[Basic] Real Genius Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN AND SURVIVOR WIN

[hazelkrs1]

I would iso him, but I'm off and driving to the beach in the morning so no time now. Fairly confident that he's scum tho.

[Lenlo]

Lenlo's "case" on me is a whole bunch of conspiracy theory nonsense. Nothing concrete, and the way he said twice before I posted that he wanted to see what I would say, its fairly clear that he was trying to make it appear that he was suspect of me even tho he hasn't stated any suspicions prior.

 

Seriously tho, he's not making any points for why I could be scum, he's just trying to fear monger about how I could win the game if I were scum.

I could say the same for you, but the points are one in the same. Most of the game you were an inactive, so the time you were around you had plenty of information and posts to use before you ever even made your first post. You had plenty of time to setup everything you needed and with someone of Cory's level as your teammate, it was perfectly setup before you even got brought in for your reads to match his almost perfectly.

[hazelkrs1]

Again Lenlo, you're using entirely presumptive reasoning to try and paint me as scum- starting from the belief that I'm scum and working from there. It would make sense perhaps if you had been suspecting me all along, but you haven't.

[Lenlo]

Again Lenlo, you're using entirely presumptive reasoning to try and paint me as scum- starting from the belief that I'm scum and working from there. It would make sense perhaps if you had been suspecting me all along, but you haven't

I was fine with you until that latest post, which caused me to rethink everything youd done. Afterwords I connected the dots and thats how it came out for me.

 

Now since its you and me thunderdoming in here, I want a legit case from you on me besides "Tsukis move doesnt look scum, onto Len."

[hazelkrs1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM_p1Az05Jo

[Pralaya]

 

Im abit worried about Tsuki because he wasnt insta hammered as I would think a town would be if they were at L-1, but could be Des just wasnt around at  the time and missed it.

 

 

 

Why would the scum insta-hammer tsuki? if Tsuki ends up town, that scum will be lynched the next day. You are grasping at straws right now

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Leno (3) - Amega, Despo, Pral

 

Not Voting (3): Leno, Hallia, Tsuki

 

 

Leno is at L-1.

 

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

 

Day 4 Deadline is Monday, May 19 @ 9:30 AM MST/PDT.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140519T0930&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+4

[Lenlo]

 

 

Im abit worried about Tsuki because he wasnt insta hammered as I would think a town would be if they were at L-1, but could be Des just wasnt around at  the time and missed it.

 

 

 

Why would the scum insta-hammer tsuki? if Tsuki ends up town, that scum will be lynched the next day. You are grasping at straws right now

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

Not true Pral. You all were perfectly prepared to speed lynch Tsuki, as shown by how quickly everyone piled one. Especially with it being Des? None of you would have batted an eyelash because of his clout with town.

[Lenlo]

Besides Pral, im not even pushing Tsuki. Sooo... Yeah what straws am I grasping for?

[amegakure]

You where and that's what matters

[Lenlo]

You where and that's what matters

I was pushing Tsuki today? Cause I dont remember that.

[Songstress]

For your entertainment before I head off to work:

 

[amegakure]

You pushed tsuki by saying she didn't get insta lynched.  Which is dumb, like pray said cause if tsuki was insta lynched it shows that person didn't have an interest in town winning just lynching someone. This would pretty much guarantee a lynch. That fact that your are denying that is pushing is scummy. It's also funny that you asked to hear from des two times hoping he would drop some knowledge on us and secure a lynch on me but when it turns your direction you end up in reactive mode. I'm comfortable with my vote... 

[Lenlo]

You pushed tsuki by saying she didn't get insta lynched.  Which is dumb, like pray said cause if tsuki was insta lynched it shows that person didn't have an interest in town winning just lynching someone. This would pretty much guarantee a lynch. That fact that your are denying that is pushing is scummy. It's also funny that you asked to hear from des two times hoping he would drop some knowledge on us and secure a lynch on me but when it turns your direction you end up in reactive mode. I'm comfortable with my vote... 

?

 

I think you missed the caveat I put in that with "Maybe Des just wasnt around.". I wasnt pushing Tsuki. You also understimate the clout Des has with people, and I honestly think if he popped in and voted Tsuki then no one would have batted an eye.

 

I never hoped he would secure a lynch on you btw, I just wanted to hear what he had to say. Nowhere did I single you out. Finally reactive mode... Yeah thats kinda accurate but I would think responding to what people post at you is what your supposed to do right? Converse with each other, figure out who the scum is and then lynch that person? What would you have expected me to do, ignore everything he said? Cause then people would be yelling at me for that.

[Lenlo]

 

 

But whenever you get in, some stuff that would REALLY help me clarify stuff

 

Did Zanube rand villa? 

 

Do you think Pral is outside of his wolf meta here? Several people say he's in line with his town game, and Tommy has played with him more than me, and he's really driving me up the wall Red-style considering he's like purposefully making it impossible for me to follow him.

Is Basel somehow town here? He's been softdefended by Darthe and Pral for being "obvitown", another thing I don't SEE AT ALL. Would Town!Darthe and Town!Pral both think this is Basel as town? Is Basel this absurdly useless as town? Would he treat Tommy as a wolf and then flip on him potentially being town after Tommy lead a mislynch Basel refused to take part in?

 

Can Amega fake being volatile as a wolf? I remember him fooling me in Mass Effect after Thane screwed up, he came in very reasonable and did good damage control. He's sort of flying off the handle here, which is making me think he's a villager.

 

There are so many players just hard defending players without any explanation that this is the sort of game I feel ROBBED without having strong meta reads and Darthe has been random and everyone else has been invisible.

 

HALP

 

First of all-

 

Second, yes I am villa. Halleluyah!

 

Third, hold up there hombre. Haven't caught up yet. Was reading the thread for a while, but haven't at all for the past couple of days (been busy at work). Thank you for giving me some stuff to look out for while reading up tho.

 

Fwiw, I did skim over that, and well the only thing I can offer for now is regarding Basel- he does have the ability to look wolfy as hell as town. He is often pushed as a mislynch early on in games in fact because of this. Now, this doesn't mean that he'll look townie as a wolf. As a wolf he'll tend to look just as scummy, albeit likely less motivated/interested in the game thread.

 

You should never trust Darthe saying someone is "obvtown". The reasons he comes to that conclusion on people are often so tenuous and possibly even made up on the spot... and yet Darthe will believe in them 100% if he's town, even if he's 100% wrong. Pray won't usually clear someone unless they look townie to him. I'm more experienced with his town meta than his scum meta, but he tends to defend people more as town. I'll have to see his reasoning for why he thought Basel looked obviously townie.

 

 

 

Look at this. Des's first post in the game and hes already agreeing with Cory, who flipped scum, and setting up a Darthe lynch.

 

Aight so I'm 2 pages in and Darthe already looks scummy to me. Totes serious. No wonder he was all self-conscious about how I'd view him.

 

Sending dayvig shot to the mod...

More Darthe setup, even joking about the dayvig joke

 

Hellz yeah, Cory is town after all!

 

 

Hmm... Cory, a proven scum, is town huh? And this is what, your third post this game? interesting...

 

Catching up again and yeah, Basel is seriously starting to ping.

 

Running audit now however. Should be quick, I'll finish catching up tonight

Interesting how your pinging on Basel. Distancing? He flipped scum and you pushed him abit later on but took the first chance you got to move over to Darthe, saving Basel for the day. If Hallia hadnt blocked the NK then the next day would have been LyLo soo.. that doesnt look good.

 

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA @ post #816

 

 

Darthe is LOCK SCUM here people. He was hardcore defending his meta read on Basel the last time Basel was brought up, then all of a sudden drops a scummy scummy nudge.

 

Btw I'm of the unpopular opinion that Basel might actually be town here. It's a bit associative, a bit meta, but yeah I've seen him be wrong a lot as town. Around where I'm reading, his read on Nommy looks bad but it could easily be confbias (Basel started with a joke vote there on Nommy). Just get the feel he's being a lot more out in the open and as scum I doubt he'd go @ Nommy like that.

 

However, he wasn't "going all out without abandon" early on like Pray was saying, and I think Darthe's bizarro flip on him tells you what you need to know about Darthe.

 

So Basel looks villa now, Pray and Darthe both still look terrible. Amega looks bad as well, his confrontational tone with Cory is a bit different from the tone he had last time I saw him aggressive (where I correctly read him as town). Hallia could be scum but I kinda doubt she would be with Darthe (I'll explain why later).

 

Still catching up but this game def looking close to #solved

Oh now Basel is town huh? and Darthe is lock scum? Shocking how much your reads are matching up with Cory. Whom you also cleared as town. Amazing how both the flipped scum are town in your reads. With your clout its almost as if you know people will follow you on this.

 

There's an orgy of evidence against Darthe. Thing is, he might be worth some spew mebbe, and he certainly won't make it to endgame as a wolf. If he truly is derptown TO THE EXTREME, then we can try and give him one more phase to redeem himself.

 

Hallia looks like just about CONFSCUM to me. On her scum meta, the whole setup with Cory and Tommy was wolfy as hell, and she is dropping her biggest scumtell right now: straight up not responding to other's questions on her. Only time she sort of did, it was to Mish and was a bit snarky.

 

Pray has awful, awful reads. Has at least attempted to back them up... with bad reasoning, but eh... not sure if scum!Pray would push that kind of bad reasoning. But that could be me wifoming it- his read on Basel did look wolfy as hell, and he, like Darthe and Hallia, seem to want to kill the towniest people ITT

 

Amega could be most likely of that group to be town. His early provocation of Cory mighta been cause of carryover from TRW.

 

Basel... looks really bad in so many spots. He would also make an excellent info lynch, after all a scumflip on him would pretty much #solve the game, right? All the people who offered resistance to that read and that train... yeah. If he's scum he'll likely claim and fearmonger any who leave their vote on him or something. If town PR he'll be more remorseful but will try getting out reads to still try and help town if he gets lynched. If VT he might fake claim just to save his skin anyways, keep that in mind. He's done it multiple times in the past.

 

AORN, don't really see any deep wolves in my LOCK CLEAR crew. If some flips started going weird ways I might have to start tinfoiling sooner rather than later, but for now they're all still locked in. First townie from the across the line to prove themselves townie in some way pretty much makes the game #solved

Hallia, Darthe and Pray are all scum while Basel and Cory are town? Nice setup for lynchs here. Woulda worked if Hallia hadnt blocked the NK and Pray made a GOAT shot. 

 

Lol yeah you always fall back on Tobias to top everything else. He is GOAT character in comedy series

 

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[v]Darthe[/v]

 

CFD IS GOOOOOOOO

Who started the CFD? Cory voted him but here you are yelling CFD is a go. I thought you said Cory started it, who flipped scum btw and you instantly went along with just to get off Basel. Wanna explain that?

 

Who else loves the vote tags btw?

 

[unvote]

 

[v]any mod who requires something other than bold-red for votes from now on[/v]

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

Reinforce that abit Des. Let everyone know your voting Darthe and they should to.

 

 

 

I think Pral is town. Early on he wad absent enough, and I think the mod wouldn't give that much leeway except for a VT. Which means not scum.

 

That's the second time you've come to the conclusion that Pray is a VT, both times on very dubious reasoning. Thank you for reconfirming my scumread of Pray.

 

Oh and good job dodging every point made against you this game. Cause you know, that's not scummy as heck or anything.

 

You really believe that Mish, Len and Tsuki voted with each other on Clov on Day 1?

I don't have to "believe" it. It's a verifiable fact.

 

Do I think they all voted together as town? Yes, cause I have townreads on all of them, and townies are willing to work together to achieve a lynch.

 

Showing people voting together as if that alone proves them to be scum is absolutely laughable. If you were really town that believed such bs, you'd be trying to verify it by looking for other connections between those people, or see who could possibly be town.

 

But no, you're just throwing out a lazy generic blanket type fos on a bunch of townies. Nice job,

 

That is a very weak observation.

It's not an observation, at least not in the manner you're saying. My observation is that all those people look extremely likely to be town. Them all voting together doesn't seem that significant or worth pointing out at all. Maybe if we had a scum flip as well, and they or some of them had voted together on the countertrain it would seem somewhat significant, but yeah what you pointed out was seriously just as transparent of a scum move as you could have made there.

 

Maybe the reason why you areso wrong in the first place.

I like how you just keep acting like I'm wrong instead of trying to see if I could be scum instead. Howl on, brother!

 

 

Regarding your last sentence, it just confirms mys statement that you are being thick and is generally not ready to look beyond your bias.

Terrible, terrible statement right here. You continue acting like I'm definitely wrong town instead of potential scum, and recently I ASKED YOU to try and show your alignment to me if you were town. You made absolutely zero effort to try and do this and instead tried fighting against the poe I and others have set up.

 

Don't get mad at me for you flying your scum colors Pray.

 

You already derped yesterday and it looks like you are going to derp tomorrow too.

Fearmonger much Pray? Seriously, you have removed all doubt in my mind that you will flip anything but scum. Thank you for that sir.

 

 

 

Setting up Pray and Basel for tomorrow Des? Distance from one and setup the lynch for the other. please continue.

 

I will say this.

 

I would still NEVER vote to lynch Craylee or Mish. Both are still obvtown and GOAT.

 

I wouldn't lynch Lenlo anytime soon, but he's not quite as cleared as the two above. I hope to see him continue contributing.

 

The last town read I had however, has been weakened somewhat by Darthe's flip. Part of the reason I had a townread on Tsuki is that Darthe seemed scummy to me, and he went after Tsuki rather lazily. Tsuki also had decent tone, and his half-hearted entrance to the thread def seemed kinda townie in a weird way. Now that Darthe has flipped town tho, Tsuki would be the first one I'd tinfoil on.

 

Basel is not doing anything to help town, and is ducking every point made against him, while throwing out opportunistic votes or fos's. His vote on Darthe, which hammered Darthe before any potential claim, when Darthe had been defending Basel all game and Basel seemed to have no problem with it, remains the single scummiest thing in the game by far.

 

Hallia is right on her scum meta. Isn't contributing much, isn't answering questions posed to her, and is sheeping others a lot instead of making her own observations.

 

Pray is looking outright terrible right now for his taunting me after the lynch, the fearmongering, the lazy blanket fos at four of my townreads, and in general fighting against scumhunting more than contributing to it (the most he's done this game is try and drive a wedge between townies trying to clear one another by actually acting townie).

 

Amega is a slight enigma- I can see justification for his earlier behavior, and doesn't have as much against him as others, but his activity does seem to have declined a lot once people started sharing him as a common scumread. Even tho he was wrong in his reads a lot in OUAT mafia in Thak, I was still able to read him as town due to his tone and townie passion. Hopefully he starts contributing more again so we can figure him out.

 

So in order from towniest to scummiest-

 

Des

Craylee

Mish

Lenlo

Tsuki

Amega

Hallia

Pray

Basel

Will never lynch CrayLee, proven scum, or any of the other particularly active townies and have Basel as your now scummiest with Pray and Hallia right after that. Ewww.

 

 

I'm not even reading much of Pray at this point because it's #DartheLogic town-train wagonomics garbage that I have to argue is dumb every game, but the fact that he's suddenly ramping up the arguments and activity right before MyLo despite being utterly MIA during all of the Day 2 mislynch and during the Clov wagon should be pretty damn telling.

 

Why aren't you saying ANYTHING during the Day? It seems your gameplay this entire game is "let the vocal players do what they want without any resistance, and then drop in to taunt them for being wrong". Yeah, Tommy was wrong on Clov and I was wrong on Darthe. I am NOT afraid to be wrong, but since Day 1 it's been no one but me/Mish/Tommy doing any serious work until Des joined the game. I can work without what I've got and we've had a huge amount of inactives/non-participants/Darthes and sifting through that to find the Mafia can be difficult when the townies aren't willing to clear themselves through WIM and effort and observations.

 

Pray, what have you ACTUALLY done this game? You dropped some awful, self-contradictory and 100% conditional reads and then stepped up to let power townies know they should feel bad for being wrong.

 

Awesome

A+

 

WTG

This. So much this.

 

Nice. Agree with Cory. Can anyone disagree with the fact that Cory and Des have the most town clout in this game? Together I dont doubt they could push anyone and they were perfectly setup to avoid Basel the next day and get Pray, which if their NK had gone through would have been MyLo. Seriously, its perfectly setup and only Hallias block and Prays vig stopped it.

 

Amega LOCK SCUM

Really now? And yet the next day the moment I fun for you..

 

[V]Lenlo[/v]

 

He's been trying to buddy me all game, he's had like one townie looking post, the rest have been meh, and that vote on Darthe that Pray quoted looks scummy as hell, considering Len makes it look like I was leading the CFD on Darthe when Cory was the one who started it. Plus, Cory town read him rather quickly, and Tsuki's self vote doesn't seem like a scum play atm.

This. Wheres the Amega push Des? Find me to be an easier target? Or dont want to risk me pushing you and winning?

[Lenlo]

Theres a WoT on Des. Your welcome.

[Hallia]

Wow.

 

 

That actually reads amazingly well Len. I think I'm smelling what you're selling

[Lenlo]

That should be gun for you at the end, not fun for you. Des isnt that fun.

[Lenlo]

Tress when is the deadline for today? Cause tomorrow im going to be on a plane to Raleigh NC and getting unpacked/visiting family for most of the day and I dont want to miss anything.

[amegakure]

Nice! Feeling that too., pray? On phone change my vote when I get home

[Songstress]

Tress when is the deadline for today? Cause tomorrow im going to be on a plane to Raleigh NC and getting unpacked/visiting family for most of the day and I dont want to miss anything.

Monday. Morning for me, afternoon East coast time.

[Lenlo]

 

Tress when is the deadline for today? Cause tomorrow im going to be on a plane to Raleigh NC and getting unpacked/visiting family for most of the day and I dont want to miss anything.

Monday. Morning for me, afternoon East coast time.

 

Awesome, ill have plenty of time to check back in then. Im gonna be in NC for a week so ill probably be abit less around but ill def be here sometime.

[hazelkrs1]

Search: keywords "Despo, clout"

By username: "Lenlo"

 

 

Im at the beach right now, and i have neither the time or inclination to respond to Lenlo's wot point by point.

 

Its still a pretty poor case however. Its still more of just giving a play by play of how things would have gone down if i was scum, instead of any comprehensive analysis which shows how anything ive done actually points to me being scum. He also selectively shows me saying Basel was town, when i had him as solid scum once i finished catching up. He also tries so hard to hammer home a connection between me and "proven scum" Cory, when pretty much anyone playing could remember easily that i was reading Cory as town. Him trying so hard to overplay that connection shows how hard he wants to get me lynched imo

 

Sorry if there are crazy typos, my phone's a lot slower lately

[Lenlo]

Search: keywords "Despo, clout"

By username: "Lenlo"

 

 

Im at the beach right now, and i have neither the time or inclination to respond to Lenlo's wot point by point.

 

Its still a pretty poor case however. Its still more of just giving a play by play of how things would have gone down if i was scum, instead of any comprehensive analysis which shows how anything ive done actually points to me being scum. He also selectively shows me saying Basel was town, when i had him as solid scum once i finished catching up. He also tries so hard to hammer home a connection between me and "proven scum" Cory, when pretty much anyone playing could remember easily that i was reading Cory as town. Him trying so hard to overplay that connection shows how hard he wants to get me lynched imo

 

Sorry if there are crazy typos, my phone's a lot slower lately

You sold him as solid scum, which I actually show in the case itself. The problem is you setup Prals lynch and others so that you could lynch them instead of Basel and you distanced yourself from Basel if you had to lynch him. I stated as such. And yes im going to bring up that Cory was scum in my WoT/reread BECAUSE HE WAS. The fact that you were townreading Cory and him you was the problem. Together you two had the clout/reputation/ability to get town to do whatever you want. THATS THE POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE. Thats what I was pointing out to everyone, so stop ignoring it and address it properly if you are going to at all.

 

And yes your right, I do want you lynched badly because I think your scum. Your poor pushing on me shows the exact opposite from you imo. You dont care if im lynched, you just want someone scummy you can push to be lynched because thats all you need. If you really wanted me lynched, if you definitely thought I was scum, you would be putting just as much effort into your casing as I am into mine.

[amegakure]

Agreed the wim is, low in Despot