[Basic]TRON Mafia Game-Day 4

[Lenlo]

 

For those of you not interested in reading the last three pages here is a tldr version:

 

Salami: I decide whats scummy and what isnt!

Vos: Im questioning everything and badgering salami

Nyn: Look at me!

Hally: Look at her!

Tommy: Im not bad, youre bad!!! ...I may be bad.

salami again: quotes, repeat everything everyone else said, Im still not bad, ditto, h8 u all, pardon me while I check my QT and arrogantly blame you for calling me out on my crappy play

 

 

There you have it!

 

TG....still lonely....unmentioned...........

 

Its ok TG, here share my corner. Your gonna have to get your own gallon of icecream though.

[nervositee]

Tom, for your convenience, and to avoid a "you find it, no you find it, no you find it" for the next three pages 

 

 

@Tom: how do you feel about Clov playing in a commentator/reporter mode?

[Nynaeve]

 

Vote Clov

 

Your lack of motivation in this game troubles me. I know you love being town, especially if you score a PR. I also know you hate rolling scum. Pouty Clov is a scummy Clov. *waggles finger*

This is probably bad. I found myself nodding along to his statements earlier in the game. Same on-point vibe as another recent town game of his.

 

Plus TG wants to lynch him.

 

 

I've seen Clov make excellent points as scum before.

 

 

Ah TG wants to lynch him! So under your criteria anyone that TG is after is town by default? 

[Tommyrod]

 

Tom, for your convenience, and to avoid a "you find it, no you find it, no you find it" for the next three pages

 

 

 

@Tom: how do you feel about Clov playing in a commentator/reporter mode?

Thanks Vos.

 

I haven't seen him doing that. I remember him asking pointed questions. If you wouldn't mind pulling posts of his that you think are in commentary mode I'll take a look.

[Clovdyx]

[v]鲍勃不是我的名字[/v]

 

 

 

 

Game on.  Vote Rand

 

Scummy, opportunistic trying to hard to avoid conflict.

 

Initial post of the game, initial vote of the game.  This was about 100 posts in and, presumably, about Rand voting Mynd based on what happened in the Cthulu game.  I'm aware that Robert didn't play that game, but I think most people can figure out that Rand's early vote didn't carry much more significance than any of the other early D1 nonsense posts.  If it was just a game-starter vote, I'd probably have overlooked it but actually attempting to justify based on what looked like (mostly) joking by Rand seems more opportunistic than what Rand did.

 

 

 

I just spent 6 hours arguing with idiots on another site.

So if we can avoid arguing like idiots in this game, I'd appreciate that.

This isn't to anyone specific, just saying. Down with idiots.

 

Unvote, Vote Tommy

 

 

Still fairly early, so I think this was a joke vote, but I can't tell.

 

 

 

 

 

Avenue of Productive Discussion.

 

Day One will almost always result in the lynching of a townie simply because of odds (we all know this). My focus thus far has not been so much on the discussion between Clov, Vos, and RandA. I've been more watching those lurking.

 

Scum will participate early on just enough and let town lynch town. I have a tendency/prefer to lynch lurkers.

 

This is DM. We tend to lynch scum on D1 around here.

 

So what do you think of those who didn't participate much so far?

 

I'm rereading at the moment.

 

But I will place my vote on either Lenlo or Darthe.

 

 

If you could advance the case against Darthe and say...get him to L-1...I'd hammer.

 

 

I've tried coming up with an explanation where this post comes from a townie mindsight.  Can't do it.  He believes the case against Darthe is worthwhile enough to vote for, but he's unwilling to put in the work OR lead it? 

 

 

 

I liked the tone of Rand's commentary in blue, it has a sharpness to it.

[unvote]

[v]NotBob[/v]

Does anyone think this guy is town? If so, please help me see it.

 

 

lol...ur scum...u know it and i know it now.

 

 

 

This might be too erratic even for me, but let's see what happens

 

[v]Tommy[/v]

 

Smart vote right here...

 

 

 

 

I don't see this as scummy but rather a product of site meta.  IIRC you should be aware of how emotionality is generally treated here.  
 
Also, what do you think about salami iff NB is scum?

Not sure what you're talking about wrt site meta. I opened with a pact of non-emotionality, so I'm well aware people here can get... butthurt. You talking about Vos or TG?

I see Salami as generically scummy for the same reason you posed -- the wolfy pop-ins that don't lead anywhere, as if he's not really interested in a response -- but to memory that's true for him in general. Disjointed. It's been a while since we've made it through a whole D1 together and I'm 20% afraid if I push him he might quit (and I wish I was joking) so my hope is to read BFG instead of him, but she ain't here yet.

Is there some link between Salami and NB that I'm not seeing? NB has almost zero content, the greatest contribution proffered thus far is him offering to hammer you and calling me scum for voting him.

 

 

Actually you voted me only after I unvoted you...so yeah, had you as scum before you even thought of me...but spin away scum..

 

 

This is what I think fake scumhunting looks like.  He calls Tom out with literally no explanation, pats somebody on the back for voting for Tom, and then reinforces it by saying he's spinning...something.  I have no idea what he's accusing Tom of spinning.  He wasn't wrong when he said that the largest contribution at that point was offering to hammer Darthe, and I don't see how asking about a link between Salami/NB from Darthe - which Tom explicitly states he does not see - is "spinning" something.

 

 

 

[Clovdyx]

 

 

Vote Clov

 

Your lack of motivation in this game troubles me. I know you love being town, especially if you score a PR. I also know you hate rolling scum. Pouty Clov is a scummy Clov. *waggles finger*

This is probably bad. I found myself nodding along to his statements earlier in the game. Same on-point vibe as another recent town game of his.

 

Plus TG wants to lynch him.

 

 

I've seen Clov make excellent points as scum before.

 

 

Ah TG wants to lynch him! So under your criteria anyone that TG is after is town by default? 

 

 

You've never even played with me as scum.

[Nynaeve]

Tommy linked us to a game where you were scum when we lynched you. I have bothered to read your posts BEFORE voting to lynch you. :P

 

Nice try at discrediting, though.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

Vote Clov

 

Your lack of motivation in this game troubles me. I know you love being town, especially if you score a PR. I also know you hate rolling scum. Pouty Clov is a scummy Clov. *waggles finger*

This is probably bad. I found myself nodding along to his statements earlier in the game. Same on-point vibe as another recent town game of his.

 

Plus TG wants to lynch him.

I've seen Clov make excellent points as scum before.

 

 

Ah TG wants to lynch him! So under your criteria anyone that TG is after is town by default?

For sure. He was effective like that in Twilight mafia. He was one of the more consensus clear players until must lynch. It's part of why I don't trust him in general. But we've had two really good collaborative town/town games where I felt good about him right away despite always tinfoiling a little bit on him. He had the same air to him early on. If his posting has dropped off hard I haven't noticed and that could be an actual scum tell for him. But he's a strong player and not someone I advocate lynching on D1. (Tried once; oops.)

 

And I get that you're mocking me but yes, TG pushing two of the strongest players in the game on D1 has me concerned. If he's scum it's a good tactic because he'll be able to "park" his vote on me for a while as it's really hard to get me lynched, so he avoids spewing other players for as long as I'm alive and he can keep harassing me... and if people get paranoid and I get lynched, even better! I call this the Tom Park on POG, wolves do it to me there quite a bit, especially in larger games.

 

I saw he was still arguing against me with hypocritical reasoning (calling MY argument a misstep is pure fabrication when HIS argument is the sort of spin I expect of someone like Red). Will respond in full when I can get to a comp.

 

I would love your thoughts on him and his "argument."

 

And that's an open invitation to everyone, few people have really pressed either of us yet. I was surprised to see NB didn't get into the thick of it at all.

 

Salami, THAT is a guy in commentary mode.

[Tommyrod]

[v]鲍勃不是我的名字[/v]

 

 

 

 

 

Game on. Vote Rand

 

Scummy, opportunistic trying to hard to avoid conflict.

Initial post of the game, initial vote of the game. This was about 100 posts in and, presumably, about Rand voting Mynd based on what happened in the Cthulu game. I'm aware that Robert didn't play that game, but I think most people can figure out that Rand's early vote didn't carry much more significance than any of the other early D1 nonsense posts. If it was just a game-starter vote, I'd probably have overlooked it but actually attempting to justify based on what looked like (mostly) joking by Rand seems more opportunistic than what Rand did.

 

 

 

I just spent 6 hours arguing with idiots on another site.

 

So if we can avoid arguing like idiots in this game, I'd appreciate that.

 

This isn't to anyone specific, just saying. Down with idiots.

Unvote, Vote Tommy

Still fairly early, so I think this was a joke vote, but I can't tell.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Avenue of Productive Discussion.

 

Day One will almost always result in the lynching of a townie simply because of odds (we all know this). My focus thus far has not been so much on the discussion between Clov, Vos, and RandA. I've been more watching those lurking.

 

Scum will participate early on just enough and let town lynch town. I have a tendency/prefer to lynch lurkers.

This is DM. We tend to lynch scum on D1 around here.

 

So what do you think of those who didn't participate much so far?

I'm rereading at the moment.

 

But I will place my vote on either Lenlo or Darthe.

If you could advance the case against Darthe and say...get him to L-1...I'd hammer.

I've tried coming up with an explanation where this post comes from a townie mindsight. Can't do it. He believes the case against Darthe is worthwhile enough to vote for, but he's unwilling to put in the work OR lead it?

 

 

 

I liked the tone of Rand's commentary in blue, it has a sharpness to it.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]NotBob[/v]

 

Does anyone think this guy is town? If so, please help me see it.

 

lol...ur scum...u know it and i know it now.

 

 

This might be too erratic even for me, but let's see what happens

 

[v]Tommy[/v]

Smart vote right here...

 

 

 

I don't see this as scummy but rather a product of site meta. IIRC you should be aware of how emotionality is generally treated here.

 

Also, what do you think about salami iff NB is scum?

Not sure what you're talking about wrt site meta. I opened with a pact of non-emotionality, so I'm well aware people here can get... butthurt. You talking about Vos or TG?

 

I see Salami as generically scummy for the same reason you posed -- the wolfy pop-ins that don't lead anywhere, as if he's not really interested in a response -- but to memory that's true for him in general. Disjointed. It's been a while since we've made it through a whole D1 together and I'm 20% afraid if I push him he might quit (and I wish I was joking) so my hope is to read BFG instead of him, but she ain't here yet.

 

Is there some link between Salami and NB that I'm not seeing? NB has almost zero content, the greatest contribution proffered thus far is him offering to hammer you and calling me scum for voting him.

Actually you voted me only after I unvoted you...so yeah, had you as scum before you even thought of me...but spin away scum..

This is what I think fake scumhunting looks like. He calls Tom out with literally no explanation, pats somebody on the back for voting for Tom, and then reinforces it by saying he's spinning...something. I have no idea what he's accusing Tom of spinning. He wasn't wrong when he said that the largest contribution at that point was offering to hammer Darthe, and I don't see how asking about a link between Salami/NB from Darthe - which Tom explicitly states he does not see - is "spinning" something.

 

 

This is spot on, and if you keep reading, you'll see he actually gets worse from there, opting to ignore both my accusations and the very relevant fight with TG. His "you voted me after I unvoted you so you're scum" reasoning is one of the single worst posts I've ever seen in a mafia game. Add the pure hypocrisy he fronted after that (trying to project his own behavior onto me, go read my rebuttal to him last night) and you've got either scum or one of the more terrible players I've ever seen (even for JN, hah!)

[RandA lThor]

K since my last post.

 

Still think Tommy is town, but less than before due to some of the points TG made.

 

   However, realized that both TG's and Tommy's scumminess might be exaggerated by large post counts.  At some point, town will make scummy posts, and if town posts a lot, its more likely to think they're scum.

 

Lenlo is still a better read cause I have seen him be scummy and he hasn't posted a ginormous amount.

 

Most of the Clov tells are all based on meta, so still have very little read on him.

[Tommyrod]

K since my last post.

 

Still think Tommy is town, but less than before due to some of the points TG made.

 

However, realized that both TG's and Tommy's scumminess might be exaggerated by large post counts. At some point, town will make scummy posts, and if town posts a lot, its more likely to think they're scum.

 

Lenlo is still a better read cause I have seen him be scummy and he hasn't posted a ginormous amount.

 

Most of the Clov tells are all based on meta, so still have very little read on him.

Which points did TG make that you liked? Almost everything he's said is scummy about me applies to him just as much if not more -- and THAT style of hypocritical projection argumentation is scummy. (It's also what NB is doing. You know, that guy he said I was scum with and then forgot about.)

[RandA lThor]

I know it applies to him too, that's why he's one of my top scum reads lol.

[Tommyrod]

I know it applies to him too, that's why he's one of my top scum reads lol.

Don't Darthe me, bro. Just tell me.

[Tommyrod]

Btw Rand (or anyone else) it would be fun if you joined this game that starts tomorrow but I understand if you don't do multi-tabling: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/puzzles-other-games/7-24-vanillaids-17r-stds-1460407/

[Clovdyx]

Tommy linked us to a game where you were scum when we lynched you. I have bothered to read your posts BEFORE voting to lynch you. :P

 

Nice try at discrediting, though.

 

Then I really don't understand why you're voting me.  You said my lack of motivation worries you, which I can accept on the surface level - I'm not going to sit here and pretend I've been a major try hard, and I'm not going to make a bunch of excuses.  Tom soft defends me for making posts he apparently agreed with (which is weird).  You say you've seen me make good points as scum.  If that's from whichever game Tom linked you to during RG - Twilight, I think? - you wouldn't have come to the conclusion that I hate rolling mafia OR that I'm pouty.

[Tommyrod]

Wait what's weird about me liking your posts? Isn't that... good?

[Nynaeve]

 

Then I really don't understand why you're voting me.  You said my lack of motivation worries you, which I can accept on the surface level - I'm not going to sit here and pretend I've been a major try hard, and I'm not going to make a bunch of excuses.  Tom soft defends me for making posts he apparently agreed with (which is weird).  You say you've seen me make good points as scum.  If that's from whichever game Tom linked you to during RG - Twilight, I think? - you wouldn't have come to the conclusion that I hate rolling mafia OR that I'm pouty.

 

 

My point to Tom is that you can be extremely sensible regardless of alignment. 

 

The conclusion of you not liking to roll scum didn't come from me reading that game. It came from when I modded my Buffy game and you practically begged me not to make you scum. 

 

The pouty bit was in jest =)

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

Vote Clov

 

Your lack of motivation in this game troubles me. I know you love being town, especially if you score a PR. I also know you hate rolling scum. Pouty Clov is a scummy Clov. *waggles finger*

This is probably bad. I found myself nodding along to his statements earlier in the game. Same on-point vibe as another recent town game of his.

 

Plus TG wants to lynch him.

I've seen Clov make excellent points as scum before.

 

 

Ah TG wants to lynch him! So under your criteria anyone that TG is after is town by default?

For sure. He was effective like that in Twilight mafia. He was one of the more consensus clear players until must lynch. It's part of why I don't trust him in general. But we've had two really good collaborative town/town games where I felt good about him right away despite always tinfoiling a little bit on him. He had the same air to him early on. If his posting has dropped off hard I haven't noticed and that could be an actual scum tell for him. But he's a strong player and not someone I advocate lynching on D1. (Tried once; oops.)

 

And I get that you're mocking me but yes, TG pushing two of the strongest players in the game on D1 has me concerned. If he's scum it's a good tactic because he'll be able to "park" his vote on me for a while as it's really hard to get me lynched, so he avoids spewing other players for as long as I'm alive and he can keep harassing me... and if people get paranoid and I get lynched, even better! I call this the Tom Park on POG, wolves do it to me there quite a bit, especially in larger games.

 

I saw he was still arguing against me with hypocritical reasoning (calling MY argument a misstep is pure fabrication when HIS argument is the sort of spin I expect of someone like Red). Will respond in full when I can get to a comp.

 

I would love your thoughts on him and his "argument."

 

And that's an open invitation to everyone, few people have really pressed either of us yet. I was surprised to see NB didn't get into the thick of it at all.

 

Salami, THAT is a guy in commentary mode.

 

 

Maybe your playing experience has been different than mine, but I actually think that lends credibility to him being town.  Sure, mafia can just park their votes on a few players and refuse from commenting on the game, but it kind of makes it obvious when they contribute nothing and refuse to actually help advance the game, no?   Besides, they need mislynches to help win, and D1 is the easiest mislynch day do to the lack of a flip.  Why sacrifice that by trying to dirty somebody that apparently won't be lynched?

[nervositee]

Recap:

 

From the play so far it appears many want to see how this new hybrid hammer operates.  Should get interesting at the deadline.  My first time under this set up.  Although I'd almost prefer a gladiator challenge instead of random.org in case of ties.

 

Either way.  I'd suggest a deadline.  We need some blood in the water.

 

this is truth. 

[Darthe]

I have a really strong list of townies right now and potentials.  I think the following makes sense:

 

Vos

Rand

Clov

 

 

as town and as potential town:

 

DT

TG

Tommy

 

then my list of people I have a muted or null read on are:

 

Nyn

Lenlo

Mynd

 

And finally active scum reads:

 

Nobb

Salameh

 

 

 

It's likely not all accurate but I suspect that I am pretty spot on.

[Tommyrod]

Ya Clov, what you're saying isn't wrong. You're right that scum probably SHOULD push mislynches rather than park on strong townies, yet it happens to me frequently anyway. As for whether it makes TG town, I dunno. I'm at wit's end with his tunnel vision and see his play ITG as more scummy than not, particularly the hypocrisy. He's usually a guy with good points as town so him honing in on me like this keeps making me switch between "???" and "he must be scum."

 

So chance of us being town/town still exists, but his behavior is a step beyond reasonable doubt from where I sit. At the very least, it's a distraction. I was hoping more people would pitch in.

[Tommyrod]

I have a really strong list of townies right now and potentials. I think the following makes sense:

 

Vos

Rand

Clov

 

 

as town and as potential town:

 

DT

TG

Tommy

 

then my list of people I have a muted or null read on are:

 

Nyn

Lenlo

Mynd

 

And finally active scum reads:

 

Nobb

Salameh

 

 

 

It's likely not all accurate but I suspect that I am pretty spot on.

I'd be interested in some exposition.

[Clovdyx]

I have a really strong list of townies right now and potentials.  I think the following makes sense:

 

Vos

Rand

Clov

 

 

as town and as potential town:

 

DT

TG

Tommy

 

then my list of people I have a muted or null read on are:

 

Nyn

Lenlo

Mynd

 

And finally active scum reads:

 

Nobb

Salameh

 

 

 

It's likely not all accurate but I suspect that I am pretty spot on.

 

I agree with almost all of this list, but the big two that stand out to me are Drunk Tank being likely town and Csarmi being scum. 

 

1) The bulk of Drunks posts seem off-topic/fluff, rather than concrete gameplay, and his actual playing posts make me feel not good about him.  Is this a substance read, or tone/meta?

2) Is the Csarmi position his, or the hydra?  I know you said you like to evaluate them separately to give you better reads.

[RandA lThor]

 

I know it applies to him too, that's why he's one of my top scum reads lol.

Don't Darthe me, bro. Just tell me.

 

Lol K will do.

 

Btw Rand (or anyone else) it would be fun if you joined this game that starts tomorrow but I understand if you don't do multi-tabling: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/puzzles-other-games/7-24-vanillaids-17r-stds-1460407/

Is this one of those really fast games?

 

@Tommy - I'm not letting you off so easily.

 

You've been using Mynd's garbage case to pivot onto me for a while, calling me scum for it while never commenting on my rebuttal to the garbage Mynd posted and while simultaneously agreeing Mynds case is garbage (scummy distancing from the heat/putting yourself in an unaccountable position).  Instead of looking at my response to it you only managed to read when I told Mynd I'd get back to later (I had a work meeting to get to).  After another day you get around to voting me (yes I was initially wrong about the voting, but you followed up so beautifully to what you had been obviously laying out which makes my point unchanged). 

 

You've been misrepping what I've said about how you're putting yourself into a position of authority to be buddied up to by misrepping and saying I said you were buddying, which is completely off.

 

You've been making a point of discussing how town you are and how much of an asset you are to town.  It's overdone.  I get the ego might make you post how much of an asset you are but the rest of it is too much.  Can we call the ego thing "Despoting"?

 

You've been using self-referencing meta to clear yourself while at the same time accusing me of using meta on you and saying it is a poor way of doing things.

 

You've threatened me to lay off you, warning that if I don't you'll come after me. 

 

Add them up and you rolled wolf.  Easy button.

These are the most valid points that he has.  Some of them I don't always view as scummy, but all together, they make me doubt my strong townread on you, enough to make it a lower priority townread.

 

 

 

I have a really strong list of townies right now and potentials.  I think the following makes sense:

 

Vos

Rand

Clov

 

 

as town and as potential town:

 

DT

TG

Tommy

 

then my list of people I have a muted or null read on are:

 

Nyn

Lenlo

Mynd

 

And finally active scum reads:

 

Nobb

Salameh

 

 

 

It's likely not all accurate but I suspect that I am pretty spot on.

 

I agree with almost all of this list, but the big two that stand out to me are Drunk Tank being likely town and Csarmi being scum. 

 

1) The bulk of Drunks posts seem off-topic/fluff, rather than concrete gameplay, and his actual playing posts make me feel not good about him.  Is this a substance read, or tone/meta?

2) Is the Csarmi position his, or the hydra?  I know you said you like to evaluate them separately to give you better reads.

 

2nd question, ditto.

 

Also, why the null on Mynd, he's done a lot of stuff that's noteworthy throughout the game.  Is it just that the positives and negatives cancel out?

[Myndrunner]

Tommy was right.....a game full of unreadable players.  For the most part....

 

Townitown Mansion

 

 

 

Myndrunner - Yes, I may be old, but I'm still a townie who can think for himself without the MCP looking over his shoulder.  Get off my motherboard you dang kids!

 

 

 

 

Slightly Town Condos

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nullville Apartments

 

 

Drunk Tank - First few posts established himself well, he won't be a vegetable.  He seems to be trying and following along but hasn't quite assymilated the culture yet, which isn't a bad thing.  Feels like my drunk uncle signing up in my fantasy football league and then mixing it up with my friends during the live draft.  "Joe Montana is an American Icon, dammit! *hic*  They named a STATE after him! *BURP!*"  Like this post right here trying to get the game moving. Good overall grasp of decent mafia play here.

 

BeefArmi - Another tough read.  Townish early posts, but I don't like this sheep-vote of Darthe with TG.  The Armi part of the hydra seems like applying the right amount of pressure without coming across as a witchhunter. 

 

Vos - A little more jovial than normal in this game.  Makes a point about "sitting back" usually means scum here. The fact that my #1 FOS is calling him LOCKTOWN bothers me.  His debate with Rand seems like two townies arguing semantics while wagging FOS at each other.  I typically have a town read on Vos and a scum read on Rand regardless of alignment.  Good reasoning like this one here.

 

NotBob - ランドの固体を読むここで.   彼はかなりの変態ファンですHentai 私は見ているよりもっとたくさん冗談を言ってください。 Nyn's Boobs は彼を気が散る.  良い質問です!!!  LOL

TommyRod - The contract, to me, seems like a townie who doesn't want emotions (his or others) to distract from scumhunting.  Sitting back with popcorn is something Vos should have pounced on.  He seems like he's trying to play objectively and not let emotions cloud his judgement.  That would be a townie play, but then again, he's letting a lot of us do the scumhunt work for him.  Hence: popcorn.

 

Rand al'Thor - I don't like his initial vote, seemed like he overkilled the explanation and even had to edit it.  The fact that it was on me is actually only a small part of it.  Tommy adds to my initial FOS here. His explanation to his OMGUS on Vos makes me hate puppies.  Agreeing with me normally makes me nervous (because I rarely agree with me unless I'm scum) but this is reinforcing what I did and TG's reaction.

 

Nynlia - Normal NynLia play so far.  Nyn antagonistic and Hally being over-buddying.  Nothing stands out as scum or town so far, which means they are probably scum.  Not enough to push them in either direction at this point.  Like BeefArmi said, we need more.

 

 

 

 

Slightly Scum Motel

 

 

Darthe - This post makes me have the diabetes.  Basically, he is saying everyone who posted before him is town except Drunk Tank.  His "slightly town" lean on Tommy seems like he wants to say "SCUM" but doesn't want to take on Tommy just yet.  He's gone for a while and explains this because life happens, but his return to game post is half-arsed and all over the place.  He gets a scum read on NotBob but totally misses the L1 comment as Tommy points out here.  Locks Leno as town because....why? and a GFY to me?  Darthe slightly scum.

Clov - My only reference to Kronos in this game will be to point out TG going after Kronos (an inactive) so early in the game.  This read will be 100% Clov..........um, yeah.....so.  *shrugs*   Nyn points out his lack of aggressive gameplay.  This isn't a townie Clov. 

 

 

 

 

Scum Salad Projects

 

 

TG - I find his reaction to my case (weak or not) incredibly off the charts and that makes him my number one scumbad at the time.  Don't let the cute puppy fool you, he starts off with his retort to Lenlo here then promptly votes an inactive in his second post right after it.   Kissing up to Tommy here then hastily deflects to ask Tommy about Vos here.   More kissing up here and here like he's running for TOWNIEST of TOWNIES.  Then flails when I case him, and promises that he will brb when my case will be destroyed by the destroyer's hand of destruction.  Won't lynch DT because he's new to DM?     Here is his "explanation" when pressed by Nyn.  (My first case on TG here)

 

This = my case being "destroyed"

 

Lenlo - Between the two, he responded only slightly better than TG to my casing report.  It started with his "joke" vote of TG here.  The interaction that got me more suspicious started here so read it yourself and lemme know what you think.  Seemed like a "HEY YOU" which amounted to a silly gif.  VERY suspicious.  The extent that the two of them slammed my case, weak or not, was quite an overreaction.  It was less explaining and more aimed at discrediting me.  This also stood out to me.