[Standard] - Hitchhiker's Game to the Galaxy - Game Over

[Leelou]

I'm not throwing dirt on your credibility.  I'm just questioning one of them based on my disagreement.  I would imagine you can see where I'm coming from, right?  You think I'm town, so imagine my POV on this.

 

Don't get all emotional about it.  I'm not saying you aren't fit to find mafia.  Jeez.  If anything, I'm discussing this with you because I can align well with your D1 approach.  I'm not a D1 scumhunter.  I'd rather find a couple town, and can do better scumhunting D2+ because of efforts on D1 (not necessarily efforts by myself).  So I can align with your efforts, but I need to hash out my main disagreement with you.

 

If you're going to rail against me because I'm discussing this with you, then we aren't going to have a productive D1.

 

I like this post. 

[Thane Vakarian]

i'm cautious around AJ... i played a game against him where he was uber-scum, and nobody had a clue about him....

[Verbal32]

i'm cautious around AJ... i played a game against him where he was uber-scum, and nobody had a clue about him....

 

AJ is good.  This is why I want to hash out my disagreement with Cory.  For an inexperienced player, I'd expect them to show their stuff soon enough, but somebody like AJ can hide it long enough to become a problem.

[Verbal32]

Cory FROZEN?

 

 

 

 

I kid, I kid.  Just thought this was a good time to make that bad joke.  :-)

[Nynaeve]

Sssssssssssh you guys, Mish might be napping.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

Oh sh*t I said her name.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

I don't know that I've ever seen you as scum, but this game you read as pretty town!  (And pretty town too )

 

You can be town for now.  Your entire tone was different last game, it was like playing with a Cory-Doppelganger, I didn't like it ; . ;

 

Suspicious of Mish right now, the whole sleep/time thing was a strange statement.  There are people from tons of different time zones, and if that were true, how come she never defends me when I'm being attacked while at work?  It works both ways.

 

Vote Mish

 

 

Err. You mentioned yourself that I counterclaimed you when you were doc LYLO which won scum the game. Having memory lapses, sweetie?

 

You're pretty too

 

I'm suspicious of Mish too and it's yet another game where she overreacts over nothing. She did the same two other games, got lynched and flipped town. Last game she was actually pretty composed and she also flipped town. So I'm at a loss right now.

 

I'd like to see what she has to say when she comes back from her nap. *grins*

 

 

 

Nyn

[Clovdyx]

Rage all you want Des. Be grateful i took the time to catch up and post instead of just rolling into bed.  

 

re Des case on leelou.  I can understand her "shouldnt see me as town" stance somewhat. It is D1 and unless you are mafia the most you should have from the little interaction so far is maybe a strong lean. She also seems to see it as a mafia tell. Thing is she shouldnt be wanting to be blue on corys list if this is the case. hypocritical 

 

The i want to play around thing is fair enuff but look at how often it blows up in lens face. 

 

The thing that I dont like is her saying to watch mish for a PR. that seems too knowing for me.

 

vote leelou

 

cory seems town to me and so does des actually.  his rage thing makes me think he is looking for small things to blow up for reactions.

 

Tina   just to end the wifom. are you

 

a  in love with marvin

 

b Are marvin

 

c all of the above

 

d none of the above

 

Two very bad posts here.  First, I don't understand why you would basically rehash an argument already made (in this case, what Des said on Leelou).... only to seemingly write her defense for her (bolded statements), yet then point out why the defense doesn't cut it (green statements).  If you thought it was a solid enough case to follow him on, it seems self-defeating to be like "Well, she did X, and I understand why she'd want to, but she doesn't get that excuse because Y".  Second, I don't like the reasoning (or phrasing) of the last sentence.  You're going to vote her for pointing out that Misheru could have a post requirement? 

 

This is like when Verbal pointed out BFG's potential requirement and seemingly ignored another (Tina, I think).  However, Verbal didn't go and try to push a lynch for it.  Is it scummy to indicate somebody might have a requirement?  In two games here, I haven't seen any post requirements, so it's not like she's role hunting.  Leelou never insinuated that we ought to be pursuing Mish because of a requirement; she just said she might have one.

 

All-in-all, I see this as somebody did solid legwork on D1 and somebody got opportunistic with trying to help the lynch through.  

 

Then you follow it up with trying to force a character claim (or, uncharacter claim?).  We're a day into the game, and I can't think of a single benefit that Tina answering that question is going to do for town. 

 

 

[unvote]

[v]Dice[/v]

 

 

EDIT: Forgot to mention - yellow is just awful.  Why should Des be grateful you took the time to catch up?  More importantly, why shouldn't you be wanting to catch up? 

[Hallia]

LOL. I was having a brain lapse, I completely forgot that game.

 

 

You read to me as townie til you cc'd me

 

Crafty lady

[Clovdyx]

Morning, darlings. When I saw the amount of pages I expected a bit more actualy gameplay to have started by now... Oh well.

 

Leelou, if you could shoot somebody based off their first post (and first post ONLY), who would you pick and why?

 

I really like this post. Trying to get the game into serious-mode. Too bad not many else co-operated at this stage.

 

 

Leelou, if you could shoot somebody based off their first post (and first post ONLY), who would you pick and why?

 

Thane - seemed too chipper or Des - jumped right in and declared someone won the thread already. It's a bit hard to say for sure though, because a few people either seem to be having too much fun with the theme or have a post restriction. 

 

 

Don't like this however. It seems like extremely thin reasons for wanting to shoot someone. And leaving herself an out to go after basically anyone who's mentioned the theme.

 

Yay 15 pages. Wtfbbqsauce

Ok now that i have browsed through it all i gonna say a few things. 1 3 tits. 2 you crashed my phone. 3 more flashing to make up for crashing. 4 [v]verbage[/v] dont trust you

 

3 tits are awesome. Nice meeting you. Where have you been hiding? I don't think I've seen you at all before.

 

-Thane usually posts more. He seems quiet. Or overwhelmed by all the bromances.

- Hallia has Ewok problems. I have Hallia problems. I cannot read Hallia to save mah life.

- Mish hasn't gotten mad at me yet. Score.

- How do I become part

 

I might become soon, if you're gonna keep on triple-posting

 

Tina loves Marvin, so I wouldn't put it past her to just be having some fun. If it continues for much longer, than I'd assume post restriction. I'd also look at Mish for a post restriction. 

 

Why? And how come it's taken you 10ish pages from around my last post to mention this?

 

 

I actually don't like people saying I'm townish this early in the game. Makes me feel like they are scum. Are you scum, Cory? 

 

So you admit you're not playing townish?

 

 

Clov is good so far. Clov can be town. Leelou, not so much. The 180 on the "put me in blue". "Don't like people reading me as town early" and then turning it around on Cory... Ping.

 

 

I love how Leelou and Verbal walk all seasoned mafia style claiming that they can't ever be read.

 

Why don't you pull your heads out of your asses? That would be awesome.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

I never say that. Ever. I've been amazingly good and amazingly bad before.

 

Leelou reads me well, as does Nolder. Nobody is perfect, least of all me.

 

 

Verb is good so far.

 

 

 

I fully understand that you both are going to pass this off as joking/messing around since it's early on D1, but I really hate posts like this.  It's like the post Nyn and Cory highlighted earlier by Thane where he refused to say he was town (and referenced Lenlo's scumclaim in Real Genius as a similar example).  "Would I telegraph something like this if I were scum?"

 

Far too often scum makes a "joke" post like this, and then everybody is shocked when it comes true.  Best case scenario, you give scum a target for a kill that they can try to blame on somebody else.

 

 

It's far too early in a game for me to get serious, I like to play around some and get cranky when it gets serious too fast. 

 

 

*sigh*

 

My quote notices don't work anymore for some reason...

 

 

 

 

Nyn

 

Yeah mine hasn't done for a couple of months. It's highly annoying.

 

 

Speaking of jokes...

 

What do you get when you mix a Ginger and a Jamaican?

 

 

 

A Gingerbread-mon

 

 

 

LOL. I almost choked on my breakfast over this XD

 

Also, Aj is looking townish so far.

 

I'm here, i'm here. Just woke up (well, i got up, need coffee to wake up).

 

Seen a few interesting reads over the past 22 pages (don't you people work or sleep?)

 

@cory: you seem eager to find out if i'm town. i hereby confirm that i am town. And indeed i am quitre relaxed because i managed to win my previous game with town, and i'm definately planning on doing so again in this game.

 

So, 16 players, that would make 4 scum, if my math is correct. Not everything can be 42, right?

 

Hello to you too, don't think I've met you either.

 

I find it depressing that I need to explain one of the best fictional characters ever and my love for him. 

 

*puts on teacher glasses*

 

This is Marvin:

 

 

 

 

He is a wonderful depressed paranoid android. Nobody but he can make the happy doors in the space ship Hart of Gold cry. Here is an excellent quote from when he was found again after being left on a planet for a long time. 

 

"The first ten million years were the worst. And the second ten million: they were the worst, too. The third ten million I didn't enjoy at all. After that, I went into a bit of a decline."

 

 

*takes off teacher glasses* 

 

You forgot to mention that Alan Rickman voices him in the fim, too. Marvin

 

Some other comments:

 

Someone mentioned public enemy which made me nostalgic.

 

I´m the opposite of Cory and Verb. My logic and gut feeling are always arguing and I usually pick the wrong side. But be sure, if I ask you to kill Verb then I´m the cop. 

 

 

Cory is playing like I have seen him in the last games and he has been town in all of them. 

 

AJ tried to get the game started which gives him townie points.

 

Des case on Leelou - I´m not sure. This is what I would expect from Leelou but he has two good points. 1. Wanting to be town on Cory´s list while not wanting to be called town this early. 2. You could interpret her comment on Des that she knows he is town. 

 

Dice - I hope you get better!

 

Warning about the bold: I thought so too in the Real Genuis mafia. He was mafia and led me around by the nose :P

 

That being said, Cory is more null for me at the moment. I need to see him after more people gets active.

 

Tina null to slight town.

 

cory seems town to me and so does des actually.  his rage thing makes me think he is looking for small things to blow up for reactions.

 

Tina   just to end the wifom. are you

 

a  in love with marvin

 

b Are marvin

 

c all of the above

 

d none of the above

 

Character fishing. Brilliant. FoS on you Dice.

 

 

LOL Des. All I'm saying to you, because whatever. I'm not surprised I'm the first person you are coming after, and yeah I still do think that of your play style. Don't flatter yourself for one moment thinking that was a buddying attempt. It's my annoyance with how you spin whatever I say and how I interact with Verbal as me being scum. 

 

 

Des case on Leelou - I´m not sure. This is what I would expect from Leelou but he has two good points. 1. Wanting to be town on Cory´s list while not wanting to be called town this early. 2. You could interpret her comment on Des that she knows he is town. 

 

Or that comment can be interpreted as it is meant to be. He has a tendency to misrep our meta and spin it to fit it as I am scum any way possible and I'm tired of it. 

 

 

The i want to play around thing is fair enuff but look at how often it blows up in lens face. 

 

The thing that I dont like is her saying to watch mish for a PR. that seems too knowing for me.

 

vote leelou

 

1. I'm not Len. I know when to get serious when I need to. 

 

2. Have you actually read Mish's posts? 

 

This is the second time you've brought it up, without actually doing the work to back it up. It feels like desperate "hey look at this other person!" to me. I had like 5ish posts where I geeked out about a theme I love. You trying to put attention to me over it is meh.

 

 

Mish posted like 5 times. But she did refer to The Guide and bringing towels. Seems more like playfulness than actual PR. She even used The Guide to make a funny.

 

But that's prolly what Lee is referring to.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

Yes, it is. And I didn't say for sure she has one, just watch her for one. You can't just point out BFG and Tina without looking at everyone's posts. She is the other one that I saw that seemed to have a trend. 

 

 

How nice that someone else did the work for you. I'm sure it wasn't that hard.

 

 

[v]Leelou[/v]

 

Blue highlights for things I want to address.

 

1) I don't disagree with you that her reasons are thin, but I disagree it means anything whatsoever - look at where the game was when I asked.  Truth be told, I wasn't overly concerned about what her response would be.  I wanted to get a discussion going (mission: accomplished!), and I wanted to see people's reactions to a hard stance early. 

 

I don't know how anyone could expect a particularly well-crafted answer to that question, though.  I would assume that most people would have better answers if the discussion was brought up now, but you can't ignore the context. 

 

2) What about Verb's posts make him good so far?  The one you highlighted, for me, is worthless in terms of solving the game.  It's a couple of statements that are only somewhat related (at best), and neither of which I can draw any conclusions on.  He's reasonably low on my "chance to be townie list" so far.  What have you seen that I haven't?

 

3) What work is to be done?  She didn't draw any conclusion from it.  You're drawing your own conclusion and holding it against her.  Furthermore, it's the "second time she's brought it up"?  It keeps being brought up (Dice brought it up, Nyn brought it up, and you've brought it up).  If she ignores the questions about it, she'll probably get accused of being scum for avoiding the topic.  Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't?

 

4) In regards to that last statement... I'm reminded of what I said to Dice.  This looks like a fairly opportunistic vote.  It's better than his was, because you at least seem to put more effort into your post, but the posts you've highlighted about Leelou seems like you're lynching her for a conclusion she never reached and not having a good scum candidate a few hours into the game.

 

 

Between this vote and Dice's, you couldn't get me to touch Leelou today if you paid me.

[Verbal32]

@Clov - what is your read on Des?

[Clovdyx]

@Clov - what is your read on Des?

 

One of my stronger town reads. 

[Verbal32]

 

@Clov - what is your read on Des?

 

One of my stronger town reads. 

 

 

Ok, cool.  Did you think he made sense when he compared Leelou's responses to my responses, and concluded that my responses looked very townie?  I don't want to answer for Mish, but I don't think she can be called out for coming to the same conclusion one of your stronger town reads did.

[Verbal32]

(at least with regard to me - I'm not speaking to the other items you noted)

[Nynaeve]

Just because you have a town lean on someone doesn't mean you have to agree with their reads. Fos.

 

 

Nyn

[Verbal32]

Just because you have a town lean on someone doesn't mean you have to agree with their reads. Fos.

 

 

Nyn

 

Hence why I'm asking him the question.  Cory thinks I'm town, but obviously doesn't fully agree with me.  Totally fine.  But Clov is not seeing me as town right now, and used Mish's thoughts on me as part of his case.  I don't agree with that particular piece, so I'm questioning him.

 

I thought it was a fair question & statement, actually.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

@Clov - what is your read on Des?

 

One of my stronger town reads. 

 

 

Ok, cool.  Did you think he made sense when he compared Leelou's responses to my responses, and concluded that my responses looked very townie?  I don't want to answer for Mish, but I don't think she can be called out for coming to the same conclusion one of your stronger town reads did.

 

 

I disagree with the bold, as a premise, entirely.  If somebody shows up out of the blue and says "Oh, this guy is good" without some justification, I'm going to question that.  I'm REALLY going to question it if I don't necessarily agree with it.

 

In this specific case, Des had two exchanges between you and Leelou.  He liked your response about developing a new meta.  I don't have any issues with saying that's a good response.  The second was obviously to the same quote (you talking about people reading you).  This was his response:

 

 

Good, townie-looking response. Verbal can be reactionary like this at times, and he doesn't try to flip it around on Nyn even tho he disagrees with her portrayal of him.

 

 

Bold is a good explanation of what he likes about the response.

 

So to answer your question, I think he made sense by saying you had good responses to those two posts.  Mish's blanket statement of you "looking good so far" is more ambiguous, hence me inviting her to explain what has her convinced.

[Nynaeve]

@verbal

 

it's not a fair question. You're basically suggesting that because clov is reading des as town and des cocluded that you're town.... then he can't call out mish for thinking you're town too. That's horse shit.

 

Clov has a town lean on des, not on you. So he can fos mish for it till doom's day. This soft defense of mish bothers me.

 

 

Nyn

[csarmi]

Votecount 1.03

 

Leelou: 3 - Despo, Dice, Mish

Verbal: 1 - Lazy

Dice - 1 - Clov

Mish - 2 - Leelou, Hally

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

 

Not voting: Cory, BFG, Tina, Thane, RTE, AJ, Nynaeve, Pray, Verbal

[Andrej]

 

Pral's joke came across very forced to me. Dunno, could be a language thing or maybe I just don't get his sense of humor. Either way, it stood out and didn't really fit the flow of the thread imo.

 

That is because you do not have the reference. If you followed Real Genius mafia, you would have understood it. 

 

Cool - and I didn't follow it.

 

Humor aside, this is all you wanna comment on?

 

[v]Pral[/v]

 

 

I don't think Verb's tone is really off.

 

Leelou/Tina votes interest me, so does Tina with her quotes.

 

I noticed the same Pral post you quoted with the face, seemed sort of out of sync.

 

Cory looks good. Biggest schtick claim made me LOL

 

BFG seems pretty relaxed. I've completely failed reading her the last few games we've been in together though, so not putting a ton of value in that at first glance.

 

Interested to hear what you gotta say about FishDyx though.

 

This post actually gave me somewhat sketchy vibes from AJ, and this is after I asked him for his general impressions.

 

He first defends Verbal, funny thing is tho he got ninja'd by Verbal while he was writing this post, and here's what Verbal said:

 

 

 

 

So Verb. Why does it seem like your tone is different from how it normally is at the start of games? You don't seem quite as happy-go-lucky.

 ?

 

Nah, I'm a little grumpy in carryover from another game.  Cheer me up and I'll be right as rain.

 

 

 

So apparently I was right to notice Verbal's tone being slightly off. Could be AJ defending a scummate, could be scum!AJ white knighting town!Verb, could be town!AJ not seeing what I saw. Anyways.

 

He says the Leelou/Tina votes "interest" him. I often see scum drop the "Hmmm, that's interesting..." line. It lets them comment on something without really commenting on it.

 

The comments about Cory and BFG are rather innocuous, however he seems to nudge my ... whatever it was on Pray, says he thought that post looked strange as well, and also seems interested in hearing what I have to say on Clov. So I ask him for impressions and he sort of sheeps/nudges two of my reads on a bit. Def seemed a little suspect to me.

 

I bolded the sections I want to reply to. Firstly, you asked for general impressions. I give you general impressions, and then you complain about them lol. Whatever though - there wasn't a ton to really dig into at that point in the game so I told you where my head was at. I have also expanded on a few things that FishDyx asked me to explain more thoroughly, did you miss those?

 

As far as Verb's tone goes, it didn't seem off to me. Just because he admitted to it and after you pointed it out doesn't really say anything about me - so you listing all the possibilities for it when the end result of the action itself was null reads as overdone.

 

Too many of my reads are associative right now - which means I'm not seeing enough to LOCK CLEAR anyone yet. This isn't a huge problem, but still.

 

Most confident in my read on Leelou. Also looking at AJ, Cory, Tina, Thane, and Pray.

 

Mhmmm.

 

 

 

Cool with your read on me, obv. Would like to hear your thoughts on Tina though, I'm almost completely opposite of you when it comes to reading her. I can never really tell.

 

Would also like to hear this.

 

 

Not a fan of this. Just reads very forced to me.

 

 

Interesting take. I can agree on a general note that a player doing something such as that would make me lean more towards town on them. I guess you sort of answered my question from the quote above though, so disregard explaining again

 

It's kind of a shame that our first game together you had to see me as scum - not a very solid mafia performance either, I might add. Not much to really expand on in the points you bring up here. I just find the original and reciprocatory votes to be sort of interesting as I really didn't see the reasoning behind them in the first place, besides maybe as RVS.

 

 

Pral's joke came across very forced to me. Dunno, could be a language thing or maybe I just don't get his sense of humor. Either way, it stood out and didn't really fit the flow of the thread imo.

 

 

Lol - it's all good. I've had some pretty good games as scum recently, but that wasn't one of them. Being on a new forum with a ton of new players that are generally all very good and experienced can be a little intense. Either way, I had fun while it lasted.

 

 

Yeah, still not liking RTE's posts. The first sentence is true though and literally just happened in another game, but that's because RTE was like the scummiest Cop ever and his claim didn't fit with what I perceived as a balanced role set should be.

What can you do? Not gonna dive too far down the rabbit hole here quite yet, but him mentioning it could doubly serve as a way to sort of make me WIFOM myself in doubting my ability to read him.

 

I'm not a fan of the scum-joke posts either. I really don't feel like diving into mafia theory atm, but needless to say there isn't a lot of townie motivation in making a post like that. Some still just do though... looking at you RTE

 

Following Des here - not just on the principle of the 'hi, bye' posts, but knowing Dice's scum meta too. Less content and moar lurking tends to point to a red check for this dude.

 

 

 

I don't like this. It comes across like fake scumhunting. AJ basically pulled loads of Cory posts, mostly agreeing with him. Then he agrees with something Clov said. Then he says he's following Des. There doesn't seem to be any original thought here. Basically going through the motions and agreeing with stuff that's already been mentioned By Cory, Clov and Des but not offering anything new (aside from Pral and RTE's behavior seeming forced). From what I've seen in RW, AJ has a lot more to bring to the table than following Cory like a lost puppy.

 

So quickly...

 

Nyn seems more abrasive than what I remember from the RW game, which is my only other experience with her. Not saying it's necessarily scummy but it does stand out and give me some pause.

 

Des seems a bit off this game. I laughed at some of his posts earlier but humor doesn't make people town - would like to hear his thoughts on both Clov and Leelou since he's now pushed both as mafia with about as many words.

 

RTE is basically always going to be scum in my eyes. His OP really bugs me, just reads put on with all the enthusiasm. Idk, could just be me.

 

Dice should make his alignment pretty apparent one way or the other soon enough, if he actually gets involved. Involvement/confidence = town!Dice, Lurking/Snipes = scum!Dice.

 

I think I may have trouble reading FishDyx this game. I can follow some of his posts, but he reads very objective to me which I tend to associate more with strong players that have rolled scum. The last game we played together I was mafia, so I didn't really take the time reading him. This game he is a strange creature to me.

 

I don't like this either. I know it's too early in the game to know much and that's fine. But this just feels like it's been said basically to say SOMETHING. Anything. This is an entirely pointless post. Not so much because of the observations. It's fine to point out stuff that seem off to him. But he's not inferring anything from it, just pointing out.

 

Magic 8 Ball says Lazy is probtown too.

 

Really? Because you didn't note him on any of your quotes or impressions.

 

 

Nyn

 

Meh, more aggro from Nyn. I stated prior to writing all this stuff that I was feeling pretty lazy and unmotivated due to finals, so sue me that I didn't expound on everything as deeply as you might have liked. I was behind in the thread, so as I was catching up I pulled quotes for topics that I had noticed similarly/agreed with. Again, sue me. To say that I haven't offered any original content and that my summary post was pointless is patently false. My statements have been somewhat general, sure, but I have pointed at things that have stood out to me. If you aren't able to see what is being inferred by my pointing out of said things, that's on you. Read better I guess? There is actually a lot being said in that post. I'll make it concise so you can see the conclusions more easily.

 

Nyn - more abrasive than I remember her being. Not a scum lean, somewhat troubling though.

 

Des - null. Had pushed a few people at the time without much explanation, waiting for more.

 

RTE - weird tone in his OP, felt overdone/fake/put-on/whatever adjective you want to use for ingenuine. Soft scum lean

 

Dice - Didn't like his 'hi, bye' post that I pointed out after Despo did. Should be able to read him better soon. null

 

FishDyx - foreign to me. can follow his thought process but reads rather objectively - cautious null read

 

As for the last post, I don't need to MQ Lazy's posts to make statements about him. What's even the point of you mentioning that? He was added as an afterthought because he had recently checked into the game at the time. He entered in a relaxed and joking manner, which isn't something I would attest to a returning mafia player after a long period of time away from the game if he had rolled scum - hence: probtown

 

Again - the conclusions are there. If your issue is that I'm not explaining myself well enough then ask me for clarification. Attacking me with the 'fake scumhunting' line, however, especially when there are many more players who haven't contributed much as of yet, isn't going to sit well with me.

 

I think what it boils down to is that you are comparing me this game to RW, which is fine from a meta standpoint and a positive thing for you to notice it, but as I've said - finals have got me feeling pretty burned out. I'll pick it up as the game progresses but for now don't fault me for slow playing it.

 

 

Mish, in no way am I saying a post restriction is scum indicative. Just saying that you might have one. 

 

And what exactly is the point of saying so? And why not follow up when people questioned it?

 

And why not wait until I got back to see how my posts was then? It's quite common that people geek out about a theme they love. I don't understand why you singled me out amongst the others.

 

I think Leelou was actually just ticking your name onto the list of others who were exhibiting similar posts. First it was Verb asking BFG if she had a PR, I then included Tina to that question, and now Leelou added you.

 

 

 

Mish, in no way am I saying a post restriction is scum indicative. Just saying that you might have one. 

 

And what exactly is the point of saying so? And why not follow up when people questioned it?

 

And why not wait until I got back to see how my posts was then? It's quite common that people geek out about a theme they love. I don't understand why you singled me out amongst the others.

 

FOS for this post. Two people were pointed out as having possible PRs. Leelou simply mentioned that you might have one too.

 

 

Nyn

 

^ This basically.

 

 

Here AJ is trying to make his own narrative

 

I didn't see him making his own narrative. I saw him parroting mostly you and a bit of Clov and Des.

 

So I'm not that sold on him. We'll see.

 

 

Nyn

 

Parroting? Harsh words Nyn.

 

But if your idea is me parroting by agreeing with others, then whatever - not much else to say here.

 

 

I can soulread the hell out of AJ imo

 

I think Des cased him a little but I disagree with Des there entirely. AJ seems legit enthused about this game and is poking around the way I expect from his villager game. He doesn't really rev the engines until he gets a scumflip, but what he's been doing this game is much different than the sort of wishy-washy catch-ups and super-consensus stuff I remember from the VS game

 

Think of it this way: I see AJ as someone who as Mafia, will wait for other players to make the narrative and then constantly push the path of least resistance

 

Which I think is really a pretty generic and usual mafia strategy

Here AJ is trying to make his own narrative

I'm gonna just come out and say that I think this soulreading thing is crap.  No personal offense intended - maybe I just dislike the term itself.  You're still reading their gameplay, and how they interact with others, whether they are being aggressive/passive (or passive-aggressive, lol), and some meta.

 

If you are trying to say that soulreading = being able to read that person better than you can others, then fine.  But it is still just reading them based on gameplay, with varying results depending on the player.  I don't like "because, soulread" as a method to clear somebody.

 

As for the rest of your post, I disagree with you and agree with Nyn.  AJ does appear to be going with the flow so far - I think Nyn pointed that out well in her explanation (thanks for reminding me who it was, Nyn).  I agree with what you're saying for a scum player vs a town player, but I think you are incorrectly attributing what AJ has done thus far to townplay.

 

Hey, its early, and you might simply be better at reading AJ's playstyle/meta/interactions than some of us are.  But to clear him based on support that doesn't appear to match the criteria you've set out is suspicious on your part.

 

Cory really isn't lying when he talks about his ability to read me, it kind of blows my mind too. It started back in the Mass Effect game, where although I was barking up the wrong trees, he got an okay glimpse at my thought process as a townie. Then in the RW game we hydra'd so we both got a very good inside view of how the other thinks and we were able to bounce ideas off each other, etc. That hydra QT is a goldmine of towniness The next game we played in, I was mafia, and he basically knew it right away because of how different I came across I suppose.

 

I can understand your suspicion of him clearing me when you don't agree, but I can attest to his ability in doing so and I don't personally find it uncomfortable whatsoever.

I am town, he can read this through my posts and tone. I can do that similarly with him this game.

 

I actually agree with Nyn on AJ as well. He's been going with the flow and not really turning over any rocks and digging anything out. 

 

Again, this looks more like a meta read than anything. Sure I haven't really pushed anyone very hard yet, but I don't think that's a problem. The game is slowly developing and I am still sorting out my reads on players. If the issue is that not seeing me as aggressive alarms you, then okay, I can understand. If the issue is that I'm not adding content then I would say there are others much more guilty of this.

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@Clov - what is your read on Des?

 

One of my stronger town reads. 

 

 

Ok, cool.  Did you think he made sense when he compared Leelou's responses to my responses, and concluded that my responses looked very townie?  I don't want to answer for Mish, but I don't think she can be called out for coming to the same conclusion one of your stronger town reads did.

 

 

I disagree with the bold, as a premise, entirely.  If somebody shows up out of the blue and says "Oh, this guy is good" without some justification, I'm going to question that.  I'm REALLY going to question it if I don't necessarily agree with it.

 

In this specific case, Des had two exchanges between you and Leelou.  He liked your response about developing a new meta.  I don't have any issues with saying that's a good response.  The second was obviously to the same quote (you talking about people reading you).  This was his response:

 

 

Good, townie-looking response. Verbal can be reactionary like this at times, and he doesn't try to flip it around on Nyn even tho he disagrees with her portrayal of him.

 

 

Bold is a good explanation of what he likes about the response.

 

So to answer your question, I think he made sense by saying you had good responses to those two posts.  Mish's blanket statement of you "looking good so far" is more ambiguous, hence me inviting her to explain what has her convinced.

 

 

*nodnod*

 

Cool beans.  Just trying to find questions to help me identify with your thought process better.  I think I've only played 1 game with you, maybe 2.  Appreciate the response.

 

 

 

 

@verbal

 

it's not a fair question. You're basically suggesting that because clov is reading des as town and des cocluded that you're town.... then he can't call out mish for thinking you're town too. That's horse shit.

 

Clov has a town lean on des, not on you. So he can fos mish for it till doom's day. This soft defense of mish bothers me.

 

 

Nyn

 

I'm glad Clov jumped in before this.  I had him on the bubble - I was looking for something to question him on.  I found that post and used it.  His answer was very good.  See above.

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(the reason I liked Clov's response is because he turned my post around on me without actually just brushing it off as crap and FOSing me as a result)

[Verbal32]

(because my post was kinda crap there, hehe)

[Verbal32]

(parenthesis are fun)

[Andrej]

 

i'm cautious around AJ... i played a game against him where he was uber-scum, and nobody had a clue about him....

 

AJ is good.  This is why I want to hash out my disagreement with Cory.  For an inexperienced player, I'd expect them to show their stuff soon enough, but somebody like AJ can hide it long enough to become a problem.

 

The only problem I'm going to be in this game is for zee scum

 

Feel free to disagree with Cory. He's read me correctly once again, and I think eventually the rest of you will see it as well.