[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

 

I noticed. I wanted Arsis to say this. It was an obvious conclusion from looking at his posts in those games; he's been completely off topic here whereas he at least said something about the game in his town games. Someone who truly cared about discerning his alignment should have been all over it.

Tommy, tell me why I don't like this post.

I'm not sure. Too blocky?

You state that it "was an obvious conclusion." But earlier you had been defending TSB saying he was =null and his posts weren't alignment indicative. These don't fit.

In a vacuum it's an obvious conclusion. Someone who really wanted to prove he's scum should have picked up on it because it stuck out to me when I looked at his posts. But there's more to factor in from my perspective: both my own meta knowledge of him as a troll who looks down on other players, particularly players he doesn't know (this being his first game here), and because if you read the Signup thread he's been in full troll mode for several days now.

[Tommyrod]

Tom may I make a request?

No.

[Tyler Glembo]

In a vacuum it's an obvious conclusion. Someone who really wanted to prove he's scum should have picked up on it because it stuck out to me when I looked at his posts. But there's more to factor in from my perspective: both my own meta knowledge of him as a troll who looks down on other players, particularly players he doesn't know (this being his first game here), and because if you read the Signup thread he's been in full troll mode for several days now.

 

 

I don't have any meta on him and since you're not the only one saying this I'll believe it.

[Yates]

That's not a great response by Tommy. Feeling a stronger lean towards Tommy!scum.

[SickPuppets]

Ah whatever. Time for a full re-read. 

[Tommyrod]

God damn I hate when posts vanish as I'm writing them.

 

I was objecting to Arsis calling swag obvious scum when he's pure null to me and also not talking about the game much when there's been a lot going on for a DM D1. I understand Arsis better now. He should just be less stubborn to begin with.

 

Swag could be scum. Maybe Arsis is some kind of scumhunting savant. But I didn't see it personally.

[Tyler Glembo]

verbose

 

Double word bonus for Hally. 

[Tommyrod]

That's not a great response by Tommy. Feeling a stronger lean towards Tommy!scum.

What are you even talking about?

 

Get owned. You suck.

[Yates]

 

In a vacuum it's an obvious conclusion. Someone who really wanted to prove he's scum should have picked up on it because it stuck out to me when I looked at his posts. But there's more to factor in from my perspective: both my own meta knowledge of him as a troll who looks down on other players, particularly players he doesn't know (this being his first game here), and because if you read the Signup thread he's been in full troll mode for several days now.

 

I don't have any meta on him and since you're not the only one saying this I'll believe it.

 

You're HAPPY with that response? He hasn't answered the core tenant of your argument. He's been saying TSB is null null null. Then he posted all that stuff about TSB's Town meta and tried framing the information as though Arsis was scummy for not being the one to point out that TSB is not playing to his Town meta. You'd think Tommy would scratch his head and, I don't know, vote for the guy he just proved is NOT playing to Town meta?

 

To answer your question, Tommy, it's stuff like ^^^THIS^^^ that has me uncomfortable with you and feeling like you are "off."

[Tommyrod]

Maybe you guys just don't know swag so you don't understand. It makes perfect sense to me. He's hard to read. He's gone entire games being a consensus scum read as town because he trolls like a mofo and rarely explains himself. Until he posts something I can actually try to read him off of I'm not voting for him. He's not shy. He's not a lurker. If he's not posting he just hasn't been around.

 

Make sense?

[Tyler Glembo]

You're HAPPY with that response? He hasn't answered the core tenant of your argument. He's been saying TSB is null null null. Then he posted all that stuff about TSB's Town meta and tried framing the information as though Arsis was scummy for not being the one to point out that TSB is not playing to his Town meta. You'd think Tommy would scratch his head and, I don't know, vote for the guy he just proved is NOT playing to Town meta?

 

To answer your question, Tommy, it's stuff like ^^^THIS^^^ that has me uncomfortable with you and feeling like you are "off."

 

 

Tommy's not in my town pile yet, if that is what you're asking, nor does this post help him get there.  But, for TSB specifically, the response fits with what other people have been saying about TSB and his trolling/non-alignment indicative posts. 

[Arsis]

It makes perfect sense for almost everyone but you. It doesn't fit what I think of when I think of tommy.

[Arsis]

I think it's 60/40 scum/man crush.

 

I'd still love a tsb lynch though

[Tommyrod]

I'm kind of shocked that I'm garnering scum leans from people, I'm about as obvious town as I can get without leading a scum lynch D1.

 

Learn to tomread, IMO.

 

I'm gonna sleep now. I asked tress to post when she's home so you guys can try to read her instead of me.

[Tyler Glembo]

Good night ya'll.  Fair warning, I'm traveling for work starting tomorrow through the rest of the week.  Meridian will be holding it down for our hydra.  My posting will be spotty at best, completely absent at worst.

[Yates]

Maybe you guys just don't know swag so you don't understand. It makes perfect sense to me. He's hard to read. He's gone entire games being a consensus scum read as town because he trolls like a mofo and rarely explains himself. Until he posts something I can actually try to read him off of I'm not voting for him. He's not shy. He's not a lurker. If he's not posting he just hasn't been around.

 

Make sense?

I guess. But he has posted, right? And his early game hasn't matched his Town meta, right? I've seen you go after people for less. Cripes you just called me a wet fish for something that is a legit scum tell. I guess the best way I can add to why I'm uncomfortable with you is because of your seemingly random points of focus and treatment of different players.

[Tommyrod]

 

Maybe you guys just don't know swag so you don't understand. It makes perfect sense to me. He's hard to read. He's gone entire games being a consensus scum read as town because he trolls like a mofo and rarely explains himself. Until he posts something I can actually try to read him off of I'm not voting for him. He's not shy. He's not a lurker. If he's not posting he just hasn't been around.

 

Make sense?

I guess. But he has posted, right? And his early game hasn't matched his Town meta, right? I've seen you go after people for less. Cripes you just called me a wet fish for something that is a legit scum tell. I guess the best way I can add to why I'm uncomfortable with you is because of your seemingly random points of focus and treatment of different players.

Am I going full Darthe? I feel like the problem is YOU GUYS, not me.

[Yates]

Am I going full Darthe? I feel like the problem is YOU GUYS, not me.

Okay, real simple, then. Why haven't you constructed a TSB inquisition post yet?

[Andrej]

 

Arsis confirmed ignoring everyone who knows TSB and says his actions are null.

 

You realise this is what he should do right? I know its what im doing to an extent. I notice the opinions of those who know them, but then kinda set it aside to make my own decision.

 

Relying on others reads is dangerous and should be resisted. After all that person may be mafia with the person they are advising on. Obviously if the person is cleared then their opinion carries more  weight but you should still be making up ure own mind

 

This reads pretty villagery to me. I can see where he's coming from. For me personally, I have played in a game with Swag and seen him play in a similar manner as Town. I actually suspected him that game for a little bit but it turned out that's just how he is.

 

 

Not sure how I feel about Ithi's post a page back.

 

I don't think I've ever seen her be... apathetic?

 

Any "apathy" on Ithi's part has nothing to do with the game itself. There is nothing to see there. Move along...

 

You realize that I wouldn't have this information at hand while evaluating her post, right? She's normally rather outspoken, poking and pushing in all sorts of directions. I don't see that here which causes me some alarm. I'll refrain a bit because I'm not personally interested in dabbling into personal affairs, but I'm not going to just disregard it outright because you say so.

 

 

Tommy/Dice scum buddies?

I was just thinking 10 minutes ago that dice's newest post sounds town enough to me that I don't have any interest in lynching him today.

 

You think he's lock scum or something?

 

I agree with you on this point. I already feel pretty good about you in this game, but seeing as how we're noticing the same things just solidifies that.

 

Right now my lynch pool is TG, Despo, Arsis, AJ. 

 

TG as I have gone over and over. Not gonna repeat. The thing about townreading Dice off that one post is interesting tho. 

 

Despo is pushing a bad case (or at least what I think is a bad case since I know I am town) the manner in which he is doing it tho is what leads me to think he is mafia and not just wrong.

 

Arsis: I think he is either using non game play to try to kill someone or is hiding behind using non-game play to try to kill someone. I worry it is more likely the latter. Also the coffee thing is freaking me out. It is reading like some sort of soft claim or something but in a bad way.

 

AJ: He seems to be softly pushing in a lot of places but not really committing to any of them. Plus he is inserting he is town in what I think is an attempt to subliminally implant that idea into the thread. It feels like he is selling something. He also jumped right in behind TG's push at us without adding or even stating he agreed. just a sheep vote. no accountablity. 

 

This is generally how I play on D1 - or at least it's more how I play as of late. I think people sort of associate my town game with aggressiveness, which isn't bad, but I've been able to throttle that in lately with some good results. If I see something I think needs to be addressed, I'll push there, but for the most part I like to comment on things I see and try to develop a big picture of the game early on.

 

Me inserting I am town is pretty null for me, I think. I don't really care if you believe it personally.

 

As far as jumping in on TG's 'push', I would call bullshanks. In the moment I didn't have a lot of time to post so as I was looking over the game briefly between classes I saw Ithi's post and voted her. Tommy likewise voted her shortly after for essentially the same thing. I also explained it later when I had more time.

[Tommyrod]

What is that?

 

I'm just waiting for him to post more. I can't give you anything else until he does. There's nothing for me to work with. He's one of the weirdest players I've ever met. Sometimes he crushes games as town and sometimes he's absolutely trollish and useless. As scum I reckon he would try harder, not less.

[Tommyrod]

I really really need to sleep now. I'm sorry if my reasoning seems weird or unsatisfactory but it's real and I can't explain it any more than I already have. So suck it up.

[Andrej]

 

Right now my lynch pool is TG, Despo, Arsis, AJ. 

 

TG as I have gone over and over. Not gonna repeat. The thing about townreading Dice off that one post is interesting tho. 

 

Despo is pushing a bad case (or at least what I think is a bad case since I know I am town) the manner in which he is doing it tho is what leads me to think he is mafia and not just wrong.

 

Arsis: I think he is either using non game play to try to kill someone or is hiding behind using non-game play to try to kill someone. I worry it is more likely the latter. Also the coffee thing is freaking me out. It is reading like some sort of soft claim or something but in a bad way.

 

AJ: He seems to be softly pushing in a lot of places but not really committing to any of them. Plus he is inserting he is town in what I think is an attempt to subliminally implant that idea into the thread. It feels like he is selling something. He also jumped right in behind TG's push at us without adding or even stating he agreed. just a sheep vote. no accountablity. 

 

+/- that Turin is actually scum and all these people listed here are townies?

[dicetosser1]

Tommy/Dice scum buddies?

 

sorry nah.  also noting i saw this and people may  say I look bad because of it but i cant do anything about that

 

Those behaviors you described from past games are responses to specific situations. I'm not going to do the same exact thing in every game. Darthe and Lenlo last game had posts that were scummy for them. Pralaya in this game has one post and it's scummy for anyone. So I'm gonna push him. I'm not pushing people based on the number of posts they have, I'm pushing them based on the content of those posts. So far Swag hasn't even said anything about this game except to laugh at a vote for him. That's completely null based on my meta understanding of him. I can't pull a town or scum lean out of thin air for you. He needs to post more. The same goes for Krak who has only one non game related post but it's not a scummy post, it's just a null post. Do you understand how some posts can be scummy and some can just be null?

 

Don't think I'm doing anything particularly odd for me anyway. I'm definitely more in my town range than my scum range. By quite a bit actually.

 

Blue  yet those behaviours, like threatening to vig someone  are so ingrained in peoples thinking of you. I cant think of a game I was in where you havent threatened to vig someone for eg.

 

my concern isnt about your "sitting back more" It is about all the effort you went too to dig up those links to defend TSG. THAT is not normal for you. Comes across as hardcore defending someone to me. WHY are you going to all that effort for this player when you would not, and have not, done it in other games for othwer players?

 

 

SOMETHING is off about Tommy this game. That's for sure. I just can't tell if it's because Tommy!scum or new players being involved that have other meta info on him.

What do you think is off about me? What's different from Avengers for example?

 

 

Do you SERIOUSLY want an answer to this?  lets see    no vig threats, much less bullying. much less town leading. much less insulting of people....shall i continue?

 

I have thought that Tommy was acting different because of the newbies as well. But to me that starts to lead me to thinking he may be mafia. I have nothing to point at, no examples, but if he is acting different because of these new players, it occurs to me that it may be because they know him and are able to read him better then the regular DM folks, so he has to be more careful.

[Hallia]

Tommy plays the same on those other sites.

 

I think he's trying to legit not hurt people's feelings.

[Yates]

Tommy plays the same on those other sites.

 

I think he's trying to legit not hurt people's feelings.

Kinder gentler Tommy? Possible.

 

What do you make of him hard defending TSB, though? As Dice pointed out, that is quite out of character for him. Also, he was too lazy to read the thread to answer his question to me - which I had previously answered twice. Do you see how that seems odd? He will go through the effort of hunting down all these TSB posts to try to prove Arsis wrong [or right??] but he won't use the search function in this game? Also, am I crazy or does Tommy find little things like someone not playing to their Town meta and start going after them/interrogating them on it or even making an off the cuff remark like "TSB is not in his Town range" after finding a bunch of posts that aren't in his Town range?

 

You don't have to be mean to do any of those typical Tommy Town Range things. I know you are enamored but even Tommy draws scum now and then.

 

Or are you trying to buddy to try to avoid the scrutiny Tommy!Town would inevitably cause for you if you are scum?

 

Those are my parting thoughts for tonight.