Freemasons vs. Illuminati - Day One

Yates · September 27, 2014

There's also no counter wagon...

Remember, there's only two scum left. If Hally is scum, he partner can't start a counter wagon of two without tying themselves to Hally's fate.

Also, as an aside, I wanted to quickly comment on your claim theory. While you may not have been lynched due to the good will from the Lenlo wagon? That doesn't mean you wouldn't have been seer viewed. Basically, we are sacrificing our masons to buy the seer more time to find the other illuminati. So scum can either leave confirmed town on the table and get killed as we approach mylo OR take a chance at killing a VT claim in the HOPES of finding the Seer before getting exposed.

Basically, we put scum in as tough a spot as possible with little place for the Illuminati to hide.

BFG · September 27, 2014

There's also no counter wagon...
Remember, there's only two scum left. If Hally is scum, he partner can't start a counter wagon of two without tying themselves to Hally's fate.

Also, as an aside, I wanted to quickly comment on your claim theory. While you may not have been lynched due to the good will from the Lenlo wagon? That doesn't mean you wouldn't have been seer viewed. Basically, we are sacrificing our masons to buy the seer more time to find the other illuminati. So scum can either leave confirmed town on the table and get killed as we approach mylo OR take a chance at killing a VT claim in the HOPES of finding the Seer before getting exposed.

Basically, we put scum in as tough a spot as possible with little place for the Illuminati to hide.

I know, but it's reminding me of you and Key in WS. I'm finding Hallia impossible to read this game, which probably means mafia, but I also struggle to see Hallia leading lynches on GF and going at AJ/TG as mafia.

Having reread Tron game where she joked a lot and some more recent town games where she was more involved, I keep changing my mind between a more aggressive mafia Hallia and a town Hallia more caught up in the other game :unsure:

You're right the mafia have a choice to make between killing clear town or chancing on the seer, but the goon's a potential problem. Not the time to debate this though.

I'll also admit it grates being forced to play a role one way :sad:

With the goon/mason I'm concerned that a lot of people think that Lenlo wagon clears people because he's illuminati and not the goon, where in this setup the goon is more powerful imo.

Yates · September 27, 2014

With the goon/mason I'm concerned that a lot of people think that Lenlo wagon clears people because he's illuminati and not the goon, where in this setup the goon is more powerful imo.

Fair point. I just think the Lenlo lynch team should get a 1 day pass and be off the lynch pool for today [but not necessarily removed from the seer pool tonight].

On the plus side:

A. We remove a "we're Town - no WE are Town" debate and

B. The other illuminati force claimed VT - which means we can find them.

BFG · September 27, 2014

1/4 since it apparently didn't post before :dry:

Hey can I [v]TG[/v] for the lulz yet?
Repeat.

[v]Len[/v]

Scum last time. Lolcatting this time. Why don't you spew some of your teammates for us and quit interacting with Darthe so much?

Hello! I see it is time to sit back and observe.

If Vos were here this would be a scum claim. =null as you did the same last game.

If Vos were here this would be a scum claim. =null as you did the same last game.
Actually, the fact that he pointed this out would make me suspect of his intentions if he actually followed through on it. Then it would look like scum making an excuse to lurk.

Actually:

[v]GF[/v]

Show me you were joking.

[v]Addi[/v]

Like so:

[v]TG[/v]

Challenged accepted.

Len is acting legitimately strange this game though. His response to me felt awkward when I was really just poking at him

[v]Len[/v]

Have at thee

I think Key just claimed scum, folks:

Hello! Sorry I've been absent; had a killer busy day today. Have one tomorrow as well, just ftr. Going through now :).
You're welcome.

[v]Keyholder21[/v]

Addict I'd rather NO ONE help you ITT (In The Thread) that way if you seem at all competent in any way I can go at you for being coached OTT (Off The Thread, as in on a scum QT)

Except there are also two mason teams with QTs, which AJ mentioned last game. So not sure why you would immediately jump to that as scum even if she sounded knowledgable.

[v]Des [/v] *g*

Feel free to explain then.

I just think we need to roll on her for now.

Aggressive. Way too sure of other's orientation, particularly mine. I'm pegging you as mafia. Sorry if I'm wrong, but you're throwing mad scum vibes.

[vote]Clovdyx[/vote]

[v]Clovdyx[/v]

Official Vote Count 1?

TG (1/7): Len

Len (2/7): TG, AJ

Addi (1/7): Clov

Key (1/7): Yates

Des (1/7): Key

Clov (1/7): Addi

Not Voting (5/12):

Dice, Des, Hally, GF, BFG

39 hours til night.

BFG · September 27, 2014

With the goon/mason I'm concerned that a lot of people think that Lenlo wagon clears people because he's illuminati and not the goon, where in this setup the goon is more powerful imo.
Fair point. I just think the Lenlo lynch team should get a 1 day pass and be off the lynch pool for today [but not necessarily removed from the seer pool tonight].

On the plus side:

A. We remove a "we're Town - no WE are Town" debate and

B. The other illuminati force claimed VT - which means we can find them.

Yup, don't get me wrong Towne's in good shape. I'm just finding everyone scummy arm, so that pool of 7 is still pretty big to me

Incidentally I'm glad you explained that 'mason' post at the beginning, every time I read it it reads strangely :) I had Des's mason partner to you, TG or Addi before you claimed (both times), so that was sort of ironic

Yates · September 27, 2014

1/4 since it apparently didn't post before

What is this? Vote progressions?

BFG · September 27, 2014

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91135-freemasons-vs-illuminati-day-one/page-37?do=findComment&comment=3345934

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91135-freemasons-vs-illuminati-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3343795

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91135-freemasons-vs-illuminati-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3343796

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91135-freemasons-vs-illuminati-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3343798

Sorry this took a while :/

Lenlo's joke vote of TG - called out by TG for lolcatting, and a strange follow up by AJ, looks good for both of them. There's an early defence by Key which is interesting just because it's so early.

TG voted Lenlo - lolcatting. Followed up with decent pressure

Yates voted GF - seemingly a policy style RVS vote or something.

Clov voted Addi - 'trap' vote. While waiting for TG there were a couple of hints that suggested it was a 'trap' vote. Initially looked good.

AJ voted TG - showing Addi how RVS works oO

AJ votes Lenlo for weird responses to TGs vote. Seems solid, I don't remember AJ pushing Lenlo the way he pushed for TG in Version1, but Lenlo didn't really post anything new for AJ to push, wasn't attacking AJ, so a different situation. Looks good for now.

TG: Lenlo, AJ

Lenlo: TG, AJ

GF: Yates

Addi: Clov

Yates votes Key - joke vote that stayed the course /shrug

TG: Lenlo, AJ

Lenlo: TG, AJ

GF: Yates

Addi: Clov

Key: Yates

Key votes Despo - initial vote seems to be a joke, but she follows through and has a back and forth with Des later on, which justifies the continued vote.

TG: Lenlo, AJ

Lenlo: TG, AJ

GF: Yates

Addi: Clov

Key: Yates

Despo: Key

Addi votes Clov - OMGUS (pretty much) I think she disappears soon after this :/

TG: Lenlo, AJ

Lenlo: TG, AJ

GF: Yates

Addi: Clov

Key: Yates

Despo: Key

Clov: Addi

Dice votes Addi - this sits wrong as well - Dice emphasises its a gut feel, several times. Additionally it seems strange given Dice is a homegrown DM mafia player that he'd vote someone in their first game.

Despo votes Dice - seemed odd at the time, calling Addi scummy while voting Dice for doing the same

TG - revotes Lenlo as he's forgotten who he's voting (seems odd actually, why vote Lenlo if you've forgotten who you're voting for, surely that means you've forgotten why you'r evoting them as well?) On second thoughts this looks odd

TG - votes BFG - proTown motivation, given that I hadn't posted at the time

Clov - votes Despo, picks apart some of his WoT then says he's trying to hard to seem to be contributing. This vote was actually a bit surprising to me on reread, I don't remember Clov really following this up and it comes on the back of saying Des wasn't putting much effort in. I can agree that if someone changes behaviour it can seem scummy because it could be a change so that person seems less scummy. Think Clov needs an ISO. Also need to check is Clov was sitting back or just absent during the Key/Des debate.

TG: Lenlo, AJ

Lenlo: TG, AJ, TG

GF: Yates

Addi: Clov, Dice

Key: Yates

Despo: Key, Clov

Clov: Addi

Dice: Despo

BFG: TG

TG votes Lenlo - ++ProTown - says he's still the scummiest person, would have been easy to leave a vote on me, but moves it back to an actual suspect.

TG: Lenlo, AJ

Lenlo: TG, AJ, TG, TG

GF: Yates

Addi: Clov, Dice

Key: Yates

Despo: Key, Clov

Clov: Addi

Dice: Despo

BFG: TG

Des agrees with Yates that a Hallia/Lenlo show down would be good and votes Lenlo

Des votes Key for cheerleading Des's train but not trying to detremine alignments of people on it. Nothing much in either of these votes, we know Des was town - at the time found it interesting that a lot of people were saying Lenlo/Hallia but voting Hallia - that's resolved itself :blush: Am interested in rereading the Des/Key debate at the time I first read it, it was just words now I want to see specifically what Clov was doing

TG: Lenlo, AJ

Lenlo: TG, AJ, TG, TG, ~~Despo~~

GF: Yates

Addi: Clov, Dice

Key: Yates, Despo

Despo: Key, Clov

Clov: Addi

Dice: Despo

BFG: TG

Hallia votes GF - I want to say this looks good for Hallia, but I can't rule out a Lenlo/Hallia/Key team.

TG: Lenlo, AJ

Lenlo: TG, AJ, TG, TG, ~~Despo~~

GF: Yates

Addi: Clov, Dice

Key: Yates, Despo

Despo: Key, Clov

Clov: Addi

Dice: Despo

BFG: TG

GF: Hallia

Lenlo votes GF - multiple problems, most of which have already been pointed out. Something I've missed before is that Lenlo also ignored the Des train, which makes Key look better. Given his reads it would have been as easy to bullshit a vote on Des as it was on GF - since reasoning on GF appeared tacked on. Given that Lenlo hates bussing I'm still wary of Key from this though.

TG: Lenlo, AJ

Lenlo: TG, AJ, TG, TG, ~~Despo~~

GF: Yates

Addi: Clov, Dice

Key: Yates, Despo

Despo: Key, Clov

Clov: Addi

Dice: Despo

BFG: TG

GF: Hallia, Lenlo

GF votes Key - solid vote :)

Dice votes GF - If Lenlo's teammate and given his previous reads Dice could have #YOLO voted pretty much anyone.

TG: Lenlo, AJ

Lenlo: TG, AJ, TG, TG, ~~Despo~~

GF: Yates

Addi: Clov, Dice

Key: Yates, Despo, GF

Despo: Key, Clov

Clov: Addi

Dice: Despo

BFG: TG

GF: Hallia, Lenlo, Dice

BFG & GF vote Lenlo - solid votes :)

TG: Lenlo, AJ

Lenlo: TG, AJ, TG, TG, ~~Despo~~, BFG, GF

GF: Yates

Addi: Clov, Dice

Key: Yates, Despo, GF

Despo: Key, Clov

Clov: Addi

Dice: Despo

BFG: TG

GF: Hallia, Lenlo, Dice

BFG · September 27, 2014

TLDR

Voting from D1 - Yates vote did stand out :blush:

Moving on Dice's vote on Addi and Clov vote on Des are interesting, Dice for the over emphasis on gut and Clov cos I don't remember any follow through.

@Key why did you initially vote Des?

@Hallia did you ever explain what you meant by 'weird' in regards to GF's posting style?

BFG · September 27, 2014

1/4 since it apparently didn't post before
What is this? Vote progressions?

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BFG · September 27, 2014

~~TG: Lenlo, AJ~~

Lenlo: TG, AJ, TG, TG, ~~Despo~~, BFG, GF

~~GF: Yates~~

Addi: Clov, Dice

Key: Yates, Despo, GF

Despo: Key, Clov

Clov: Addi

Dice: Despo

BFG: TG

GF: Hallia, Lenlo, Dice

I also don't see a Hallia/Dice/Lenlo team. Hallia couldn't really vote an existing wagon, as she had them all as town (I think), Lenlo could have voted Key or Des, Dice YOLOVote could have been on anyone to try and save Lenlo, so as a team that makes no sense.

Hallia · September 28, 2014

I've most certainly got my reads out there. Yates, and until today Key, were my town reads. I'm rather forced to believe GF now. Addi/Dice were my initial strongest mafia leans, but Key has joined htem. Null you you, I haven't seen enough to have an opinion.

BFG · September 28, 2014

I'm not liking you or TG at the moment. I'm doing my normal short work posts. They've always been this way, so not sure why the suspicion

Your TG/me read

Well, during the day I post like that as per norm. I keep things short on mobile because it's difficult to go and quote, make lists etc. (For me anyways)

I've played with you guys long enough for me to find you to calling it "sniping" suspicious.

*nodnod*

I'm liking the Key this game.

If you wish, it's a waste, but if it'd make you feel better.

Although Key did kinda vanish. Maybe Des is right. Am I too quick to clear people?

I'll go with my gut

[v] GF [/v]

I stand by my vote. He was doing the same things AJ was accusing Len of.
I don't disagree with you. But that would make me question AJ as opposed to vote GF. Know what I mean?

Hmm. That's actually a very good point.

I'm not either, methinks too many VT claims!

[v] Dice [/v]

Hmm. That makes sense to me.

[unvote]

[v] Addi [/v]

Why so jumpy AJ? You're going through a lot of trouble to make me look bad. I'm not worried, I switched to Addi because I see no problem with pressure on her, and Clov made a good point.

Hallia,

How do you feel about AJ & TG now?

I'm not liking AJ at all.

You can dislike my push on GF all you want, doesn't mean I was wrong.

Uh... considering he's VERY likely to be a Mason here, you were wrong.

I'm still trying to decide whether that was just ignorance or scummy.

Neither. Are you saying scum wouldn't claim not mason, implying that they're VT or Seer? It's also possible some of the masons have lied about what they are right now, to be brought out later.

Hallia, I've already addressed those points.

Stop skimming.

Sassy sassy

Hallia,

How do you feel about AJ & TG now?

I'm not liking AJ at all.

Okay, why? Is this something you have felt all game, or is this a new feeling?

It's started really building this day.

So you think we could possibly be teammates? I'm happy to let her swing.

Aj. He went after Yates, who is one of my def. towns, and his play hasn't been up to par by far.

That's the attitude scum AJ puts forth; my vote is where my mouth is, I'm thinking you and Addi, and my vote is on her. :)

I've most certainly got my reads out there. Yates, and until today Key, were my town reads. I'm rather forced to believe GF now. Addi/Dice were my initial strongest mafia leans, but Key has joined htem. Null you you, I haven't seen enough to have an opinion.

Initially Day 1 or 2, cos Day 1 you talked about AJ/TG and GF?

So what happened to your suspicion of AJ?

What are your opinions on Clov, TG?

Did you miss GF and I are masons?

Hallia · September 28, 2014

I must have missed it.

I've flip-flopped on AJ so much it's not funny.

I don't really have a read on TG.

I'm less suspicious of Clov then the other few who I have as scum.

Andrej · September 28, 2014

Unofficial VC 9

Hallia (5): Dice, TG, Clov, GF, Key

Key (3): Yates, AJ, Hallia

Not Voting: BFG, Addi

DL is ~tonight. (maybe?)

Hallia · September 28, 2014

AJ for MVP Mod? :tongue:

Andrej · September 28, 2014

Oh yeah, 6 to lynch with 10 alive.

Hallia is L-1

:wink:

Hallia · September 28, 2014

; . ;

Still town though.

Andrej · September 28, 2014

I kinda want to believe you.

Andrej · September 28, 2014

Key CFD imo

Hallia · September 28, 2014

As you should,

I have tried to pretty much just get mah feels out this game.

Darthe · September 28, 2014

Deadline is in 2.5 hours. I'm again sincerely sorry about not being around properly this phase but will be taking care of everything properly from this point forward.

AddictByNature · September 28, 2014

[V]Hallia[/V]

Yates · September 28, 2014

Why did you vote Hally, Addi? You realize if she flips Town you look really REALLY bad, right?

Hallia · September 28, 2014

Good luck town! :happy:

Yates · September 28, 2014

If you're Town, I think AJ just showed his true colors. I'm sure I'll be the NK so I'd lynch AJ tomorrow. I'm on the fence wrt Key. Ditto Addi. I'm hoping one of those three are checked out tonight to at least rule out illuminati.

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