[Standard] - Hitchhiker's Game to the Galaxy - Game Over

[BFG]

 

Well we have 4.5 hours to deadline. I think we need to make a consensus here. Are there even 9 of us around for a lynch?

 

From the looks of it it's you, BFG, Des, AJ and me around. We need four more at least.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

Thane's around.

[BFG]

Lol

[Leelou]

I'm gravitating more towards wanting to lynch Lazy, but really will go with Cory or Pral. 

[Thane Vakarian]

i don't really feel the vote for cory, for me it'd be Lazy first , then Pral.... can we reach concensus on one of them?

[dicetosser1]

deadline is 4am on a sunday for me and im about to head for bed.

 

im not getting the lazy thing. but i think thats cause i actually met him last w/e and we were discussing the verbal coin flip game he had. I see him as joke voting verbal but never removing it, and being wary of verb even if he thinks verb is town.

 

I do that with des too.  He screwed me over one time too many lol

[csarmi]

I'm here too :-)

 

To be serious - I'm on phone for the next three hours so help with VC is welcome.

[BFG]

i'm around. I've read up and i've noticed that the concensus is going towards Lazy/Pral/cory.

 

of the three of them, i'd go for Lazy. I find it odd that you'd vote someone to see who would jump on the thread or defend him. People always do that, so it's a weak excuse imo

 

unvote

I find it more interesting that he 'knows' Verb's Town. I'm not sure whether that read is from the entire thread up until that point or if it's from the game at which Lazy made his vote. If the former then that's an extremely early read.

[dicetosser1]

im thinking cory but its really for consolidation more then anything. I dont think we are gonna get 8 people in time for anyone else

[Leelou]

deadline is 4am on a sunday for me and im about to head for bed.

 

im not getting the lazy thing. but i think thats cause i actually met him last w/e and we were discussing the verbal coin flip game he had. I see him as joke voting verbal but never removing it, and being wary of verb even if he thinks verb is town.

 

I do that with des too.  He screwed me over one time too many lol

 

Thing is though, if you actual read his reads on AJ he says he knows Verbal is town and is judging if people defend/vote Verbal. 

[Leelou]

[v]Lazy[/v]

 

I'll switch for consolidation on Cory or Pral. 

[dicetosser1]

im goin to bed so i am going to do the consolidation vote.

 

unvote hallia

 

vote cory

[Nynaeve]

Early game, so has a low value but AJ seems to know that I'm Town early on.

 

 

I agree. Him saying "You being town makes me happier too" pings.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Leelou]

UNOFFICIAL Vote count 

Verbal: 1 - Lazy
Cory: 4 - Clov, Des, Tina, Dice
Despo: 1 - Cory
Hallia: 1 - AJ
Lazy: 2 - Nyn, Leelou
RTE: 1 - Pral
Pralaya: 1 - BFG

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

Not voting: Verbal, Hally, Vos, RTE, Thane
 
Deadline Saturday 7 pm GMT - Day 1 deadline

[Nynaeve]

i don't really feel the vote for cory, for me it'd be Lazy first , then Pral.... can we reach concensus on one of them?

 

Agreed.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

im thinking cory but its really for consolidation more then anything. I dont think we are gonna get 8 people in time for anyone else

 

That is the biggest BS ever.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Leelou]

 

im thinking cory but its really for consolidation more then anything. I dont think we are gonna get 8 people in time for anyone else

 

That is the biggest BS ever.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Still am NOT getting a townie feel from Dice. 

[Nynaeve]

im goin to bed so i am going to do the consolidation vote.

 

unvote hallia

 

vote cory

 

Up until your unvote, this was the vote count:

 

Verbal: 1 - Lazy

Cory: 3 - Clov, Des, Tina

Despo: 1 - Cory

Hallia: 2 - AJ, Dice

Lazy: 2 - Nyn, Leelou

RTE: 1 - Pral

Pralaya: 1 - BFG

 

There are basically 3 leading trains available. Cory, Hallia and Lazy. You pick Cory specifically saying it's for consolidation reasons and that we won't reach majority on anyone else.... and yet there are two trains that can just as easily reach majority.

 

In addition, your disclaimer on doing it for consolidation alone gives you plenty of wiggle room if Cory flips town.

 

ie You're full of shit.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Thane Vakarian]

vote Lazy

 

Dice, i don't know what you are doing, but you make me regret unvoting you....

[hazelkrs1]

That Dice vote on Cory was kinda suspect... Thinking of Mebbe switching to CFD on Lazy. Might be the best info lynch for today in a way, and at the very least Cory is tied to a character claim (not much if mod gave dent as a fake claim, which would be surprising but not impossible). Dice soft defending Lazy kinda weird.

[Leelou]

UNOFFICIAL Vote count 

Verbal: 1 - Lazy
Cory: 4 - Clov, Des, Tina, Dice
Despo: 1 - Cory
Hallia: 1 - AJ
Lazy: 3 - Nyn, Leelou, Thane
RTE: 1 - Pral
Pralaya: 1 - BFG

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

Not voting: Verbal, Hally, Vos, RTE
 
Deadline Saturday 7 pm GMT - Day 1 deadline

[Pralaya]

Lol, are you even reading the thread? Or my posts? Seriously actually. Especially since your read of me is based on my posts being 'off'.

 

I've highlighted the relevant part for you in the spoiler below. I've also repeated the quote several times in my conversation with Des if you read my actual posts. So since you've read my posts to think that they're 'off' how have you missed this conversation? He's also not reading Des's posts to have missed both the initial comment and the follow up conversation with me.

 

Tommy read Clov wrong in that game, so his meta read on Clov is off, based on that one game. I have no problem with you referencing a game in which you played together as evidence, but I don't understand how using Tommy's meta is

 

This looks a lot like sheeping somebody else read (Des on me) without actually doing any work, specifically Pral says that my posts are off and lacking the detail he'd expect. Since he's missed point I've made repeatedly, even before his initial read, it looks to me like he's not actually reading the thread and making his reads based on other peoples opinions. This isn't a TownPral.

 

[v]Pral[/v]

Ok, people are around.

 

Pral's read on me is that my WoT are 'off'. He then asks me why I think Des's vote on Clov wasn't a joke, when it os something that I have repeated on thread even before his reads list. This means that Pral is not reading my posts, which mean his read on me is literally copied from Des. (it also means he's not reading Des's posts in the level of detail I'd expect, but that's not as important as most people missed it, felt it wasn't important)

 

 

Fwiw I'm currently most suspicious of Pral/AJ/Des/Cory.

 

Pral and Des I've explained on thread. I'm more confident on Pral then Des.

 

AJ's more of a niggle, but early on he 'joked' that he was happy I'm Town to. In his post before that he was saying that I was relaxed but he didn't put much faith in it as he'd misread me the past couple of games we've played. In his post after he said that he wanted me to be Town and that coloured his read. I'll grab it when I get there. Other than that I mostly agree with Nyn's points that she made.

 

I really don't know what to make of emoCory

 

In all seriousness those are some pretty terrible reads BFG. Cory is the only one that legit looks scummy, yet HE'S the one you hedge on. Moar obvious plox?

 

Read my post on Pral.

 

He's stated that my WoT are off, yet missed one of the major things I've been pointing out, repeatedly. Namely your vote on Clov. He can disagree with me that's fine, he can ignore that you said it was a mafia read. But to miss that I've been repeatedly pointing it out? That's way off, given that his 'read' on me is that my walls are off. If he's not been reading them how does he have an opinion?

 

Haha, you seem to follow Goebbel's idea that you repeat something enough times and people start believing it. You have basically said the same thing in the first and third paragraph of the first post, repeated the exact same thing again and then again in a response to Des. You also say similar thing in a couple of posts later. Repeating the same thing does not make it correct. This reaction just reinforces my read on you.

 

Yeah, I missed the Des post where he says that his Clov vote was not a joke. Thankfully I do not base my reads on only one post and rather on a narrative. Which you can see in my read post.

 

Tommy's read on Clov on the question routine was spot on, other than the alignment. He used to have the same meta as scum and town, which is what I highlighted in my post. That is different in this game and that makes me town read on him. Read my reply later to Nynaeve with more detail on this.

[Pralaya]

Referring to this again. Clov flipped town that game. The fact that you're not seeing the questioning routine, which Clov has been found doing both as scum and as town, means nothing.

 

It does mean something, if you think about it. Since Tommy got his alignment wrong and he flipped town in an earlier game, why would Clov have a different style this game if he was scum? He can as well go with the same meta because others will assume that he is in his town behavior. That he sub-consciously changed it means that he is actually scum-hunting rather than hiding behind his perceived meta. The change is exactly why I have the town read on him.

 

What bugs me about your casing of people that you're leaning null to scum on is that a lot of it revolves under the assumption that dice is a townie. What happens to all your reads if it turns out he's not?

 

Yes, I do base it on the assumption that Dice is town. If he is not, naturally, the reads will change. I find the context and tone in voting Dice, especially RTE and Leelou highly suspicious.   

 

I'd be up for a Pral lynch. He's not making sense like he did in Real Genius and was being PralGOAT. He keeps clearing Clov over his alleged meta. I explained why he's wrong there. I don't like his explanations for his reads or how he's basing most of his read of other people on the premise that dice is a townie.

 

Except I used the exact same strategy in the Real Genius game in finding scum. I assumed Amega was not scum and caught the scum based on how they voted Amega. I find it a pretty good strategy on D1 and usually works. Of course, there is always the possibility that my assumption is wrong. In that case, it will be apparent in the later days and reads can be adjusted.

[BFG]

 

Lol, are you even reading the thread? Or my posts? Seriously actually. Especially since your read of me is based on my posts being 'off'.

 

I've highlighted the relevant part for you in the spoiler below. I've also repeated the quote several times in my conversation with Des if you read my actual posts. So since you've read my posts to think that they're 'off' how have you missed this conversation? He's also not reading Des's posts to have missed both the initial comment and the follow up conversation with me.

 

Tommy read Clov wrong in that game, so his meta read on Clov is off, based on that one game. I have no problem with you referencing a game in which you played together as evidence, but I don't understand how using Tommy's meta is

 

This looks a lot like sheeping somebody else read (Des on me) without actually doing any work, specifically Pral says that my posts are off and lacking the detail he'd expect. Since he's missed point I've made repeatedly, even before his initial read, it looks to me like he's not actually reading the thread and making his reads based on other peoples opinions. This isn't a TownPral.

 

[v]Pral[/v]

Ok, people are around.

 

Pral's read on me is that my WoT are 'off'. He then asks me why I think Des's vote on Clov wasn't a joke, when it os something that I have repeated on thread even before his reads list. This means that Pral is not reading my posts, which mean his read on me is literally copied from Des. (it also means he's not reading Des's posts in the level of detail I'd expect, but that's not as important as most people missed it, felt it wasn't important)

 

 

Fwiw I'm currently most suspicious of Pral/AJ/Des/Cory.

 

Pral and Des I've explained on thread. I'm more confident on Pral then Des.

 

AJ's more of a niggle, but early on he 'joked' that he was happy I'm Town to. In his post before that he was saying that I was relaxed but he didn't put much faith in it as he'd misread me the past couple of games we've played. In his post after he said that he wanted me to be Town and that coloured his read. I'll grab it when I get there. Other than that I mostly agree with Nyn's points that she made.

 

I really don't know what to make of emoCory

 

In all seriousness those are some pretty terrible reads BFG. Cory is the only one that legit looks scummy, yet HE'S the one you hedge on. Moar obvious plox?

 

Read my post on Pral.

 

He's stated that my WoT are off, yet missed one of the major things I've been pointing out, repeatedly. Namely your vote on Clov. He can disagree with me that's fine, he can ignore that you said it was a mafia read. But to miss that I've been repeatedly pointing it out? That's way off, given that his 'read' on me is that my walls are off. If he's not been reading them how does he have an opinion?

 

Haha, you seem to follow Goebbel's idea that you repeat something enough times and people start believing it. You have basically said the same thing in the first and third paragraph of the first post, repeated the exact same thing again and then again in a response to Des. You also say similar thing in a couple of posts later. Repeating the same thing does not make it correct. This reaction just reinforces my read on you.

 

Yeah, I missed the Des post where he says that his Clov vote was not a joke. Thankfully I do not base my reads on only one post and rather on a narrative. Which you can see in my read post.

 

Tommy's read on Clov on the question routine was spot on, other than the alignment. He used to have the same meta as scum and town, which is what I highlighted in my post. That is different in this game and that makes me town read on him. Read my reply later to Nynaeve with more detail on this.

 

Lol. You're also ignoring the point.

 

Why do you think my walls of text are off if you haven't been reading them. I've stated that I don't think it's scummy for you to have missed Des's explanation of his vote, most people did.

 

What's scummy is you saying you think my walls of text are off when you HAVEN'T been reading them. If you've read them, then you know why I think Des's vote wasn't a joke as I've explained it in several of my posts.

 

So the point is.

 

Your read on me is based off my posts which you haven't read.

[BFG]

 

im goin to bed so i am going to do the consolidation vote.

 

unvote hallia

 

vote cory

 

Up until your unvote, this was the vote count:

 

Verbal: 1 - Lazy

Cory: 3 - Clov, Des, Tina

Despo: 1 - Cory

Hallia: 2 - AJ, Dice

Lazy: 2 - Nyn, Leelou

RTE: 1 - Pral

Pralaya: 1 - BFG

 

There are basically 3 leading trains available. Cory, Hallia and Lazy. You pick Cory specifically saying it's for consolidation reasons and that we won't reach majority on anyone else.... and yet there are two trains that can just as easily reach majority.

 

In addition, your disclaimer on doing it for consolidation alone gives you plenty of wiggle room if Cory flips town.

 

ie You're full of shit.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

This

 

Voting for consolidation is fine, but why Cory over the other possible trains?

[Nynaeve]

 

Referring to this again. Clov flipped town that game. The fact that you're not seeing the questioning routine, which Clov has been found doing both as scum and as town, means nothing.

 

It does mean something, if you think about it. Since Tommy got his alignment wrong and he flipped town in an earlier game, why would Clov have a different style this game if he was scum? He can as well go with the same meta because others will assume that he is in his town behavior. That he sub-consciously changed it means that he is actually scum-hunting rather than hiding behind his perceived meta. The change is exactly why I have the town read on him.

 

I disagree. All Tommy proved ultimately was that Clov could pull off the same meta, regardless of alignment. Because it was shown Clov acting the same both in a different game as scum and in real genius as town.

 

Tommy pointed out this meta for all the world to see in the last game, maybe he's trying something new to avoid people making assumption for better or worse. Who knows. I will repeat what I said before. I do think Clov is showing us a lot of pro-town play. He IS on my townlean list. I'm not debating that AT ALL. What bothered me was that you were putting him on your town lean because he's not acting like he did in Real Genius.  I don't feel like this should immediately prompt a town read. *shrugs*

 

 

What bugs me about your casing of people that you're leaning null to scum on is that a lot of it revolves under the assumption that dice is a townie. What happens to all your reads if it turns out he's not?

 

Yes, I do base it on the assumption that Dice is town. If he is not, naturally, the reads will change. I find the context and tone in voting Dice, especially RTE and Leelou highly suspicious.   

 

 

Fair enough. Each to their own.

 

I'd be up for a Pral lynch. He's not making sense like he did in Real Genius and was being PralGOAT. He keeps clearing Clov over his alleged meta. I explained why he's wrong there. I don't like his explanations for his reads or how he's basing most of his read of other people on the premise that dice is a townie.

 

Except I used the exact same strategy in the Real Genius game in finding scum. I assumed Amega was not scum and caught the scum based on how they voted Amega. I find it a pretty good strategy on D1 and usually works. Of course, there is always the possibility that my assumption is wrong. In that case, it will be apparent in the later days and reads can be adjusted.

 

But you weren't really doing that on Day 1, were you? You were deeper into the game when you really had your game on. You had a ton more information to work with. I feel that at this point appearances can be deceiving and building cases mostly based on votes on someone that you perceive as a townie on D1 is a bit misguided. I would basically want to see more reasons than just people who voted for dice.

 

 

 

I answered in bold within the quoting.

 

 

 

 

Nyn