[Standard] - Hitchhiker's Game to the Galaxy - Game Over

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

So yes, this will be the thing with you for this game. You've been more pro-town since, so that's good.

I have yet to do a thing this game that wasn't pro-town, whether you can see it or not.

 

I think some people misunderstood, I'll elaborate more on the Des thing when I am home from work, but I do not have you in that group of potential misunderstanders, as you've had little-to-no interest in actually discerning my alignment and you are basically just sheeping the thoughts of a dead (and irt to me, wrong) townie.

 

I have one goal: find and lynch Mafia. I will do anything I need to get there. Stand in my way at your own peril.

 

 

Orly?  I was harassing you well before Clov ever did, so let's put that one to rest now.  I've been trying to figure out your alignment from the very beginning.  I was initially suspicious that Clov was feeding on that and was making those points against you in an effort to further my (and a few others') beliefs re: your play this game.  Now that he's confirmed town, it has indeed made me rethink where I was at on you.

 

You've since been playing pro-town, so don't undo all that with idle threats.  That's just silly talk.

 

 

Harassing /= trying to discern my alignment

 

You were mostly just trying to throw dirt on me for being vocal about my early reads in a way that was non-conductive and telling me that if I continued such behavior I would be "potentially left out of the town power group" or some weird semantic post like that

 

And kept saying that if you were a townread of mine I should be concerned that we don't share the same townread or something, which is nothing I can help in any way shape or form

 

IDWIW

[Verbal32]

 

 

 

 

ISO on Verb done. Still not feeling too great about him either. Comes into the game cranky (claims its carryover from another game), focuses alot on Cory, then gets cranky again from the Des/Cory-fight (a cranky within a cranky - I'm afraid if I comment on this I'll end up in limbo). Soft-fos'es/nudges me for pointing out weekend inactivity. Nothing too tangible yet, but somewhere to keep our eyes.

 

This.....doesn't say anything.  Almost literally.  Nothing tangible yet.....then why even make the post?  To say something without actually saying something?  That I was cranky coming into the game has zero relevance on this game.  The bold almost sounds like you're doubting a claim of mine that has no impact on this game.  Why bother, then?  The weekend activity comment is another example of your M.O. this game - to post things that either have no relevance on the game, or say something without actually saying something.

 

 

 

Well, the main reason I posted it was to follow up my stated intention to ISO you. I said I would, I did and thus reported, even if looking through your post I didn't find much tangible either way. Re: the bold part was just how I phrased it. I don't doubt it. 

 

 

Sounds more like you wanted to try and find scummy stuff about me to case, found nothing, and then decided to go with the above.  Your post wants to keep suspicion on me, and offers no possible avenue for me to be town.  It is a FoS with an agenda, basically.  No bueno.

 

 

Where did you get agenda from? 

 

I ISOed you and didn't find much tangible either way. Even now you are playing with other peoples read. Which is fine, but it means that from your posts - the main thing I can discern is tone. So I based it off tone. Which I find strange. But not enough to go on for now, hence my conclusion above. 

 

 

Do you know what "proper tone" should be, or are you using a buzz word that Tommy/Cory brought in from another site that plays mafia very differently from us?

 

As for agenda - you want to find me scummy, but you couldn't find evidence in your ISO.....so you conclude with keeping suspicion on me and suggesting people be wary, but don't provide actual proof of why they would need to.

[Cory Caboose]

And LOL at you getting to decide when I have "undone" being pro-town by not smiling along with you. You aren't the authority of what is and isn't town - gun to my head I would guess you aren't town period.

[Cory Caboose]

[Verbal32]

And LOL at you getting to decide when I have "undone" being pro-town by not smiling along with you. You aren't the authority of what is and isn't town - gun to my head I would guess you aren't town period.

 

Actually, I am.  I'm a townie, which makes me one of X (X = the number of townies in this game) people who have the authority to decide what is and isn't town.  Gun to your head and I'd say the trigger should be pulled.  ;-)

 

 

 

 

 

You would be Elaine in that gif, right?

[Verbal32]

Harassing /= trying to discern my alignment

 

You were mostly just trying to throw dirt on me for being vocal about my early reads in a way that was non-conductive and telling me that if I continued such behavior I would be "potentially left out of the town power group" or some weird semantic post like that

 

And kept saying that if you were a townread of mine I should be concerned that we don't share the same townread or something, which is nothing I can help in any way shape or form

 

IDWIW

 

I'm not sure if you're attempting to drag me into an argument with you or not.  I was questioning you before - not throwing dirt.  It was conducive to me trying to figure out your alignment, as I said before.

 

And LOL @ you for calling the town power group talk semantic.  That doesn't even make sense for using the term 'semantics'.

[Verbal32]

I'm happy to try working with you to find scum.  But don't be all upset that I'm extremely suspicious of you at this point.  You seem to get offended when people disagree, which is silly.  It's all good - be happy.

[Cory Caboose]

 

And LOL at you getting to decide when I have "undone" being pro-town by not smiling along with you. You aren't the authority of what is and isn't town - gun to my head I would guess you aren't town period.

 

Actually, I am.  I'm a townie, which makes me one of X (X = the number of townies in this game) people who have the authority to decide what is and isn't town.  Gun to your head and I'd say the trigger should be pulled.  ;-)

 

 

"Being a townie" does not make you the arbitrator of villageriness. I am not going to change how I play to please you - it is never going to happen. If you think I am Mafia, you need to make a case on me and get some votes on me at some point because you are boring me. At least Tina is actually saying things - she's probably a villager for being willing to take a stand on me, even if it's a wrong one that I fail to comprehend ATM.

 

Mafia have a long-standing habit of trying to muddle my process without actually getting @ me. I don't really care what you think is "pro-town" behavior, I do what I know how to do and I've been effective in that regard. All I really remember of you this game is your constant flips from a wishy-washy conciliatory tone to being utterly unreasonable in regards to what you think is the proper Mafia gameplay behavior. We are not in agreement. I'm moving forward and I hope I can stop working 18 hour days and speedfinish my reread so I can get my thoughts out there before EOD.

 

If I have a Deadline Vote, it's on Hallia, but no need to rush the phase.

[nervositee]

Do you know what "proper tone" should be, or are you using a buzz word that Tommy/Cory brought in from another site that plays mafia very differently from us?

 

As for agenda - you want to find me scummy, but you couldn't find evidence in your ISO.....so you conclude with keeping suspicion on me and suggesting people be wary, but don't provide actual proof of why they would need to.

 

 

 

Tone is tone. Tone is everything about how you play that is not direct gameplay, in my book. No idea why you pursue this at this point either. Might have to fetch Verb, he doesn't like semantics. 

 

I don't find you scummy. Never said. From what I've read I'll keep an eye out because I'm not 100% on your townness either. 

[Cory Caboose]

I'm happy to try working with you to find scum.  But don't be all upset that I'm extremely suspicious of you at this point.  You seem to get offended when people disagree, which is silly.  It's all good - be happy.

 

If people have good reasons to disagree with me, that's fine. For example, I did a whole bunch of #werk to solidify my Thane!Townread day 1, including reading a chunk of two other games to get perspective and compare him tonally/in terms of threadflow. Des responded to this by voting Thane, FoSing me as a potential Thane teammate, and then ba-boom there was trouble.

Today, Des presented a reasonable Thane!Scum case. It looks like my GOAT townreading abilities remain pretty GOAT, but I wasn't going to be mad at Des for doing #werk.

[Cory Caboose]

 

Harassing /= trying to discern my alignment

 

You were mostly just trying to throw dirt on me for being vocal about my early reads in a way that was non-conductive and telling me that if I continued such behavior I would be "potentially left out of the town power group" or some weird semantic post like that

 

And kept saying that if you were a townread of mine I should be concerned that we don't share the same townread or something, which is nothing I can help in any way shape or form

 

IDWIW

 

I'm not sure if you're attempting to drag me into an argument with you or not.  I was questioning you before - not throwing dirt.  It was conducive to me trying to figure out your alignment, as I said before.

 

And LOL @ you for calling the town power group talk semantic.  That doesn't even make sense for using the term 'semantics'.

 

 

First: that's fine, we don't need to argue about. I just don't necessarily believe you, as I don't think you made a particularly notable effort to discern my alignment and you've misrepped me since. IE, I remember you saying "well, your blowup at Des was early Day 1" in response to the idea I was a consensus townread Day 1. The truth is, that happened around like... page 40, and I was pretty sure I had like 200 posts at the time. It was not miniscule.

[Cory Caboose]

Second, my "town power" group is the people I think are townies. That's basically it - the more likely I think you are town, the more I am going to hold your opinion as a weighted one and the more I will generally reach out to you.

I have no interest in being a part of "someone else's" group - that's not my take on the concept. The group has no "members", there is no real "#alliance", it's just townies willing to be loud and communicative with eachother. Sometimes they even have differing opinions on things - that's fine, players play differently, nobody has to play like a CorTom, that's never been the way I approached "proper Mafia" play. Everyone is unique, it's figuring out how they think that is the part of the game that is A) difficult and B) addicting

[Leelou]

Verbal is town. 

[Verbal32]

Second, my "town power" group is the people I think are townies. That's basically it - the more likely I think you are town, the more I am going to hold your opinion as a weighted one and the more I will generally reach out to you.

I have no interest in being a part of "someone else's" group - that's not my take on the concept. The group has no "members", there is no real "#alliance", it's just townies willing to be loud and communicative with eachother. Sometimes they even have differing opinions on things - that's fine, players play differently, nobody has to play like a CorTom, that's never been the way I approached "proper Mafia" play. Everyone is unique, it's figuring out how they think that is the part of the game that is A) difficult and B) addicting

 

NOW we are speaking the same language.  Perhaps I needed you to spell it out, but I've been wondering how you perceived that.  Thank you for clearing it up.

[Cory Caboose]

Then Leelou was all like

 

[Verbal32]

 

Do you know what "proper tone" should be, or are you using a buzz word that Tommy/Cory brought in from another site that plays mafia very differently from us?

 

As for agenda - you want to find me scummy, but you couldn't find evidence in your ISO.....so you conclude with keeping suspicion on me and suggesting people be wary, but don't provide actual proof of why they would need to.

 

 

 

Tone is tone. Tone is everything about how you play that is not direct gameplay, in my book. No idea why you pursue this at this point either. Might have to fetch Verb, he doesn't like semantics. 

 

I don't find you scummy. Never said. From what I've read I'll keep an eye out because I'm not 100% on your townness either. 

 

 

Haha, good answer!

[Verbal32]

^ when I reread that post of mine, I said "crap, I just did something I tell others not to do", lol

 

 

Do as I say, and not as I do?  Does that work?

[Thane Vakarian]

works for me

[Leelou]

Actually

 

[unvote]

 

[v]RTE[/v]

[Leelou]

Could also go for Lazy again. 

[Pralaya]

I tend to disagree Verb. I intentionally have been playing as scummy as I knew how, because I know how most people as scum tend to interact with me. They tend to let town make the initial cases and push me, wait til a couple of townies join in, and then consolidate, then when I flip they're like "oh, that's just how Hally normally plays"

 

So I'm not super suspicious of the people on me ATM, but I'm very suspicious of the people ignoring me/saying its null. And now also you.

 

Alright, I misunderstood this initially.

 

But, the bold sounded a bit odd and familiar.

I went back to Real Genius mafia and this is  what you said when you revealed as doc "I always try to play a little scummy as doc because it guarantees I don't get NKd 

"

 

Of course, in that game you were town and I can totally understand your reasons for hiding PR. But, this game you are a vanilla town, as you yourself claimed, and what you are saying essentially doesn't sound like you at all. It sounds like you are taking what you said in the previous game and applying it here. However, with differing context, it sounds hollow.

 

Not buying this.

 

[v]Hallia[/v] 

[Hallia]

So when I flip town, what then? Exactly as I said.

[Andrej]

What's up everyone

 

Been sort of busy lately - now that school is done for the semester I'm back on full time Daddy duty until I start working in a few weeks.

 

I'm catching up now.

[Verbal32]

So, I did a little reread since the time where Des posted his case on Thane.  In that brief reread, I've come to a few conclusions.

 

To start off, I actually went through Des' case on Thane, and I don't like it.  It is full of "tone" casing and the posts he made about Dice leading up to his eventually Dice vote.  To me, the numerous mentions of Dice leading up to the actual vote was pretty indicative of a newbie.  Leelou mentions the coaxing and afraid to take a stance below - exactly how a newbie acts, and I'm quite surprised that she never really gives Thane any credit for that.

 

So, I didn't agree with the Thane case from Des, but I reread from there.  Looks like my early FoS has evolved into a full scumread.

 

 

 

I like the case on Thane, and it did feel like every vote had to be coaxed out of him. Like he was afraid to take a stance.

 

I spoke to this post above.

 

 

 

 

there's inherent lulz already in the idea that the watcher saw the tracker track the watcher to the watcher

 

 

 

Srsly tho, in search of more commentary on my Thane case. He is das scum.

 

That was a pretty solid case indeed. ISOd him myself, and what has already been WOTed out, combined with the incredible strange self read ("Not his really usual self this game. Stated that RL got him busy, which i can get. He hates to fakeclaim, so he's town for me"), the fact that he wanted dice to have an opportunity to clear himself, then changed his mind and voted him no more than an hour later and the fact that he seems extremely concerned about who we can reach a consensus for before placing his vote looks pretty bad indeed. 

 

Generally, there was absolutely nothing in the ISO to redeem him as town. 

 

[v]Thane[/v]

 

 

This might be because I think the case was not solid, but Vos is extremely agreeable here, calling attention to the self-read, which was possible THE MOST OBVIOUS JOKE IN THIS ENTIRE GAME THUS FAR.  Really.  It was obvious.

 

 

 

I want to go back over some of my reads, but Thane's voting did not look good yesterday. I feel comfortable voting him for now and I'll be able to dig through the thread some tomorrow.

 

[v]Thane[/v]

 

One of Leelou's scumtells is her love of stating some pro-town stuff like the intention to dig through the thread and reread for more clarity (yadda yadda), but then not follow through on it.  Let's see what happens.

 

(Sneak Preview:  she never comes back to this.)

 

 

Maybe halfway through Day 1 now, from the hip:

Thane [stopped reading Thane after his claim today, just putting him in blue and moving on]

Des [Day 2 bias inserted - doubt Des would tie himself to a role he isn't as Mafia ever as that could out him later, so I would say he's 99% tracker. If he was scum tracker their faction would know Dice is telling the truth, I highly doubt his ability would be used to track Dice with unknown PRs still looming]

AJ

 

Tina [Worth nothing that from memory she does not become obvious after her initial villageriness, this read probably going to change eventually but through 30 she's here)

BFG
Lazy

 

Leelou

RTE

Mish

Verbal
 

Pral

Dice

Hallia

 

Randomly quoting this because I actually agree with almost every single person on this list.  This was part of the pro-town Cory I said I'd been seeing since the dust up with Des - this was indicative of that.

 

 

 

[unvote]

 

Sorry, I might be able to pop on during lunch today or if I have any down time, otherwise I'll be on tonight when I get home. Yesterday ended up being really busy for me. 

 

I don't understand why Hallia would want to shoot Tina, I can kind of see why she's mentioning Lazy and Pral. Right now, until she can actually explain herself, I'm moving her to my willing to lynch pile. Currently that is Hallia and Lazy. I need to reread Pral again concerning EOD, but I really wasn't getting the best of feelings from him yesterday. 

 

Bold:  More talk about needing to do work in the thread.

Red:  see below

 

(Sneak Preview:  she never revisits this one, either.)

 

 

 

I've got like 5 mins before a meeting. I can go for a Hallia lynch since I'm really not following her thought process here. 

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

Well damn, she didn't give Hallia much of a chance to post thoughts.  Hallia did not post in between these Leelou posts, which were (I think) on the same thread page and only a handful of hours later, as evident by the timestamps.

 

At this point, I've quoted every one of Leelou's posts until now.

 

Hey hon, what do you think of lazy?

 

She was supposed to be rereading for Thane and Pral....with maybe Hallia since she unvoted and re-voted without Hallia explaining anything in between.......but now she's asking me about Lazy (because I had just interacted with him).

 

This is how scum-Leelou interacts with me in the mid-game.  She'll ask me questions to keep me engaged with her, and will take a hard stance on me being town without giving proof.

 

 

So I don't know when/if I'll have daytime availability going forward. My bosses have me super busy right now.

 

This is legit, but I'm quoting everything of her's right now.  Null post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

and yet having that info can be good for town as it can help stop mislynches

it allows at least me more info to clear people with.

Obviously there is a flip side as shown with Des.

Disagree. Catching scum > catching town.

First, I don't know how it stops mislynches if we are not convinced that you are town in the first place.
Second, the number of scum is much less than the number of town. So, catching scum is always better because town can afford some mislynches.

I agree(ish). To the first point, even if one town knows that one other is town - its beneficial. Could also claim (no claims are certain, but fake-claims are quickly found out).

So, if we were about to mislynch a town PR, then he could come and say "eyh! Town PR here! Lets look elsewhere!" without that player having to claim a specific role.

Other than that, I do agree it's not the best course of action. Killing scum is still better than protecting town PRs.

As I said earlier, we're gonna have to decide if he did a stupid thing or a scummy thing. While I can somewhat understand the action, I haven't been too fond of his defense.

Dice, what are your reads now?

I haven't looked at the possible roles list yet, but how would dice know the alignment of who visited him?

 

 

If she's indeed scum, this looks like white-knighting.  I'm not sold on Dice being scum.  Here she appears to be soft-defending.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If he isn't blocked or killed, it would be safe to assume town? Or am I missing some important scum role?

 

??

 

I don't understand what you're saying here.  Scum can't block/kill every town role every night.  They are shooting blind as well until somebody puts info in the thread.  Leelou's question stands - how would you know if it was town or scum?

 

 

Ok, so here is my train of thought, correct me if I'm wrong. 

 

Dice watches himself to see who visits him. If he is visited by you and nothing "bad happens", it would be safe to assume you were a town PR. If he was blocked or killed he would... assume it was scum (but unable to tell anyone). 

 

So, by watching himself, he searches for town PRs to clear. 

 

This is assuming I haven't missed some mafia PR that won't give a direct effect(?). 

 

And I agree scum would try to kill a outed town PR regardless, but at least it creates a bit more confusion for them, and avoids fake-CCs. 

 

 

Lets say hypothetically Des is a scum tracker. Would anything bad happen to Dice? 

 

 

More of that.

 

 

 

Well, I'm done with most training today, but then I have meetings on Thursday and Friday. So might be around in the afternoons tomorrow and Friday. 

 

More of her schedule, which is null.

 

 

 

Verbal is town. 

 

Hard stance with no explanation - btw, she still hasn't done any of the homework she promised before.

 

 

 

Actually

 

[unvote]

 

[v]RTE[/v]

 

Could also go for Lazy again. 

 

So, yeah.

 

:-(

 

Leelou looks like scum here.

[Verbal32]

[v]Leelou[/v]