[Advanced] Avengers - Age of Ultron (GAME OVER!)

[Arsis]

Anyone got any good results? Any tracking/cop/watcher results?

[Arsis]

Nol, how were your night actions?

 

 

Jk, I blocked dawn.

[Nolder]

Nol, how were your night actions?

 

 

Jk, I blocked dawn.

Dice and X are sitting in jail currently.

 

[RandA lThor]

 

Or if not Des, Rags?

Hoof quoted two pms loki and dr. Strange. Why are you asking about that like it makes a difference? It doesn't.

 

I wanted to see if he had a power that he could confirm himself with.

 

Multiple mafia teams or is hoof/Yates mafia and are trying to lie? They could have gotten dawn's info from Hallia.

I seriously doubt that they were lying.  First of all Mynd put names on the scum team.(signifies more than one), and there have been Crimson Cowl hints throughout the scenes.  So unless Mynd gave a mafia team a fake claim of another mafia team and then hinted in that with his scenes, then there's likely two mafia teams.  The lack of multiple kills is interesting though.

 

On the Hallia kill - The day 1 lynch is extremely interesting.  2 of the scum there were third party so she would have no idea whether or not they were scum or not.  But, seeing that Tina, who we know was town, had the same results, so Hally's were accurate, we have two options left.

 

1. Hally got really lucky as scum.  I can envision the scum reaction on a QT, "Holy crap, lol Hally nice guesswork, you actually got it right!".

 

2. Hally was town, and she wasn't lying about her abilities.  However, her coroner was changed by a mafia role.  This fits with a lot of the facts we have right now.  First of all, in a game with probably 2 different mafia teams, the only kill is one of the mafia?  Its possible due to the 2 mafia teams, but less likely than a townie dying.  Secondly, the only information we get in the scene is something about Loki, which has absolutely nothing to do with a Red Skull mafia team.  It looks like someone used the God of Illusions to create an illusion.  Third, it would mean Hally wasn't guessing with her train results which matched up exactly to the correct ones.  Fourth, it would make sense if the first mafia kill was one of the sensors, and the secnod mafia kill was the other sensor.

 

Basically, what I'm saying is don't take it for granted that Hally was scum and we got one.  We certainly can't trust her results anymore, but we also can't trust that we got one mafia in the bag now.

 

Also, since Hoof claimed Loki, this could be one of the effects of him dying if he wasn't actually town.  However, to help us figure out more stuff about Hoof

 

Hoof, please vote and unvote someone so that we know you're still here.

 

People to get today:

 

Dawn if you're afraid of recruiting.  Or we can continue having her blocked.  Not my top choice.

 

Dice because he was revealed as scum.  Possible, we could test out Hoof's results accuracy and get a hint on Hally's alignment as well.  Pretty good choice imo.

 

AJ, because of some hammer/leader power?  Definitely not the best choice imo, if we want to investigate third party, then Dawn is the right lynch, AJ's just too weird.

 

Des because he was revealed as Yates to be mafia.  Possible, we could see if Yates' information is accurate and if not we could either say Yates is scum or there is a role which can manipulate Yates' information, both of which would be useful information.  Also a pretty good choice imo.

 

X because he cleared Des and if Tina's information was correct and Hally's was correct (very questionable now) then he is confirmed scum.  OK choice mainly because of his gs testing thing, but I guess we do get some info.

 

I personally would advocate a Des or Dice lynch, leaning more towards Dice.  [v]Dice[/v]

 

Also just realized this and don't want to change this, replace Des with Rags in everything I just said.

[RandA lThor]

BTW I protected Hally last night assuming her a sensor so that kill was a strongman.

Even more interesting.  If its a 1-shot ability, then thats good, if its not, can that get past mirrors as well?

 

 

 

[v] vote dawn[/v]

I would be good with this or Dice.

 

I got Dice.

 

 

It worked!!!! Thx Uatu, lol.

[RandA lThor]

Also, have people gotten back night results yet?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Vote Dawn

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

INFO:

 

Tommy silenced...we can all breathe a sigh of relief.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

[v] vote dawn[/v]

I would be good with this or Dice.

 

 

Thought you had the goods on Des?

[Arsis]

 

 

 

 

[v] vote dawn[/v]

I would be good with this or Dice.

Thought you had the goods on Des?

Yates is scum.

[keyholder21]

2. Hally was town, and she wasn't lying about her abilities.  However, her coroner was changed by a mafia role.  This fits with a lot of the facts we have right now.  First of all, in a game with probably 2 different mafia teams, the only kill is one of the mafia?  Its possible due to the 2 mafia teams, but less likely than a townie dying.  Secondly, the only information we get in the scene is something about Loki, which has absolutely nothing to do with a Red Skull mafia team.  It looks like someone used the God of Illusions to create an illusion.  Third, it would mean Hally wasn't guessing with her train results which matched up exactly to the correct ones.  Fourth, it would make sense if the first mafia kill was one of the sensors, and the secnod mafia kill was the other sensor.

 

Basically, what I'm saying is don't take it for granted that Hally was scum and we got one.  We certainly can't trust her results anymore, but we also can't trust that we got one mafia in the bag now.

Bold - I don't think this would EVER happen in a non-bastard game. It would be completely bastard for town to think that there is one mafia down when there really isn't.

 

Regarding the scene: It has been several times (including by the Mod himself) that we shouldn't read into the scenes, so the face that scene didn't say "Red Skull mafia" in it has absolutely nothing to do with Hallia or her alignment.

 

With a Role Madness game such as this, it makes sense to me that a mafia team would have a sensor that can find other anti-town means, while ignoring that team's members. Makes a lot more sense, imo, than a role that would change the alignment that is revealed at death.

 

I don't agree with your reasoning for wanting Hoof to appear (re: Hally's alignment changed due to him being Loki), but I do think it's a good idea to have him post, if he is around. Though since either way (Loki or Strange), he could be here today it's less telling. I suppose what he does can possibly help glean insight into his state.

[keyholder21]

Yates is scum.

You know this?

[Arsis]

 

Yates is scum.

You know this?

...

 

 

Sure, I'm going to flase claim a cop view on him. 100%. Without a doubt. Lockscum!

 

 

...

[Songstress]

 

 

Now stop getting jiggy with AJ's Wine. I told you all that Tommy wouldn't die.

 

Plus, TOMMY IS CLEARED BY ME, since he is now my employer...

I have no doubt you'd tell us that even if he wasn't town, for the record.

 

 

True... but just because I get to PICK my team, my results are suspect??

 

 

When you think about it, pretty much.

[Songstress]

 

Nol, how were your night actions?

 

 

Jk, I blocked dawn.

Dice and X are sitting in jail currently.

 

 

 

My but you look proud of yourself.

 

Oh, that's not you?  Carry on.

[Songstress]

 

 

Or if not Des, Rags?

Hoof quoted two pms loki and dr. Strange. Why are you asking about that like it makes a difference? It doesn't.

 

I wanted to see if he had a power that he could confirm himself with.

 

Des claimed he had a mad scientist role that was pretty much exactly like the role he gave Mynd in his own game - he posted the role PM here. He said he was able to target a dead player at night and create an invention based on that person's role, which he could then give to someone else with a 33% chance of killing them. Assuming that wasn't a complete fabrication, he wouldn't have had any dead people to target N1, so Rags would have had to wait until N2 to target someone and create said invention. His other power he said was a lynch leader ability, and he hasn't had the chance to prove that.

 

 

 

Multiple mafia teams or is hoof/Yates mafia and are trying to lie? They could have gotten dawn's info from Hallia.

I seriously doubt that they were lying.  First of all Mynd put names on the scum team.(signifies more than one), and there have been Crimson Cowl hints throughout the scenes.  So unless Mynd gave a mafia team a fake claim of another mafia team and then hinted in that with his scenes, then there's likely two mafia teams.  The lack of multiple kills is interesting though.

 

On the Hallia kill - The day 1 lynch is extremely interesting.  2 of the scum there were third party so she would have no idea whether or not they were scum or not.  But, seeing that Tina, who we know was town, had the same results, so Hally's were accurate, we have two options left.

 

1. Hally got really lucky as scum.  I can envision the scum reaction on a QT, "Holy crap, lol Hally nice guesswork, you actually got it right!".

 

2. Hally was town, and she wasn't lying about her abilities.  However, her coroner was changed by a mafia role.  This fits with a lot of the facts we have right now.  First of all, in a game with probably 2 different mafia teams, the only kill is one of the mafia?  Its possible due to the 2 mafia teams, but less likely than a townie dying.  Secondly, the only information we get in the scene is something about Loki, which has absolutely nothing to do with a Red Skull mafia team.  It looks like someone used the God of Illusions to create an illusion.  Third, it would mean Hally wasn't guessing with her train results which matched up exactly to the correct ones.  Fourth, it would make sense if the first mafia kill was one of the sensors, and the secnod mafia kill was the other sensor.

 

Basically, what I'm saying is don't take it for granted that Hally was scum and we got one.  We certainly can't trust her results anymore, but we also can't trust that we got one mafia in the bag now.

 

Or 3) part of Hallia's role as mafia stalker gave her actual sensor results - she said she was given the number of heroes on the lynch, which would then have allowed her team to figure out how many anti-town aside from their team were on the lynch, yes? That power would be not completely useless for mafia. And since Tina backed her results up, it's most likely Hallia's team killed Tina N1 figuring she was either town or on the opposing team. Looks like alternating night kills between the two mafia teams. D2 sensor results are obviously worthless.

 

[Yates]

I still think Hoof is scum and the dice thing was his scum power.

How do you explain his result just happening to align with one I received on another player? I don't think he would just "out" his own team. Also, the information was pretty specific.

[Yates]

Also, since Hoof claimed Loki, this could be one of the effects of him dying if he wasn't actually town.

 

This... is actually a good point and would be a pretty cool mechanic.  What if Hoof actually *was* Loki and all investigation results were flipped as a result of his lynch?  Except I know how insane cops work but to get a random bad guy role name?

 

Yeah.  Dawn is the way to go today.  I can recheck my results tonight.

[Yates]

Also, have people gotten back night results yet?

Yeah I posted mine last night.  Des/Rag is Baron Zemo - Crimson Cowl.

[Yates]

 

 

[v] vote dawn[/v]

I would be good with this or Dice.

 

 

Thought you had the goods on Des?

 

I did but Dice is a roleblocker.  I don't know what Des is.  So my thought at the time is to get rid of the Devil you know.  

 

That said, I'm also reconsidering following the above speculation on Loki.  We know my info on Dawn is good at least since it came prior to any potential Loki kill shens.

[Arsis]

[v]Yates [/v]

[Yates]

[v]Yates [/v]

Well that's a dumb vote.

[nervositee]

 

 

Yates is scum.

You know this?

...

 

 

Sure, I'm going to flase claim a cop view on him. 100%. Without a doubt. Lockscum!

 

 

...

 

 

So you're the town cop?

[Songstress]

 

 

 

Yates is scum.

You know this?

...

 

 

Sure, I'm going to flase claim a cop view on him. 100%. Without a doubt. Lockscum!

 

 

...

 

 

So you're the town cop?

 

 

*whispers* Pretty sure that was sarcasm.

[Arsis]

 

 

[v]Yates [/v]

Well that's a dumb vote.

You were on Hallia's team. You faked results. You have nothing past day 1. Too much Peacocking "who else caught scum blah blah blah." people who try to clear themselves in every post seem scummy to me.