[Advanced] Kronos and Kaylee's Firefly Mafia Won

[WWWwombat]

 

I can see where you're coming from there, but Salami has played an atrociously scummy game. and that might be enough to lock Clov in unless you can give him something more substantial than meta.  IIRC, he's said he doesn't really trust you this game.

 

I actually had Tom as very high town from early on based on the way he approached Csarmi and me regarding Leelou.  When Csarmi voted for her and said I made a good point - when I really hadn't said anything that could be considered a good point at all - Tom asked him what point I had made.  He came back to me and asked for specific examples after I dodged his initial probing. The only scum motivation I could could up with for him doing that would be is if I was completely off base and he wanted to help me push that lynch but couldn't do so without knowing what angle to take.

 

The strength of the read has decreased some as the game went on because it seemed like he was immediately disregarding everything I said.  Doing so would make sense if he thought I was surefire scum, but then why waste his time asking?  

 

 

Maybe he's slightly ambivalent?

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count:

Csarmi (3): Leelou, Wombat, Clov
Wombat (2): AJ, Csarmi
Clov (3): Nyn, Tommy, Sili
Thane (1): Des

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline Set for Friday 9pm MST

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141017T21&p0=3862&fg1=80c2da&msg=End+of+Day+1&csz=1

Not Voting (7): SP, Thane, Pral, Verbal, Alanna, Yates, Hally

[Clovdyx]

So Clov's suspects are.... the newbie..... Thane, who is always considered to be lynchbait as town.... and Salami, who can derp all the way to hell and back as town.

 

Okay.

 

There's 15 people I can lynch.  I have three suspects.  There's no way to read SP or Pral.  Verbal hasn't posted in...what?  Three days?  

 

That leaves 60% I'm feeling at least somewhat good with me.  Taking off my top reads, who am I wrong about between Wombat/AJ/Hallia/Yates/Tommy?

[Sili Quirrels]

I'll cave Wombat.

 

I don't sheep, and I do not follow because these are signs of somebody weak of spirit or mind, and I am not these.

 

I balk at your claim.

[Nynaeve]

 

So Clov's suspects are.... the newbie..... Thane, who is always considered to be lynchbait as town.... and Salami, who can derp all the way to hell and back as town.

 

Okay.

 

There's 15 people I can lynch.  I have three suspects.  There's no way to read SP or Pral.  Verbal hasn't posted in...what?  Three days?  

 

That leaves 60% I'm feeling at least somewhat good with me.  Taking off my top reads, who am I wrong about between Wombat/AJ/Hallia/Yates/Tommy?

 

 

Actually there's prolly around 12 people you can mislynch.

 

I just think it's cool that you have all the active power townies in your town list. Makes life easier.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

So Clov's suspects are.... the newbie..... Thane, who is always considered to be lynchbait as town.... and Salami, who can derp all the way to hell and back as town.

 

Okay.

 

There's 15 people I can lynch.  I have three suspects.  There's no way to read SP or Pral.  Verbal hasn't posted in...what?  Three days?  

 

That leaves 60% I'm feeling at least somewhat good with me.  Taking off my top reads, who am I wrong about between Wombat/AJ/Hallia/Yates/Tommy?

 

 

Actually there's prolly around 12 people you can mislynch.

 

I just think it's cool that you have all the active power townies in your town list. Makes life easier.

 

 

Yes - I have the people who have been towntelling on D1 in my townlist.

 

Go.  Figure.

[WWWwombat]

Nyn, what's your feeling on Clov's play outside of the thing with Leelou?

[Sili Quirrels]

My town list is like 1 (aj) 2 (tom) 3 (nyn) 4 (alanna) 5 (csarmi) 6 (yates) and me (7).

 

I think that's pretty impressive. I would have included thane if not for that contrived rebuttal.

[Clovdyx]

My town list is like 1 (aj) 2 (tom) 3 (nyn) 4 (alanna) 5 (csarmi) 6 (yates) and me (7).

 

I think that's pretty impressive. I would have included thane if not for that contrived rebuttal.

 

I'm impressed by you putting your seventh.

[Sili Quirrels]

my scum list is 1 (wombat) 2 (clov) 3 (lelou) 4 (Hallia)

[Sili Quirrels]

 

My town list is like 1 (aj) 2 (tom) 3 (nyn) 4 (alanna) 5 (csarmi) 6 (yates) and me (7).

 

I think that's pretty impressive. I would have included thane if not for that contrived rebuttal.

 

I'm impressed by you putting your seventh.

 

I am a lucky number.

[Clovdyx]

my scum list is 1 (wombat) 2 (clov) 3 (lelou) 4 (Hallia)

 

Okay, that's new.  What's the reasoning behind that?

[Nynaeve]

Nyn, what's your feeling on Clov's play outside of the thing with Leelou?

 

 

He's scum. Like. I don't think he could look scummier to me. 

 

On that one game where Clov got mislynched as town, Tommy mixed and matched some posts of his from a scum game with the ones in the game in question... and I ended up joining his train because the resemblance in wording and content was uncanny. But I didn't really read him as scum. The case just felt very compelling because his wording was so similar. On that day I learned that Clov's town and scum games are very similar and I prolly wasn't at a place where I could discern the difference.

 

Nowadays, though, especially after being in a scum team with Clov and Tom, I feel like I have a better grasp of his wolf game. He is not playing like town Clov. His tone is completely off. He's picking the low hanging fruit. He's not in solve mode. He's in mislynch mode. And he's aiming at what's easier. That's how it comes across to me.

[Verbal32]

Omg

[Verbal32]

 

 

So Clov's suspects are.... the newbie..... Thane, who is always considered to be lynchbait as town.... and Salami, who can derp all the way to hell and back as town.

 

Okay.

There's 15 people I can lynch. I have three suspects. There's no way to read SP or Pral. Verbal hasn't posted in...what? Three days?

 

That leaves 60% I'm feeling at least somewhat good with me. Taking off my top reads, who am I wrong about between Wombat/AJ/Hallia/Yates/Tommy?

2 days. I am not online weekends. Today is a holiday and I'm not at work, which is when I usually play.

 

Wow, this was a busy weekend. This will take some serious time to catch up.

[Sili Quirrels]

it's a gut feeling. i'll speak on it later,

 

 

my scum list is 1 (wombat) 2 (clov) 3 (lelou) 4 (Hallia)

 

Okay, that's new.  What's the reasoning behind that?

 

I don't understand muse, so I can't translate for you no matter how hard I try. All I know is I think she's scum and would not in the slightest be surprised if she was one.

 

Maybe I'll speak on it again if she posts.

[Leelou]

Omg

 

Hi honey! ^_^

[Clovdyx]

 

Nyn, what's your feeling on Clov's play outside of the thing with Leelou?

 

 

He's scum. Like. I don't think he could look scummier to me. 

 

On that one game where Clov got mislynched as town, Tommy mixed and matched some posts of his from a scum game with the ones in the game in question... and I ended up joining his train because the resemblance in wording and content was uncanny. But I didn't really read him as scum. The case just felt very compelling because his wording was so similar. On that day I learned that Clov's town and scum games are very similar and I prolly wasn't at a place where I could discern the difference.

 

Nowadays, though, especially after being in a scum team with Clov and Tom, I feel like I have a better grasp of his wolf game. He is not playing like town Clov. His tone is completely off. He's picking the low hanging fruit. He's not in solve mode. He's in mislynch mode. And he's aiming at what's easier. That's how it comes across to me.

 

 

Just so we're perfectly clear, you no longer believe that my scum and town games are very similar, right?  That's out the window.

[csarmi]

Verb we'll need your pencil. We got a wild rodent on the loose.

[Leelou]

 

Nyn, what's your feeling on Clov's play outside of the thing with Leelou?

 

 

He's scum. Like. I don't think he could look scummier to me. 

 

On that one game where Clov got mislynched as town, Tommy mixed and matched some posts of his from a scum game with the ones in the game in question... and I ended up joining his train because the resemblance in wording and content was uncanny. But I didn't really read him as scum. The case just felt very compelling because his wording was so similar. On that day I learned that Clov's town and scum games are very similar and I prolly wasn't at a place where I could discern the difference.

 

Nowadays, though, especially after being in a scum team with Clov and Tom, I feel like I have a better grasp of his wolf game. He is not playing like town Clov. His tone is completely off. He's picking the low hanging fruit. He's not in solve mode. He's in mislynch mode. And he's aiming at what's easier. That's how it comes across to me.

 

 

Besides the thing with me, I'd almost have Clov in my town pile. You and Tom both have more experience with him and are saying he's scum, so I'm going to ISO him and see if I see anything different. 

 

As far as Salami goes, I think I might reevaluate him some, but I still can't get over how much he's changed reads just by being questioned on them and seems to be trying to go with the consensus. 

[Verbal32]

Verb we'll need your pencil. We got a wild rodent on the loose.

Wombat? What did he do now?

[Nynaeve]

Omg

 

*laughs*

[Leelou]

 

Omg

 

*laughs*

 

 

*snickers* 

[Yates]

I don't understand what you don't understand a lot this concept. Let me try this:

 

Think of behavioral psychology. Do you think scum and town will have the same internal mental thought processes given the same external stimulus?

No. However self-aware scum would be able to fake a Town's thought process simply by pretending they are Town and asking themselves how they would think as Town in that situation. Ask AJ about this. I think he and I are both pretty good at pretending to have a Town mindset as scum simply by playing the game as if we don't know our own alignment.

 

In other words, I understand what you are saying but I disagree with how reliable a tell that is because it is an angle I have exploited as scum in the past. If you want to say I'm giving Csarmi too much credit in that regard? That's a different conversation to have.

[Nynaeve]

Just so we're perfectly clear, you no longer believe that my scum and town games are very similar, right?  That's out the window.

 

Not really. My point is that I can notice the little differences. Regardless of alignment, you try to be engaging, find the logic, be actively involved. My point is that it comes across as fake to me now, whilst when I had less experience with you i prolly wouldn't know which way to go with you.