[Basic] Real Genius Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN AND SURVIVOR WIN

[Cory Caboose]

[v]Verbal[/v]

[Cory Caboose]

you reminded me of our sweet new votetags

 

you may live

 

[hazelkrs1]

Pt. 3:

 

 

 

Also, ##unvote vote Len

 

 

Darthe how much did you guys laugh when Yates died

 

I just Tommy for the random posts like these lol

 

@Kaylee i'm pretty sure tommy is town but its to early to tell for certain. I want to see where he pushes today and tomorrow. 

 

@even though kaylee is paranoid and reading into things that weren't there she seems to be making a sold effort in understanding whats going on with more than just me. With cory's play id put them as solid town.

 

Len and mish look like they are playing off of each other and they dont have much to go on. Yes i did post on purpose to irk cory i even said what i was doing right afterwards. He was being a meany! :)

 

Darthe's last few post seem to show some genuine frustration and he has some solid points. @Tommy do you still have a scum read on darthe? mine is wavering to null/town

 

Also lets take a look back at mish's post. Out of everything that happened and their wasn't alot but a few things the only thing GAME CONTENT ORIENTATED she could mention was my troll post. This is odd. Lenlo also piggy backs this reasoning.

 

##vote Mish

 

Don't like the vote on Mish but it could be OMGUS, and defense of Darthe is meh cause Darthe was AtE'ing at the time, could have duped Amega. Rest of the post isn't terrible.

 

So if you really think im scum show me why in other post's i've made. since then instead of clinging to a sarcastic post which shows exactly nothing to prove your point.

 

Im not trying to lynch a townie  But you are

 

Im not trying to discredit or lay out wifom. You are. 

 

I'm not blowing things out of proportion. you are.

 

This post otoh was pretty bad altogether. Passive aggressive tone which doesn't seem to match up with a townie's way of thinking. Lenlo looked like he was scumhunting imo, Amega responding all snarky like this aint good for him.

 

Despite feeling WAAYYY over my head in this (BASIC) game, I'm throwing a vote Darthe/Dawn's way.

I really don't have a good about him, but it's the only one I'm even slightly confident about.

 

VOTE DAWTHE

 

This made Tsuki look good for me. And again, from many others the fence-sitting tone in this prob wouldn't make me think them town- but this matches up with Tsuki's earlier claims of feeling overwhelmed.

 

vote Dawthe

 

Initially also thought this made Darthe/Hallia as scummates look less likely, however Hallia unvotes a little bit later, could be scum doing the 'ol vote and unvote to try and stall momentum on a partner's lynch.

 

Tommy the issue here is that im incredibly investigative this game and nobody has liked that Im not willing to candor to artificial standards of what "a townie is supposed to do". Dont dare say this is bad play sinply because you dont agree with my direction.

 

I don't think that has anything to do with why people view you as somewhat scummy this game. Looks like AtE to me.

 

Tsuki that is the sheer dumbest thing ive ever read in a game. Youre using the fact that dawn wont post to condemn me and making up complete shit about what I have said to her. I quoted exactly what I said to dawn and im getting pretty ticked that people continuously misconstrue that. I pride myself on being a player with integrity and I have admitted to making mistakes in the past when I found myself lacking. I WILL not have that questioned or used against me in a game.

 

Moar AtE imo.

 

Is she not interested in playing? I'm less confident in my vote on you because you seem genuinely frustrated.

unvote

 

Here's Hallia's unvote

 

What do you think about Darthe's recent feelings?  Do you feel that's legit town frustration?

 

And here's Hallia talking to... someone can't remember who. Anyways she went from voting him to defending him pretty quick.

 

Actually another thing. Everyone below me in post count? Are also below the mod. So yeah, yell at them.

 

Lenlo I think you're town but this was kinda silly to see bro. At this point of the game, most of your posts were fluff or spam. Just sayin.

 

 

So, is anyone else bored here?  I'm bored here.  Can't seem to find more things to arbitrarily argue about and my reads are fairly confuddled from the overwhelming of talking about myself that has taken place.

 

Still not going on a Basel train though.  He may look kinda bad at times but my really good meta on him (I've never messed up with him to this point in my mafia career) says he is town.  It's soulread, whatever that means.

 

Bold is one of the wolfiest things I have ever seen someone say on Day 1. Wow.

 

Underlined is more fake tone, acting all confuzzled. Darthe has been complaining about being on a bad streak and having bad reads for a while now. He's totally milking that act imo.

 

Italics is ridic. Starts off a sentence all fence-sittingy when the rest of the sentence is hard hard defense of Basel.

 

Triple tone fails in a post like this is telling, folks.

 

Zanube's being mentored by Des right?  It seems strange how quiet he's being.  One would think Des would be encouraging talk.

 

 

Scummy, scummy nudge.

 

Hmm.  I would shoot

 

Zanube today

Mish tomorrow

 

Darthe IMMEDIATELY mentions Zanube, tho he hadn't mentioned any suspicion of Zanube at all previously. Makes Darthe-Hallia connection to start to look more tenable.

 

If Des ever replaces Zanube (anticipate that he will) I am willing to be that he is pissed about the above post and talks crap about me being scummy for it all game.  He really does not like when people target him or someone he is associated with =p 

 

However, it does make the most sense.  Vigging inactives D1 is a safe way to promote a lot of good things for the town and remove apathy.  Mish is my scumread but I am not confident enough in it to shoot someone who might show herself to be town later or have a PR.  

 

Darthe starts immediate defensiveness about me subbing in, acting like I'd def be an adversary. And I don't care if someone targets me, if they have what seems like legitimate reason for doing so. If they're just going @ me just to go @ me, well I might think something is up.

 

Either way Darthe favors shooting inactives (which promotes the idea of lynching inactives, indirectly), which is an easy policy type maneuver for scum to fall back on. I feel Darthe's recent push against Tsuki is also along these lines, I think he's going for low hanging fruit.

 

Vote Zanube

 

Hallia's vote after Darthe promotes killing inactives stinks of collusion. I'm starting to think they could be scum/scum after all.

 

Why?  I would rather let her get replaced by Des than waste the town lynch on an inactive who provides no info.

 

HOLY BACKTRACKBATMAN

 

Darthe: I favor killing inactives. I fear Des and we should lynch Zanube before he subs in

Hallia: vote Zanube

Darthe: whoawhoawhoa where you going hotshot? Let's let Des sub in instead, instead of targeting an inactive player.

 

...

 

(town profits)

 

[hazelkrs1]

Pt. 4

 

 

 

A bit busy week at work this week. Should get better later this week but not before.

Anyway, just had a read of the entire thread. Here are my reads of players. Took longer than expected.

1. Zanube - has a couple more posts than me :) I am particularly interested that his two main scum reads are those with the largest trains currently. Agreed that he could be influenced by the opinions of others, but that definitely stands out. Null.

2. Clovdyx - Has been pretty good at scumhunting. Like posts like this and this where he is actively questioning and scumhunting. Leaning town.Town.

3. CrayLee (Kaylee/Cory): In my other post, I mentioned how I was slightly suspicious of Cory. Kaylee does not seem very straightforward in her posts. I am a bit iffy of the fact that she is sure of me being town (here and here) with just one post, especially in which I call Cory out as my top suspect (which she does not address btw). Her vote on Amega looked like a good jumping-on-the-train vote. Leaning scum

4. Tsuki - His "case" and vote on Darthe seemed forced and quite opportunistic. However, I agree with his point on Hallia and in general, his other reads somewhat matches with mine. Null read however.

5. Amega - I see him making an effort to put his thoughts down, similar to what I noticed in the last game I played with him. Haven't played with him enough to know his meta. He is usually an easy target because of his aggressive posting. And, I believe that is what is happening in this game. I can see scum pushing his train. Leaning town.

6. Yates - Milton, Vanilla Town - Modkilled D1

7. Leno - He is in his usual jokey + occasional analytical meta. Tough to get whether he is town or scum. Though he seems to have parked his vote on Amega, and playing a safe game. A very safe game. Leaning scum.

8. Dawthe (Darthe/Dawn) - I do not agree with Tommy here about emotional Darthe. Darthe in Twillight game showed a lot of frustration and had an emotional outburst with Cory. I feel he is usualy like that Day 1 and starts bringing his good game D3 onwards. Again, leaning town here.

9. Hallia - from his posts, she seems the usual Hally with low content on Day 1. Null read on her, but slightly town intuition wise.

10. Pral - Town, yes.

11. Nommy (Nyn/Tommy): I have not seen him as town yet, except for a game I modded. So, it is difficult to get a good read on him. Though I notice that when he is scum he picks on any small opportunity/slips he gets and drils down to trap a townie in the ensuing arguments. I am not seeing that aggressive Tommy here. It feels more like he is looking at various persons and getting his reads. Leaning town.

12. Mish - Slightly iffy on her with her nudges in this post and here. She usually does that a lot when she is scum but not seeing enough of that here. Null, but could be scum. INteresting she clears Len and Kaylee as town here who are my top 2 scum reads.

13. Basel - As I mentioned in my earlier post, think he is town because of his posting without abandon. It has not lessened even in his later posts.

Overall, I think Len, Craylee are scum - Tsuki/Zanube/Mish/Hallia null - Tommy, Darthe, Basel, Amega, Clov town.

vote Craylee

 

Don't like these reads AT ALL but honestly just wanna post em for now. I'll get back to em specifically at some point. Pray does become a good info lynch tho for putting up a reads list so quick.

 

 

 

Mysogeny and sexism Nyn.  Terrible terrible things.

 

 

:P

 

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

This reaction.  I like it.

 

 

 

Fake scumhunting alert. Darthe you already said you had a townread on Nommy before this. Quit tryin to act town when you's aint.

 

Can we lynch Tsuki?  My WIM decreases exponentially with each post from it.

 

Oh yeah here's where Darthe starts gunning for what he sees as an easy target again. Again, comes out of nowhere. Darthe wasn't talking about Tsuki a bunch before this. Totally half-assed type "reasoning"

 

Tsuki can stay a villager

 

 

Unfortunately I agree.  Glad to get a good post from him though.

 

BAHAHAHAHA #DAT BACKTRACK ONCE AGAIN!!!

 

 

This came after an obvtown looking post from Tsuki. Tsuki had had the same type of tone in earlier posts as well, however. Darthe immediately has to retract the "fos" (if you can call suddenly saying "can we just lynch _____?" after not discussing that person much at all moments before an fos) because of the obvtown post.

 

YET

 

Darthe says "unfortunately"

 

as in - he's disappointed about it

 

as in - he's sad that it will be tough to get a mislynch through today for his team

 

 

Actually scratch that. I just remembered the good one he had yesterday. Its less than ideal but it does put him in a better light than mish/len.

Im so dumb at this game of late ).) Lesigh

I dont want to lynch amega today in any case. I would be more amiable to basel than that, if only because I expected a town basel to come in and continue his earlier presence and this one has failed to do so.

 

"I'm so dumb at this game of late" = trying to play up the "I r bad" angle to make his "reads" look excusable

 

And wait- Darthe has HARDDDDDD Defended, like Tim Duncan on the block Defended, Basel ALL game, yet now says he would lynch Basel before Amega?

 

 

You realize you may as well lynch me now right? A few days of D1 disorientation like ive shown on this one and I am effed for endgame. No way that presents positively

 

 

Len or Craylee would be my choice today.

Not sold on the Clov/Amega/Darthe wagons.Those have looked extremely easy for the scum to jump into.

 

Turrible post. Nothing in ANY way links those three people really, and nothing indicates them to be "easy" wagons for scum to hop on

 

Plus

 

You're pretty much automatically assuming them all to be scum in this premise

 

Which is ridiculous. This just looks like a fake as hell post distancing from all the active wagons to give you a reason to keep from voting any of them

 

Oh and Len or Craylee were turrible picks yesterday for good trains to vote on

 

 

Pral pings for his comment about the Clov wagon. As I supspect Amega, Pral having him as as an easy wagon pings as well. 

CrayLee and Nommy seem town. Pushing in all directions. Though I am a bit suspicous of how buddy-buddy Cory and Tommy are.

Darthe is nuetral. 

Clov got pretty heated when pushed by Tommy. Pings enough that I wouldn't feel bad voting him if he doesn't give a good accounting soon.

 

 

Now, I have a townie read on Tsuki, but this is something to keep in mind for down the road- this post pricked my ears indeed. The way Tsuki lays the foundation for a later vote on Clov is, like Dan LeBetard, highly questionable.

 

?

 

I think I would still rather have an Amega lynch, although Pral would also be good for me. I'm still feeling a scum lean about Tommy but my wish isn't coming true there today.

 

This was one of the posts giving me pause on my scumread on Basel from later on

 

the speed of the strains build is incredible.does anyone think that the wagon on currently is all town?I don't and so will probably wait until close to deadline to vote for him.how close are we?

 

Turrible. Remarks on the speed of the trains... even tho it didn't build up that fast. Makes some weird vague comment about wagonomics, then lays the foundation for a vote later.

 

 

Basel going "boo hoo I don't trust you so therefore your case can't be true" is absolutely ridiculous and a borderline scum claim if Clov flips scum, by the by.

I actually think it looks bad on him either way. Scum would do it to look better after the flip

 

 

This was the WHAAAAAAAAA????? post I linked to earlier. Again, after and during the entire time Darthe was HARD Defending Basel, he also soft fos's him here. Like WTF is Darthe even trying to have us believe? He quickly remembers he's supposed to be townreading Basel after this.

 

Hehe pts 3 n 4 and still got some nice stuff on Darthe as well as his cronies. Stay tuned

 

 

 

[Darthe]

@Des do you know what the world look like through scum colored glasses?

[hazelkrs1]

Meanwhile, in the Mafia QT...

 

 

 

 

I'm all like

 

 

 

and Des comes in and he's all like

 

 

 

Mish is chillaxing and she's all

 

 

 

Lenlo's in the back somewhere and he's all

 

 

 

and Tsuki is somewhere getting people's genders wrong

 

LAWLZ!!!!!

 

And also, how about a Benny Hill gif for Tsuki?

 

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

@Des do you know what the world look like through scum colored glasses?

 

No

 

U?

 

OH WAIT, YOU'RE ALREADY OUTED

 

WHOOPS

 

[hazelkrs1]

Okay, cranking out last two. Shouldn't take too long, I think there's more fluff in there

[Darthe]

*sigh* called it.

 

@Des, why should I think you town? How does scum me react here? How does town me react? What incentive do I have to spend the few free hours I have arguing a moot point when you have ~60 pages to use however you see fit and I have no info to provide trust in your word or alignment?

 

@Cory I know your scum list is wrong. No chance in hell that laya/basel are a scum team. Pick a different group. Who would you be scummates with if you were scum?

[Cory Caboose]

@Cory I know your scum list is wrong. No chance in hell that laya/basel are a scum team. Pick a different group. Who would you be scummates with if you were scum?

 

 

How about you stop A) just saying things with absolutely no reasoning whatsoever (Why is my scumlist wrong? I think I'm seeing the game pretty damn well and you seem to want to work with me, keep hiding behind that you "are playing bad", but then incessantly try to lead me somewhere else insisting that I am wrong. What in the thread says Basel-Pral cannot be scum-scum?) and B) stop asking me stupid questions

 

Every time I want to emotively clear you for saying something Desperate!Town sounding you say something like this

[michellem]

Darthe. How about some real scumhunting from you, not just reactions. Or, you know, saying something back about the accusations being made at you. Anything at all? Because right now you're just hitting all the tells (AtE, whyme=fryme, only reactive, not scumhunting) and I'm not seeing town Darthe. Probably because you really aren't, but on the extremely small chance you are, start trying to prove it, instead of just blowing off all accusations of being mafia.

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Hallia (1) - Basel

Basel (1) - Mish

 

Not Voting (8): Despo, CrayLee, Tsuki, Amega, Leno, Dawthe, Hallia, Pral

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Day 2 Deadline is Tuesday, May 13 @ 9 PM MST/PDT.

Deadline Link: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140513T21&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+2&csz=1

[Cory Caboose]

[v]Basel[/v]

 

In case you missed it or I just instalynched Verb out of the game

 

Booooooom

[michellem]

41-50... Thank god for silly nighttime chat so I can skim more. This is starting to get heavy.

 

 

 

 

@Basil

 

A townie would weigh in any and all new information and make an educated decision. The fact that you're refusing to acknowledge or address tommy's case on Clov because he's on your scum lean list bewilders me. We can work with you analyzing the case on Clov. Try to find holes in it if you're so sure tommy is talking out of his ass. We can't work with you flat out ignoring the case because you doubt the source. IF your goal is to scumhunt then look at the case and give your opinion about it.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

Nyn said it all so well. </3 come back from death Nommy!

 

 

Still concerned about Len/Mish on this wagon.  

But why

 

 

 

Cause I sus them tommy. Thats already been explained.

Yeah Cory that should change with a flip

 

Ugh ugh ugh @ Darthe's continued push on me and Len. He never makes a proper case on any on us, just keeps insisting we are scummy.

 

Pral basically flew into the thread and said based on my calculated Amega town flip, here is my thoughts on the players.

 

And when I asked him about it, he ignored me.

I asked Basel like five questions this game about his whole Tommy!Mafia conditional reads, and he ignored me.

 

People just hitting buttons

 

Yep still waiting on the answers to Cory's questions.

 

 

Still concerned about Len/Mish on this wagon.  

Why?

 

Cause I sus them tommy. Thats already been explained.

Yeah Cory that should change with a flip

You say that but you still havnt answered peoples questions from 2 pages ago. Your case's, as they are, are crap.

 

 

Darthe never answers to this as far as I can remember...

 

cory that is incorrect. And it only got personal when you took it to that level. If you thought i was taunting you in the beginning then im sorry. I was merely pointing out that the whole game pretty much let tommy run the show even though the majority of our team where prominent scum reads. And he did that by linking himself with you. And since he wasn't doing it here as much made me feel a little better about him. 

 

Not sure after this flip though. He just man handled a lynch 5 hours before deadline. 

 

And this is all Amega comes back with. Has he posted D2? Come on Amega, if you're town, put this personal crap behind you and play the game. Also, stop talking about The Red Wedding. Play this game.

 

Still think it's unlikely he's mafia though. Still don't think team members wouldn't reign him in.

 

 

So, Tommy, how did that lynch work out for you? Still feel Clov is scum?

You were the one driving that train. You were the one putting forth the WoT "proving" how scummy he was. And then repeating your WOT in case anyone missed it. And now that he flipped town, you are the one with egg on your face. I didn't believe your case. You should look more closely at the people following along with you on the Clov train.

 

My case actually was quite good -- I just didn't know Clov posts the same useless questions as town.

 

Your avoidance of the lynch yesterday was B.S. because you said "I won't follow your case because I think you're scum."

Yet when prompted for reasoning as to how you're reading me as scum, you give some vague meta reasons relating to a game you hosted, not even played in.

Newsflash: I'm playing nothing like I did in that game.

This just in: avoiding townie wagons with flimsy reasoning like that makes you look scummy.

Good news, everyone: I'm shooting Basel tonight.

 

 

I wish you were a vig and not a cop Nommy, so you could have done this. Because DAT SCUMMY POST.

 

If I die or get redirected or something please lynch him. Thanks.

 

I know NK's are alot of wifom when connected to players. But I really feel like part of Nommy being the nightkill was to make it look like Basel was being framed = aka clear him. Also an indirect framing of Cory to make him look bad. More on that later I think if I remember correctly what I've quoted XD

 

 

He's avoiding my question too.
 
Who's up for a Pral lynch?

 
LOL, trying to set up the lynch at the last moment when you know I am not available to respond? Nice try.
 
Also, no. I missed the link in my original post .... I was referring to this about nudging Amega and Zanube.

 

 

How was I supposed to know he wasn't around? I can't remember seeing a posts where he said he wouldn't be.

 

He also hasn't responded to my answers to this post. Pingypingping.

 

 

 

Overall, I think Len, Craylee are scum - Tsuki/Zanube/Mish/Hallia null - Tommy, Darthe, Basel, Amega, Clov town.

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Amega (1) - Basel

Hallia (1) - Clov

CrayLee (2) - Pral, Amega

Clov (7) - Nommy, CrayLee, Mish, Tsuki, Leno, Dawthe, Hallia

 

 

Not Voting (1): Zanube

 

Frankly, I am loving my reads so far. I think there is definitely 2 scum in that train.

 

I don't agree with Basel on Tommy being suspicious because he was leading the Clov lynch. I am more concerned about those who readily started having a scum read on Clov as soon as TOmmy made his case. Tsuki leads that followed by Mish, Lenlo and Craylee. 

 

Darthe's and Hallia's vote came closer at the deadline when there seemed to be no other alternative. However, it still could be possible that was a last minute push by scum but combining with my overall reads, don't think that is the case. 

 

(edited out vote quotes)

 

"loving my reads so far". Does not sound like a townieline (disagree wholeheartedly with you there Tommy). Sounds like mafia trying to sound townie. Now Tsuki's on his suspect list. And he both defends and distances from Darthe and Hallia.

 

 

Pral, where are you at irt Basel right now? I remember you defending him before. Does that still stand?

I am fine where I was, as of now.

Though, meta reads aside, I don't like the fact that he was not getting on the Clov train with an easy excuse that he doesn't trust Tommy. I don't think that all scum are on the Clov train. That leaves me, Basel, Amega and Zanube. From my perspective, Zanube is just inactive. Basel and Amega needs to be looked in the future.

 

 

Wait, just one post ago it was Tsuki, Len and myself. And now it's Basel and Amega. Amega who he thought was town (as pointed out by Cory, I think). These posts doesn't add up.

 

 

So all of your reads are conditional on an Amega town flip because he is an "easy lynch"

And amega needs to be looked into

Thumbs up

Yes, but I have more information now.
Looking back, I do think it was a good assumption to work with on Day 1. Considering that more or less the same set jumped on Clov.

 

 

Ah now he's clearing himself up so that he can go after Amega later.

 

No one agrees with me for my one preferred lynch, Zan.  For my second, I'm torn between Tommy and Cory.  They're both very very capable players, and I know how vocal Tommy is regardless of alignment (or maybe I don't, he's always scum )  Very good chance one of the two is wuffeh.

 

Can't decide if I think NK was used to make Hallia look bad here or not.

 

get Despot in the game

 

get him naoooooooo

 

Not that I had any doubts, but this post completly cemented Cory as town for me. If he's mafia, I don't think he'd be that eager to get Des in. Mafia was probably plotting to kill Tommy at this point, in other words getting rid of the player who's best at reading Cory. So if Cory was mafia, why would he want another player that's really good at reading him in? GOAT Cory.

 

 

 

He's avoiding my question too.
 
Who's up for a Pral lynch?

 
LOL, trying to set up the lynch at the last moment when you know I am not available to respond? Nice try.
 
Also, no. I missed the link in my original post .... I was referring to this about nudging Amega and Zanube.

 

 

So me questioning Zanube about what exactly what he means in his post is nudging? I guess there's an awful lot of nudging going around here then. And I'd already stated my suspicion of Amega. I dont remember if I was voting him or Darthe at that exact point, but I had voted him at least when I wrote that post. Please explain to me again how that is nudging.

 

Also, you've apparantly had such a good grip on my meta in games we have been in together lately. Where's that now?

 

 

Don't think Pral every answered this. Also, this is worth noting: I think in at least the three last games I've played with Pral, he's said he's got a very good grip on my meta and either defended or accused me based of that. I think he was town in all those games. Here, he doesn't even try that once.

 

I feel better now regarding Zan now that the MOD. Said something about them actually not posting. Anything else is gameplay and lurking is a tactic people use.

 

I'm sorry Hallia. I really do like you as a person, you're very sweet and you'll always be my ajah sis in my heart (I feel I have to say this because I know I ciritize your play alot), but this post coming from you just made me roll my eyes big time.

 

 

 

 

 

Ok I'm gonna continue on until the page where I started my reread now.

[hazelkrs1]

Pt. 5385926791275, or part 5, one of the two

 

 

 

##unvote vote clov

Ill be upset with you if he us town tommy but I see clearly what you were remarking on.

 

Seriously, like the scummiest vote of all time. This is where Darthe went from being "Meh, he looks scummy as hell and makes no sense, but he could be derping again unfortunately..." to "No, there's no freaking way Darthe is town this game" for me.

 

I mean co mon mon. Darthe first tries pinning the lynch on Tommy and saying he'd be upset with him, to immediately saying he sees what Tommy is saying.

 

That's just- there is no way that comes out of town!Darthe's mouth. This is scum!Darthe we're dealing with here, yo.

 

Unvote

 

Vote Clov

 

 

Let's cross our fingers

 

This vote was turrible as well. Yes, the vote was sort of needed, but it's still just a blatant consolidation vote on what ended up being a townie. For others, this might be a little bit more of a nulltell. Scum!Hallia otoh will hide behind votes like these all game.

 

 

Unvote

Vote Clov


Let's cross our fingers

This hammer is bad. Let's cross our fingers? I wish we had more from Hally d1

 

 

Again, this was something that initially made me feel scum connection between Darthe and Hallia seemed unlikely, but eh this could also be on a teammate. He says the hammer is bad, but then laments that we didn't get more from Hallia D1, so kinda makes it seem like there's nothing against her or something.

 

So, Tommy, how did that lynch work out for you? Still feel Clov is scum?

You were the one driving that train. You were the one putting forth the WoT "proving" how scummy he was. And then repeating your WOT in case anyone missed it. And now that he flipped town, you are the one with egg on your face. I didn't believe your case. You should look more closely at the people following along with you on the Clov train.

 

Basel, this post really was just really hard to swallow as coming from a townie. Like others have said, you seem more like you're taunting Tommy here instead of trying to engage him legitimately ITT as a scumread.

 

This took me from thinking you could be derping to thinking you were scum after all, btw. Well, also some of the stuff before this, where you pretty much refused to listen to any case from Tommy cause you thought him scum, yet later criticize the case, that coulda been TMI, and certainly wasn't a townie trying to absorb new information in.

 

 

Pral, where are you at irt Basel right now? I remember you defending him before. Does that still stand?

I am fine where I was, as of now.

Though, meta reads aside, I don't like the fact that he was not getting on the Clov train with an easy excuse that he doesn't trust Tommy. I don't think that all scum are on the Clov train. That leaves me, Basel, Amega and Zanube. From my perspective, Zanube is just inactive. Basel and Amega needs to be looked in the future.

 

 

Opens the window somewhat for Pray to just have bad reads, as opposed to being a wolf.

 

No one agrees with me for my one preferred lynch, Zan.  For my second, I'm torn between Tommy and Cory.  They're both very very capable players, and I know how vocal Tommy is regardless of alignment (or maybe I don't, he's always scum )  Very good chance one of the two is wuffeh.

 

This is an important post to note of Mish's. She first says no one followed her on the Zanube lynch, like duh obviously since errone knows lynching an inactive D1 is stoopid, and then says she thinks one of Nommy and Craylee (interesting that she's ignoring the other heads btw) is a wolf, pretty much for no reasons given.

 

And then, Tommy JUST SO HAPPENS to be NK'ed, and lo and behold now Hallia is saying she thinks Craylee is scum

 

GEE I WONDER

 

 

 

I've mentioned why zan a few times. I mentioned one half for Cory because his other half is gone for now, I mention tommy only because I forgot he was a hydra. I think Cory is more likely, call it a gut feeling.

For the record, your sarcasm is wasted on me

 

Lame response imo. All amounts to "a gut feeling", still no real reasoning for why those two contain a wolf and not some other random active pair

 

Town say " I thought he was more lilely to be scum" or something similar

 

But that's not what he was saying there

 

He was saying Amega seemed like an easier lynch to pursue. This isn't some abstract concept- some players are harder to lynch than others. Going @ them before you have sufficient evidence to get them hung could sign your death warrant and have town forget your posts ever existed. If you share a common read with others and you know it will be unlikely to get your other scumread lynched, why wouldn't you vote the other?

 

We do, youre just not game for it yet. Basel is on his regular meta and if he flips scum ill be shocked. I wont be voting him if I have a choice.

 

Moar hard defense of Basel even tho Darthe earlier was waffling on his read on Basel

 

 

One of the creepiest freaking gifs I have err SEEN. I love how slow the dealwithit glasses move down

 

 

PS if i die tonight and Tommy starts speedlynching townies with an evil smile ignore my stance on him and lynch him ASAP

 

it's really sad i have to say that

Yeah, I kinda want to say that about him since he left me out of everyone but eh, I'd rather say it about you and believe that my meta on you is completely backwards instead of partially screwed.

 

 

Seriously, someone help me. My Darthespeak translator broke two wots ago

 

 

 

Sure, ignore me.

 

Nothing new there.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

It was mainly that your question didn't warrant a response.  We is people in general since you somehow couldn't figure that out.

 

 

Okay this is somewhat tinfoiling type reasoning, but yeah Darthe says "we" means people in general here

 

Yet the context he was using it in before was obviously supposed to be "we" as in "town"

 

Could be Darthe was worried about giving any LD'able statement, so said he meant we in general instead of we as in town.

 

Like I said, kinda out there reasoning, but still, something worth hanging on to or adding to the substantial case on Darthe

 

 

Yes, that means exactly what it sounds like. You're on my scum list.
 

 

You used to be able to read me well 

 

 

 

I stole Tommy's ability to MINDMELD TOWNREAD you

 

You had zero input on yesterday's lynch apart from asking me if I'm sure and then afterward you told people to lynch me if you die

Today when Pral was making actual sense you wigged out about NOTHING and now he's on your scum list. Why? For ignoring one question of yours?

Do. Not. Push. Me. I will explode.

 

 

 

Are you guys gonna break up?

 

 

 

 

Nyn

I hope so. Cause then they both become on the market again.

 

 

Lenlo sometimes I really do you

 

Then I leave the money on the dresser and grab my coat

 

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

Pt. 6

 

 

 

 

THERE WAS A FIREFIGHT

 

 

 

 

You made me the happiest I've been in 52 pages.  

 

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrDgriFeW4g

 

It figures, the one time he's not scum.

 

HOWWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLL

 

 

If you make it through tomorrow I am going to be concerned.  Your scumread on Basel is wrong, I soul read him.  

 

Tommy was an easy D1 psuedo-clear.  

 

IMO this kill paints you in a worse light due to that conversation and I think I'm going to ignore the night talk completely in this case.  It could affect my read on you in either way and neither of them merit true consideration.

 

Laya looks good to me.  Hally is prob, town as is Tsuki though the latter two look derp.  We can get there but I want to explore real leans first.  

 

I'ma be ticked if Zanube is mafia.

 

Awful awful falafel post. Lays seeds for wifom case on Cory in the future. Uses NK to try and fos Cory immediately, and says he will ignore all night talk.

 

Says Pray looks town, then slips in a town read on Hallia with Tsuki. I think Darthe and Hallia being scummates is looking more likely again.

 

Oh and then oh yeah, says some pointless vague statement about being ticked if Zanube ended up being mafia. Low hang fruithunt some moar Darthe.

 

Yeah I don't want a zanube lynch.  Tsuki I went back and forth on but tom townspewed her and the arguments he made were right.  She is bad, not scum (probably).  I think that's low hanging fruit from you but then your whole list is.  

 

Basel is clear and I've said it from the start of D1.

 

Laya is pretty easy to clear and I am confused as to why you've flipped on him.  

 

Hally is just?

 

Hallia is just? ....what Darthe? Hallia is what? Cause like TWO SECONDS AGO you were saying she was town. No you're indicating nullish. Again, what narrative are you even trying to sell town on? That you really are "that bad" this game?

 

MmmmmmmmmmOD ANNOUNCEMENT:

 

Despo will be stepping in for Zanube.  Prepare yourselves   .

 

 

But whenever you get in, some stuff that would REALLY help me clarify stuff

 

Did Zanube rand villa?  

 

Do you think Pral is outside of his wolf meta here? Several people say he's in line with his town game, and Tommy has played with him more than me, and he's really driving me up the wall Red-style considering he's like purposefully making it impossible for me to follow him.

Is Basel somehow town here? He's been softdefended by Darthe and Pral for being "obvitown", another thing I don't SEE AT ALL. Would Town!Darthe and Town!Pral both think this is Basel as town? Is Basel this absurdly useless as town? Would he treat Tommy as a wolf and then flip on him potentially being town after Tommy lead a mislynch Basel refused to take part in?

 

Can Amega fake being volatile as a wolf? I remember him fooling me in Mass Effect after Thane screwed up, he came in very reasonable and did good damage control. He's sort of flying off the handle here, which is making me think he's a villager.

 

There are so many players just hard defending players without any explanation that this is the sort of game I feel ROBBED without having strong meta reads and Darthe has been random and everyone else has been invisible.

 

HALP

 

Okay now that I can respond more in depth to this post-

 

IRT Pray meta: Scum!Pray is more likely to semi-lurk, he'll look marginally active for a bit but will mainly just be blending in or will look for small things to point out. If Pray is VT, sometimes he'll be megadisinterested. He might have worked on that tho. As far as whether or not he seems scummy- well, he doesn't have as much on him as others do, but then he hasn't posted as much as others. He was fairly active for a bit, but eh the weekend hit and he's normally inactive on weekends so hard to tell. Def can't clear him yet, and meta on him isn't quite strong enough to tell one way or the other either. His reads alone make him >rand to be wolf however.

 

So Hally brings the hammer, and then is also the first one to post after daybreak. Waiting to swoop in? Did she have her reaction all planned out? She also sticks up for Amega, most likely to take heat off him:
 

 

@ Amega
 
I think you asked me how I felt about you at some point. Sorry for forgetting to address it.
 
 
I am bothered by how different you're playing here as opposed to Red Wedding. It's not a little bit different. It's a 180 different. You've gone from a lurky play to full blown loud play. I know that you said that you tend to change your style with every game. It's still a bit disconcerting to me. The last player I pointed out doing a 180 in play turned out being scum. So this makes me wary.
 
With that said, I do agree with tommy that most of the day you seemed like the obvious lynch. So right now I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and keep observing your play.
 
 
 
Nyn

 
I am not so sure, I've seen Amega be vocal as a townie (Look at our most recent game in Thak)  
 
I actually have a good townie vibe coming from Amega.

[v]Hally.[/v]

 

 

This swoop in by Basel was gross to the max- ignoring all the recent comments and cases made against him, parks a vote on an easy target if in some way she's town.

 

Thing that stinks is there's wifom here: town!Basel will also often ignore attention as well, choosing to go utr a bit. I think he knows he can sometimes be lynchbait so tries not to draw too much attention to himself, and will also act a bit scummy to try and avoid a NK, like I do.

 

Omgus is only for votes mish   youre nit much of a spindoctor.

When do we lynch her?

 

That's not true, OMGUS can be with just suspicions as well

 

'cause I'm catching up everywhere!  (Disney trumps DM, true story)

 

Glad to see Des, that clears up one of my suspicions for now

 

Darthe's frustration seems to be genuine regarding his other head.  Still a strange, strange creature

 

I normally am behind Cory 110%  but I think there's a good likelyhood of him being teh mafs.

 

Bold: ROFLMAO how does me subbing in for Zanube clear up any "suspicions" you might have had on the slot? That makes no sense Hallia lol.

 

I won't mind if you start lolcatting btw.

 

 

Italics: defends Darthe while distancing somewhat right after

 

Underlined: continues party line of pushing Cory as mafia because... Tommy died and flipped town... and that makes sense....? Nope, it doesn't.

 

 

I appreciate cory calling me a "she". Watch a lot of anime, do you?

 

 

 

 

Bahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

*crying tears of laughter*

 

=/ You're going to have a hard time if you try to find my scumbuddies and match things based on that since I am town.  I thought we were past this Cory.  Don't sadden me.

 

Lol so funny you say this Darthe. If you were truly reading his wot's, you would have seen that you weren't his top scumread, that would have been Basel.

 

So funny wifdat overdefensiveness

 

I feel like you're gonna hit me if I say idk.  I don't see either of them but I am known for being wrong so ).)  I'm really bothered by the total blank that is ZanuDes.  You look villa to me right now which at this point makes me uneasy.  Your own montra is "lynch me if I make it to d3".  You + Des is essentially the end of the game here.  I think Laya and Basel are town.  I'm not pushing against them unless you provide compelling evidence to the contrary and right now all that I see is that Laya is safe and basel is derp.

 

Why should you be bothered that I'm a blank? I just subbed in, if you're town you should be able to see soon enough that I'm town, and hopefully you can start towntelling from there.

 

Oh and I dunno WHERE DAFRUCTOSE SUGAR you got that Cory's mo is "lynch me if I make it to D3" - it is excruciatingly obvious that you are trying to set up the narrative that Cory living too long = Cory being definite scum. It's such an absurd absurd thing to be obsessed with, and yet that's all you seem to mention about Cory lately

 

Here's my issue.  If we lynch one of them I know exactly where you're going.  It gets ignored that I called em town all game and I am the final mislynch.

 

They are flipping town so that isn't happening so long as I am here.  Too many of these freaking weak townies shouldn't have signed up.  The apathy ends this game for my team and I can't half ass work with it.

 

This all of a sudden griping whiny tone from Darthe here does not in any way jive with the posts of his surrounding this one, which were all apologizing for how bad his reads were. Darthe is all over the place here peeples.

 

My biggest fear here is losing like the sixth game in a row.  Since you've known me I have been absolute dog shit.  I didn't get into the champs game like that, didn't get nominated for player of the year twice and certainly didn't get the respect I have previously held on this forum like that.  IDK WTF is going on on this end but I do not want to lose again and I trust nobody.  Honestly Cory?  I can't tell you where most of my reads are coming from.  Reading back they look like hell and so do I here.  I'm kind of lost and the only person I consistently like is you but I keep WIFOMing it.

 

Sorry, looks like AtE to me.

 

I agree on Tsuki.  I've went back and forth on him based on tone etc but yeah he is prob town.  Zanube has bothered me because we have so little.  Des, this late into things, has so much ammo on anyone that I am mentally preparing myself to go all out on him because otherwise we are late enough in that he can dominate this game and we don't have any built evidence to really stop him.  

 

I also get your len read but mish has had awful tone this game.  Internal consistency isn't hard for her to fake, especially when she doesn't have to say a lot.  

 

Amega has been clear almost all game so idk what you're seeing there.  Hally is a def weak link.  I'd rather lynch her than Basel by a lot.  And, I'll admit, my read on Basel has been mostly reinforced by having to argue his meta so much.  That creates bias and thus I am probably overstating how town he really looks to me at this point.  Laya I just don't see scummy. Idk, if you post well doesn't that mean you're playing well?  It doesn't make him town it just makes him someone I want to see tomorrow.

 

Alot wrong with this post. Alot.

 

First of all, Darthe continues to seem all hung up about Zanube being inactive... when inactives are a part of EVERY freaking game. Why would Zanube stand out in particular?

 

Next he continues preparing for me as an adversary before I've ever posted against him, and since I know I'm town, to me this makes it immensely clear that Darthe is scum worried about thunderdoming with me.

 

Next he says Mish has had awful tone. BS.

 

Says Amega and Pray, two questionable people, are town, and doesn't in any way say why. Says Amega "clear all game" , which for all I know could be a sick, sadistic, twisted, uncool joke from Darthe, and that Pray he just "don't see scummy". That's it. Bleurgh.

 

Says Hallia is a weak link now, after earlier saying she was town and then immediately after null, then town again. Again, Darthe is all over the freaking place here errone.

 

Lastly distances from his read on Basel.... which is like the biggest thing Darthe has "contributed" to this game- his defense of Basel on meta.

 

 

---

 

So okay not as much on Basel as I would like, but eh, he seems to be lurking imo. If he's town, he's still not helping in any way, so I think a vote on him would be nice to get him out of the woodwork. Let's go ahead and [v]Basel[/v]

 

If I don't pass out from exhaustion an amaze soon I'll try to reformulate my thoughts into an easy to read post... hopefully.

[hazelkrs1]

There's an orgy of evidence against Darthe. Thing is, he might be worth some spew mebbe, and he certainly won't make it to endgame as a wolf. If he truly is derptown TO THE EXTREME, then we can try and give him one more phase to redeem himself.

 

Hallia looks like just about CONFSCUM to me. On her scum meta, the whole setup with Cory and Tommy was wolfy as hell, and she is dropping her biggest scumtell right now: straight up not responding to other's questions on her. Only time she sort of did, it was to Mish and was a bit snarky.

 

Pray has awful, awful reads. Has at least attempted to back them up... with bad reasoning, but eh... not sure if scum!Pray would push that kind of bad reasoning. But that could be me wifoming it- his read on Basel did look wolfy as hell, and he, like Darthe and Hallia, seem to want to kill the towniest people ITT

 

Amega could be most likely of that group to be town. His early provocation of Cory mighta been cause of carryover from TRW.

 

Basel... looks really bad in so many spots. He would also make an excellent info lynch, after all a scumflip on him would pretty much #solve the game, right? All the people who offered resistance to that read and that train... yeah. If he's scum he'll likely claim and fearmonger any who leave their vote on him or something. If town PR he'll be more remorseful but will try getting out reads to still try and help town if he gets lynched. If VT he might fake claim just to save his skin anyways, keep that in mind. He's done it multiple times in the past.

 

AORN, don't really see any deep wolves in my LOCK CLEAR crew. If some flips started going weird ways I might have to start tinfoiling sooner rather than later, but for now they're all still locked in. First townie from the across the line to prove themselves townie in some way pretty much makes the game #solved

[hazelkrs1]

I love how the CorDesMish Hydra has been like crossposting all these wots with all kinds of mindmelds in em. Pretty amazing actually. This is like the manual on how to build a power town circle.

 

[hazelkrs1]

Darthe. How about some real scumhunting from you, not just reactions. Or, you know, saying something back about the accusations being made at you. Anything at all? Because right now you're just hitting all the tells (AtE, whyme=fryme, only reactive, not scumhunting) and I'm not seeing town Darthe. Probably because you really aren't, but on the extremely small chance you are, start trying to prove it, instead of just blowing off all accusations of being mafia.

 

THIS. SO MUCH THIS.

 

Thank you Mish, for putting it so perfectly. Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[Lenlo]

I love how the CorDesMish Hydra has been like crossposting all these wots with all kinds of mindmelds in em. Pretty amazing actually. This is like the manual on how to build a power town circle.

 

Des find me RTE. I want my hydra buddy. Maybe we can pull off a LyLo Darthe vig again.

[hazelkrs1]

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Hallia (1) - Basel
Basel (3) - Mish, Craylee, Despo

Not Voting (6): Tsuki, Amega, Leno, Dawthe, Hallia, Pral

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 Deadline is Tuesday, May 13 @ 9 PM MST/PDT.
Deadline Link: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140513T21&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+2&csz=1

[hazelkrs1]

 

I love how the CorDesMish Hydra has been like crossposting all these wots with all kinds of mindmelds in em. Pretty amazing actually. This is like the manual on how to build a power town circle.

 

Des find me RTE. I want my hydra buddy. Maybe we can pull off a LyLo Darthe vig again.

 

 

Lol yall were like a bitter old married couple or something

 

LAWLZ

 

 

I remember you butting heads, but everything sorta working out at the same time lol. Hydras r fun

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Hallia (1) - Basel

Basel (3) - Mish, CrayLee, Despo

 

Not Voting (6): Tsuki, Amega, Leno, Dawthe, Hallia, Pral

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Day 2 Deadline is Tuesday, May 13 @ 9 PM MST/PDT.

Deadline Link: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140513T21&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+2&csz=1

[michellem]

LAST PART YAAAAAAAAAAAAY. I wanna go play sims. This has taken far too much of my valueable Sims time

 

 

 

 

 

I have a niggling suspicion in my stomach that my reads are totally wrong and this game has at least 1 really good deep scum. 

 

Darthe starts slightly backtracking on his scum leans on me and Len here...

 

 

Y'all are nuts. That is all.

Ordinarily I take that as a compliment. Online or in RL.

 

 

Several people had directed posts Basels way at this point if I'm not much mistaken. And this is what he posts when he's finally on. Zero game content.

 

i'm going to sleep

 

i'm going to go through everything again and GOAT us back into this

 

i already have some thoughts but i want to wait until i can process everything

 

this seriously blows

 

 

We are gonna need that Cory.  

 

Heh... Darthe still isn't acting on his own.

 

If you make it through tomorrow I am going to be concerned.  Your scumread on Basel is wrong, I soul read him.  

 

Tommy was an easy D1 psuedo-clear.  

 

IMO this kill paints you in a worse light due to that conversation and I think I'm going to ignore the night talk completely in this case.  It could affect my read on you in either way and neither of them merit true consideration.

 

Laya looks good to me.  Hally is prob, town as is Tsuki though the latter two look derp.  We can get there but I want to explore real leans first.  

 

I'ma be ticked if Zanube is mafia.

 

Also still defending Basel. Still not anything concrete, just a soul read.

 

Says he suspects Cory for the nightkill, and then says he'll ignore nighttalk. But still planting the idea there. Tsk.

 

And here he doesn't think that Zanube is mafia.

 

I am willing to lynch mish this game but if I am honest it is mostly for one post where the way she stated her points was really unfitting imo.

 

Oh and now he only wants to lynch me because one of my posts were "unfitting" Do please elaborate on this Darthe. When did your scum lean on my drop, and why, and wich post is unfitting, and why did you spend all of D1 pushing me and Len without ever presenting a case on either of us?

 

 

I would love to see you start working too
 
Some things in my head: A lot of people tripped over themselves to clear Tommy yesterday with flimsy reasoning. We all know exactly how good of a wolf Tommy is, and he basically never howls and forces things in to my narrative as wolf while I'm still alive, so I'm very interested in people who said "Tommy is town lol" with no real significant reasoning - I would hope this forum had healthier paranoia than that
 
Specifically Tom, btw. Nyn was very villagery and that makes sense in my head, and my reasons for thinking Tom was town were more emotional than logical and Nyn's presence helped that read for me a lot
 
But I specifically remember people clearing TOM, ignoring Nyn for the most part, for reasons that you should never clear him
 
My only hesitancy to lynch Basel at this point is that the kill almost looks TOO bad for him at this point, but from the hip he's my no. 1 scumread going into this phase
 
Still think Pral/Hallia/Tsuki are firmly within POE and I can't say I'm super thrilled with the "One of Cory/Tom is scum" movement last night with the Mafia already knowing Tommy would die
 
But I generally don't take it too well when people kill Tommy

That is a very weak way of looking at things. There was clearly a difference in the way Tommy played in the House/Twilight games and here and I have reasoned it out in my posts earlier. It may be hard for you to believe that there is actually a difference in his play or maybe Tommy plays very consciously in other sites. But, I have only the DM experience of Tommy and I could see that.

What do you think of the people jumping on the clov train? Do you think all those were townies? Is Tsuki your only scum read off that?

 

 

Pral comes back. Ignores several posts directed on him and only wants to focuse on those on the clov train.

 

 

Tsuki isn't even really a scum read, I just have a lot of villagers and he's in the POE
 
Maybe I am misclearing someone, I will need to reread. I'm honestly not SUPER confident in any villager ATM besides maybe Darthe and even then that's an emotional read because a lot of his content doesn't make a great deal of sense to me

The major issue is I have very little to work off of - most people have been hard-defending other players and not really explaining it.
I'l re-look at EOD and the Clov train.
 
Pral, some of this might be because you missed The Red Wedding, the last game that was run, which had a lot of feels and involved Tommy playing a really Town!Tom game for two phases (until I got NKed) and then basically fooling town into lynch obvitown every phase after despite me and AJ (we were a hydra) having the game just about solved as cop with two red checks. Big dramatic game that was an extreme amount of frustration for a lot of players due to the last handful of townies being most inactives/people unable to keep up the game thread and just listening to Tommy.
 
I also think it's why Amega was mad at me when this game began, as I didn't talk too favorably about the scum group
Think I've started my feather-ruffling phase here 

 

See, that is exactly why I don't have good vibes on you. I somewhat agree with your point about looking at people who cleared Tommy easily. But, Tommy wasn't the only town flip yesterday. Clov was too.

 

I don't think a town Cory would ignore such an important detail when he is analyzing the day's play. You have been focusing too much on the former and  too less on the latter. Which I don't think is accidental. 

 

Regarding Red Wedding, yes, I followed that game in the end stage and I felt what was happening. Do you think that is what happened in this game too on Day 1 - people just listening to Tommy?

 

 

Still focusing on Clov... Subtly FoSing Cory. Wich should be the most clear townie at that point.

 

 

 

Um, when did I say I was going to ignore Clov's flip? I want to reread EOD as well. I haven't even opened up my notepad/started my reread, as I like to try and do it all at once at home and I'm up north most of today.

 

Day 1 of Red Wedding was fine, it was Day 4+ on. Tommy should be listened to early - he's one of the best townies in the game when he's town.

 

 

Obviously I am not talking about getting the exact set of information from Clov's flip. You basically completely ignored his whole flip till now,not  even mentioning it when you were giving your basic thoughts. You have already a few posts today but none of that even hinted about looking at it, which is what stands out for me.

 

You even ignored my questions related to his flip in your response. 

 

 

And again: Clov's train!

 

But he hasn't voted any of those he thinks are suspect on Clov's train.

 

Basel is indeed this useless as town.

Finally Des is in. Prepare yourselves. Im about to get called scummy in 90 different ways ill refuse to respond to and when I flip town he is going to say he has lost faith in me as a player for it.


Every game.

 

And here Darthe is discrediting Des (again!) before he ever gets into the game.

 

Yeah I am waiting.  That said I actually think he will see me as town this game.  I've done a pretty good job of presenting my thoughts on thread and keeping involved even if you didn't always get it.  I think maybe I need to explain things better?

 

This posts however, says he thinks Des is town (because if Des was mafia, he'd know Darthe was town. So he must mean he thinks Des is town and that Des will see him  as town too).

 

Also: "see me as town". Am I the only one thinking that phrazing is extremely suspect?

 

Now that Zanube is Des something in my gut says he is scum.  IDK what it is, must be some sort of lynch magnetism.  I'm drawn to place a vote there.

 

And yet, this is his next post (without Des posting anything in the meantime), now Des is scum and he wants to vote him (but doesn't though).

 

So Hally brings the hammer, and then is also the first one to post after daybreak. Waiting to swoop in? Did she have her reaction all planned out? She also sticks up for Amega, most likely to take heat off him:
 

 

@ Amega
 
I think you asked me how I felt about you at some point. Sorry for forgetting to address it.
 
 
I am bothered by how different you're playing here as opposed to Red Wedding. It's not a little bit different. It's a 180 different. You've gone from a lurky play to full blown loud play. I know that you said that you tend to change your style with every game. It's still a bit disconcerting to me. The last player I pointed out doing a 180 in play turned out being scum. So this makes me wary.
 
With that said, I do agree with tommy that most of the day you seemed like the obvious lynch. So right now I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and keep observing your play.
 
 
 
Nyn

 
I am not so sure, I've seen Amega be vocal as a townie (Look at our most recent game in Thak)  
 
I actually have a good townie vibe coming from Amega.

[v]Hally.[/v]

 

 

Aaaand again this is all Basel has to comment on. And even after it being pointed out by me later that he was posting elsewhere and not in the game on Sunday, he doesn't post. And when he does, he goes on ignoring the points raised against him. Sound familiar? Yeah, Pral and Darthe has been doing the exact same thing.

 

Okay yeah Pray using meta to townread Basel is really strange. Just got to that. Pray is still a relative newblood to the DM mafia scene, and Basel hasn't played a ton lately. Furthermore, Pray says Basel "goes without abandon" when he is town.... Basel was not "going without abandon" early in the thread, most of his posts were fluff up to that point.

 

So yeah, something seems strange there to me as well.

 

Des is.... *sighs* lock clear. THERE YOU MADE ME SAY IT.

 

Omgus is only for votes mish youre nit much of a spindoctor.

When do we lynch her?

 

Hahahahaha. I've seen people use OMGUS for votes, cases, FoSes... This is so thin it'll rip if you look hard at it.

 

If you think Mish is scum, please make a real case on her that makes sense besides that she thinks you are Mafia - she makes sense to me and has WIM

My reasons for thinking you are town are almost 99% emotive since I can't follow you logically and I will admit I have read people wrong emotionally before

I would prefer not to lynch EITHER of you today. I'm on page 42 currently with a glass of wine and I'm almost entirely sure I POE'd this game successfully Day 1. I don't see anything all that different. I have an idea of what Des will see if he's town (and I'm going to treat him like it's Day 1 since he just entered the game anyway so basically expect me to white-knight the hell out him) and hopefully I can do what I failed to do in Day 1 and that's hardclear some villabr0s to make this easy when I die

 

WINTER IS COMING.

 

I would to look into and perhaps even DISCUSS things with Amega today (he has been active in the other game but disappeared in this one as soon as people starting thinking he was too volatile to be Mafia)

 

Darthe never answered this. Completly ignored it.

 

I'm still thinking Amega is scum. My mind keeps coming back to his defensive overreaction on D1... you know, the one I noticed and then Zanube sheeped me noticing.

 

And Basel is still in his own world ignoring the rest of the game around him. Alot has happened since the post by Amega he mentions. But that apparantly isn't worth mentioning. And he also paints Zanube/Des in a bad way here.

 

Just the fact that he doesn't once flinch at Darthe's hardcore defense of him is telling.

 

=/ You're going to have a hard time if you try to find my scumbuddies and match things based on that since I am town.  I thought we were past this Cory.  Don't sadden me.

 

This is Darthe's next post. After Cory has asked him to post a proper case on me.

 

 

 

 

 

So, in complete conclusion.

 

Darthe: Scummy McScummerson, would be my preferred lynch today

Basel: Scummy McScummerson Jr, number 2 preferred lynch

Pral: Cousin Scummy McScummerson

Hallia: Greyzone

Amega: Probably derp town.

Tsuki: Town

Len: Town

Craylee: GOAT TOWN

Des: Town

[Cory Caboose]

Des between Basel and Darthe who are you more confident on?