[Advanced] Kronos and Kaylee's Firefly Mafia Won

[Andrej]

Poor guy he probably did catch up at least halfway. Lol.

 

No mercy for SP imo

 

He legit needs to get punished for his nonchalance when it comes to these games. It's seriously a problem how he just completely neglects it and just floats as a question mark for the rest of the players who actually are trying to solve.

 

Was Wombat going after anyone hard? That seems like a tough kill to make over me or AJ. I'll look when I get home.

 

Puppets should be temp banned from joining games. He disrespects the efforts of everyone by effectively creating an empty slot.

 

I don't think he was in general. He started to push Hallia around pg ~150 something, but eventually went back to Thane. I don't remember anything from him that I would consider a hint either - he may have just been fear killed and wolves got lucky that he was actually the Cop.

 

Makes me wonder why Sili wasn't targeted after all his hinting though. Or me, for that matter.

[Yates]

Also I've called Tom tomcat a couple of times cause he always shares pics of his cat. Why?

It stood out to me with Sili's "vote control."

 

@Tom - does Sili refer to you as "Tomcat?"

[Yates]

 

 

The suspicion for pushing the Hallia counter wagon goes to Nyn, which means she was protecting Hallia?  Am I reading that correctly?

No. He's talking about when Nyn left the Hally wagon to vote Thane after her ISO posts.

 

 

I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. I unvoted Clov after his claim. Then I ISOed both Halli and Thane and voted Thane. I did vote at Halli at some point throughout the game...don't remember when.

 

Not "incorrect" per se, but an oversimplification perhaps? Point being you had moved off of Clov after his claim, did your ISO, chose Thane over Hally, and that's the basic series of events Pral is talking about.

[Nynaeve]

It stood out to me with Sili's "vote control."

 

Ah. I guess I missed it. 

[Nynaeve]

 

 

 

The suspicion for pushing the Hallia counter wagon goes to Nyn, which means she was protecting Hallia?  Am I reading that correctly?

No. He's talking about when Nyn left the Hally wagon to vote Thane after her ISO posts.

 

 

I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. I unvoted Clov after his claim. Then I ISOed both Halli and Thane and voted Thane. I did vote at Halli at some point throughout the game...don't remember when.

 

Not "incorrect" per se, but an oversimplification perhaps? Point being you had moved off of Clov after his claim, did your ISO, chose Thane over Hally, and that's the basic series of events Pral is talking about.

 

 

I just meant I didn't leave the Halli wagon.... wasn't on it. I was one of the none voters and then voted Thane later on.

[Yates]

I just meant I didn't leave the Halli wagon.... wasn't on it. I was one of the none voters and then voted Thane later on.

OH! I just realized I typed "Hally wagon" and meant "Clov wagon." Sorry about that.

[Nynaeve]

np

[Andrej]

 

Was Wombat going after anyone hard? That seems like a tough kill to make over me or AJ. I'll look when I get home.

 

Puppets should be temp banned from joining games. He disrespects the efforts of everyone by effectively creating an empty slot.

I don't remember that he was looking hard at anyone in particular, but I want to look back too. I suspect it was more because he's a smart player, and by the end if Day 1, most people were townreading him, so he wouldn't have been an easy lynch target. Well, no more than usual, anyway.

 

This is pretty fair and I agree.

 

The way this has gone down to me points to a strong wolf team full of vocal players.

 

Such as who?

 

Spew some truth here Hallia.

 

 

You were weakening on Hallia at EOD and brought up a lot of points for lynching Thane. No idea how you can insist otherwise or say my logic is wrong.

 

U mad?

Mad? No. Confused by your purported logic? Yes.

 

Actually, I was weakening on THANE. I just didn't have a better vote and didn't think we had time to start all over after Clov-gate.

 

I'm saying your logic is wrong because your logic is wrong. My read on Hally at the time is irrelevant to the driving tenet of your argument. You are saying that if I were scum with Hally I was protecting her. I just illustrated that if I were scum with Hally, precisely what you pointed out as evidence for me PROTECTING her is actually the opposite. Preventing a CFD at EOD would not be protecting a scum partner. Preventing a CFD at EOD would be putting my scum partner in a bigger bind. Your argument would have been better if you tried saying I was protecting *SP* as my scum partner. But, obviously, that is clearly not the case.

 

No Yates; maintaining votes on Thane is preventing another wagon from gaining steam. You cannot possible argue otherwise. Do YOU believe what you're saying?

 

I think you are both *technically* correct here. I feel like this argument would be more prominent if we had harder evidence, IE: Hallia/Yates with a wolf flip

 

I do feel like Yates was playing in a villager manner from what I remember as I was reading through the other night before Thane got lynched

 

 

 

 

The way this has gone down to me points to a strong wolf team full of vocal players.

 

What makes you say that?

 

Alanna - can you help me out here? Is anything Tommy is saying right now making sense to you?

 

I do follow the logic that some people who pushed for Thane near EOD could be scum with Hally. Suppose Hally is scum. At some point earlier, they were tied for votes; they each had 3 at some point. It's worth looking then to see who after that started pushing more for a Thane lynch, because they would be trying to keep from Hallia getting a majority of votes.

 

However, I can't remember which way you were pushing at EOD, I need to look back at that. I've been rereading some, I'm around page 132 right now.

 

Again, not a bad line of thought but I still think it's a little premature imo. I would much rather resolve Hallia's slot and THEN look back to see who added the momentum votes to Thane before I went on a witch hunt for those on his wagon if we don't know Hallia's actual alignment.

[Andrej]

 

 

Someone is controlling my votes. i have to change votes when I am told. that is the outside news.

 

My news. this is the right play I... think. I am the Tracker and despothera targeted wombat last night..

Well, that's actually TWO pieces of news.

 

1. We have a vote controller being a douche. That severely limits our suspect pool in that regard.

 

and

 

2. Des has some splainin to do.

The vote controller is you, isn't it? You're trolling the piss out of me.

 

Tommy - who [that is on now] refers to you as "Tomcat?"

 

This exchange kind of sketches me out about Yates.

 

I don't think he's *not* slick enough to pull something like that.

 

Can a VC make you spam like that?

 

I doubt it. Haven't really played with one tbh but after reading through and seeing how people are pulling timestamps... it'd be incredibly hard.

 

 

 

Tommy - who [that is on now] refers to you as "Tomcat?"

Nyn as far as I know.

 

Good catch.

 

Or Hallia maybe.

 

Okay. So I'm lynching out of Des/Hally/Nyn today unless someone wants to claim to be a TOWN vote controller...

 

Ftr, I've recently started calling Tom "Tomcat" too. This post sort of goes in line with the above though - I wouldn't put it past you to be crafty enough to pull a move like that to use it to cast suspicion on other players.

 

 

Oh hi Clov. Feeling better?

 

No, my stomach's still bothering me a bit.  Thanks for asking though.

 

Hi Clov.

 

Welcome back

[Andrej]

Tommy, here's where I'm not following you - if I'm looking at these vote counts correctly (I started looking back starting at about page 130), Yates was voting Thane long before he and Hallia kind of became the two possible lynches. He was voting him before Clov claimed and everyone jumped off of him. I would think it more likely (again, supposing Hallia is scum) that some of those people - people who went from Clov to Thane, or people who were nonvoting and jumped on Thane's wagon - would be scum.

 

Yup.

 

Nice post Alanna

 

@Tommy - notice this vote controller hasn't voted Alanna yet? Also telling.

 

[v]Alanna[/v]

 

Or Clov...

 

[v]Clov[/v]

 

So it's someone online right now. Could be Sili faking it. I would have left by now.

 

Yeah... basically either he's faking it or you're controlling it imo

 

I'm saying it's someone voting for people they "know." Alanna hasn't been in many games. Clov hadn't been around for a while until recently. But mostly I was reaction testing. Those votes for Alanna and Clov came after I mentioned them in thread.

 

Coincidence?

 

[v]Alanna[/v]

[v]Clov[/v]

 

lol

[Andrej]

 

Or he's faking it? -.- either way stahhhhp

 

This was my assumption.  If his vote is being controlled, why is HE moving it? I seriously doubt he's getting a PM from Kaylee or Tress every time the controller decides to move it.  That would be make it impossible for the mods to actually focus on the game.

 

Kinda Mod gamey, but I'm leaning more in this direction than anything. Makes me a little paranoid about Yates though but that could just be circumstantial stuff and Sili is trolling.

 

 

 

Tommy, here's where I'm not following you - if I'm looking at these vote counts correctly (I started looking back starting at about page 130), Yates was voting Thane long before he and Hallia kind of became the two possible lynches. He was voting him before Clov claimed and everyone jumped off of him. I would think it more likely (again, supposing Hallia is scum) that some of those people - people who went from Clov to Thane, or people who were nonvoting and jumped on Thane's wagon - would be scum.

You are not incorrect but neither does that impact my thinking.

 

Fair enough. Having looked back, he did start pushing the Thane lynch pretty hard once all the stuff with Clov claiming doc went down, and he'd be worth a look at if Hallia is also scum. If Hallia is town, I'm not sure there's anything there. Which I think is the point you were making.

 

I see you came to this conclusion yourself.

 

Another good post imo

 

Alanna officially back into my green reads.

 

 

 

 

Despo is Mafia. Does that help with the PoE?

 

No, because he's not.  I already explained why I think he's town.  You see how he tried a random CFD on AJ EOD yesterday?  In no way does scumDes try that - no way.

 

Why not? It's not like the CFD was actually going to happen and guess what - Despot is suddenly no longer on the wagon of his lock!scum read on Thane, who happened to flip VT. I don't think it's outside of wolf range by any means. He pushed the wagon to the extent that it became prominent, and then in the final hour when the mislynch was ensured he could cleanly switch to someone else because of ~reads.

 

Eh, I disagree.  I think it is too risky of a play.  I admit I don't have real evidence as to why I think that - just my gut feel.

 

[v] Des [/v]

 

you've broken my heart Des ; . ;

 

Just noting this quickvote on Des before the guy has a chance to come in and explain.  Especially since Sili seems to have gone off the deep end.

 

Gut is fine. I don't think it'd be THAT huge of a risk though - Despot is good enough to know that he needs to fake conviction in his reads, so he could justify the late vote move because he was 'scum reading' me at the time.

 

Also - just to keep the record straight, Hallia voted Despot BEFORE Sili went nutso with the votes.

[Sili Quirrels]

why does it sound forced? Im angry. i do not want to play like this.
 
Why are you not voting for scum?

[Sili Quirrels]

[v]tommyrod[/v]

[Andrej]

I kinda want to just kill Sili to see how he flips.

 

I would hate to potentially kill a PR but I'm having a REAL hard time believing the VC is working this quickly.

 

At this point he's either a wolf and is lolcatting or he is telling the truth and Despot is a scummy mcscumster after all.

 

Which would be fantastic cause then AJ is...

 

 

 

 

LOCK CLEAR

 

 

 

[Andrej]

Ftr - of those voting Thane who were also on the Clov wagon, Leelou really stands out in my mind.

 

She's had several 'flop' votes that I think were on potential townies throughout D1.

 

I've been meaning to ISO her but I don't have a ton of time before I need to leave for work so I'd rather interact in real time and save the casing for tonight when I come home and get settled in.

[Sili Quirrels]

[v]tommyrod[/v]

[Andrej]

She's also been buddying up to Nyn imo

 

Her comment yesterday of "you're so ridiculously town' or whatever read to me like a pocketing attempt while she was simultaneously FOS'ing Pral for scum reading Nyn.

 

That's what I meant the other day when I said people who were using Nyn's cleared-ness to suspect those not viewing her as town were likely bad guys.

 

Leelou, Hallia, Verb come to mind iirc

[Andrej]

[v]Leelou[/v]

[Andrej]

Sili if you can actually talk - explain why you tracked Despot.

[Sili Quirrels]

[unvote]

[v]tomkitten[/v]

[Andrej]

I kinda want to just kill Sili to see how he flips.

 

I would hate to potentially kill a PR but I'm having a REAL hard time believing the VC is working this quickly.

 

At this point he's either a wolf and is lolcatting or he is telling the truth and Despot is a scummy mcscumster after all.

 

Which would be fantastic cause then AJ is...

 

 

 

 

LOCK CLEAR

 

 

 

 

Not to mention I may or may not have shot SP in the head last night.

 

Also not to mention that may or may not have been my only shot.

 

Your move, wilves.

[Alanna]

Yeah, I did come to the same conclusion, AJ, and for that reason, I still think Hallia would be a good lynch today (though definitely I want to see what comes of this Sili/Despot stuff too). I've been rereading EOD stuff, and I'm finding that it's hard to come to any real conclusions without knowing Hallia's alignment. Thane flipping town gives us some info, but it's hard to fill in the bigger picture without knowing Hallia's slot.

 

Anyway, just some early thoughts, still plenty of daytime left.

[Sili Quirrels]

[unvote]

[Andrej]

Alanna I feel pretty good about you fwiw.

 

Hallia is basically an enigma to me, I don't claim to be able to read her at all because I've led lynches on here a bunch of times and she was town. That said I've also picked up on some of her scummy habits when she was a wolf too - but overall, I usually think she looks sketchy so my track record is probably ~45% correct.

 

There were some things she did near the EOD1 that I thought were probably villagery, like her voting for Pral when he listed her as one of his bottom 3.

 

I would say Cop her, but...

 

well, you know.

[Andrej]

Ftr this game is going to become exponentially harder because the Doc is outed and our Cop is dead.

 

If Sili is telling the truth here the Tracker is also outed.

 

And I may or may not have used my only shot last Night eliminating SP's sorry ass. That's if I'm actually the Vig, which I may or may not be.

 

Which basically makes Town ~vanilla while the wolves probably still have a lot of fire power

 

D2 lynch is going to be pivotal to solving. We *NEED* to kill a wolf in this situation.