[Basic]TRON Mafia Game-Day 4

[Tyler Glembo]

BFG gonna analyse.

I'm done for the day. Vote will prolly be back on Darthe even without a cc but I trust her judgement.

 

Stances everybody. Nyn, full reads please. And stop voting. This is hybrid hammer and we got time.

 

@Nyb - why you think a 1-1 trade good for town here?

 

The problem with the whole discussion you're having right now is it never goes anywhere.  You've done exactly this in multiple games CS, has it ever been beneficial before?  It ends up being a waste while people endlessly and futilely debate the cop issue and the rest of the game doesn't actually advance.

[Clovdyx]

 

A few quick thoughts.

 

1. It makes perfect sense for Vos to keep his vote on his strongest scum read (and not move to the other trains). The random part doesn't.
2. I agree with Clov that (con)solidating by itself is null there. To reference his question: I've made it very clear who I would prefer not to lynch (and why) before going to sleep. I'm pretty sure it was also clear whom I'd like to lynch. I was kind of hoping that I'd wake up to some movements and/or BFG having time to finalize (she didn't). As for why not build a better case on Darthe - I'm not a casing type, and also I was physically incapable of doing that during the morning (I was at work and feeling wrecked).

 

 

So instead of actually building an argument for somebody, you're just going to say "hey guys, this guy's probably mafia" and hope that we listen to you and ignore the other lynches going on?

 

No, that's not weird.

 

Dear Mafia,

 

Thanks for clearing that up for us,

 

Truly Yours,

 

Team BFCS

 

Wat.

[v]Mynd[/v]

 

I've moved from you just trolling me to you being scum.  Your reads so far in regards to Lenlo and Vos have been either wrong or scum motivated.  Your trolling of me is off the charts and I know I'm town.  So you're 0/3 on reads so far which makes you >rand to be scum.

 

Other scum candidates are Rand based of Vos death and both Tommy and DT from yesterday.

 

TG - Help me understand the conclusion he has a higher likeliness to be scum.  You're absolutely right that he's started 0/2 on his reads.  Plausible.  He did say earlier that the game was full of people that were hard to read (possible out for having reads he knew were incorrect?).  There's a chance he's 0/3, based on your alignment.  You're probably my strongest town read right now so Mynd is probably 0/3...but I'm not sure why you think that means he's more likely to be scum than bad town.  Do you think mafia!Mynd would leave a teammate or two off his suspects to go all-in on mislynches?

 

Some more questions before I go get lunch.   Eat my floppy drive, you MCP wide-nostriled rainbow conehead!

 

 

 

Looks like a digital drag queen. Anyways....

 

 

Darthe - I noticed some soft foses on him, but I think only one person ever voted him.

 

Vos - Vos and I had a little fight in the beginning, but after that, no one has really FoSed Vos that I know.  If he's mafia, he played it well, getting attention off of him before the lynch trains started, small as they were.  However, he didn't really seem to want to get rid of the attention, so he still looks somewhat good.

 

Clov - Clov really hasn't done as much to get out there as others have.  Seems town, but hasn't put out strong polarizing opinions, could be mafia.

 

Nynlia - I understand that they're both busy, but again, the fact that they haven't done anything outstanding in terms of opinions, where they have ones that stand out against the general game flow, is not related to the amount that they post.  Plus I don't get why a bunch of people meta clear them since I'm not really too good with meta clear.

So if we look at the people who haven't been getting a lot of attention and haven't risked getting a lot of scummy attention, then we are left with Darthe/Clov/Nynlia.

 

 

 

@Rand - you acknowledged your little tiff with Vos in the beginning.  Are you one to hold grudges? You voted me out the gate for a previous game derp.  You also soft him as town in you reads.  If you were scum, it would make sense to whack someone you felt was looking good. 

 

Also, between Darthe/Clov/Nynlia, who would you lynch today if you could based on what they have done so far and why?

 

 

 

 

I was hoping for more suspiciousness here, but no one else did anything.  Salami and Notbob's vote on Lenlo can be argued and dismissed as self-preservation, as NB even says as much.  I moved from TG to Lenlo because he was my #2 and I felt the most confident of the three mini-trains that he would flip scum. 

 

I'm curious as to why your vote remained squarely on Clov since it was clear that train was not leaving the station.

 

 

Why was it clear? There was loads of time till the deadline when I placed my vote on Clov. And I wasn't around when the deadline hit.

 

Clov is currently at the top of my scum list. I would have settled for DT too but since everyone is being so accommodating to newbies lately, I decided it wasn't worth the argument. There are a couple of other people that were wary about Clov, like TG. Was hoping they'd switch to him. Since there was no train with an abundance of votes, I was hopeful. 

 

 

 

@Nyn - If I read this correctly, your top three scum reads are Clov/DT/TG correct?  Which of those three would you lynch today based on your reads up to this point and why?

 

 

 

 

 

 

UnOfficial Vote Count-Day 1

 

BFcsarmi: 2 - Darthe, Vos

TG: 1 - Mynd

RandA lThor: 1 - Lenlo

Lenlo: 2 - Drunk Tank, RandA lThor

Tommy: 1 NotBob

Clov: 1 - NynLia

NotBob: 2 - Clov, Tommy

Darthe: 1 - BFcsarmi

 

Not Voting: 1 - TG

 

12 Alive, takes 7 to Lynch

Time to consolidate our trains.  TG not having a vote on anyone this close to deadline bothers me.

 

You work very hard. Thank you.

@Drunk Tank - if you could lynch anyone currently listed above besides Lenlo today, who would it be and why?

 

Oh shit. 2 hours til' deadline. Never seen such a spread out VC on day 1 2 hours before deadline. I guess it's one of the things with the hybrid hammer set-up.

 

Not really stoked about letting random.org decide who dies, but I'm not really sold on neither Lenlo nor NotBob.

 

Pretty comfortable leaving my vote where it is for now, especially since BFG is still MIA and Csarmi seems to be doing damage control more than scum hunting. 

I don't like this post at all.  I would expect this post from Lenlo but not Vos. He starts out with how shocked and panic'd he is about having only 2 hours until deadline.  He stresses how he doesn't want the lynch to go to random; however, he refuses to unvote BeefArmi because one is missing and the other "seems" to be doing damage control.   So basically, he doesn't wanna change his vote to keep the lynch going random because Lenlo and NotBob "might" be town, but Beef Armi "might" be scum. 

 

How can you be that sold on one player being scum enough to risk the random lynch? I don't like this and it stinks.

 

Actually, I wouldn't mind so much if random.org decided who went today based on how hard everyone has been to read in this game; however, we need the vote count info to go forward. 

 

 

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

Most confident there.

BeefArmi is either towniegood or bumped their collective head.   Why would one of the three possible random.org lynches place his/their vote on Darthe, bringing him to one vote?  He could have easily moved his vote to Lenlo or NotBob, which would have moved either one of them into the lead lynch. 

 

Unless, of course, the scum team is Lenlo/NotBob/BeefArmi.....but that would be too cray-cray, right?

 

 

 

Mynd - I like the thought process you're showing here with your analysis, though I think you're slightly misrepresenting what Vos said about Lenlo and NB.  He said that he's not sold on either of them - I think this gives a higher level of trust than 'they "might" be town'.  I want to draw extra attention to the fact that Vos was essentially letting it go random, even though the people that it would be randed between were the two he wasn't willing to lynch. 

 

 

 

@Clov - Why do you believe the mafia chose Vos?  Do you think Vos keeping his vote on BeefArmi had anything to do with it?

 

Also, what are your thoughts on both Rand and Nynlia placing you at the top of their mafia scum list?

 

1st - Without looking at his reads lists, probably because he was vocal and seemed mostly townread.  I know it wasn't universal, but I don't remember too many people going against him.  His vote on BFG/Csarmi probably wasn't why he was chosen.  Maybe the suspicion on them, but I doubt they'd shoot him just because he actually voted them on D1.  How about you?

 

2nd - I don't think Rand did?  I already stated my issues with Nyn's argument 

[Tyler Glembo]

I'll go find it, but really no reaction to the cop claim and guilty report?

 

Is that to me?

[csarmi]

You kidding Rand? Darthe seemed to be a likely lynch happening. He was leading votes too.

 

Darthe um can we get analysis and gameplay and such?

[csarmi]

@Clov that wain rush hour already.

 

BTw I was incapacitated that day. Let's just stay that I spent most of that time in a rather small room.

[csarmi]

* was in

[Tyler Glembo]

TG - Help me understand the conclusion he has a higher likeliness to be scum.  You're absolutely right that he's started 0/2 on his reads.  Plausible.  He did say earlier that the game was full of people that were hard to read (possible out for having reads he knew were incorrect?).  There's a chance he's 0/3, based on your alignment.  You're probably my strongest town read right now so Mynd is probably 0/3...but I'm not sure why you think that means he's more likely to be scum than bad town.  Do you think mafia!Mynd would leave a teammate or two off his suspects to go all-in on mislynches?

 

Okay, now that multiple people have mentioned it, it has become apparent I should have been more clear.  I answered this just above when Rand asked (you were probably ninja'd).  As for whether or not Mynd would do such a thing, I see no reason why not.  Mynd's reputation for trying to do the unexpected is well known, and don't we all just "know" mafia would never only focus on town. 

[Tyler Glembo]

Sucks to suck TG.

 

 

Lenbro, isn't there any way I can heal this growing rift between us.  It saddens me deeply.  Deeply.

[csarmi]

Darthe played as I would expect a cop too, making some cases and so on, but not playing so much where he would attract attention and possibly have to claim to not get lynched. Hence he was on my list of people avoiding attention, but it turned out he was cop instead of mafia.

 

Secondly, Nyn was also on my list of suspects, so even if she was towntelling, it's not that hard to believe she is mafia.

 

Thirdly, I don't think mafia would sacrifice Darthe for something like this. Although Darthe was on my list and others, no one had really moved against Darthe. As mafia, most other players have seen more attention then Darthe, so it would have been better for them to be sacrificed for something like this than Darthe.

 

Fourthly, town has higher numbers than mafia. That pretty much means that a 1:1 trade is almost always in town's favor.

Every single point here is so wrong I dunno what to say. Seriously. Ask BFG about my reaction... Not gonna copy it here.

 

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TG you seriously believe we don't need a discussion at one mislynch left situation and have a full waste of day? Over a horribad claim timing?

[Tyler Glembo]

TG you seriously believe we don't need a discussion at one mislynch left situation and have a full waste of day? Over a horribad claim timing?

 

 

I seriously believe I have seen you (and others) do this in multiple games.  In the past I agreed.  However, each and every time the discussion goes absolutely nowhere because, hanging over everything, is a cop with a guilty and an outed scum.

 

So, I already asked my questions which was whether or not you and NB's soft claims were real.  You both indicated (NB by voting) no, so I'm inclined to believe Darthe and continue the game.

[BFG]

Think its safe to say that we both find the timing of Darthes claim scummy, and Nyn disappearing equally scummy.

[csarmi]

 

TG you seriously believe we don't need a discussion at one mislynch left situation and have a full waste of day? Over a horribad claim timing?

 

I seriously believe I have seen you (and others) do this in multiple games. In the past I agreed. However, each and every time the discussion goes absolutely nowhere because, hanging over everything, is a cop with a guilty and an outed scum.

 

So, I already asked my questions which was whether or not you and NB's soft claims were real. You both indicated (NB by voting) no, so I'm inclined to believe Darthe and continue the game.

There are six people who didn't claim they weren't cop.

[Clovdyx]

 

[v]Mynd[/v]

 

I've moved from you just trolling me to you being scum.  Your reads so far in regards to Lenlo and Vos have been either wrong or scum motivated.  Your trolling of me is off the charts and I know I'm town.  So you're 0/3 on reads so far which makes you >rand to be scum.

 

Other scum candidates are Rand based of Vos death and both Tommy and DT from yesterday.

 

This is adorable. 

 

TG stays clear of me for the latter half of the game and then suddenly, out the gate, comes at me.  He doesn't realize that he just outed himself as mafia.  He's desperately trying to use Lenlo and Vos flipping town as a reason for everyone to totally ignore him.  I guess this is what a scum TG looks like.

 

If I was mafia, I wouldn't kill Vos if I had built a good scum case against him.  I'm not the only one that felt this way about Vos either. 

 

As far as Lenlo, I also wasn't the only one who felt he was scum, and I certainly wasn't the one who started the lynch.  I voted him in the end because 1) he was my #2 scumread and 2) we couldn't let the vote go random. 

 

I'm sure by now you wish you could edit or delete that post.  You see, it reads to me as someone who doesn't want anyone else listening to what I have to say.

 

Funny thing...I was more interested in a couple other players today than you. 

 

[v] TG [/v]

 

 

Bold + OMGUS vote = scumclaim. 

 

First of all, your case on TG was largely due to his link with Lenlo.  Lenlo flipping town kind of ruins that theory, doesn't it?  So you had a weak case, it just lost one of the few valid concerns - and I use that term loosely - so now it's even weaker.  I'll concede that having an incredibly weak argument for somebody isn't scummy.  However, when you admit to having other suspects you preferred to go after and them and seemingly toss them aside to kneejerk the person going after you?

 

Also don't like "If I was mafia, I wouldn't do X" thing.  I remember you doing literally the same thing in Buffy, when you killed somebody that was suspicious of you and immediately said it was to set you up.  So yeah, I think that's EXACTLY the kind of thing you'd do as mafia.

 

[v]Mynd[/v]

 

 

 

[v]Mynd[/v]

 

I've moved from you just trolling me to you being scum.  Your reads so far in regards to Lenlo and Vos have been either wrong or scum motivated.  Your trolling of me is off the charts and I know I'm town.  So you're 0/3 on reads so far which makes you >rand to be scum.

 

Other scum candidates are Rand based of Vos death and both Tommy and DT from yesterday.

 

This is adorable. 

 

TG stays clear of me for the latter half of the game and then suddenly, out the gate, comes at me.  He doesn't realize that he just outed himself as mafia.  He's desperately trying to use Lenlo and Vos flipping town as a reason for everyone to totally ignore him.  I guess this is what a scum TG looks like.

 

If I was mafia, I wouldn't kill Vos if I had built a good scum case against him.  I'm not the only one that felt this way about Vos either. 

 

As far as Lenlo, I also wasn't the only one who felt he was scum, and I certainly wasn't the one who started the lynch.  I voted him in the end because 1) he was my #2 scumread and 2) we couldn't let the vote go random. 

 

I'm sure by now you wish you could edit or delete that post.  You see, it reads to me as someone who doesn't want anyone else listening to what I have to say.

 

Funny thing...I was more interested in a couple other players today than you. 

 

[v] TG [/v]

 

 

By all means, keep posting scum.  It'll be fun for the rest of us to try and figure out your teammates later from your spew.  Course, between the trolling, mislogic, and obv!bad reads it won't be easy, but I think we're up to the task.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[v]Mynd[/v]

 

I've moved from you just trolling me to you being scum.  Your reads so far in regards to Lenlo and Vos have been either wrong or scum motivated.  Your trolling of me is off the charts and I know I'm town.  So you're 0/3 on reads so far which makes you >rand to be scum.

 

Other scum candidates are Rand based of Vos death and both Tommy and DT from yesterday.

 

This is adorable. 

 

TG stays clear of me for the latter half of the game and then suddenly, out the gate, comes at me.  He doesn't realize that he just outed himself as mafia.  He's desperately trying to use Lenlo and Vos flipping town as a reason for everyone to totally ignore him.  I guess this is what a scum TG looks like.

 

If I was mafia, I wouldn't kill Vos if I had built a good scum case against him.  I'm not the only one that felt this way about Vos either. 

 

As far as Lenlo, I also wasn't the only one who felt he was scum, and I certainly wasn't the one who started the lynch.  I voted him in the end because 1) he was my #2 scumread and 2) we couldn't let the vote go random. 

 

I'm sure by now you wish you could edit or delete that post.  You see, it reads to me as someone who doesn't want anyone else listening to what I have to say.

 

Funny thing...I was more interested in a couple other players today than you. 

 

[v] TG [/v]

 

 

By all means, keep posting scum.  It'll be fun for the rest of us to try and figure out your teammates later from your spew.  Course, between the trolling, mislogic, and obv!bad reads it won't be easy, but I think we're up to the task.

 

 

How do you not know that this is outing you as scum?  Why are you so afraid of people actually taking my thoughts seriously?

 

 

"The more you call me scum, the more you out yourself."

 

Vote Darthe

 

Just a hunch.

 

Could also vote Salami or Nyn.

 

I still have no idea why people didn't vote you yesterday.  What happened to your read on Tom?  Yesterday you were absolutely convinced there was no way he was town,and now you're not even interested in looking at him? 

 

Also, FTR...loving the TG and Mynd fisticuffs...have no idea on any alignment but think TG is winning the debate.

 

Well, I agree on your conclusion.  The fact that you're not drawing any alignment from that makes me think you don't care.

[Tyler Glembo]

Think its safe to say that we both find the timing of Darthes claim scummy, and Nyn disappearing equally scummy.

 

I agree that the timing of Darthe's claim was meh.  But let's think about it.  Right now we are, presumably, 3/10.  Let's say Darthe is lying.  We go to 3/8.  Then we get down to 2/6.  We can vote nolynch and go 2/5.  At that point it is lylo but with a helluva lot more info than we have now.

 

Let's say Darthe is being straight. Then we go 2/8 and are even further ahead. 

 

Seriously though, Darthe had 2 votes on him.  Calling that a runaway train is exaggeration.

[BFG]

 

TG you seriously believe we don't need a discussion at one mislynch left situation and have a full waste of day? Over a horribad claim timing?

 

I seriously believe I have seen you (and others) do this in multiple games.  In the past I agreed.  However, each and every time the discussion goes absolutely nowhere because, hanging over everything, is a cop with a guilty and an outed scum.

 

So, I already asked my questions which was whether or not you and NB's soft claims were real.  You both indicated (NB by voting) no, so I'm inclined to believe Darthe and continue the game.

 

You were in AJ's Mistborn game? How did Des's claim work out for Town? (yes that time it was a town gambit but the point is similar)

[Myndrunner]

Nyn is not town.

 

Thats a result.

 

[V] NYN [/V]

 

@Darthe - Why did you choose to target Nyn last night instead of many other possibilities?

 

Slow down the horses.

 

We want everyone to chime in.

 

Darthe - why claim now?

Well, I don't think there would be more than one cop in this game.  No one else has cc'd the cop claim.  We have a hidden doc.  If Nyn flips town, we know who scum is.

I do agree about slowing down though.   We can still discuss it without hammering, but there have been enough players tossing Nyn's name around in this game.

 

[unvote]

 

[v] Nyn [/v]

 

 

Ya know, TG's case depended on Vos dying last night.

 

I think I just figured out who had the most to gain by Vos being killed.

 

Is this a joke?  Do you not remember any of our disagreement D1?  You trying to claim that my case on you has nothing to do with D1 and centers only on that one post is ridic.

 

lolwhut? Dude, go back and read your first post of D2. 

[Tyler Glembo]

There are six people who didn't claim they weren't cop.

 

 

Two things: a) they shouldn't and b) none of those 6 people soft-claimed cop like you and NB did before Darthe came forward.

[BFG]

 

Think its safe to say that we both find the timing of Darthes claim scummy, and Nyn disappearing equally scummy.

 

I agree that the timing of Darthe's claim was meh.  But let's think about it.  Right now we are, presumably, 3/10.  Let's say Darthe is lying.  We go to 3/8.  Then we get down to 2/6.  We can vote nolynch and go 2/5.  At that point it is lylo but with a helluva lot more info than we have now.

 

Let's say Darthe is being straight. Then we go 2/8 and are even further ahead. 

 

Seriously though, Darthe had 2 votes on him.  Calling that a runaway train is exaggeration.

 

Lulwut?

 

We only started with 12 players and are two townies down

[Tyler Glembo]

Well, I don't think there would be more than one cop in this game.  No one else has cc'd the cop claim.  We have a hidden doc.  If Nyn flips town, we know who scum is.

I do agree about slowing down though.   We can still discuss it without hammering, but there have been enough players tossing Nyn's name around in this game.

 

[unvote]

 

[v] Nyn [/v]

 

 

I don't even.

[Tyler Glembo]

 

 

Think its safe to say that we both find the timing of Darthes claim scummy, and Nyn disappearing equally scummy.

 

I agree that the timing of Darthe's claim was meh.  But let's think about it.  Right now we are, presumably, 3/10.  Let's say Darthe is lying.  We go to 3/8.  Then we get down to 2/6.  We can vote nolynch and go 2/5.  At that point it is lylo but with a helluva lot more info than we have now.

 

Let's say Darthe is being straight. Then we go 2/8 and are even further ahead. 

 

Seriously though, Darthe had 2 votes on him.  Calling that a runaway train is exaggeration.

 

Lulwut?

 

We only started with 12 players and are two townies down

 

 

I don't get it.  What part don't you agree with?  Do you think there are 4 scum?

[BFG]

 

 

Think its safe to say that we both find the timing of Darthes claim scummy, and Nyn disappearing equally scummy.

 

I agree that the timing of Darthe's claim was meh.  But let's think about it.  Right now we are, presumably, 3/10.  Let's say Darthe is lying.  We go to 3/8.  Then we get down to 2/6.  We can vote nolynch and go 2/5.  At that point it is lylo but with a helluva lot more info than we have now.

 

Let's say Darthe is being straight. Then we go 2/8 and are even further ahead. 

 

Seriously though, Darthe had 2 votes on him.  Calling that a runaway train is exaggeration.

 

Lulwut?

 

We only started with 12 players and are two townies down

 

So likely 7-3 that's 1 mislynch then mylo, barring a doc protect.

[BFG]

 

Well, I don't think there would be more than one cop in this game.  No one else has cc'd the cop claim.  We have a hidden doc.  If Nyn flips town, we know who scum is.

I do agree about slowing down though.   We can still discuss it without hammering, but there have been enough players tossing Nyn's name around in this game.

 

[unvote]

 

[v] Nyn [/v]

 

I don't even.

 

You beat me to this though

[Tyler Glembo]

Maybe you misread.  3/10 means 3 scum out of 10 players.

[Tyler Glembo]

3/10 is the same as 7-3.

[Nynaeve]

Think its safe to say that we both find the timing of Darthes claim scummy, and Nyn disappearing equally scummy.

 

I'm eating dinner :P