seems a more likely role to me on this game than a tracker (on top of a watcher, I mean), but her vote on verb looked pretty scummy to me.

 

I think dice looks pretty townie, and I'm mixed on Pral.

 

I want to look back at a Rags ISO and one on Pral, but unless anyone wants to post them, I can't do that until I get home late tomorrow, at the earliest.

[Alanna]

 

 

Don't be stupid. I'm not scum.

 

If it would make you feel any better Monstr, I'll vote for whoever you want me to.

 

The ways things are now, I'm leaning towards serf/corlia/Des being 3 scum.

So basically everyone Dingus mentioned but yourself. >.>

 

Hhmmm...serf makes a good point on Alanna. Could switch those two.

I'm not ever going to vote her, and I will never condone it.

 

But yes, I could understand a wagon on her.

That's , like, nice of you and all, but why exactly could you not condone a vote on me, especially as you think I've been hedging? Seems like a strong word to use.

[Sili Quirrels]

the same reason i thought desp was scum half the game, or tom was scum in my first game.

 

some reads are made of honor, and i follow through on them even if it's to the detriment of my wincon.

[TheRagnarok]

 

Don't be stupid.  I'm not scum.

 

If it would make you feel any better Monstr, I'll vote for whoever you want me to. 

 

The ways things are now, I'm leaning towards serf/corlia/Des being 3 scum. 

So basically everyone Dingus mentioned but yourself. >.>

 

 

Hhmmm...serf makes a good point on Alanna.  Could switch those two.

I'm not ever going to vote her, and I will never condone it.

 

But yes, I could understand a wagon on her.

 

Which is why I said I've give him my vote.  I think he is on the right track with most of his suspects.

 

I just happen to not be one of them.

[Sili Quirrels]

okay, that's good and all.

 

but i want to see you scum hunting this game o.O

 

at least for the rest of the day-

[monstrman]

halliaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

why you no give me your suspeeeeeeeeeeeeectcsssssssdssssssdssss

[hazelkrs1]

Yo. Caught up at least.

 

Okay so first off, are all NA's accounted for?

 

Second- just a little mini meh-rant. I kind of don't understand WHY town is in as bad of shape as it is. I know I've been wrong a couple of times, but I don't think I have been BAD, like I was trying to make connections and stuff but just ended up being wrong. And besides the CFD on Thane D1, every lynch seemed like it had a good chance of hitting scum each day. So mainly I'm just wondering how this is even happening :-/

 

Anywho, lemme at least congratulate Manbat for keeping his WIM up, good to see from one of my strongest town reads. Altho I found his VC anaysis pretty weak tbh (most of the time it seemed he drew conclusions from I don't know where, and then didn't really explain how he came to those conclusions), reading his posts did inspire some WIM in me.

 

I also think Hallia Doc protecting me last night makes very little sense. Strongest town read or no, I had basically no chance of getting NK'ed last night, not with other PR claims still open and when I had just been wrong on 2 straight lynches. Don't know if I find her scummy for it, just think that doesn't make sense.

 

I wanna start building up a POE after audit. I haven't even really written one out all game, and I need SOMETHING to help me try to clear this picture up a bit.

[Sili Quirrels]

might be an awkward time to ask, but what does poe stand for?

[hazelkrs1]

Process of Elimination. Basically group up your strongest reads, and use that to help solidify reads on people you're on the fence about.

 

Speaking of, I'm already worried my POE is going to be pretty weak, which isn't good for this stage of the game

 

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 VOTE COUNT

 

Team Cuddles (1): Arsis

Berf (5): Key, Alanna, AJ, Thane, Tommy

BFKEY(2): Dice, Pral

Sili (4): Des, Rags, Lates, Cuddles

Arsis (2): Verbal, Monstr

Verbal (1): Sili

 

 

 

Not Voting (1): The rest of you lot.

 

 

Deadline Set:  

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141030T21&p0=2133&msg=Deadline+Day+1&csz=1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

des/rags/lates/corlia

 

ALL look shifty now

 

Berf becomes more likely mafia

 

 

This post for instance Manbat.

 

I know this is somewhat wifomy, but you seriously think the entire scum team would all vote in a block together to try and get a newbie lynched?

 

Doesn't make any sense. Think you had already reached a conclusion then started suffering from confbias.

 

And I know, that's prob funny coming from me, but eh. Also, don't take this as me attacking you Manbat- you seriously are one of, if not my only, firm townread at this point. Town has to stick together more than ever now- I feel that if we mislynch today, the game is over.

[BFG]

N1 Result: Pral did not target anyone

N2 Result: BFKey targetted Tommy

N3 Result: NA failed to return a result

 

So you can ask Pral or BFKey what they know about it.

We didn't jail Yates or Arsis, so I don't know if we were blocked or not.

 

I'd rather Lates revealed their target and then I'll see if it matched ours.

 

Why assume it was me or Pral, when we know that mafia have a blocking role?

[hazelkrs1]

Just started audit but I DID want to go ahead and discuss what is prob my top scum read atm: Dicetosser1

 

OMGUS!

 

 

Not really tho. After all, I was casting aspersion on him long before he ever voted me today. Here's what I'm thinking tho-

 

 

 

blue   thats funny   I seem to remember you going pretty hard after the same person I did. Can you say hypocrite?

 

Uh yeah, and then I later revealed that push of mine was a trap, you even called me Desackbarthera yourself.

 

 

yet you still went at him. iirc you also went at sili too didnt you?

 

Still at work. ><. Bowling on Wed so I followed along but have trouble continuously commenting.

Des - that casing is impressive!

##vote: Verb

 

seriously??  thats it.

 

unvote ##vote hally 

 

 

Alright so first of all, the reason I quoted this post was because of the vote on Hallia, but first I just wanna say Dice has had what I would consider the typical scum-type reaction to gambits in this game- act all incredulous, and scold the person who did it. He doesn't do it in this post, but the first part of it reminded me of that. He DOES keep saying I went after Tommy, even tho I have made clear multiple times that that was a false trail I was laying to try and catch scum.

 

And incidentally, he WAS one of those who was pushing to lynch Tommy even as a BP a LOT, and yeah I'll pull quotes on that later to expand on that concept.

 

Anyways, as far as the vote here, he seems to be making it clear that he's voting Hallia because she's sheeping my case on Verb.. but first of all the tone is a little off here. "That's it" makes it seem like that sheep vote just pushed Dice over the edge to make him want to vote her, but more importantly the aggressive tone there looks like posturing to me, and even the new and improved aggressive town Dice doesn't posture much, especially with his vote.

 

Just seems like a scummy vote, but what makes it worse is his posts later in the day when he switches to Verb-

 

gun to head i might go verbal.

 

hes been iffing along on me all game and his flip might allow me to solidify my read on des.

 

Im voting hallia cause i have not liked her recent responses.

 

So he says he might go Verbal. Alright, meh not much there.

 

"hes been iffing along on me all game" fails a tone read, and also seems like faint overjustification for a vote, especially since I didn't see Dice commenting on Verb much all game, even tho Verb constantly kept bringing up Dice.

 

Bigger thing is the "his flip might allow me to solidify my read on des" since first of all, this implies he has a townread on me at this point (and that a scumflip on the person I was pushing might allow Dice to solidify his town read on me) - which is strange considering his vote on me earlier.

 

Looks to me like Dice was trying to set up my lynch with the townflip on Verb- and this becomes more clear to me with later posts.

 

Anyways he also explains his vote on Hallia, which looks like a sort of thing scum would say as a throwaway line to justify their vote/read on someone- "i have not liked her recent responses". Doesn't say WHICH responses, doesn't talk about her sheep vote which was implied was his reason for voting her earlier.

 

allright im willing to try this

 

unvote ##vote verbal

 

After laying the groundwork for voting Verbal a bit earlier, he then votes Verb. I mentioned right after the flip how Dice's vote on Verb stood out the most to me. He seemed all passionate about lynching Hallia earlier, then acts like he is slowly convinced into voting her countertrain?

This is pretty much the exact opposite of how Town!Dice handles this situation. If he is passionate about someone being scum (and judging from his recent posts, he STILL is passionate about Hallia being scum), he doesn't let himself be dissuaded easily just to end up voting the countertrain to said scum candidate. He is MORE than happy to be a voice of dissent, even if everyone else believes something and he is arguing the opposite. He was like this even BEFORE some famous GOAT games from him recently where his voice of dissent was actually right on the money. So yeah, not buying how easily he ended up being "sold" on voting Verb, and letting his highest scum read (Hallia) slip through the cracks.

 

right thats it. i have decided to make this game easier for myself.  how? simple.

 

no more thinking.  its not working. here on out pure gut. and i already know where im starting and exxpect huge opposition.

 

This post set off minor pings for me when I read it, but now in context it looks worse. Looks like a blatant attempt to set up a vote on me the following day ("i already know where im starting and expect huge opposition).

 

As I mentioned before, his post about a scumflip on Verb solidifing his read on me could have been scum!Dice trying to set up the next day's lynch. This strengthens that possibility imo.

 

Also, if he expected huge opposition to my lynch, why did he abandon it so quickly?

 

and i voted him early iirc

 

 

 

so like i said  gut time.

 

##vote des

 

And here's where he follows through on said "gut".

 

Again, he apparently had a town read on me before, and has seen me be wrong plenty of times as town, so why in the world would he suddenly go from townreading me to having a "gut scumread" on me??? Especially weird considering how much WIM I displayed with that Verb iso.

 

 

Dice, your thoughts on hallia?

 

 

Not all the way caught up.

 

Sure there are claims, but who can say who's are real or not?

 

I went with Des because he's my strongest town read.

 

 

Despot is your strongest town read even though he just tried to push 3 flipped townies in a row? ...

 

##vote hallia

 

 

answer enuff?

 

 

So again, even tho he expected huge opposition to a lynch on me, he abandons it that easily even tho I hadn't even posted yet?

 

Also again, this vote looks like posturing to me ("answer enuff?") and that is just not something that Dice does as town.

 

There is more on Dice as well, I already mentioned his pushing on Tommy, and then there's also his "I feel like voting BFKey today. Thoughts?" post. He's also looked more reactionary than solvy at this point, and is throwing out more throwaway small posts this phase, which is looks more like scum!Dice eager to put this game in the bag, than town!Dice desperate and scrambling to make sure town lynches scum this phase.

[BFG]

Pral - we'd been left with Rags/Dice/Verb and either Serf or Alanna. I still think EOD1 wagons make Serf/Alanna an unlikely mafia team, which means I'm misclearing someone, and since a number of people were 'cleared' as a group in my POE it's possible that I've miscleared a group of people.