Sherlock Holmes Role Madness Mafia Town wins

[csarmi]

No I'm saying that he called all his teammates as scum in one post.

[Turin Turambar]

 

I don't see what the timing has to do with anything.

 

I also don't see what the symp flip has to do with anything irt Ithi/Rags. What you saying that Thane gave a signal that the mafia picked up on? Not buying it. But w/e. You doing a good job spinning things for your team.

 

Why do you think Thane would self hammer as mafia symp? that doesn't make much sense to me. I am having a wonder about that.

The timing means I wouldn't have been able to discuss with team.or check anything.

 

Anyway.

 

The symp flip means that Thane likely knew the Mafia team... And my take is that yes he would have been stupid enough to signal them that way.

 

See what I quoted. Or rather, start reading from page one.

 

Timing: means nothing. You could have decide on your own it was time to do it. or the team could have been on QT immediately and it went something like. Csarmi, if you claimed Miller straight away I bet people would buy it. And you went okay. Why not I don't have much time to devote to the game anyway. This would literally take two minutes. So more trying to make yourself obviously town when you are anything but confirmed is pinging like crazy.

 

When I was a symp in a game Basel modded, I didn't know anything about my team. So I don't see how you are saying it is likely Thane knew his teammates. I would say if he had information it would be more likely that he knew their roles as it is more cryptic. Which makes it funny that Chae piped up with the thought Thane could have a role that would know information about the game after he had claimed VT. And then defended Thane all the more. 

[csarmi]

Oh gods that? I said it long ago, that is not a reads list so much as it is a "Im doing something look at me" list.

Yup. But he flipped symp since.

[TheRagnarok]

 

 

What analysis?  He is in desperation mode and is trying to reach for anything at this moment.  The only possible town thing he has going for him is his 'claim' which means nothing. 

 

If you do find his analysis important, then tell me what actual aspects you find worth paying attention to.

 

 

Why do you think he is flailing?

 

He is on the right track trying to look at the symp link and where he was trying to signal. What is it that you don't agree with (other than the fact that he names you scum)?

 

First of all, he is one of the people I named as scum along with Thane and Chae when I first joined the game and started reading.  So he is attacking his attacker.

 

Secondly, with the connections between himself, Thane and Chae...he knows that they are in a tight spot.

 

Third, his thread play has been hilariously scummy with his only perceived townie point being his claim which could be(and I think is) utter bull.

 

Fourth, a number of people have already connected the dots between those 3 and he knows it. 

 

Fifth, he is insinuating that Thane named all of his scummates as town in a single post. 

 

As scum in one post, not town.

[Pralaya]

 

 

What analysis?  He is in desperation mode and is trying to reach for anything at this moment.  The only possible town thing he has going for him is his 'claim' which means nothing. 

 

If you do find his analysis important, then tell me what actual aspects you find worth paying attention to.

 

 

Why do you think he is flailing?

 

He is on the right track trying to look at the symp link and where he was trying to signal. What is it that you don't agree with (other than the fact that he names you scum)?

 

First of all, he is one of the people I named as scum along with Thane and Chae when I first joined the game and started reading.  So he is attacking his attacker.

 

Secondly, with the connections between himself, Thane and Chae...he knows that they are in a tight spot.

 

Third, his thread play has been hilariously scummy with his only perceived townie point being his claim which could be(and I think is) utter bull.

 

Fourth, a number of people have already connected the dots between those 3 and he knows it. 

 

Fifth, he is insinuating that Thane named all of his scummates as town in a single post. 

 

 

1. Irrelevant. He is not doing it without reasons. He is making a point and his read is based on that

2. Possible. 

3. Subjective. I didn;t find it so.

4. I would have expected a different reaction in that case. Not trying to look into clues.

5. Possible too. Thane isn't exactly an experienced player and this is probably his 3rd or 4th game. And, quite possibly his first symp.

[Turin Turambar]

 

quick post of thoughts, in general and from memory:

 

1. Thrax: townlean for the moment. solid, well thought of, explanatory posting.

2. Len: no idea... chae's gut feeling is usually right, but i haven't seen anything of him recently to believe he might be scum.

3. Mynd: yeah, still keeping my vote there. Call it bussing, i think there's a scummer right there.

4. Dawn: null, not in the game

5. Tina: started to get more active, which is good.

6. Turin: from what i saw, got a townfeel for him.

7. Despo: mixed feeling about that one. Could be scum, could be town... certainly wants me gone..

8. Hally: not much to go after... would've expected more by now (and not only sheeping on the obv target)

9. Chae: are gut feelings enough for a lynch? i dunno, i doubt it. But gut feelings can be right. Town for you for the moment.

10. Ithi: strongest townread in here.

11. Thane: is even town, yup (even if he has a really odd way to show it)

12. Tsuki: townread for now.

13. Dice: LD impression in this game, though didn't like the interaction with BFG.

14. Charis/BFG: Comes in with a focus on the obvious target, being me. Get the feeling she's going for an easy lynch with me. Scummy tingle.

15. Pral:made a few posts, soft claimed town PR, then vanished. Doubt it has to do with DM weekend

16. Salami: claimed miller fast: Follows Chae without further investigation.... have some problems buying his story

"Read list"

 

So Mynd (who flipped town)

BFG who cc'ed him

Despo 

Len

 

Are his team? And you are looking at Rags right now...  

[csarmi]

Loving the sudden surge in activity.

 

@ Pral - your thought has merit, in my book.

 

@ CS - I still say we drop Chak, regardless of your read. "To close to this case" is what you would be told, were you a cop.

Explain?

[csarmi]

Turin, read the earlier post I quoted.

 

Plus check how he changed his reads.

 

Other than that... Not sure what to tell you except... Read pages 1 thru 20.

[TheRagnarok]

 

 

 

What analysis?  He is in desperation mode and is trying to reach for anything at this moment.  The only possible town thing he has going for him is his 'claim' which means nothing. 

 

If you do find his analysis important, then tell me what actual aspects you find worth paying attention to.

 

 

Why do you think he is flailing?

 

He is on the right track trying to look at the symp link and where he was trying to signal. What is it that you don't agree with (other than the fact that he names you scum)?

 

First of all, he is one of the people I named as scum along with Thane and Chae when I first joined the game and started reading.  So he is attacking his attacker.

 

Secondly, with the connections between himself, Thane and Chae...he knows that they are in a tight spot.

 

Third, his thread play has been hilariously scummy with his only perceived townie point being his claim which could be(and I think is) utter bull.

 

Fourth, a number of people have already connected the dots between those 3 and he knows it. 

 

Fifth, he is insinuating that Thane named all of his scummates as town in a single post. 

 

 

1. Irrelevant. He is not doing it without reasons. He is making a point and his read is based on that

2. Possible. 

3. Subjective. I didn;t find it so.

4. I would have expected a different reaction in that case. Not trying to look into clues.

5. Possible too. Thane isn't exactly an experienced player and this is probably his 3rd or 4th game. And, quite possibly his first symp.

 

1.  His 'reason' is that Thane named all his teammates as scum which is a number of people yet attacks someone who has called him scum and says his claim is likely bull.

2.  Ok

3.  Then we have different definitions of what is and isn't scummy.

4.  What reaction would you have expected?  Attacking his attacker on the most hilarious of 'charges'?

5.  An inexperienced player is much much less likely to do that.  They don't have the balls or ability to pull that off. 

[csarmi]

Tina.

 

Then Len, Ithi, Despo

[csarmi]

Rags you're burying yourself. See I'm quite sure you aren't town there and your reaction is just worse.

 

You're arguing interpretation that don't fit you cause you're sunk... Instead of grabbing your own. I know your read capabilities and catch up power.

 

You know how likely would anyone who remotely knows you find that you'd be arguing here like this instead of go power through the thread again and check the symp?

 

Null?

[Tsukibana]

 

Loving the sudden surge in activity.

 

@ Pral - your thought has merit, in my book.

 

@ CS - I still say we drop Chak, regardless of your read. "To close to this case" is what you would be told, were you a cop.

Explain?

 

That Len mentioning 3 scum in a 16 man game could have been a slip based on how many people were on his team. I had assumed 3-4, but I had left room for a symp (could dig up post if you want?).

 

Chak needs to die. You are too close. Don't feel bad. I said the same thing to Chae about Thane, and would say the same to Turin if I though Ithi was scum. Besides, sometimes Town has to die to provide information. Winning matters, not surviving until the end. If I had my druthers, though, I would drop Hallia in a heartbeat. I still say she is Boss Scum JoaT/GF.

[csarmi]

Why would that mean Chak needs to die?

 

Cause I've read her town?

 

What's your take on me?

[Turin Turambar]

 

so, yeah, i'm calling BS on Ithi's reasoning. Says she plays every game as every game, i keep getting the same crap from her and it's annoying me. I'm always read as scum by a lot of people, it's my playstyle and she knows it. Last game, Ithi called me scum, i was lynched D1 (with selfvote) and flipped... town. Wow, what a surprise.

 

Ithi: tunnelvision, BS reasoning, likely scum. If you're town, go hunt for real and not lynch another townie again.

 

Hence, Des: follows Ithi easily, no investigation of his own = possible scum

 

And Len, waiting to hammer, Possible scum too.

 

I'll go play in my other current game, it's more fun than this one.

Scum team?

 

This post?

 

I would be willing to consider Len for sure due to his posting during the 1v1 on D1. Also the battle with Chae when neither were really likely for lynch looks very distancing at this point. The point on Despo was actually valid he had been following at that point. The fact that he tripped onto the symp possibility also pings a bit of TMI but that is still tinfoil at this point. Ithi is Town and your trying to spin anything otherwise is just making me doubt everything else you are saying.  

[Tsukibana]

Why would that mean Chak needs to die?

 

Cause I've read her town?

 

What's your take on me?

 Less scummy than Hallia and Chae, more than Pral (my final read). So far, i haven't seen anything to change my mind, and you have refused to do so in the past.

[csarmi]

Funny Turin.

 

Cause I'm that sure of Chae myself.

 

I'm quite convinced I'm right on both accounts. But we can work from here.

[Turin Turambar]

Not seeing your point on Tina. You want to use a lynch on someone because Thane mentioned her. Give me more than that please. 

[csarmi]

Not seeing your point on Tina. You want to use a lynch on someone because Thane mentioned her. Give me more than that please.

Read the game. Make your own analysis. I'm going through from phone and won't be able to ISO or even get through.

 

I'm saying the way he mentioned her there does seem suspicious.

[TheRagnarok]

Rags you're burying yourself. See I'm quite sure you aren't town there and your reaction is just worse.

 

You're arguing interpretation that don't fit you cause you're sunk... Instead of grabbing your own. I know your read capabilities and catch up power.

 

You know how likely would anyone who remotely knows you find that you'd be arguing here like this instead of go power through the thread again and check the symp?

 

Null?

It is very cute how you think I'm burying myself. 

 

Your sole point is that Thane listed his entire scum team in a single post.  Which is lolarious. 

 

And now you think, based on a few games, exactly how I would handle this situation?  That may be the funniest thing you've said so far.  Especially being as I did a lot of reading last night, you can see who I was able to go through so I could reach my own conclusions.  Thane was already on my scum list and there wasn't much, if any, doubt in my mind what he would flip.  He was pretty awful.(And before you go all, "Oh, so you knew!".  Just stop.)  So I was able to read with that assumption in mind.  But good try.

[Turin Turambar]

Funny Turin.

 

Cause I'm that sure of Chae myself.

 

I'm quite convinced I'm right on both accounts. But we can work from here.

Well like I said I am pretty sure you are mafia so.. Maybe not working together too much.

[Tsukibana]

 

So, i'm here and will comment a bit:

 

Yes Ithi, i was at work, i have notifications but no DM access.

 

someone missed me joking, so here it is: Dammit Csarmi, you ruined my groove and now i can't claim Miller anymore! *shakefist*

 

And, i am not scum, i haven't even been provided with a PR... i'm a plain townie. So much for Role madness.... or they got afraid i might vig townies again like in my last game (whoa, another joke!) I do believe Role madness here would indicate at least one JOAT on each side, mafia definately with a GF, and one (perhaps 2) third party/parties.

 

I love the attention, but for scum we need to look elsewhere.... i have a crazy theory, but i'll need to investigate that before i put it out. I do think however that one of the lurkers (at least one) is scum hiding for the moment. eeny meeny miny mo... random guess Tina, but i could be wrong... it's still D1 and we need some of the lurkers to post here to get some reads.

 

My view on the X-files: i think X would be more worried if his train got bigger. What i see here is townies going after eachother, no real mafia in there...

 

Ithi is town, from what i can tell. So are the people 'defending' me, from my pov.

 

and now, seeing i hurt my back last weekend, i will go to bed soon

 

 

 

first: congrats Des, your first?

 

second: i've been reading my notifications and the dogpile on me is getting bigger. Still for shady reasons.

 

i've got better things to do than jump in here all the time when people demand i say something. 

 

i randomly picked Tina, which should've been obvious with the eeny meenie thing  *shrugs*

 

unvote dice

 

vote Mynd

 

no idea why you're ok lynching town. Taking advantage of an existing train imo. Ithi needs to stop her bulldogging on nonscum. If she won't listen, then she's a candidate as well. 

 

I also fail to see why i get all the crap for saying i'm not scum, and Pral is getting away softclaiming a town PR and doesn't get any further investigation.

 

Then there are so many people not posting in this game, maybe they all sit back, let townies fight and kill eachother, and they come in later for the NK.

 

Mynd, Ithi, and then, yes, i said it before, in the lurkers you will find scum more than likely.

 

questions? i might or might not answer... depends on who asks

 

 

quick post of thoughts, in general and from memory:

 

1. Thrax: townlean for the moment. solid, well thought of, explanatory posting.

2. Len: no idea... chae's gut feeling is usually right, but i haven't seen anything of him recently to believe he might be scum.

3. Mynd: yeah, still keeping my vote there. Call it bussing, i think there's a scummer right there.

4. Dawn: null, not in the game

5. Tina: started to get more active, which is good.

6. Turin: from what i saw, got a townfeel for him.

7. Despo: mixed feeling about that one. Could be scum, could be town... certainly wants me gone..

8. Hally: not much to go after... would've expected more by now (and not only sheeping on the obv target)

9. Chae: are gut feelings enough for a lynch? i dunno, i doubt it. But gut feelings can be right. Town for you for the moment.

10. Ithi: strongest townread in here.

11. Thane: is even town, yup (even if he has a really odd way to show it)

12. Tsuki: townread for now.

13. Dice: LD impression in this game, though didn't like the interaction with BFG.

14. Charis/BFG: Comes in with a focus on the obvious target, being me. Get the feeling she's going for an easy lynch with me. Scummy tingle.

15. Pral:made a few posts, soft claimed town PR, then vanished. Doubt it has to do with DM weekend 

16. Salami: claimed miller fast: Follows Chae without further investigation.... have some problems buying his story

 

 

So, yeah... i thought Des might come and go after me again. But if the main reason is that my claimed character is not likely to be VT because.... oh... wait.... didn't we have a thunderdome about that already? Didn't we lose a townie already because of that? I even agree that my general gameplay can be seen as scummy, it's the same in every game. But i can assure you, i'm not scum in this game.

 

i don't know if there are any LD's out there, but i will type: Thane is scum. Feel free to verify whenever you like.

 

Also, Chae could well be hiding behind me, trying to have more towncred for defending me. I do doubt that she is scum though. (Also, she will have to bail soon due to RL work issues )

 

Between Tina and Csarmi.... i dunno. I still have some doubts about Csarmi's miller claim, so either he or Tina are scum imo.

 

I agree that Len doesn't look too good recently.... Still need to recheck Turin if he's possible scum fishing for towncred while supporting Ithi... haven't made up my mind about that.

 

Ithi is still town to me, Hallia is town too, as is Des.

 

Tsuki: nobody trusts you... ever.... whichis good, we should all be a bit paranoid in a mafia game... null leaning town though.

 

as for  dice 2.0: need to reread X.. and welcome back into the game

 

All posts where Thane mentions Tina - funny, he also hints at you, CS.

[csarmi]

Yea Tsuki I got the advantage there as I know I'm town... But see how I was main topic (where he has to react and just read how he does its golden) but Tina comes out of the blue.

[csarmi]

 

 

Funny Turin.

 

Cause I'm that sure of Chae myself.

 

I'm quite convinced I'm right on both accounts. But we can work from here.

Well like I said I am pretty sure you are mafia so.. Maybe not working together too much.

Yea well I'm town. Work from there and see where you get.

 

Or work from me bring Mafia... Just reread.

[Turin Turambar]

No time for rereading. Just found out I have to go out of town again for the next 3 days at least.  I need to get to getting my stuff ready to go. But I will give a thought for the road as it were.

 

Why would Thane self vote twice? and self hammer when he is mafia? Symps often have unusual recruiting mechanisms. One that would fit very nicely into this scenario would be that the recruit (Adler) had to be pardoned by the Governor (King o' Bohemia, Who happens to be her old bf).So Thane knows he needs to get lynched in order to get recruited. Hallia may have 1 or 2 shots at it. If she saves the symp they join the team fully. However, either Hallia herself or the team in masse decide that it was too risky and would make her look too bad in everyone's eye. So she cut him loose for town cred. 

 

Csarmi, would you say that Hallia has been more talkative than usual this game? Anyone else who feels strongly about that can chime in also. 

[csarmi]

Turin I find Hally somewhat off and it works me a little that she keeps me-too'ing me.

 

But my gut says she's town.

 

Aren't you biased from your Mynd/Hally gambit idea? You know they been in no communication.