[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

[Tommyrod]

You guys are still wasting time here by NOT READING THE THREAD OR TALKING ABOUT WHO THE SCUM ARE.

[Turin Turambar]

my last is to darthe and ad should be and.

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

 

 

There should be some mafia leans too for symmetry. But I guess he doesn't have any of those. 

 

Yates, do you think we are mafia? 

 

 

Darthe when was the last time you saw Ithi as mafia?

Prob a bit less than a year ago.  Symmetry?  The game is 75% town (generally).  I should have roughly 75% town reads.

 

I've not been Mafia since March 2013 - so this is a lie. This is the WW2 game where there were two mafia teams and I was actively trying to find them.

 

Looked back and I think this is accurate.  Amazingly and utterly useless to point out that I was mistaken about a single bit of information not relevant to this game but interesting that you're more focused on these little things to make an individual look worse than you are in trying to find scum.

 

But it was relevant because you were using that 'little bit of wrong information' to advise everyone on how I play the game when I'm Mafia. As you don't know how I play the game when I'm mafia that means you're actually talking cow poo.

[Ithillian Turambar]

You guys are still wasting time here by NOT READING THE THREAD OR TALKING ABOUT WHO THE SCUM ARE.

Oh shush. You talk enough for everyone.

 

[Arsis]

I'm still waiting for turi or icky to make a case and not post random stuff to distract from the fact that their most likely scum.

[Turin Turambar]

Tommy go back a few pages and see who I think the mafia are. 

 

 

The last by ithi is true also. Drthe was mafia in the MassEffect game and gave that advice to his team in their QT.  

 

She was right about him being mafia there. I am becoming more convinced he is mafia here for pushing a similar agenda. And if he is I think it goes farther to making Krak more likely mafia.

[Turin Turambar]

I'm still waiting for turi or icky to make a case and not post random stuff to distract from the fact that their most likely scum.

You really IS an ARS .

 

plese do not make those sorts of poor nicknames again. 

 

BTW, that kind of behavior adds is just what Darthe advocated.

[Turin Turambar]

is late for Ithi, so you not getting any cases tonight from her. 

 

I am not doing the digging up posts thing cause, well not doing it. I have made my opinions known quite recently 

[Yates]

 

You guys are still wasting time here by NOT READING THE THREAD OR TALKING ABOUT WHO THE SCUM ARE.

Oh shush. You talk enough for everyone.

 

He's right, though. I don't know if it's because you feel like your back is up against the wall or if it's because you are skimming or because Darthe is right about your scum meta and you feel lik you were caught for the wrong reasons. But right now, you aren't making good arguments. That whole thing with Darthe didn't have to be so snarky. All you had to do was ask him for your last scum game - the one he is claiming informs his ability to read Ithi!scum. You simply counter with - but I was one of two factions and therefore still scum hunting. And that's that.

 

Between this and the stuff about not liking being considered null - when you yourself admitted to understanding null reads due to lack of effort/time on your part - you are looking worse for wear right now. I woke up this morning thinking you guys were Town and now it's getting to the point where I'm ready to vote for you.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Name calling and obvious fibbing.

 

What a wonderful game we have here. I'm loving reading Arsis' cases btw.

 

You all have a very good night.

[Darthe]

Ithi Last Scum Game 

[Arsis]

 

 

I'm still waiting for turi or icky to make a case and not post random stuff to distract from the fact that their most likely scum.

You really IS an ARS .

 

plese do not make those sorts of poor nicknames again.

 

BTW, that kind of behavior adds is just what Darthe advocated.

Guilty. I'm crass. Ignore the gameplay part and focus on the distraction. How'd I know you would do that?

 

She made a nickname for me. I was playing along.

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

 

You guys are still wasting time here by NOT READING THE THREAD OR TALKING ABOUT WHO THE SCUM ARE.

Oh shush. You talk enough for everyone.

 

He's right, though. I don't know if it's because you feel like your back is up against the wall or if it's because you are skimming or because Darthe is right about your scum meta and you feel lik you were caught for the wrong reasons. But right now, you aren't making good arguments. That whole thing with Darthe didn't have to be so snarky. All you had to do was ask him for your last scum game - the one he is claiming informs his ability to read Ithi!scum. You simply counter with - but I was one of two factions and therefore still scum hunting. And that's that.

 

Between this and the stuff about not liking being considered null - when you yourself admitted to understanding null reads due to lack of effort/time on your part - you are looking worse for wear right now. I woke up this morning thinking you guys were Town and now it's getting to the point where I'm ready to vote for you.

 

Did you miss where he couldn't name it - or how long ago it was? I'm glad you've decided to consolidate on us because someone else told a lie. That's excellent reasoning. Perhaps we're not going the way you want us to anymore.

 

We really don't mind and it's been an absolute pleasure - but we've only really got one job. Please do go ahead and Lynch us.

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

 

I'm still waiting for turi or icky to make a case and not post random stuff to distract from the fact that their most likely scum.

You really IS an ARS .

 

plese do not make those sorts of poor nicknames again.

 

BTW, that kind of behavior adds is just what Darthe advocated.

 

Guilty. I'm crass. Ignore the gameplay part and focus on the distraction. How'd I know you would do that?

 

She made a nickname for me. I was playing along.

 

I was being a Pirate. Pirate names are cool.

 

You said I was Icky. That's not a nice name - hence you are officially a meany head.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Ithi Last Scum Game 

See ... not less than a year ago. Got to play exactly as I do as Town. Actually I think I even said that everyone should just ignore me because I always gather loads of attention as Town and always tell people what to do - so I just did the same as normal. But yup - almost 2 years since I've been mafia.

 

It's become a bit of a joke really.

[Arsis]

 

 

 

I'm still waiting for turi or icky to make a case and not post random stuff to distract from the fact that their most likely scum.

You really IS an ARS .

 

plese do not make those sorts of poor nicknames again.

 

BTW, that kind of behavior adds is just what Darthe advocated.

Guilty. I'm crass. Ignore the gameplay part and focus on the distraction. How'd I know you would do that?

 

She made a nickname for me. I was playing along.

I was being a Pirate. Pirate names are cool.

 

You said I was Icky. That's not a nice name - hence you are officially a meany head.

I'm sorry. It was all in jest. In my defense it's a good thing in nyc slang.

[Tommyrod]

Your scum list was absurdly sparse on details, Turin. How about this: you guys take the live player list and write thoughts on all of them. Just write down whatever comes to mind for each player. Anything they've done that you've noticed, either good or bad.

[Turin Turambar]

Arsis, it is because I do not like that kind of stuff like ever. So I will stop anything else and respond to it. which is why people like Darthe like to use the tactic because it makes me look bad. And it makes her sad and loses WIM for the game. I don't care. I'm not changing on that point. 

 

Ithi.  it is late. I will go on with this. 

[Arsis]

Nothing they have done today has made me feel better about then.

[Yates]

I'm going to be afk until late tomorrow night at the earliest. Catch up when I return.

[monstrman]

Arsis confirmed meanie head

 

How dare you and whatnot

[hazelkrs1]

Gonna spoiler my catchups since I see there's a lot of activity going on now with peeps. They're small wots tho so worth the read I'd say

 

I think this was page 134 and 135, something like that

 

 

 

1. I can LOCK CLEAR someone for whatever I want. You don't like it? Tough cookie. But those are all legit towntells, and I can easily back them up with posts, and your scumbuddy Turin essentially spewed Arsis as town anyways
2. Let me state my point simpler. You basically said "You can't LOCK CLEAR TG for doing ______" and then said "TG didn't do ______" Those two points don't make sense side by side
3. I def disagree, and furthermore the only people I've seen you use meta are people you have EXTENSIVE experience with, but go ahead and humor me. How is he off his town meta, and give examples from other games, and how is he on his scum meta, again with examples. If you can't reasonably answer both of those, then you're essentially admitting to being scum
4. I was already planning on responding to that post, but spoiler alert is that your justification there is really poor and again, that's not really wagonomics. Wagonomics is more when you have a confirmed scum train and can analyze the countertrain, or have a town train which already has most the people on it confirmed or cleared one way or another. You're just throwing out buzzwords to try and strengthen a weak case
5. The point is he didn't try and overjustify his Vos vote, he didn't parrot what others said, he pretty much said "Despot and Slendy convinced me" which is totally understandable from a town POV, because me and Slendy both made convincing arguments that were both essentially half right (Vos wasn't town). And even while placing the vote, he was still discussing his other scum reads, especially Turin.

1. You can lock clear who you want. I can say they are wrong and provide reasons why, which I did. Those reasons were poor and the reason why it is extremely easy to coast under you
2. I said your reasons were poor and I said I find Arsis scum because of so and so. Where is the contradiction? Those were two separate points
3. I already explained why he is off meta in this post
4. You are narrowing the definition again. Wagonomics is also when a town is lynched (or a 3rd party in this case) and see the context of every vote. This is what is showing Arsis as scum
5. Yeah, and that is a very easy way for scum to jump on a train. Which is one of the ways to look at scumtells. Definitely not a townie PoV. He never talked about vos and then he sees that he had 4 votes and vos had 4 votes and people were talking against vos - perfect way to lose the focus.

 

 

1. The more cheap shots you keep taking at me the more likely it is I will never either be cool with you or be cool with reading your slot as town fyi. Those reasons were NOT poor, and you have YET to make any decent argument WHY they would be. "I did that stuff in another game as scum" is NOT good reasoning

2. You said I shouldn't clear TG for not being opportunistic, then said TG was being opportunistic. Hence, contradiction

3. If you are town then your meta is outdated, and just confirms what I said about you thinking you can use meta after a few games is dumb. Arsis has actually been VERY self-conscious in multiple games lately.

4. No, wagonomics isn't looking at a singular vote and seeing if it's bad. Wagonomics is usual late game voting analysis after other stuff has been cleared up, or when you have a scum lynch and can analyze the countertrain. Saying a vote is bad is NOT wagonomics

5. Again you're not saying HOW it is "definitely not a townie PoV". You're just writing a narrative that fits Arsis as scum, not saying how what he did makes him more likely to be scum. Do you not see how as a townie, he might have legitimately been convinced by me and Slendy's points against Vos? Your refusal to consider this possibility makes me think you're scum trying to fit a narrative to your case

 

In both cases they were talking about stuff that wasn't really that helpful to town. In Arsis' case tho I think he was legit tinfoiling, where imo Yates was obfuscating

I feel like you aren't actually reading my posts for context. Either that or you are wrong about the value of setup spec. While I agree that you can't go into it whole hog, it's nice to have an idea of what we are up against. We do this in every. single. game.

And to instantly contradict myself- it would GREATLY surprise me if the Poisoner was on the scum team. Much more likely to be a Malicious Third Party imo

^^ This is kind of important for solving the game, imo. Not to mention the fact that Tommy's reaction to the poisoner was informing my read on him - therefore, it was important to ME. I just couldn't imagine someone looking at that night result and thinking "poisoner is probably Town or scum." Apparently my mafia experience is different from everyone else in the game so whatever. Still suspect, imo.

There's no "obfuscation" going on in any of my posts, Des. In fact, I feel like I actively curtailed obfuscation [specifically with Arsis] when I advised against spending too much time on NK analysis - which is different from and significantly less helpful than setup spec.

 

 

To the first quote- No, I don't think the setup spec you were going into was particularly helpful for town. If the only way you can think it WAS was to help you read Tommy better, well then it doesn't seem like a very good point to me since Tommy is LOCK CLEAR afaic

 

Second quote- mainly the part I take exception to here is the bolded. You COMPLETELY contradicted yourself on this stance before- saying that we shouldn't spend time analyzing the NK, but then ALSO trying to say AJ might have been killed because he was on the right track or something

 

 

Show me where I have NOT called Yates scum. Ever since my reads on D1, it has been my read.

I'm here now. Can you tell me why I'm scum, Pral? At least Des put some effort into taking my posts out of context and trying to put a scum spin on them. I just see you claiming I'm scum but not actually doing anything about it.

 

 

I could see this both as a wolf/wolf interaction or as town!Yates making a good point. Just kind of speaks to how credible I think Yates can look as scum if he wants.

 

 

In other words, you're both doing exactly what scum would want- chasing at shadows

"Chasing at shadows," huh? Sounds familiar.  

 

 

See now that the other game got restarted you really can't keep acting like I just tunnel on you every game as town- you brought up three examples of me going after you in games, but in TWO of them I was scum with ulterior motives. THIS game I think I have legitimate reason to suspect you, so you trying to brush me off is disconcerting to say the least

 

Ive gotta be honest, I am in a bit over my head in this one. I think Tommy is town but without good reads on Des and Yates and all of the butting heads right now getting good reads from the top down is rough.

 

Aaaaaaand there goes my tentative town read on Darthe

 

 

 

I'm monstrman

Oh wow I didn't know. Tight man!

Early green read for you then

I don't think the cop should view TG. I clearly think we should Lynch him, as that's the only way were gonna get a real true alignment.

Why are you making out like I'm trying to direct the cop? That's just waaaaaaaay out there.

Ithi you're the one who said that people might all walk away from this and let TG off the hook, and that the Cop wouldn't view him. Your words, not mine.

I wasn't trying to fos you for trying to direct the cop, I was just trying to get where you were coming from cause that post made no sense.

Despo clearly misinterpreting Ithi in an unbelievable way (Ithi said the cop - now - wouldn't view (and be able to catch TG) and Des starts talking as if Ithi wanted to tell the cop yo view the miller). This was so incredibly weird back then and still is now. What was that about Des?

 

 

*headdesk*

 

That wasn't what I was saying at all Csarmi, in fact that's exactly what Ithi kept trying to make it seem like I was saying.

 

My point was that she was trying to make it seem like a bad thing that the Cop wouldn't view the Miller claim, that TG was "getting away with it", but this is silly since a Cop should NEVER view a miller claim regardless, but the cop not viewing them doesn't help them "get away" with anything

 

 

LOL @ the wilves trying to posture to save their lives



Hey Turin. Imma get you lynched. And you're scum. I'm already basking in the preglow of it, and being so right about you so early on.



How do you feel about that?

You may get me lynched but you will have tea on your face when I flip town.

Your problem if you are not just faking as mafia is that you can't let yourself be wrong so you will spin anything to fit your view. Which is a mafia trait and one reason you will nearly always look mafia to me.

Question: what happens to your great #solve when I flip town? Who suddenly looks worse? Who suddenly looks better?

 

 

IF you in fact happen to flip town I would agree with you that Krak looks suspicious for the way he has bandwagoned my case on you. Not sure who looks better, since people defending you could just be white knighting. I guess Halligeddon would look slightly better but I already have them as LOCK CLEAR. So /shrug

 

Still think you're scum altho Ithi finally posted a townie-looking post for yalls slot

 

Tommy if Turin is town who are mafia? If mafia who are teammates?

 

Blech

 

Ping for trying to latch on to Turin's point in a lazy manner. Add Darthe to the pile of people who would look worse with a Turin town flip (as I think he is soft WKing here) or really Darthe looks scummy here no matter how TI flips

 

Hi. I'm getting things sorted and have a bit of time. Turin is driving all over the country again and so is very haphazard with his postings also. Sorry.

We are Town. We are a nice cup of English Breakfast tea. It's been bastardised in one of those one cup machine thingies, because apparently just putting a tea bag in a mug is too much like hard work. Anyways tea is the drink of choice because coffee is too much.

And we are Town.

I'm sorry I've not been able to follow along as I had to unfollow incase I missed an important email. Turin may be going after Despot, but that's just what they do. Despot has been posting his random WoTs and quoting everything he can to back up what he thinks. He has conviction I think and isn't being the laid back concise poster I saw when he was last mafia.

So I feel it is to the benefit of the Town that I make this post, because I don't want folks to say he did this on purpose. I think he believes we are mafia. We aren't.

I would suggest that when our Towniness is confirmed you look at those who followed Despo. Did they make their own arguments or did they just follow on? Who felt it was the most reasonable argument?

I'm sorry but I can't remember all the new people's names and so the stuff they say is all jumbled. I honestly thought this was going to be a nice basic game with lots of people I knew. That would have been a lot nicer as my first game back in a while.

Things have calmed down a bit and I'll have a bit more time this evening. I'll be out most of tomorrow signing paperwork and stuff.

 

This was the first townie-looking post from TI in a while. Will see how Ithi and Turin act now that Ithi is active again

 

Okay, I'm finally caught up.  Again, the decision to take out Vos D1 with so few posts was terribad.  You should all be ashamed of yourselves.  Like accidentally peeing your pants in kindergarten at recess ashamed.

 

I'll respond to some random pulled quotes then I'm going to the gym.  TL;DR is [v]Darthe[/v][v]SP[/v][v]TSB[/v][v]TI[/v]

 

[unvote][v]Darthe[/v]  Legit lock scum here.

 

Top scum reads and they should all be red in everyone's book.  Other people who aren't out of teh cave are manbat (lost his WiM), Tommy (gives me a case of the slimey's even amidst towntelling), dice (too little and too little impact).

 

Top Green Player ITT is DESPO

Everyone should just sheep him to V.

 

Stop being such a derptard about the Vos lynch dude. HE got HIMSELF lynched with a terribad post about you being town but how we should lynch you anyways, you trying to shame town for that lynch is such crap, crap, crap.

 

Also hilarious that you tell everyone to sheep me considering everyone WAS kinda sheeping me with the Vos thing

 

 

You're still LOCK CLEAR btw, just I guess out of touch, and trying to supplant bravado to make up for your lack of context. Also think you might be right on Darthe.

 

[Tommyrod]

Des, as of this exact moment I'm confident enough on Darthe being town that I'd be willing to go all-in on that hand and lose the game right now if I was wrong. I have the same confidence of him being town as I do for you.

[hazelkrs1]

Blech. Arguments on this page are bleurghy

 

Turin do you still think I'm scum?

[hazelkrs1]

Des, as of this exact moment I'm confident enough on Darthe being town that I'd be willing to go all-in on that hand and lose the game right now if I was wrong. I have the same confidence of him being town as I do for you.

 

/shrug

 

*playing cards close to chest*