[Advanced] Woodstock 1969 Mafia - Town wins

[hazelkrs1]

Also looks like I'm about to lose my FF matchup even tho almost all of my players did well

 

 

Freaking Megatron on MNF

 

[Tommyrod]

Yeah this game is doomed. Good luck town.

[Yates]

DL is in about an hour I believe.

 

I'll be around and will hammer if he doesn't come back before then.

 

For now I'll page back and read up again.

Hammer isn't necessary? It's a hybrid hammer game.

 

Unless you were wanting to vote him, of course.

[dicetosser1]

whats MNF???

[Tommyrod]

whats MNF???

MegaNastyFootball. It's a football fetishist site.

[Andrej]

 

DL is in about an hour I believe.

 

I'll be around and will hammer if he doesn't come back before then.

 

For now I'll page back and read up again.

Hammer isn't necessary? It's a hybrid hammer game.

 

Unless you were wanting to vote him, of course.

 

I realize that.

 

Doesn't mean I'm just gonna leave my vote wasted elsewhere since a hammer isn't technically needed.

 

Get my stance on the books, slankers

[Andrej]

That brings me back to another question I had for you Kates - who would you rather be lynching right now?

 

I see a bunch of questioning and such, but not a ton of personal opinions except for on Hallia.

 

There's another quote that I'll address in my WoT here in a sec.

[dicetosser1]

thanks tom

[Hallia]

Spot on there AJ

[Tommyrod]

[unvote]

[Yates]

I'm trying to figure that out myself re: who I want to vote for. Rereading and such.

 

Re: questioning, yep, trying to figure things out. Re: personal opinions, I feel like I've given several. Specifically on you, Hallia, and Len. Also on why I thought lynching darthe was a terrible idea.

[Yates]

Spot on there AJ

And where are your thoughts Hally? There's a lot of parroting from you and very little of your own opinion.

 

I'd still like to know why you are voting Len.

[Yates]

I realize that.

 

Doesn't mean I'm just gonna leave my vote wasted elsewhere since a hammer isn't technically needed.

 

Get my stance on the books, slankers

How would your vote be wasted if it's elsewhere?

[Andrej]

 

I don't necessarily think Darthe's post number is relevant to his alignment or makes him a bad lynch.

 

IT'S WHAT HE POSTED WHEN HE DID AND HAS NOT CONTRIBUTED SINCE.

 

Anyway - Key I'm going to basically handle you as suspect until proven innocent because I feel like of all players this game, you'd be able to keep up that front to get you to end game. If anything, I think it kind of speaks to your ability to play well.

 

Your point on Krak is kinda meh. Obviously you wouldn't know how he would post in the future, but that's kind of the point. As the game progresses I look back for things like that. It goes in hand with doing wagon analysis after flips, etc.

AJ - so his ridiculous posts at the very beginning of the game where he has little to no interaction with anyone really do it that much for you? I get that the fact that he hasn't posted since could make you annoyed, but how does that have anything to do with the game? It is speculation at best. When we have PLENTY of other information to go on from today, why choose something SO TINY to focus on? Maybe he was annoyed still at the Avengers game and getting attacked after it. Maybe he wasn't. It shows NOTHING about his alignment this game, so what does that get us if we lynch him today?

 

I'm actually pretty concerned why you're taking such a hard stance FOR Darthe in this situation. Is there something that I missed that should make you think that he shouldn't be lynched?

 

You're downplaying any kind of suspicion on him, which I think is kinda bad. Looks a bit like TMI or w/w posturing by throwing mud at those who are suspect of him for how he posted.

 

To me, his response to Tom's vote looked forced. Like he was trying to downplay it by referring to a past game without really questioning Tom on it whatsoever. Looked a bit to me like he might've been aware that Tom was already town and therefore didn't want to get into it with him.

 

Also re: INFO - I get where this comes from but it's sort of a simple way to sound protown imo. In a way, this establishes precedent for people to just vanish when they catch heat and if they're forgotten about then they survive because townies tend to lose focus.

 

 

I really disliked Darthe's OP and the sarcastic tone he took. He immediately opened defensively (not a scumtell in itself) but in a non-serious manner and posted some other fluff before disappearing from the thread completely. Kind of puts me on edge.

 

Do you think it's scummy that Darthe posted in the beginning of the game and hasn't been around since? If so, why?

 

As far as Darthe coming out on edge with a "sarcastic tone," I'm ascribing null value to it. He took the lion's share of blame and hate for the Town loss in Avengers. Some of that seems to have carried over. Do you disagree that this situation is likely to shape his posts regardless of alignment?

 

I'm out to my MNF party. Key has the controls for the rest of the day.

 

/Yates

 

re AFK tells: Not necessarily. However, HOW he posted and then the added absence certainly didn't give me good vibes.

 

re Tone: Agree to disagree. Sure, it's possible this has some affect on him but I'm not going to invest a ton of value into it purely because that would be a huge assumption. I think the interaction looks a bit forced. Darthe read as taken off guard by Tom being ~aggressive out the gate with him and responded in a jokey manner to possibly diffuse the tension. This would fit imo with Darthe knowing Tom was town and wanting to avoid conflict out of the gate.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]AJ[/v]

 

HEY AJ WHAT'S UP YOU WANNA FIGHT

 

Negro please.

 

I'd nom him

 

Yeah you would

 

One thing AJ: you said you were gonna read TG in ISO because you were unsure of him but AFAICT that never happened.

 

Would you lynch TG today?

 

No. I did follow this up, although I didn't make some big catchy WoT with flashy signs and stuff. After reading through him I questioned him his early locktown reads on you and Hallia, and mentioned that his early association tell business with Des/Dice was a bit troublesome too.

[Andrej]

 

I realize that.

 

Doesn't mean I'm just gonna leave my vote wasted elsewhere since a hammer isn't technically needed.

 

Get my stance on the books, slankers

How would your vote be wasted if it's elsewhere?

 

Basically if there's a lynch I want to be on it. I want my vote to be accountable.

 

No cheap cop out excuse that a hammer vote wasn't needed.

[Andrej]

Someone give me a brief overview.  Also based on this pages alone [v] bfg [/v]

 

THIS is a better post.

 

I want to reread BFG as well, not sure that I like her vote on Len.

[Andrej]

Is no one bothered how many people chirped in about not lynching Darthe and yet Lenlo is getting run up instead when they're both ~guilty of relatively the same thing?

[Yates]

Regardless of how you feel about that person? That doesn't make sense to me. The whole point is to vote for who you think is scum, not to just be on a lynch.

[Tommyrod]

Is no one bothered how many people chirped in about not lynching Darthe and yet Lenlo is getting run up instead when they're both ~guilty of relatively the same thing?

Didn't they both have palpable resistance?

[Andrej]

Obviously things vary game to game - but most important for Town is securing a lynch. I know in this case my vote isn't even needed, but still.

 

It's better than the 'I thought Len was Town, so I voted [other player] instead.' cop out sorta thing if he does actually flip town here. Cheap way to keep your hands clean, potentially.

[Tommyrod]

Who wants to CFD onto a random wagon

[Andrej]

 

Is no one bothered how many people chirped in about not lynching Darthe and yet Lenlo is getting run up instead when they're both ~guilty of relatively the same thing?

Didn't they both have palpable resistance?

 

Len went from 3-4 votes to L-1 in no time.

 

You changed. Vos jumped on after some prodding. Krak and Hallia. Then lastly BFG and Des.

[Andrej]

Nah, I say we lynch Len. If he isn't gonna stick around and play then whatever, let him eat rope.

 

At least it's a flip on the books and then we can do some wagonomics to give direction D2.

[Tommyrod]

Yeah but only Arsis was really excited to lynch Lenlo before about 6 hours ago. Thane kinda was. I think

[Yates]

 

 

I don't necessarily think Darthe's post number is relevant to his alignment or makes him a bad lynch.

 

IT'S WHAT HE POSTED WHEN HE DID AND HAS NOT CONTRIBUTED SINCE.

 

Anyway - Key I'm going to basically handle you as suspect until proven innocent because I feel like of all players this game, you'd be able to keep up that front to get you to end game. If anything, I think it kind of speaks to your ability to play well.

 

Your point on Krak is kinda meh. Obviously you wouldn't know how he would post in the future, but that's kind of the point. As the game progresses I look back for things like that. It goes in hand with doing wagon analysis after flips, etc.

AJ - so his ridiculous posts at the very beginning of the game where he has little to no interaction with anyone really do it that much for you? I get that the fact that he hasn't posted since could make you annoyed, but how does that have anything to do with the game? It is speculation at best. When we have PLENTY of other information to go on from today, why choose something SO TINY to focus on? Maybe he was annoyed still at the Avengers game and getting attacked after it. Maybe he wasn't. It shows NOTHING about his alignment this game, so what does that get us if we lynch him today?

 

 

I'm actually pretty concerned why you're taking such a hard stance FOR Darthe in this situation. Is there something that I missed that should make you think that he shouldn't be lynched?

 

You're downplaying any kind of suspicion on him, which I think is kinda bad. Looks a bit like TMI or w/w posturing by throwing mud at those who are suspect of him for how he posted.

 

To me, his response to Tom's vote looked forced. Like he was trying to downplay it by referring to a past game without really questioning Tom on it whatsoever. Looked a bit to me like he might've been aware that Tom was already town and therefore didn't want to get into it with him.

 

Also re: INFO - I get where this comes from but it's sort of a simple way to sound protown imo. In a way, this establishes precedent for people to just vanish when they catch heat and if they're forgotten about then they survive because townies tend to lose focus.

 

Because it doesn't make sense to me that people would try to lynch someone who has only have a tiny number of posts at the beginning of the game. Like, what are you expecting to get out of it? I also don't think that what he said was at all alignment indicative.

 

Re: downplaying any suspicion - it's my opinion that there is not a reason to be looking into him for a couple posts at the beginning of the game. How else should I then look at others who I think are digging into it way more than necessary? It looks like a cheap, easy way to get attention off themselves and to lynch someone who isn't around.

 

As for TMI/throwing mud - how am I supposed to defend against those? These can literally be used as an argument against anyone. How you think of someone is going to color your view of what they are saying. Any townie that defends someone could easily have the "TMI" suspicion over them if the person they are defending flips town. Any townie who defends someone who then turns up scum is going to look scummy and look like they were trying to "throw mud" or cast suspicion on others.

 

Your last point - well, it's in town's best interest to have more info. How else does one suggest that but to have it look protown? Giving me a rock and a hard place with that one.

 

As far as precedent - not the same situation. Anyone else will have posted more and been involved more in the game, meaning there is still something to go on as far as their posts. Them slipping away will looking damning itself. My whole point with darthe was that it was at the very beginning of the game with little interaction. There was little heat, little discussion, little involvement.