[Basic]TRON Mafia Game-Day 4

[RandA lThor]

You misunderstood what I meant with the third bit Rand. I mean in a game this small its implausible for mafia teammates to avoid each other. Theres not enough people in a small game like this for 3 people to avoid each other completely.

 

As for the quotes ill find them when I get home, because they exist.

As i said, it doesn't even have to be avoid each other completely.  Just don't vote them on your first vote lol.  There's 9 other people to vote, not that hard to do.  I understand that you said may, but even then, that's reaching quite a lot, since you're saying a maybe scum is linking to another maybe scum.  If NotBob had died and flipped scum, then that would have been better, but at this point, that's a lot of reaching.

 

 

Also just because you missed things, dont go dismissing them when I bring them up just because they go counter to what your saying. Ill bring quotes to prove that one to.

K, I'm almost sure I haven't dismissed any questions, so the only possibility I see is that I completely missed them, and if thats the case, there'll probably be a reason why, like it was hidden in a gigantic WoT or something like that.

[Lenlo]

Its D1 Rand, until we have a flip, any flip, everything is up in the air.

[nervositee]

 

 

 

 

calling all scum...please identify yourself to claim a prize...

... Whats the prize?

 

 

Looks like we got one....

 

Unvote, Vote Lenlo

 

 

LETS ALL PILE ON RIGHT NOW!

 

This feels off.  I don't know how to describe it reallly, but it seems very forced.

 

 

I am Jacks complete lack of surprise that you think so. 

[nervositee]

 

 

Rebuttal to Vos's point again

 

 

My thought too. 

 

To Lenlo (I believe) who wanted me to explain more about my "reads list". At page 10 (or something) its just gut and tone reads. Who reads as more relaxed, who is forced, who is deliberatly trying not to look a certain way, who seems to be trying just a little too hard. Nothing to expand on, but felt it worth putting out there. I've learned to trust my gut D1, and now its saying Rand and Csarmi is top 2 for scum. Rand for making a point out of "sitting back and enjoying town bicker between themselves" and then flailing when called out on it. Csarmi/RTE for trying way too hard, first at trying to look relaxed and jokyey, then trying to fake scumhunt and prod prod prod. Then disappearing before prodding some more. 

 

Also think it's a tad too soon to go bitching about people not posting enough. They are probably online trying to scroll through the quotation-hell a couple of pages back. My brain is still trying to catch up on the WOTs. Hnnnghn. 

 

Once again, I'm not flailing.  I am defending myself and casing people at the same time.  Just because I am casing you doesn't mean I am flailing, and though it does look like an OMGUS, I put solid reasoning behind why I voted you.  When there's good reasoning, its not an OMGUS.

 

Wow OK done with that.

 

tl;dr

 

Votes are piling on me exactly as I called it, with bs 1 post explanations.

 

Lenlo is fake scumhunting, using obviously false reasons, and is at the top of my scum list.

 

Mynd's case on TG had holes, but overall, was still enough to have me see TG as scum.  His reaction was not that good either, but I have not read his reply to Mynd's case, so his read isn't as stable as others yet.

 

Vos has dropped on my scum list simply because other people have done more scummy things.  Also, don't think TG and Vos are on the same team.

 

Tommy is the most likely to be town, due to his fairly solid reasoning when voting me.

 

So townreads include Tommy and Mynd, DT is kind of leaning town, but as I said before unsure.

 

Scumreads include: Lenlo, TG, and Vos.

 

Are two of those voting me?  yes.  But I do doubt that both of them are town, simply because mafia doesn't want to all be on the early end of a starting train.

 

PS: As I expected I have too many quotes.  I'll try to split it up, my apologies if anything gets messed up in the middle.

 

 

 

To your "rebuttal": You have to be kidding? "While it might have LOOKED LIKE an OMGUS, it was in fact NOT because I had a solid reason behind it". What was that, "calling people scummy based on one post is scummy"? I'm really trying to believe you here, but you're making it really hard for me here. 

 

Also quotes like "town never ever ever states that they would never lynch someone on a certain day, simply because they are new to DM.  That's ridiculous." makes me feel worse on you. Together with "Yes, the same scumtell [popcorning, editors note] that I've been campaigning against.  I don't agree with it against me or Tommy.  Its supposed to be a funny post, and though it may be a little scummy, it is nowhere near as telling as you or Vos seems to think." Is really, really bad.  Its a little bit scummy, but not super-duper scummy so I'm campaigning(!!!) against it being used to vote me. Forreal?

 

You know, I'm thinking of giving you the benefit of the doubt just for the ridiculous amount of work your putting into it though. Phew!

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

 

But stay tuned for TG to shred my case to shreds by shredding it!!!! When he gets back from [reason for delay] so he can start shredding!

 

If it was terribad, why not just say why now?

 

/me begins to hold breath.

It's called work. I had a meeting and knew it would take time to properly ridicule respond to your "case".

*popcorn*

Wasn't the "popcorn" comment mentioned by Vos earlier about scumtell?

Mynd thinks TG is lock scum. Mynd's case on TG is a bit contrived but TG's reaction to it was bad. Considering I've agreed with Mynd several times so far ITG and I've noticed TG has felt a bit... erratic... I think we might have something here. But more due to unnatural emotional states than the semantics argument Mynd was forwarding.

Scummy follow-on to Mynd's bad case (that you yourself called bad) is scummy. Ping.

Forgot to vote in that MQ [unvote][v]salami[/v]

 

 

Solid catch up post Darthe (more the MQ one right before this). I like it.

 

 

TG, in the above, I don't understand what you don't understand about my issue with you.

 

Mynd's case was a reach but your reaction to it is suspect.

 

A player I know from another site is quite good at reading people based on their emotional states. Yours has been hard to relate to, from the contradiction of spamming and serious I mentioned earlier to the almost cartoonish "you're toast, buster!" response to Mynd.

 

If you're town and want me to read you as such, attacking me for correctly identifying odd behavior from you isn't the way to go about it.

 

Maybe get me some butter?

[Tommyrod]

Rand, I was about to get on your ass for ignoring my vote and then calling me a townie. If you nest responses in spoilers please call out the person you're talking to, I didn't see it before.

 

As for what you said about not fencesitting but just not being sure -- fair enough. I can accept that answer.

[Tommyrod]

I liked the tone of Rand's commentary in blue, it has a sharpness to it.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]NotBob[/v]

 

Does anyone think this guy is town? If so, please help me see it.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

 

calling all scum...please identify yourself to claim a prize...

 

... Whats the prize?

 

Looks like we got one....

 

Unvote, Vote Lenlo

 

LETS ALL PILE ON RIGHT NOW!

This feels off.  I don't know how to describe it reallly, but it seems very forced.

In the way that it seems unduly exasperated? Yeah, I see it. But then we come back to "is improper emotion by default scummy or not", which is the crux of my beef with TG, and I don't have an answer yet. Gonna be a WIP for me as I try this out.

[Hallia]

 

That's what I said.

You guys have hydra chat? What have you been talking about? Why is Hallia quiet? I would prefer she posts more; she's easier to read than you are.

 

 

No, we don't have a hydra chat, we've developed psychic powers last spring when we on a get away to the Bahamas. I can also make Hallia orgasm by looking at a can of coke. It's uncanny.

 

 

Don't give away all of our secrets!

 

And yes, work is literally driving me crazy atm.  We switched from a program based scheduling system to a web-based and it has many many bugs. >.<

[Tommyrod]

Vos quote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rebuttal to Vos's point again

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My thought too. 

 

To Lenlo (I believe) who wanted me to explain more about my "reads list". At page 10 (or something) its just gut and tone reads. Who reads as more relaxed, who is forced, who is deliberatly trying not to look a certain way, who seems to be trying just a little too hard. Nothing to expand on, but felt it worth putting out there. I've learned to trust my gut D1, and now its saying Rand and Csarmi is top 2 for scum. Rand for making a point out of "sitting back and enjoying town bicker between themselves" and then flailing when called out on it. Csarmi/RTE for trying way too hard, first at trying to look relaxed and jokyey, then trying to fake scumhunt and prod prod prod. Then disappearing before prodding some more. 

 

Also think it's a tad too soon to go bitching about people not posting enough. They are probably online trying to scroll through the quotation-hell a couple of pages back. My brain is still trying to catch up on the WOTs. Hnnnghn.

 

Once again, I'm not flailing.  I am defending myself and casing people at the same time.  Just because I am casing you doesn't mean I am flailing, and though it does look like an OMGUS, I put solid reasoning behind why I voted you.  When there's good reasoning, its not an OMGUS.

 

Wow OK done with that.

 

tl;dr

 

Votes are piling on me exactly as I called it, with bs 1 post explanations.

 

Lenlo is fake scumhunting, using obviously false reasons, and is at the top of my scum list.

 

Mynd's case on TG had holes, but overall, was still enough to have me see TG as scum.  His reaction was not that good either, but I have not read his reply to Mynd's case, so his read isn't as stable as others yet.

 

Vos has dropped on my scum list simply because other people have done more scummy things.  Also, don't think TG and Vos are on the same team.

 

Tommy is the most likely to be town, due to his fairly solid reasoning when voting me.

 

So townreads include Tommy and Mynd, DT is kind of leaning town, but as I said before unsure.

 

Scumreads include: Lenlo, TG, and Vos.

 

Are two of those voting me?  yes.  But I do doubt that both of them are town, simply because mafia doesn't want to all be on the early end of a starting train.

 

PS: As I expected I have too many quotes.  I'll try to split it up, my apologies if anything gets messed up in the middle.

 

To your "rebuttal": You have to be kidding? "While it might have LOOKED LIKE an OMGUS, it was in fact NOT because I had a solid reason behind it". What was that, "calling people scummy based on one post is scummy"? I'm really trying to believe you here, but you're making it really hard for me here. 

 

Also quotes like "town never ever ever states that they would never lynch someone on a certain day, simply because they are new to DM.  That's ridiculous." makes me feel worse on you. Together with "Yes, the same scumtell [popcorning, editors note] that I've been campaigning against.  I don't agree with it against me or Tommy.  Its supposed to be a funny post, and though it may be a little scummy, it is nowhere near as telling as you or Vos seems to think." Is really, really bad.  Its a little bit scummy, but not super-duper scummy so I'm campaigning(!!!) against it being used to vote me. Forreal?

 

You know, I'm thinking of giving you the benefit of the doubt just for the ridiculous amount of work your putting into it though. Phew!

 

 

Agree with your conclusion re: Rand.

 

I think we could all benefit from arguing semantics a bit less. Look for the outliers. I don't really know how to articulate it, but sometimes post just feel really good or really bad. 371 by Rand is a good post and it makes me lean town on him because it reads like he believes what he's saying; it's punchy and confrontational while still conceding points if he agrees with them. Contrast that with posts like TG saying Mynd is gonna be destroyed when he's off work -- it sounds feigned.

[RandA lThor]

Its D1 Rand, until we have a flip, any flip, everything is up in the air.

True, however, you can't use that as an excuse to make theories about linking based on a vote of two people who you think to be scum based off of very early reads even in d1.  This is the same thing that Mynd did, with linking you and TG, which if I recall, you weren't very fond of.

 

 

 

 

 

 

calling all scum...please identify yourself to claim a prize...

... Whats the prize?

 

 

Looks like we got one....

 

Unvote, Vote Lenlo

 

 

LETS ALL PILE ON RIGHT NOW!

 

This feels off.  I don't know how to describe it reallly, but it seems very forced.

 

 

I am Jacks complete lack of surprise that you think so. 

 

Lol Vos, I'm not the only one.  That sentence definitely seemed strained or forced.

 

 

 

 

Rebuttal to Vos's point again

 

 

My thought too. 

 

To Lenlo (I believe) who wanted me to explain more about my "reads list". At page 10 (or something) its just gut and tone reads. Who reads as more relaxed, who is forced, who is deliberatly trying not to look a certain way, who seems to be trying just a little too hard. Nothing to expand on, but felt it worth putting out there. I've learned to trust my gut D1, and now its saying Rand and Csarmi is top 2 for scum. Rand for making a point out of "sitting back and enjoying town bicker between themselves" and then flailing when called out on it. Csarmi/RTE for trying way too hard, first at trying to look relaxed and jokyey, then trying to fake scumhunt and prod prod prod. Then disappearing before prodding some more. 

 

Also think it's a tad too soon to go bitching about people not posting enough. They are probably online trying to scroll through the quotation-hell a couple of pages back. My brain is still trying to catch up on the WOTs. Hnnnghn. 

 

Once again, I'm not flailing.  I am defending myself and casing people at the same time.  Just because I am casing you doesn't mean I am flailing, and though it does look like an OMGUS, I put solid reasoning behind why I voted you.  When there's good reasoning, its not an OMGUS.

 

Wow OK done with that.

 

tl;dr

 

Votes are piling on me exactly as I called it, with bs 1 post explanations.

 

Lenlo is fake scumhunting, using obviously false reasons, and is at the top of my scum list.

 

Mynd's case on TG had holes, but overall, was still enough to have me see TG as scum.  His reaction was not that good either, but I have not read his reply to Mynd's case, so his read isn't as stable as others yet.

 

Vos has dropped on my scum list simply because other people have done more scummy things.  Also, don't think TG and Vos are on the same team.

 

Tommy is the most likely to be town, due to his fairly solid reasoning when voting me.

 

So townreads include Tommy and Mynd, DT is kind of leaning town, but as I said before unsure.

 

Scumreads include: Lenlo, TG, and Vos.

 

Are two of those voting me?  yes.  But I do doubt that both of them are town, simply because mafia doesn't want to all be on the early end of a starting train.

 

PS: As I expected I have too many quotes.  I'll try to split it up, my apologies if anything gets messed up in the middle.

 

 

 

To your "rebuttal": You have to be kidding? "While it might have LOOKED LIKE an OMGUS, it was in fact NOT because I had a solid reason behind it". What was that, "calling people scummy based on one post is scummy"? I'm really trying to believe you here, but you're making it really hard for me here. 

 

Also quotes like "town never ever ever states that they would never lynch someone on a certain day, simply because they are new to DM.  That's ridiculous." makes me feel worse on you. Together with "Yes, the same scumtell [popcorning, editors note] that I've been campaigning against.  I don't agree with it against me or Tommy.  Its supposed to be a funny post, and though it may be a little scummy, it is nowhere near as telling as you or Vos seems to think." Is really, really bad.  Its a little bit scummy, but not super-duper scummy so I'm campaigning(!!!) against it being used to vote me. Forreal?

 

You know, I'm thinking of giving you the benefit of the doubt just for the ridiculous amount of work your putting into it though. Phew!

 

For the first part, its not calling people scummy based on one post is scummy.  its voting people based off of one post is scummy.  If I ever got confused and said it the other way around, I retract that.  FoSing people based on one post is natural, its how you start getting your scumtells.  My problem with you and Lenlo is that both of you voted on it.

 

Secondly, do you not agree with my statement against TG?  Does anyone think that one person should be completely off the table for lynching just because he's new to DM?  And secondly, I'm campaigning against it because that kind of reasoning is leading to votes like yours and Lenlo's which can start trains and lynches.  That is something worth campaigning against, not just the difference between a little scummy and super-duper scummy.

 

The fact that you are actually going through my posts, and having what seems like an open mind though, is towntelling, so I'd say right now, you're more of a scum lean, than a scumread.

 

 

Rand, I was about to get on your ass for ignoring my vote and then calling me a townie. If you nest responses in spoilers please call out the person you're talking to, I didn't see it before.

 

As for what you said about not fencesitting but just not being sure -- fair enough. I can accept that answer.

Will do, in this case though, I was too busy checking that all my spoilers and everything were neat so that people could read it.  All the 5 posts that I separated were originally in 1 post, so I had a hard time getting through all that.

 

I liked the tone of Rand's commentary in blue, it has a sharpness to it.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]NotBob[/v]

 

Does anyone think this guy is town? If so, please help me see it.

Ehh, I have more or less of a null on him right now because i know his meta better.  He's from JN and a lot of times they'll start joking around a bunch and playing like he does.  He'll get serious eventually though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

calling all scum...please identify yourself to claim a prize...

... Whats the prize?

 

Looks like we got one....

 

Unvote, Vote Lenlo

 

LETS ALL PILE ON RIGHT NOW!

This feels off.  I don't know how to describe it reallly, but it seems very forced.

In the way that it seems unduly exasperated? Yeah, I see it. But then we come back to "is improper emotion by default scummy or not", which is the crux of my beef with TG, and I don't have an answer yet. Gonna be a WIP for me as I try this out.

 

Yeah, I wasn't necessarily saying it was a scumtell, it just sounded weird the way she said it, like it wasn't natural.

 

 

Vos quote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rebuttal to Vos's point again

 

 

 

 

 

 

My thought too. 

 

To Lenlo (I believe) who wanted me to explain more about my "reads list". At page 10 (or something) its just gut and tone reads. Who reads as more relaxed, who is forced, who is deliberatly trying not to look a certain way, who seems to be trying just a little too hard. Nothing to expand on, but felt it worth putting out there. I've learned to trust my gut D1, and now its saying Rand and Csarmi is top 2 for scum. Rand for making a point out of "sitting back and enjoying town bicker between themselves" and then flailing when called out on it. Csarmi/RTE for trying way too hard, first at trying to look relaxed and jokyey, then trying to fake scumhunt and prod prod prod. Then disappearing before prodding some more. 

 

Also think it's a tad too soon to go bitching about people not posting enough. They are probably online trying to scroll through the quotation-hell a couple of pages back. My brain is still trying to catch up on the WOTs. Hnnnghn.

Once again, I'm not flailing.  I am defending myself and casing people at the same time.  Just because I am casing you doesn't mean I am flailing, and though it does look like an OMGUS, I put solid reasoning behind why I voted you.  When there's good reasoning, its not an OMGUS.

 

Wow OK done with that.

 

tl;dr

 

Votes are piling on me exactly as I called it, with bs 1 post explanations.

 

Lenlo is fake scumhunting, using obviously false reasons, and is at the top of my scum list.

 

Mynd's case on TG had holes, but overall, was still enough to have me see TG as scum.  His reaction was not that good either, but I have not read his reply to Mynd's case, so his read isn't as stable as others yet.

 

Vos has dropped on my scum list simply because other people have done more scummy things.  Also, don't think TG and Vos are on the same team.

 

Tommy is the most likely to be town, due to his fairly solid reasoning when voting me.

 

So townreads include Tommy and Mynd, DT is kind of leaning town, but as I said before unsure.

 

Scumreads include: Lenlo, TG, and Vos.

 

Are two of those voting me?  yes.  But I do doubt that both of them are town, simply because mafia doesn't want to all be on the early end of a starting train.

 

PS: As I expected I have too many quotes.  I'll try to split it up, my apologies if anything gets messed up in the middle.

 

To your "rebuttal": You have to be kidding? "While it might have LOOKED LIKE an OMGUS, it was in fact NOT because I had a solid reason behind it". What was that, "calling people scummy based on one post is scummy"? I'm really trying to believe you here, but you're making it really hard for me here. 

 

Also quotes like "town never ever ever states that they would never lynch someone on a certain day, simply because they are new to DM.  That's ridiculous." makes me feel worse on you. Together with "Yes, the same scumtell [popcorning, editors note] that I've been campaigning against.  I don't agree with it against me or Tommy.  Its supposed to be a funny post, and though it may be a little scummy, it is nowhere near as telling as you or Vos seems to think." Is really, really bad.  Its a little bit scummy, but not super-duper scummy so I'm campaigning(!!!) against it being used to vote me. Forreal?

 

You know, I'm thinking of giving you the benefit of the doubt just for the ridiculous amount of work your putting into it though. Phew!

 

 

Agree with your conclusion re: Rand.

 

I think we could all benefit from arguing semantics a bit less. Look for the outliers. I don't really know how to articulate it, but sometimes post just feel really good or really bad. 371 by Rand is a good post and it makes me lean town on him because it reads like he believes what he's saying; it's punchy and confrontational while still conceding points if he agrees with them. Contrast that with posts like TG saying Mynd is gonna be destroyed when he's off work -- it sounds feigned.

 

Get your points on semantics, but I'm better at that then good posts and bad posts, since for me, that varies a lot based on how I'm reading it and my mind set.  If I argue semantics, I can keep it more logical and prevent bias from entering my mind.  Plus then other people who are better at the good post/bad post feelings can get more info from the discussion I can bring up.

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

 

 

Rebuttal to Vos's point again

 

 

My thought too. 

 

To Lenlo (I believe) who wanted me to explain more about my "reads list". At page 10 (or something) its just gut and tone reads. Who reads as more relaxed, who is forced, who is deliberatly trying not to look a certain way, who seems to be trying just a little too hard. Nothing to expand on, but felt it worth putting out there. I've learned to trust my gut D1, and now its saying Rand and Csarmi is top 2 for scum. Rand for making a point out of "sitting back and enjoying town bicker between themselves" and then flailing when called out on it. Csarmi/RTE for trying way too hard, first at trying to look relaxed and jokyey, then trying to fake scumhunt and prod prod prod. Then disappearing before prodding some more. 

 

Also think it's a tad too soon to go bitching about people not posting enough. They are probably online trying to scroll through the quotation-hell a couple of pages back. My brain is still trying to catch up on the WOTs. Hnnnghn. 

 

Once again, I'm not flailing.  I am defending myself and casing people at the same time.  Just because I am casing you doesn't mean I am flailing, and though it does look like an OMGUS, I put solid reasoning behind why I voted you.  When there's good reasoning, its not an OMGUS.

 

Wow OK done with that.

 

tl;dr

 

Votes are piling on me exactly as I called it, with bs 1 post explanations.

 

Lenlo is fake scumhunting, using obviously false reasons, and is at the top of my scum list.

 

Mynd's case on TG had holes, but overall, was still enough to have me see TG as scum.  His reaction was not that good either, but I have not read his reply to Mynd's case, so his read isn't as stable as others yet.

 

Vos has dropped on my scum list simply because other people have done more scummy things.  Also, don't think TG and Vos are on the same team.

 

Tommy is the most likely to be town, due to his fairly solid reasoning when voting me.

 

So townreads include Tommy and Mynd, DT is kind of leaning town, but as I said before unsure.

 

Scumreads include: Lenlo, TG, and Vos.

 

Are two of those voting me?  yes.  But I do doubt that both of them are town, simply because mafia doesn't want to all be on the early end of a starting train.

 

PS: As I expected I have too many quotes.  I'll try to split it up, my apologies if anything gets messed up in the middle.

 

 

 

To your "rebuttal": You have to be kidding? "While it might have LOOKED LIKE an OMGUS, it was in fact NOT because I had a solid reason behind it". What was that, "calling people scummy based on one post is scummy"? I'm really trying to believe you here, but you're making it really hard for me here. 

 

Also quotes like "town never ever ever states that they would never lynch someone on a certain day, simply because they are new to DM.  That's ridiculous." makes me feel worse on you. Together with "Yes, the same scumtell [popcorning, editors note] that I've been campaigning against.  I don't agree with it against me or Tommy.  Its supposed to be a funny post, and though it may be a little scummy, it is nowhere near as telling as you or Vos seems to think." Is really, really bad.  Its a little bit scummy, but not super-duper scummy so I'm campaigning(!!!) against it being used to vote me. Forreal?

 

You know, I'm thinking of giving you the benefit of the doubt just for the ridiculous amount of work your putting into it though. Phew!

 

For the first part, its not calling people scummy based on one post is scummy.  its voting people based off of one post is scummy.  If I ever got confused and said it the other way around, I retract that.  FoSing people based on one post is natural, its how you start getting your scumtells.  My problem with you and Lenlo is that both of you voted on it.

 

Secondly, do you not agree with my statement against TG?  Does anyone think that one person should be completely off the table for lynching just because he's new to DM?  And secondly, I'm campaigning against it because that kind of reasoning is leading to votes like yours and Lenlo's which can start trains and lynches.  That is something worth campaigning against, not just the difference between a little scummy and super-duper scummy.

 

The fact that you are actually going through my posts, and having what seems like an open mind though, is towntelling, so I'd say right now, you're more of a scum lean, than a scumread.

 

Yes Rand, I voted my first scumtell of the game on D1 because it was a good starting point and theres nothing wrong with that. Still is a good starting point.

 

To the bold: Oh nooooooo. Votes from players in a mafia game lead to trains and lynchs... I had never noticed this correlation in my 2 years of playing mafia here befooooooore. Seriously man, thats a silly point to make. If we vote you that means we are ok with/want you lynched. If our votes lead to trains and lynchs on you, cause its mafia, then good. Thats actually exactly in line with what we want. Thats why we are voting you.

[Clovdyx]

 

/kicks door open

 

How the heck you boys doin?!

Sup AVM?

 

 

Deleting all rebuttals that I also mentioned in my analysis of Mynd's case to avoid "ditto".  Again, I am in bold and blue

*****MOD APPROVED EDIT***********I DID MY BEST TO FIX THE QUOTES BUT ALL THESE QUOTES ARE FROM MYND************

 

I'm taking out a bunch of the nested quotes.  You want them, go back and read them.

 

And now the appeal to Tommy pointing out someone elses early jokiness other than his own.

 

I'm engaging players because I know my only agenda is scumhunting.  What is your agenda?

 

I don't even think this responded to what he said.  Look at my case for a clearer argument against you for that  post, one that you can't respond with, I scumhunt bro, y u no scumhunt?

 

Darthe seems to be a heat magnet in most games, which makes him an easy target and scapegoat.  Darthe has barely posted this game and yet that seems to be enough for TG to consider him among the top 3 wolfiest players in the game?  And what happened to Kronos?

 

(heh.  The only GOAT Darthe seems to get is being a scapeGOAT! Hahahaha, I kill me!)

 

Darthe is wolfie for his BS reads that he popped in with.  Show me how he had helped town in any way by the time I made my list. 

 

Also, by applying your own logic to yourself, you must be saying you know Darthe is town with your joke.  How would you know that Mynd?  Only if you're scum. 

 

If I remember correctly, you also voted Darthe for this.  I understand that he may have been somewhat scummy, but again, one post votes?

 

Our Goodwill Ambassador of DM Mafia is not going to lynch Drunk Tank for any reason on D1.  Isn't that sweet?

 

No, I'm not.

 

K this changes my view of what you said before.   This isn't necessarily scummy or town as much as stupid.  You should never ever make an exception in a mafia game to not lynch someone.  If someone got a day cop report on him, he slipped and said he was mafia, or he did some extremely scummy things right in a row, would you go "Oh he's new here, lets go easy".  This is mafia.  Voting someone on their first day here, especially when they've played elsewhere, is not personal, its part of the game.  You making a blatant exception goes against mafia 101, as town or scum.

 

Then this....which gets NO explanation.

Lenlo, I need your help.

Now, less than 15 minutes later, Lenlo replies.  Its almost as if he knew Lenlo was online.  Kinda like they were working together in some other form of communication....like say a Mafia QT perhaps?  What did TG need help with?  A mildly funny gif....one that I believe was hastily used in a desperate attempt to explain why he really needed Lenlo.....to read the mafia QT.

 

This might be the stupidest thing you said.  You're saying I knew Lenlo was online because I posted this.  In the next sentence you're saying I needed him to get online to read the QT.  So I knew he was online which is why I posted this to try and get him online.  Are you taking logic lessons from Despo and Red? 

 

I agree with what you said, but just wanted to point out that this is ironic considering the above.

 

 

TG has waded in the spam with us for a lot longer in other games.  Why the sudden haste? Why the flip-floppy behavior? Guilty conscience?  And how is he really pushing any gameplay at this point?  Voting an inactive?  Kissing everyone's arses?

 

Yes, and wading through it is soul killing me.  It's fun....for a while, but everything in moderation.  Hence, some jokes, some gameplay.  Sorry you can't understand moderation.

 

I'd say you were higher than the average for number of joke posts and so on in this game.  That means that you can't suddenly change (especially after people have already started playing the game) and go, "STOP TOWN! Let me lead you to non spammy posts, because I want game play".  You're inflating the amount of things you've done for town, an action commonly done by scum.

 

TG gives Nyn the finger and calls her out for giving him a weak FOS.  For everyone's convienence, I colored and bolded the part where Nyn gives TGlems an FOS in her quoted quote.

 

You're a LLwL.  I called it a wanna-be FOS.  Insinuated without using the words.  Nice try.  You even used pretty colors to draw attention to how your placing all this into your narrative.

 

Point taken, I understood a wanna-be FOS as a blatant FOS that wasn't as strong.

 

And now, a warning to all of us lowly hethens who DARE consider TGlems as scum because they might have an agenda.  Vos is naturally #CHAINLOCKTOWNwithPADLOCK while we should be suspicious of players other than TG if we wanna be decent townies.  Read the following and try not to facepalm too much.

 

TG earlier states that he isn't going to vote Drunk Tank because he's new to DM.  Yet he fires off at Rand for calling out Vos for voting him and not knowing his game play.  Don't forget, he just finished warning us all that if we want to be decent townies, we need to be suspicious.

Then a defense of Vos which doesn't even begin to consider that Vos is Scummy McVosScum. 

 

Yeah, TG......I have an agenda in this game.  It's getting rid of all the scum. 

 

I figure I'd start with you.

 

I don't know why I'm arguing with you when you're doing such a good job of arguing with yourself.  Vos' alignment has nothing to do with Rand being right or not.  Rand is wrong on this one.  I could be attacking scum for all the wrong reasons.  Just because they are scum doesn't make my reasoning better.

 

And DT being new v. Rand and Vos not knowing playstyles are two completely different things.  You're conflating them, badly, to fit your narrative. 

 

And if you actually are town, then you aren't gonna be checking any boxes on your agenda.  Terribad case is terribad.

 

Once again, your stance on DT because he's new literally makes no sense from any viewpoint.  Now that I think of it, its even somewhat scummy, contrary to the null read that I stated before, because only mafia would state that they would never lynch someone.  It makes for a good mafia protecting town story.

 

On the other hand, town never ever ever states that they would never lynch someone on a certain day, simply because they are new to DM.  That's ridiculous.

 

 

 

Mynd, your scum team is TG and Lenlo? I think TG has some scum equity, but I don't think your "omg they're colluding!" theory you start that case with is very likely.

 

Often people say "hah did you plan that in scum chat?!" and that's almost never the case. I mean do you seriously plan out conversations in scum chat? I don't.

 

TG wanting less spam isn't scummy. Him being spammy while also deriding people for not being serious kind of is, though.

 

I give your case a 4/10. Might be right but probably for the wrong reasons. A lot of what you found scummy is actually semantics.

 

Except for the "scum equity" this is spot on.

 

Lol two things happened here.

 

1. You tried to take a viewpoint of someone and take it out of context by omitting anything bad about yourself and only presenting the good parts.

 

2. You didn't realize that you just accepted the fact that its scummy for you to be spammy while deriding people, and also the fact that Tommy said you might be scum.

 

 

 

 

But stay tuned for TG to shred my case to shreds by shredding it!!!!  When he gets back from [reason for delay] so he can start shredding!

 

If it was terribad, why not just say why now?

 

/me begins to hold breath.

 

It's called work.  I had a meeting and knew it would take time to properly ridicule respond to your "case".

 

I'd like to clarify before you respond the same way to my analysis of your reaction, that my beef with you is that in that post, you didn't mention a single thing, even in a quick phrase, that was wrong with Mynd.  If you had time to read Mynd's entire case, then you had time to post, his linking is bad, or ,he's thinking too much about joke posts.

 

*popcorn*

 

Wasn't the "popcorn" comment mentioned by Vos earlier about scumtell?

 

Yes, the same scumtell that I've been campaigning against.  I don't agree with it against me or Tommy.  Its supposed to be a funny post, and though it may be a little scummy, it is nowhere near as telling as you or Vos seems to think.

 

Mynd thinks TG is lock scum. Mynd's case on TG is a bit contrived but TG's reaction to it was bad. Considering I've agreed with Mynd several times so far ITG and I've noticed TG has felt a bit... erratic... I think we might have something here. But more due to unnatural emotional states than the semantics argument Mynd was forwarding.

 

Scummy follow-on to Mynd's bad case (that you yourself called bad) is scummy.  Ping.

 

I'm starting to think that the 2nd point up above is very correct.  Tommy basically said what I said in way fewer words and with less conviction.  Mynd's case has a lot of BS, but some parts are good, and you may be scum.

 

This btw is an OMGUS FOS.  Someone that I liked suddenly FoSed me, let me get back at them really quick and make up some reasoning that is completely false (although this time may have gave false reasoning unknowingly)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quick bit of fun to reenergize anyone reading over all my long posts.  Lol I love this part of the movie.  "If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball" :

 

Rand its not that you missed it, its that you avoided answering the actual questions thrown at you. You joked with them, you quoted them, but you didnt actually /answer/ them. Your also missing the point where I supported Tommy's reasoning for voting you. 

 

For the NotBob thing I said may. May being the key word. You were my only scum read at that point in the reread, D1, so of course im going to be focused on you. And mafia wouldnt touch a teammate with a 10ft pole to avoid linking? Please in a game this small thats a non issue. Mafia have to interact with each other in some way in a game this size.

 

And you can call the reasoning false all you want, it doesnt make it so. 

Ok.  With the whole answers thing, I'm not just saying its false, it is.  If you want to make it true, find posts of people asking me questions, and me answering them jokingly or not answering them but quoting them.  The only time I've done that is with NotBob's vote which I originally thought was a joke, and if I've done it anywhere else, I've missed it.

 

Secondly, if I missed it, it was probably a one-liner to give you more cred again.  And if it was in your second post and not your original, that's even worse, because now you're just jumping onto other people's reads to make yourself seem more credible.

 

And thirdly for the NotBob thing, if I'm your only scum read that early in the game, that still doesn't mean you can assume I'm scum, and make an assumption based off of that.  And mafia avoiding each other, even in a large game, is completely plausible, especially when the thing they're avoiding is initial votes.  There is more reason for mafia not to vote their partners first, then to do so.

 

Deleting all of the nested quotes but what I'm actually replying to. 

 

A whole bunch of quotes and stuff, warning: large

 

 

 

 

Tommy's case on me, refutes

 

 

PLEASE STOP QUOTING THOSE HUGS WOTS. I CAN'T READ THEM ON MY PHONE. Spoiler them at least.

 

It's the opposite of what you said. I rarely see townies list themselves in their townlist. Your logic for calling him a town reads like writing him off rather than trying to discern his alignment. This is the second time you've defended Drunk with dubious logic.

 

TMI garnished with a fencesit. A fine dessert. For a wolf! [Do I sound like Mynd?]

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Rand[/v]

We can argue this both ways.  I can still argue that scum wouldn't do it since it would draw unneeded attention like the kind its drawing right now.  Both points are valid.  And I'm not blindly defending him, I am qualitatively observing him.  Literally right under I make a point about why I think he's scummy as well.

 

Also, just because I point out both sides of DT, townie and scummy, doesn't mean I'm fencesitting.  I am honestly unsure about him at this point.  However, on other people, I have made my position extremely clear, i.e. not fencesitting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

How can you say the bold when you literally said you're placing a townread on him because scum don't list themselves as town?  If you truly feel both sides are both (scum doesn't do it, town doesn't do it), that's null by the very definition.  Combined with you pointing out something scummy, I don't see how you could possibly reach a conclusion of him being town without already knowing his alignment.

 

Also underline completely goes against having a townread on him.

Kind of confused by what you mean here, but I used to have a townread on him, and not its a town lean due to the post I was commenting on.  So thats why the underline goes against having a townread on him, that's supposed to, its part of what made me switch my assessment on him.

 

 

You said you're not blindly defending him, but your reasoning for giving a townread was pretty weak.  I'll concede that it's not exactly a defense, in the sense that he wasn't necessarily being pushed/accused for anything, but I don't think you're "qualitatively observing" either. 

 

But just so we're clear here, you don't think he's town anymore, right?  That's what I'm taking away from your last statement.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

 

calling all scum...please identify yourself to claim a prize...

... Whats the prize?

 
Looks like we got one....
 
Unvote, Vote Lenlo

 
LETS ALL PILE ON RIGHT NOW!

This feels off.  I don't know how to describe it reallly, but it seems very forced.

In the way that it seems unduly exasperated? Yeah, I see it. But then we come back to "is improper emotion by default scummy or not", which is the crux of my beef with TG, and I don't have an answer yet. Gonna be a WIP for me as I try this out.

 

I don't see this as scummy but rather a product of site meta.  IIRC you should be aware of how emotionality is generally treated here.  

 

Also, what do you think about salami iff NB is scum?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

I liked the tone of Rand's commentary in blue, it has a sharpness to it.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]NotBob[/v]

 

Does anyone think this guy is town? If so, please help me see it.

 

 

lol...ur scum...u know it and i know it now.

[RandA lThor]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rebuttal to Vos's point again

 

 

My thought too. 

 

To Lenlo (I believe) who wanted me to explain more about my "reads list". At page 10 (or something) its just gut and tone reads. Who reads as more relaxed, who is forced, who is deliberatly trying not to look a certain way, who seems to be trying just a little too hard. Nothing to expand on, but felt it worth putting out there. I've learned to trust my gut D1, and now its saying Rand and Csarmi is top 2 for scum. Rand for making a point out of "sitting back and enjoying town bicker between themselves" and then flailing when called out on it. Csarmi/RTE for trying way too hard, first at trying to look relaxed and jokyey, then trying to fake scumhunt and prod prod prod. Then disappearing before prodding some more. 

 

Also think it's a tad too soon to go bitching about people not posting enough. They are probably online trying to scroll through the quotation-hell a couple of pages back. My brain is still trying to catch up on the WOTs. Hnnnghn. 

 

Once again, I'm not flailing.  I am defending myself and casing people at the same time.  Just because I am casing you doesn't mean I am flailing, and though it does look like an OMGUS, I put solid reasoning behind why I voted you.  When there's good reasoning, its not an OMGUS.

 

Wow OK done with that.

 

tl;dr

 

Votes are piling on me exactly as I called it, with bs 1 post explanations.

 

Lenlo is fake scumhunting, using obviously false reasons, and is at the top of my scum list.

 

Mynd's case on TG had holes, but overall, was still enough to have me see TG as scum.  His reaction was not that good either, but I have not read his reply to Mynd's case, so his read isn't as stable as others yet.

 

Vos has dropped on my scum list simply because other people have done more scummy things.  Also, don't think TG and Vos are on the same team.

 

Tommy is the most likely to be town, due to his fairly solid reasoning when voting me.

 

So townreads include Tommy and Mynd, DT is kind of leaning town, but as I said before unsure.

 

Scumreads include: Lenlo, TG, and Vos.

 

Are two of those voting me?  yes.  But I do doubt that both of them are town, simply because mafia doesn't want to all be on the early end of a starting train.

 

PS: As I expected I have too many quotes.  I'll try to split it up, my apologies if anything gets messed up in the middle.

 

 

 

To your "rebuttal": You have to be kidding? "While it might have LOOKED LIKE an OMGUS, it was in fact NOT because I had a solid reason behind it". What was that, "calling people scummy based on one post is scummy"? I'm really trying to believe you here, but you're making it really hard for me here. 

 

Also quotes like "town never ever ever states that they would never lynch someone on a certain day, simply because they are new to DM.  That's ridiculous." makes me feel worse on you. Together with "Yes, the same scumtell [popcorning, editors note] that I've been campaigning against.  I don't agree with it against me or Tommy.  Its supposed to be a funny post, and though it may be a little scummy, it is nowhere near as telling as you or Vos seems to think." Is really, really bad.  Its a little bit scummy, but not super-duper scummy so I'm campaigning(!!!) against it being used to vote me. Forreal?

 

You know, I'm thinking of giving you the benefit of the doubt just for the ridiculous amount of work your putting into it though. Phew!

 

For the first part, its not calling people scummy based on one post is scummy.  its voting people based off of one post is scummy.  If I ever got confused and said it the other way around, I retract that.  FoSing people based on one post is natural, its how you start getting your scumtells.  My problem with you and Lenlo is that both of you voted on it.

 

Secondly, do you not agree with my statement against TG?  Does anyone think that one person should be completely off the table for lynching just because he's new to DM?  And secondly, I'm campaigning against it because that kind of reasoning is leading to votes like yours and Lenlo's which can start trains and lynches.  That is something worth campaigning against, not just the difference between a little scummy and super-duper scummy.

 

The fact that you are actually going through my posts, and having what seems like an open mind though, is towntelling, so I'd say right now, you're more of a scum lean, than a scumread.

 

Yes Rand, I voted my first scumtell of the game on D1 because it was a good starting point and theres nothing wrong with that. Still is a good starting point.

 

To the bold: Oh nooooooo. Votes from players in a mafia game lead to trains and lynchs... I had never noticed this correlation in my 2 years of playing mafia here befooooooore. Seriously man, thats a silly point to make. If we vote you that means we are ok with/want you lynched. If our votes lead to trains and lynchs on you, cause its mafia, then good. Thats actually exactly in line with what we want. Thats why we are voting you.

 

Again, one post, especially a joke post, almost never warrants a vote.  Multiple posts or a general attitude do, but one post that can reasonably be credited to a different sense of humor should not warrant a vote.

 

And to the bold comment: My point wasn't that its bad for them to lead to trains and lynches.  My point is that I'm campaigning against this reasoning because it leads to wrong votes which will correspondingly lead to bad trains and mislynches.  That should be more specific.

 

 

 

/kicks door open

 

How the heck you boys doin?!

Sup AVM?

 

 

Deleting all rebuttals that I also mentioned in my analysis of Mynd's case to avoid "ditto".  Again, I am in bold and blue

*****MOD APPROVED EDIT***********I DID MY BEST TO FIX THE QUOTES BUT ALL THESE QUOTES ARE FROM MYND************

 

I'm taking out a bunch of the nested quotes.  You want them, go back and read them.

 

And now the appeal to Tommy pointing out someone elses early jokiness other than his own.

 

I'm engaging players because I know my only agenda is scumhunting.  What is your agenda?

 

I don't even think this responded to what he said.  Look at my case for a clearer argument against you for that  post, one that you can't respond with, I scumhunt bro, y u no scumhunt?

 

Darthe seems to be a heat magnet in most games, which makes him an easy target and scapegoat.  Darthe has barely posted this game and yet that seems to be enough for TG to consider him among the top 3 wolfiest players in the game?  And what happened to Kronos?

 

(heh.  The only GOAT Darthe seems to get is being a scapeGOAT! Hahahaha, I kill me!)

 

Darthe is wolfie for his BS reads that he popped in with.  Show me how he had helped town in any way by the time I made my list. 

 

Also, by applying your own logic to yourself, you must be saying you know Darthe is town with your joke.  How would you know that Mynd?  Only if you're scum. 

 

If I remember correctly, you also voted Darthe for this.  I understand that he may have been somewhat scummy, but again, one post votes?

 

Our Goodwill Ambassador of DM Mafia is not going to lynch Drunk Tank for any reason on D1.  Isn't that sweet?

 

No, I'm not.

 

K this changes my view of what you said before.   This isn't necessarily scummy or town as much as stupid.  You should never ever make an exception in a mafia game to not lynch someone.  If someone got a day cop report on him, he slipped and said he was mafia, or he did some extremely scummy things right in a row, would you go "Oh he's new here, lets go easy".  This is mafia.  Voting someone on their first day here, especially when they've played elsewhere, is not personal, its part of the game.  You making a blatant exception goes against mafia 101, as town or scum.

 

Then this....which gets NO explanation.

Lenlo, I need your help.

Now, less than 15 minutes later, Lenlo replies.  Its almost as if he knew Lenlo was online.  Kinda like they were working together in some other form of communication....like say a Mafia QT perhaps?  What did TG need help with?  A mildly funny gif....one that I believe was hastily used in a desperate attempt to explain why he really needed Lenlo.....to read the mafia QT.

 

This might be the stupidest thing you said.  You're saying I knew Lenlo was online because I posted this.  In the next sentence you're saying I needed him to get online to read the QT.  So I knew he was online which is why I posted this to try and get him online.  Are you taking logic lessons from Despo and Red? 

 

I agree with what you said, but just wanted to point out that this is ironic considering the above.

 

 

TG has waded in the spam with us for a lot longer in other games.  Why the sudden haste? Why the flip-floppy behavior? Guilty conscience?  And how is he really pushing any gameplay at this point?  Voting an inactive?  Kissing everyone's arses?

 

Yes, and wading through it is soul killing me.  It's fun....for a while, but everything in moderation.  Hence, some jokes, some gameplay.  Sorry you can't understand moderation.

 

I'd say you were higher than the average for number of joke posts and so on in this game.  That means that you can't suddenly change (especially after people have already started playing the game) and go, "STOP TOWN! Let me lead you to non spammy posts, because I want game play".  You're inflating the amount of things you've done for town, an action commonly done by scum.

 

TG gives Nyn the finger and calls her out for giving him a weak FOS.  For everyone's convienence, I colored and bolded the part where Nyn gives TGlems an FOS in her quoted quote.

 

You're a LLwL.  I called it a wanna-be FOS.  Insinuated without using the words.  Nice try.  You even used pretty colors to draw attention to how your placing all this into your narrative.

 

Point taken, I understood a wanna-be FOS as a blatant FOS that wasn't as strong.

 

And now, a warning to all of us lowly hethens who DARE consider TGlems as scum because they might have an agenda.  Vos is naturally #CHAINLOCKTOWNwithPADLOCK while we should be suspicious of players other than TG if we wanna be decent townies.  Read the following and try not to facepalm too much.

 

TG earlier states that he isn't going to vote Drunk Tank because he's new to DM.  Yet he fires off at Rand for calling out Vos for voting him and not knowing his game play.  Don't forget, he just finished warning us all that if we want to be decent townies, we need to be suspicious.

Then a defense of Vos which doesn't even begin to consider that Vos is Scummy McVosScum. 

 

Yeah, TG......I have an agenda in this game.  It's getting rid of all the scum. 

 

I figure I'd start with you.

 

I don't know why I'm arguing with you when you're doing such a good job of arguing with yourself.  Vos' alignment has nothing to do with Rand being right or not.  Rand is wrong on this one.  I could be attacking scum for all the wrong reasons.  Just because they are scum doesn't make my reasoning better.

 

And DT being new v. Rand and Vos not knowing playstyles are two completely different things.  You're conflating them, badly, to fit your narrative. 

 

And if you actually are town, then you aren't gonna be checking any boxes on your agenda.  Terribad case is terribad.

 

Once again, your stance on DT because he's new literally makes no sense from any viewpoint.  Now that I think of it, its even somewhat scummy, contrary to the null read that I stated before, because only mafia would state that they would never lynch someone.  It makes for a good mafia protecting town story.

 

On the other hand, town never ever ever states that they would never lynch someone on a certain day, simply because they are new to DM.  That's ridiculous.

 

 

 

Mynd, your scum team is TG and Lenlo? I think TG has some scum equity, but I don't think your "omg they're colluding!" theory you start that case with is very likely.

 

Often people say "hah did you plan that in scum chat?!" and that's almost never the case. I mean do you seriously plan out conversations in scum chat? I don't.

 

TG wanting less spam isn't scummy. Him being spammy while also deriding people for not being serious kind of is, though.

 

I give your case a 4/10. Might be right but probably for the wrong reasons. A lot of what you found scummy is actually semantics.

 

Except for the "scum equity" this is spot on.

 

Lol two things happened here.

 

1. You tried to take a viewpoint of someone and take it out of context by omitting anything bad about yourself and only presenting the good parts.

 

2. You didn't realize that you just accepted the fact that its scummy for you to be spammy while deriding people, and also the fact that Tommy said you might be scum.

 

 

 

 

But stay tuned for TG to shred my case to shreds by shredding it!!!!  When he gets back from [reason for delay] so he can start shredding!

 

If it was terribad, why not just say why now?

 

/me begins to hold breath.

 

It's called work.  I had a meeting and knew it would take time to properly ridicule respond to your "case".

 

I'd like to clarify before you respond the same way to my analysis of your reaction, that my beef with you is that in that post, you didn't mention a single thing, even in a quick phrase, that was wrong with Mynd.  If you had time to read Mynd's entire case, then you had time to post, his linking is bad, or ,he's thinking too much about joke posts.

 

*popcorn*

 

Wasn't the "popcorn" comment mentioned by Vos earlier about scumtell?

 

Yes, the same scumtell that I've been campaigning against.  I don't agree with it against me or Tommy.  Its supposed to be a funny post, and though it may be a little scummy, it is nowhere near as telling as you or Vos seems to think.

 

Mynd thinks TG is lock scum. Mynd's case on TG is a bit contrived but TG's reaction to it was bad. Considering I've agreed with Mynd several times so far ITG and I've noticed TG has felt a bit... erratic... I think we might have something here. But more due to unnatural emotional states than the semantics argument Mynd was forwarding.

 

Scummy follow-on to Mynd's bad case (that you yourself called bad) is scummy.  Ping.

 

I'm starting to think that the 2nd point up above is very correct.  Tommy basically said what I said in way fewer words and with less conviction.  Mynd's case has a lot of BS, but some parts are good, and you may be scum.

 

This btw is an OMGUS FOS.  Someone that I liked suddenly FoSed me, let me get back at them really quick and make up some reasoning that is completely false (although this time may have gave false reasoning unknowingly)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quick bit of fun to reenergize anyone reading over all my long posts.  Lol I love this part of the movie.  "If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball" :

 

Rand its not that you missed it, its that you avoided answering the actual questions thrown at you. You joked with them, you quoted them, but you didnt actually /answer/ them. Your also missing the point where I supported Tommy's reasoning for voting you. 

 

For the NotBob thing I said may. May being the key word. You were my only scum read at that point in the reread, D1, so of course im going to be focused on you. And mafia wouldnt touch a teammate with a 10ft pole to avoid linking? Please in a game this small thats a non issue. Mafia have to interact with each other in some way in a game this size.

 

And you can call the reasoning false all you want, it doesnt make it so. 

Ok.  With the whole answers thing, I'm not just saying its false, it is.  If you want to make it true, find posts of people asking me questions, and me answering them jokingly or not answering them but quoting them.  The only time I've done that is with NotBob's vote which I originally thought was a joke, and if I've done it anywhere else, I've missed it.

 

Secondly, if I missed it, it was probably a one-liner to give you more cred again.  And if it was in your second post and not your original, that's even worse, because now you're just jumping onto other people's reads to make yourself seem more credible.

 

And thirdly for the NotBob thing, if I'm your only scum read that early in the game, that still doesn't mean you can assume I'm scum, and make an assumption based off of that.  And mafia avoiding each other, even in a large game, is completely plausible, especially when the thing they're avoiding is initial votes.  There is more reason for mafia not to vote their partners first, then to do so.

 

Deleting all of the nested quotes but what I'm actually replying to. 

 

A whole bunch of quotes and stuff, warning: large

 

 

 

 

Tommy's case on me, refutes

 

 

PLEASE STOP QUOTING THOSE HUGS WOTS. I CAN'T READ THEM ON MY PHONE. Spoiler them at least.

 

It's the opposite of what you said. I rarely see townies list themselves in their townlist. Your logic for calling him a town reads like writing him off rather than trying to discern his alignment. This is the second time you've defended Drunk with dubious logic.

 

TMI garnished with a fencesit. A fine dessert. For a wolf! [Do I sound like Mynd?]

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Rand[/v]

We can argue this both ways.  I can still argue that scum wouldn't do it since it would draw unneeded attention like the kind its drawing right now.  Both points are valid.  And I'm not blindly defending him, I am qualitatively observing him.  Literally right under I make a point about why I think he's scummy as well.

 

Also, just because I point out both sides of DT, townie and scummy, doesn't mean I'm fencesitting.  I am honestly unsure about him at this point.  However, on other people, I have made my position extremely clear, i.e. not fencesitting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

How can you say the bold when you literally said you're placing a townread on him because scum don't list themselves as town?  If you truly feel both sides are both (scum doesn't do it, town doesn't do it), that's null by the very definition.  Combined with you pointing out something scummy, I don't see how you could possibly reach a conclusion of him being town without already knowing his alignment.

 

Also underline completely goes against having a townread on him.

Kind of confused by what you mean here, but I used to have a townread on him, and not its a town lean due to the post I was commenting on.  So thats why the underline goes against having a townread on him, that's supposed to, its part of what made me switch my assessment on him.

 

 

You said you're not blindly defending him, but your reasoning for giving a townread was pretty weak.  I'll concede that it's not exactly a defense, in the sense that he wasn't necessarily being pushed/accused for anything, but I don't think you're "qualitatively observing" either. 

 

But just so we're clear here, you don't think he's town anymore, right?  That's what I'm taking away from your last statement.

 

No, I have a town lean on him.  Basically, if pressed, I'd say he is town, but right now its not strong enough to be called a townread, and not nearly to locktown or whatever you guys call that.  

[nervositee]

trim quotes please please please 

[RandA lThor]

sry keep forgetting

[nervositee]

forgiven

 

to flesh out one of the quotes of yours I mentioned btw - about Drunk - I actually do believe it's fair to give a first-time-on-DM-player a (more or less) free pass through Day 1. Of course not if he says "But that's what Csarmi said in the QT" - but yeah. More or less. But thats a different discussion, and a discussion scum would want us to have. (while they sit in their corner eating popcorn!!!!!!!!!)

[nervositee]

 

 

 

 Looks like we got one....

 

Unvote, Vote Lenlo

 

LETS ALL PILE ON RIGHT NOW!

This feels off.  I don't know how to describe it reallly, but it seems very forced.

In the way that it seems unduly exasperated? Yeah, I see it. But then we come back to "is improper emotion by default scummy or not", which is the crux of my beef with TG, and I don't have an answer yet. Gonna be a WIP for me as I try this out.

 

 

I'm also saddened that sarcasm is an improper emotion.

 

Alot of meta-talk (not anyones meta - but "how to play the game"-meta) going on this game. This is why I go after the popcorn-people. The best tactic for scum D1 is to let - and gently nudge if necessary - town tear itself up. Nudge townies against eachother. Not only have you got a real nice mislynch D1 but you got some great linking-material for upcoming days. 

 

This is also making me reconsider Rand. After some initial flailing and over-defensivness he has refused to keep his head down in trying to clear himself. 

 

[unvote]

 

Now who said popcorn?

[nervositee]

Coming for you! 

 

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

When did sour become and improper taste...it is what it is...no?

[nervositee]

This might be too erratic even for me, but let's see what happens

 

[v]Tommy[/v]

[RandA lThor]

forgiven

 

to flesh out one of the quotes of yours I mentioned btw - about Drunk - I actually do believe it's fair to give a first-time-on-DM-player a (more or less) free pass through Day 1. Of course not if he says "But that's what Csarmi said in the QT" - but yeah. More or less. But thats a different discussion, and a discussion scum would want us to have. (while they sit in their corner eating popcorn!!!!!!!!!)

I would argue with you on this if I didn't feel like you were correct on what scum wanted.

 

 

 

 

 

 Looks like we got one....

 

Unvote, Vote Lenlo

 

LETS ALL PILE ON RIGHT NOW!

This feels off.  I don't know how to describe it reallly, but it seems very forced.

In the way that it seems unduly exasperated? Yeah, I see it. But then we come back to "is improper emotion by default scummy or not", which is the crux of my beef with TG, and I don't have an answer yet. Gonna be a WIP for me as I try this out.

 

 

I'm also saddened that sarcasm is an improper emotion.

 

Alot of meta-talk (not anyones meta - but "how to play the game"-meta) going on this game. This is why I go after the popcorn-people. The best tactic for scum D1 is to let - and gently nudge if necessary - town tear itself up. Nudge townies against eachother. Not only have you got a real nice mislynch D1 but you got some great linking-material for upcoming days. 

 

This is also making me reconsider Rand. After some initial flailing and over-defensivness he has refused to keep his head down in trying to clear himself. 

 

[unvote]

 

Now who said popcorn?

 

I agree with you on what scum wants to do, but if someone posts that out loud, then its just a WIFOM game of town and scum.  Looking for the people who don't necessarily post it, but do it, is much better.

 

 

This might be too erratic even for me, but let's see what happens

 

[v]Tommy[/v]

Ehh, don't agree.  This does make me think Vos is more town though, weak beat the grass attempt.

[Lenlo]

Rand thats the thing. Your calling it a joke vote, the rest of us are calling it something else hidden as a joke vote.