[Standard] - Hitchhiker's Game to the Galaxy - Game Over

[Verbal32]

 

 

Lol, never said I had a town or mafia read on Lazy or RTE, just that I liked/disliked their OP.

 

Yikes.  This is getting close to semantics.  When people are saying they "like this post by XYZ", or they "like XYZ's play this game", it is almost always attributed to a pro-town feeing.  If we simply thought it was funny or clever, a "lol" or smiley would have been used.  Or in Cory's case, about 12 gifs.  ;-)

 

But you're kinda backtracking here with a borderline semantic defense.  Not sure what to think of that.

 

As I said before, and Des has also mentioned since then, the key to scumhunting you is the mid-game WoT catchup reads post.  I'll abstain from having an opinion on you until then.

 

@Verb - this is what I was talking about.

 

You call out BFG here for what you say appears her to be using semantics as a method of defense. I can agree with you on the point that this is what scum like to focus on, whether in offense or defense.

 

Next bolded bit you're calling her out for backtracking but also say you aren't sure what to think of it and afterwards reiterate the fact that you'll wait to see more from her in a later part of the game before taking a solid stance.

 

So, like I said - you're soft pushing here without really committing and also providing yourself with an excuse as to why you aren't committing. I find this fairly common scum/scum behavior.

 

 

I would define what I did as a FoS with the intent to review more later and formulate a solid opinion....but for now I'm uneasy and therfore FoSing her.

 

I do agree with your overall assertion, though.  I'm ok that it puts some attention on me as a result.

 

 

 

 

 

Hrm. Alright. I've played with dice quite a few times and would be more shocked if his play was super active rather than the usual meta-lurky. But he's 'back' and apparently the Watcher. Not fond of day 1 claims. [unvote] Dice 

 

I read through RTE´s posts and found this. I don´t understand if you think Dice is mafia or town. I think you voted Dice because he was "dicey". Now you kind of defends him saying that he is usually lurky. Did anyone use that as a reason for voting him? Why don´t you like D1 claims? Would you still be voting Dice if he hadn´t claimed?

 

 

Town lean on Tina gets better and better every time she posts.  And I totally agree with her thoughts on RTE - he's sliding down towards the red for me.

[Pralaya]

 

GOATPRAL is no more </3

 

 

 

 

 

 

(But I am still right, ain't I? :))

[Cory Caboose]

Mafia: I am Arthur Dent. If you want to know what my role is, you will have to kill me to find out.

 

Town: I'm out of cares. Gl. You probably shouldn't listen to Des, as he's either Mafia or gone complete moron this game.

 

I read about his first three paragraphs and I'm legit done with this. He says I mishandled my clearing of Leelou - first problem is I NEVER CLEARED LEELOU. I said she was > rand to be villa because her snap vote on Tina for drawing attention to herself was more likely to come from a villager. She's been in my green pile (see: light villager) for that and that she seems to be paying attention (ie the vig post that apparently came "after I cleared Leelou")

 

What blows my goddamn mind about this is that Des keeps crying about how I'm not clearing him, says I'm mishandling Leelou for clearing her WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN RIGHT GODDAMN NEXT TO EACHOTHER ON MY LIGHT VILLA LIST

 

i am NOT dealing with this Geript-level bullshit, it's not happening, i don't have the time or patience to go through a MQ on my phone

 

If you are Maf Des congrats on hitting my weak spot as I don't give a damn about this game anymore

[Verbal32]

Des' post set you off more than I would have thought possible.  EmoCory is not a good look for you.  Relax for a bit and come back to the game later today?  Have a drink!  Or seven.

[Verbal32]

Also, please forgive me for wondering if this post is contrived.  I feel like you have a thick enough skin to not allow Des under it that easily.  I'm legit confused now.

[Cory Caboose]

Get me lynched Verb

[Nynaeve]

BFG - 46 posts.

 

 

20 fluff posts where she's doing the rhyming thing. She actually posts all of these in the space of 3 hours on the 20th. At one point Verbal questions her if it's a PR and she says it's just for fun.

 

She's completely AWOL on the 21th. Not sure if she had a busy IRL but she didn't mention anything so her absence seemed to stand out after her burst of posting. Especially since things were taking a serious tone and her lack of input is bothersome.

 

1 post of her welcoming Vos yesterday.

 

1 post where she says she likes the exchange between Clov and Leelou and agrees with Leelou that if she had a vig shot she would shoot Des, but disagrees about Thane. She asks Clov if he agrees with her on Des. Points at Lazy's OP as best, RTE's as worst. Then she prods Leelou twice. First for her lack of reaction to tina's vote, even though she responded to Verbal's... and secondly because of Leelou's response to me that didn't make sense. Only Leelou already explained these points earlier. So not sure why she brought it up again.

 

1 fluff post.

 

1 post of her prodding at Des again. She says he misreped Leelou in his case, in regards to her interaction with Verbal once he votes her, her lack of response to tina's vote on her and saying that she mentioned PRs loads when she only did it twice. This bothers her. Seems weird to me since she was questioning Lee about some of this as well and prodding her 15 minutes before that. lol

 

1 fluff post.

 

1 post of her questioning Thane on what interesting reads he's seen, since he was vague and didn't expand. She quotes dice's post where he's voting Leelou for no reason. Aka she quotes it and says "This is an early vote from dice". No insight that follows. Okaaaaaaaaaaay. She also prods Pral to participate more and share his thoughts.

 

1 fluff post.

 

1 post of her quoting dice's vote on Lee again. Only this time she asks why dice thinks it makes Lee too knowing and not AJ or Verb, both of who have brought up the possiblity of a PR first. This is actually an excellent point.

 

1 post of her saying she's not following Des at all about his read on Clov. She quoted him some to show why. I THINK what she's trying to convey is that I joked about lynching all the girls, clov followed up and said that we should lynch all the guys and Des FOSed clov for it, but not me. I think it's a valid point to make.

 

1 fluff post.

 

1 post of her saying that she's getting a town lean on me and Tina. Leelou as well, but with a couple of reservations. She questions Leelou again about her interaction with me and how she out of the blue questioned me if she should have a scum or town read on me already. Again, Leelou already explained it. Either BFG missed it or she's choosing to ignore it. Not sure which it is.

 

1 post of her fosing RTE for claiming she's been posting more than she usually does. She explains her schedule. Reads genuine to me.

 

Some bla bla posts (yes, I'm getting tired lol).

 

1 post where she questions dice again, pointing out how odd it is that he remembers well enough to name Leelou, but not the other people that were talking about it. Valid point, as I mentioned before. She even quotes all the PR mentions by peeps.

 

1 post of her responding to Des where she says she simply mentioned her like/dislike to lazy and RTE's ops. That it didn't mean mafia/town reads. I'm actually surprised that she had to clarify this. Who's gonna determine a lean based on OP alone? *shrugs*

 

1 post congratulating Lee.

 

1 post where she clarifies to Verb her stance on dice. That is seemed weird that he has a selective memory but that ultimately it's all null, given the context of conversation and fluff at the time. I don't really agree with her on this.

 

1 post of her asking Thane to expand on his scum leans after he delivers a read list.

 

1 post of her pointing out Verb and Leelou's interactions and points out that Des saying that Leelou ignored Verb till the Spiderman gifs is false.

 

2 Des related posts: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89426-standard-hitchhikers-game-to-the-galaxy-day-one/page-39?do=findComment&comment=3254685

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89426-standard-hitchhikers-game-to-the-galaxy-day-one/page-40?do=findComment&comment=3254736

 

I kind of see where BFG is going with these two posts, but it's not entirely clear, so I rather not give my take on it till she clarifies what she meant.

 

 

 

@BFG, I found that a lot of times you display quotes and say very little. If you could explain in your own words more it would really go a long way to understanding the point you're trying to get across. I struggled with it a bit when I was reading your posts... took me a while to get what you were trying to convey. Which is a shame cause people might be missing legit points or misinterpreting you.

 

 

All in all I haven't played with BFG before, so I don't know her meta. She had fun at first like we all do at the beginning of D1. I didn't love the fact that she was absent when the whole dice/mish trains formed but she showed up later and poked at previous events, so that makes up for it imo. It seems to me that she shifted into gear and had some really good finds and points. She's been poking around quite a few people Des, dice, Thane, Leelou. I think she's probably wrong about Des but I like the way she's casing him. I want to see more of her but right now I feel a bit better about her than I did before the ISO.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

[Nynaeve]

(But I am still right, ain't I? :))

 

 

If you were I wouldn't have said it 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

If you are Maf Des congrats on hitting my weak spot as I don't give a damn about this game anymore

 

:(

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Verbal32]

Get me lynched Verb

 

I don't want to.  Why are you doing this?  I reread Des' posts and it didn't seem like he was being really bad or anything.  I wasn't kidding when I said I'm legit confused by your sudden emoquit on the game.

 

Is it because he's basically on you for not clearing him?  It is more than that?  I see you getting annoyed at that, but not really at anything else with him, so I'm not sure.

[Nynaeve]

Cory, don't leave me <3

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Verbal32]

Cory, don't leave me <3

 

 

 

 

Nyn

 

Flash him, he might stay?

[Nynaeve]

You'd think my scumhunting skills would do the trick. But alas... one must revert to the basics.

 

*flashes* :P

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Cory Caboose]

Nyn you have a double-vote for the rest of our lives together (in this game)

[Nynaeve]

Nyn you have a double-vote for the rest of our lives together (in this game)

 

Cop readings aside, In the last games I've played all my votes amounted to was lynching Clov (town), Mish (town), Mynd (town) and Jack (doc).

 

So that might not be the best of ideas LMFAO  xD

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Verbal32]

Nyn you have a double-vote for the rest of our lives together (in this game)

 

So I guess I'll play the dbag here.  Stop being a brat and get your head back in the game.  I have a lot of respect for you as a player - please don't fall victim to letting your emotions get the best of you.  Dig in and let's move forward.  I don't even care what the hell your alignment is with regard to this post - just do as I say dammit.

[Nynaeve]

So I guess I'll play the dbag here. 

 

If the pretty fits :P

 

 

 

Nyn

[Verbal32]

-_-

 

Lucky for you I don't have a pencil handy.

[Andrej]

Yes, Aquemini IS in my car atm

 

 

DUDE - I LOVE this album. Like so much lol

 

Seriously it's kind of weird that you would say this.

 

 

 

Just spent the last few hours reading the whole game and getting some sort of narrative. 

 

First, yes, I am not an active player D1 because I tend to need some information on hand before getting a good read on players. D1 is more of tone and assumptions which I am not very comfortable with. 

 

Second, I get a lot of info by reading the thread as a whole rather than post by post. Which is probably why I have only a 

bunch of posts D1 in almost all my games. It will exponentially increase as the game progresses, but there we are.

 

Anyway, back to the reads. Let me get my good town reads out of the way.

 

Des - I see him trying to explore a lot of avenues, which he does a lot as town. In this game, he started out with Clov which was somewhat of a joke/reaction test vote. Then he votes Leelou and his case on her was pretty straightforward at the time and lately Dice. He is not throwing darts but more of having a stance on each of his suspects, which is a good towntell on him.

 

Clov - I can sense that he is not overdoing the questioning routine that Tommy pointed out the in Real Genius game. His stance on Dice again has been good and not the nudgy type I saw when I was scummate with him

 

Thane - I don't agree with Des about him overdoing the newbie meta. His tone feels genuine. Have played only one game with him, his first game where he was scum. Maybe he has changed his gameplay as he is more experienced now. Nobody noticed it but a big LOL at reading himself here. 

 

Verbal - Yeah, I am not seeing the lurky scum meta in this game. He is a bit aggressive, had a good back-and-forth with Cory regarding his tonereads. He is not hiding in the background as he usually does as scum. Town on him 

 

That are my current town reads as of now. I will get back on the rest of the players tomorrow as i spent a way lot of time reading the game and it is already 2:00 AM here. First thing after I wake up.

 

Continuing from where I left yesterday.

 

Among the rest, following are the null but slightly leaning town group

 

Cory - His play has been slightly different here. He is doing a lot of "POE the town reads" which he does every game, whether he is town or scum. But, I don't see the aggressiveness that he goes after his people which looks like he is still trying to solve. He was easily sheeping off other scum reads in the RG game and voting the trains, which is missing here. However, the absolute lack of a stance or vote on anyone make me feel a bit iffy because it looks like he is intentionally trying to avoid it - and this is what pushes him to null.

 

Mish/Vos - She plays quite carefully as scum and doing those subtle nudges. Her vote on Leelou was not her trying to blend in but actually going after her reads. There were other points brought out by others - her "you target when I am sleeping" comment was basically null and I don't see why it has got as much attention.

 

Tina - I liked this post from her where she seems quite frank about her fence-sitting. However, her vote on Dice seemed slightly out of the blue but considering that she has mainly commented on Dice, Mish and leelou so far, I can get why she voted her

 

Dice - Dice is always hard to read because his posts usually comes off as scummy. He doesn't explain things very well and goes after what others have already said. However, I can sympathise with him because I find myself in the same situation - where we are not on real time conversation with others and are mostly catching up. That said, he has claimed as scum in some games before and as someone suggested, Watcher could also be a scum (given Csarmi's setups, this is a good possibility). However, as of now, I can believe his claim and he will soon be caught later if he is lying.

 

AJ - His reads have looked straightforward, including the one on mine (which I will address in a later post). I am not liking him doing a wagonomics analysis before we have got any flips, but can see the intent. Ties to what Cory went after me in the RG game - about conditional reads. Slightly looks more like he has some information that others don't and setting up based on that.

 

Now, on to the truly NULL read

 

Lazy - I haven't seen him giving any read at all in the game. I resonate with his style in that D1 is a poopfest and about not sharing when it is not needed. If I am not getting any reads in D2 or further when there is a lot of information to base it on, then I will get suspicious

 

Then, the actual Null to slightly scum reads.

 

BFG - I was hydra with her on the Mass Effect game and I could see the difference in her WoTs in that game. Des has already mentioned it but her WoTs are there because it needs to be there. Rather than truly focusing on the gameplay. I can see her trying to hide in her WoTs

 

RTE - His fencesitting on Dice didn't sit well with me. His vote on Dice   came quite opportunistically and he starts fencesitting on him saying that he has difficulty in reading Dice . His play seems to be very safe so far. 

 

Hallia - Her vote on Mish was basically sheeping on what others said andfocusing on a minor point about Mish's sleeping statement. Looks like a forced vote and not liking that. Again, playing very safe not trying to have a hard stance on a lot of people. 

 

Leelou - She has been in both Mish and Dice wagons and the votes have not looked convincing. She seems to buddy Verbal a lot, which is kind of normal that she would but I am not seeing a genuine read of her on him. Like when she explains her read on everyone but verbal or liking a post just for the heck of it. 

 

Nynaeve - I don't see why a lot of people have a townread on her. From my read on her, she is looking like someone who is doing a lot of FoS but not pursuing it a lot, which seems to like setting up for future days. Started off with AJ but apart from a couple of conevrsations with AJ, doesn't take it further. And, suspecting Mish and taking it a bit ahead but never voting her. The only stance she had was on Dice but she unvoted him even when she is iffy on him and even after arguing on a very minor point. I think there were some FoS on verbal and Des too in her gameplay, from what I remember. I also see her defending Leelou a lot, which I am feeling slightly iffy with. Overall, I feel that she is talking from the sidelines in most issues and her only strong stance was on Dice which she is currently fence-

sitting.

 

 

 

 

Pral is starting to look a lot better to me after reading through this list - I see where Despo is coming from now. I agree with nearly every single one of his scum leans for primarily the same reasons.

 

Out of those who do you think would make the best lynch today?

 

 

 

 

Lol, never said I had a town or mafia read on Lazy or RTE, just that I liked/disliked their OP.

 

Yikes.  This is getting close to semantics.  When people are saying they "like this post by XYZ", or they "like XYZ's play this game", it is almost always attributed to a pro-town feeing.  If we simply thought it was funny or clever, a "lol" or smiley would have been used.  Or in Cory's case, about 12 gifs.  ;-)

 

But you're kinda backtracking here with a borderline semantic defense.  Not sure what to think of that.

 

As I said before, and Des has also mentioned since then, the key to scumhunting you is the mid-game WoT catchup reads post.  I'll abstain from having an opinion on you until then.

 

@Verb - this is what I was talking about.

 

You call out BFG here for what you say appears her to be using semantics as a method of defense. I can agree with you on the point that this is what scum like to focus on, whether in offense or defense.

 

Next bolded bit you're calling her out for backtracking but also say you aren't sure what to think of it and afterwards reiterate the fact that you'll wait to see more from her in a later part of the game before taking a solid stance.

 

So, like I said - you're soft pushing here without really committing and also providing yourself with an excuse as to why you aren't committing. I find this fairly common scum/scum behavior.

 

I would define what I did as a FoS with the intent to review more later and formulate a solid opinion....but for now I'm uneasy and therefore FoSing her.

 

I do agree with your overall assertion, though.  I'm ok that it puts some attention on me as a result.

 

Fair response. Whose lynch would you support today?

[Andrej]

Though between you and me I think you bit just a TINY bit more than you can chew with this *shakes head and laughs*

 

[Andrej]

 

something leelou said last page bothers me. not about her but as a general thing that people do in mafia.

 

Looking to see if someone is on DM tells you nothing. I have the page open while at work, but that doesn't mean i get to read it. I often leave my computer, and whatever is open at the time, on overnight while im sleeping. But im not actually here.

 

Im pretty sure im not the only one in existence who does those sorts of things.

 

WRONG.

 

When you hover your mouse over someone's name is says what they are viewing and at what time they got to that page. What you say can easily be verified if your name appears there and it says you viewed X thread ten hours ago :P... aka you simply left the window open.  If it specifies a time that is like a couple of minutes ago it means that you are, in fact, viewing the thread in question.

 

Not to mention that the order of the names at the bottom of the page also indicates when you were last active in a way. IE, the names at the beginning of the list (aka the left) are the ones who did something more recently than the ones trailing on the right. Aka afk people trail to the right and people that are clicking stuff on the site are on the left.

 

Not loving this post. dice is not a newbie. I would expect him to know this.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

This was the original post.

 

Dice says that him showing online tells you nothing in a general sense.

 

Here Nyn calls him out over something very specific - what it would display when you hover your cursor over their name, or what DM "tells" you in other words.

 

TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. They aren't even related and you attack him pretty aggressively over it.

 

I also bolded and colored the bit where she talks about how Dice's time on DM as if it's somehow indicative of anything. You don't like the post because you would expect him to know better?? How is that at all indicative of his alignment? Don't say now that you're not using his experience on DM as an indicator when clearly your wording here suggests otherwise.

 

Again, this was a TERRIBLE push on your part and you ARE changing the story after the fact.

 

You started out attacking him over something that wasn't even related to the point he was making and by the end you've turned it around to "Well, he's still lurking. So... ha!"

[Andrej]

 

To be fair I didn't know you could do that.

 

I also think it's somewhat of a minor point. He did say in a recent post that he had been catching up, which probably would explain why his name was closer to the left side of the list. Did you check this yourself to verify?

 

This seems like a bad reason to push someone.

 

i disagree. If he was indeed around why would he even bother going on about it not meaning a thing cause he always leaves the window open? He used it as a way to defend himself and I'm pointing out that it's moot. I'm not saying it's a HUGE point but it should be noted.

 

I don't know how long you've been a member on DM, AJ. But dice is ancient. 8 years, if not more.

 

 

Nyn

 

Here's ANOTHER example of you bringing up his time here on DM as if it means something.

[Nynaeve]

I'm done arguing about this with you. I've said everything I had to say and it's there for anyone who wants to read it.

 

Have fun talking to yourself.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Andrej]

Do I need to keep going?

 

Your attack on Dice was scummy, or just completely misguided, bottom line. Your reasoning behind it is bad and you are using points against him that shouldn't mean anything from an alignment standpoint - this does not bode well for your alignment.

[Andrej]

lol ok