[Basic] Real Genius Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN AND SURVIVOR WIN

[Cory Caboose]

i'm going to sleep

 

i'm going to go through everything again and GOAT us back into this

 

i already have some thoughts but i want to wait until i can process everything

 

this seriously blows

[Darthe]

We are gonna need that Cory.  

[Nynaeve]

TURDS! Go town!

 

 

*goes out for a drink with tommy* <3

 

 

 

Nyn

[Cory Caboose]

We are gonna need that Cory.  

 

I would love to see you start working too

 

Some things in my head: A lot of people tripped over themselves to clear Tommy yesterday with flimsy reasoning. We all know exactly how good of a wolf Tommy is, and he basically never howls and forces things in to my narrative as wolf while I'm still alive, so I'm very interested in people who said "Tommy is town lol" with no real significant reasoning - I would hope this forum had healthier paranoia than that

 

Specifically Tom, btw. Nyn was very villagery and that makes sense in my head, and my reasons for thinking Tom was town were more emotional than logical and Nyn's presence helped that read for me a lot

 

But I specifically remember people clearing TOM, ignoring Nyn for the most part, for reasons that you should never clear him

 

My only hesitancy to lynch Basel at this point is that the kill almost looks TOO bad for him at this point, but from the hip he's my no. 1 scumread going into this phase

 

Still think Pral/Hallia/Tsuki are firmly within POE and I can't say I'm super thrilled with the "One of Cory/Tom is scum" movement last night with the Mafia already knowing Tommy would die

 

But I generally don't take it too well when people kill Tommy

[Darthe]

If you make it through tomorrow I am going to be concerned.  Your scumread on Basel is wrong, I soul read him.  

 

Tommy was an easy D1 psuedo-clear.  

 

IMO this kill paints you in a worse light due to that conversation and I think I'm going to ignore the night talk completely in this case.  It could affect my read on you in either way and neither of them merit true consideration.

 

Laya looks good to me.  Hally is prob, town as is Tsuki though the latter two look derp.  We can get there but I want to explore real leans first.  

 

I'ma be ticked if Zanube is mafia.

[Cory Caboose]

Do whatever you want, I just want to see a real narrative from you

 

I am going to try to win this game today.

 

How Basel/Laya/Hallia/Tsuki is currently your townlist is beyond me but I will reread and see if that makes sense as you, if that makes sense to you

I would be pretty against a Zanube lynch today

[Darthe]

Yeah I don't want a zanube lynch.  Tsuki I went back and forth on but tom townspewed her and the arguments he made were right.  She is bad, not scum (probably).  I think that's low hanging fruit from you but then your whole list is.  

 

Basel is clear and I've said it from the start of D1.

 

Laya is pretty easy to clear and I am confused as to why you've flipped on him.  

 

Hally is just?

[Cory Caboose]

Can you give me a better argument on Pral than Tommy saying "tone"?

I specifically remember him playing a great wolf game in Twilight where he seemed super reasonable and villagery after me and BFG died. I don't see anything that screams town from him this game. If you have a better meta hold on him than I do, please fill me in

[Darthe]

Tbh, I haven't seen him reasonable as scum in living memory.  I quite liked his posts.

[Cory Caboose]

I had Tsuki as a villager early but some of the later posts made me ?

 

And I'm not sure what you mean by Tom "townspewing" people - that's not really how spew works

 

So, who isn't "low hanging fruit" this game?

[Cory Caboose]

Lenlo is on my null-to-town list because he was willing to stare down Tom early, but let's not pretend lynching him would be anything but a shot in the dark, the dude's meta is that he doesn't GAF

 

What do you think of Mish?

 

I would be against an Amega lynch as well, I legitimately think his early behavior was him being mad @ me for "being too full of myself", which I have gotten from people in Mafia games before and generally people don't needlessly antagonize mas Mafia because it usually doesn't end pretty

[Darthe]

I am willing to lynch mish this game but if I am honest it is mostly for one post where the way she stated her points was really unfitting imo.

[Cory Caboose]

Pral's entrance into Day 2 of Twilight in a Tommy/Pral/Clov scumteam (that would sweep after me and BFG died Day 1)

 

 

I didnt disappear no one was saying anything!

 

Lenlo move your vote NOW if you ever want to be cleared off my potential suspects list. Failure to comply will result in you being LOCK SCUM for the rest of the game.

Give me a good reason to. I think whats shes done has been scummy. Nothing anyone has said has proven otherwise.

 

What's the case on her again? Just that she voted jack and did not respond and let Des argue for her? What else was there.

 

Don't think it is that strong an argument, frankly. 

 

 

 

Regarding Darthe, if he is scum, I am not able to understand why he would FoS both BFG (in one post) and Cory (in a lot of posts) and then kill one of them? Doesn't seem logical. 

 

 

 

 

Well I mean, again, I highly doubt scum thought Cory would die in the night. Even a Role Cop wouldn't have worked till after night, unless it was a day role cop which I HIGHLY doubt.

 

So I think he softly fos'd BFG and avoided answering her questions or interacting with her much because he knew she wasn't long for this world. And then planned on setting up Cory and I (and likely Tina as well) for a bunch of mislynches.

 

 

Yeah, obviously the scum did not expect Cory to be linked. But, my point was that why would he FoS if he was planning to kill her? 

 

Looking back at BFG's posts, there were a lot of interaction between Darthe and BFG and BFG was going hard at Darthe because he thought Csarmi was town. Around the time, Darthe's responses were satisfactory too, so most of those conversations were somewhat harmless. 

 

The only reason I can think of, assuming he is scum, is that when it started backfiring on him during the night, he wanted to take out someone who he knew would go hard at him again. 

 

 

super reasonable, super +EV villagery, he basically soft-defends two townies that look bad, so I don't get your "Pral isn't reasonable as scum" observation

[Darthe]

I had Tsuki as a villager early but some of the later posts made me ?

 

And I'm not sure what you mean by Tom "townspewing" people - that's not really how spew works

 

So, who isn't "low hanging fruit" this game?

Didn't have a word for it.  Yeah, I agree with you on Tsuki.  Any reason in particular that she warrants a lynch?

 

You/me/mish/len/amega aren't low hanging fruit

[Darthe]

I didn't say he wasn't reasonable I said I'm not used to seeing him as such.

[Cory Caboose]

The only people I really want to lynch ATM are Basel and Pral and you're giving me the

 

 

So now I'm trying to sort out of you are #FullDarthe and a distraction or if you are seeing the game better than I am

 

So I am going to get intimate with this thread and get back to you

[Cory Caboose]

 

I had Tsuki as a villager early but some of the later posts made me ?

 

And I'm not sure what you mean by Tom "townspewing" people - that's not really how spew works

 

So, who isn't "low hanging fruit" this game?

Didn't have a word for it.  Yeah, I agree with you on Tsuki.  Any reason in particular that she warrants a lynch?

 

You/me/mish/len/amega aren't low hanging fruit

 

 

So the people I think are > rand to be town aren't low hanging fruit

 

And all the people I think are scum/POE scum = low hanging fruit

This is going to be an awesome day phase         

[Cory Caboose]

Tbh, I haven't seen him reasonable as scum in living memory.  I quite liked his posts.

 

That was like two games ago

 

How long is your "living memory"?

 

I'm not saying I'm RIGHT

 

I'm saying I don't understand why you have him LAWK CLAIRE

[Darthe]

Odds are low that I see the game better than you.  I've been freaking AWFUL lately though I do feel better the past game or two.

[Darthe]

 

Tbh, I haven't seen him reasonable as scum in living memory.  I quite liked his posts.

 

That was like two games ago

 

How long is your "living memory"?

 

I'm not saying I'm RIGHT

 

I'm saying I don't understand why you have him LAWK CLAIRE

 

He isn't lock, just not my preference. We are going to have to consolidate i think.

[Songstress]

So I am going to get intimate with this thread and get back to you

 

Well that's an interesting mental image.

 

Somehow I feel the need to protect the thread.

[Tommyrod]

*** DEAD ***

 

GL Town

*** DEAD ***

[Pralaya]

I would love to see you start working too

 

Some things in my head: A lot of people tripped over themselves to clear Tommy yesterday with flimsy reasoning. We all know exactly how good of a wolf Tommy is, and he basically never howls and forces things in to my narrative as wolf while I'm still alive, so I'm very interested in people who said "Tommy is town lol" with no real significant reasoning - I would hope this forum had healthier paranoia than that

 

Specifically Tom, btw. Nyn was very villagery and that makes sense in my head, and my reasons for thinking Tom was town were more emotional than logical and Nyn's presence helped that read for me a lot

 

But I specifically remember people clearing TOM, ignoring Nyn for the most part, for reasons that you should never clear him

 

My only hesitancy to lynch Basel at this point is that the kill almost looks TOO bad for him at this point, but from the hip he's my no. 1 scumread going into this phase

 

Still think Pral/Hallia/Tsuki are firmly within POE and I can't say I'm super thrilled with the "One of Cory/Tom is scum" movement last night with the Mafia already knowing Tommy would die

 

But I generally don't take it too well when people kill Tommy

That is a very weak way of looking at things. There was clearly a difference in the way Tommy played in the House/Twilight games and here and I have reasoned it out in my posts earlier. It may be hard for you to believe that there is actually a difference in his play or maybe Tommy plays very consciously in other sites. But, I have only the DM experience of Tommy and I could see that.

 

What do you think of the people jumping on the clov train? Do you think all those were townies? Is Tsuki your only scum read off that?

[Cory Caboose]

Tsuki isn't even really a scum read, I just have a lot of villagers and he's in the POE

 

Maybe I am misclearing someone, I will need to reread. I'm honestly not SUPER confident in any villager ATM besides maybe Darthe and even then that's an emotional read because a lot of his content doesn't make a great deal of sense to me

The major issue is I have very little to work off of - most people have been hard-defending other players and not really explaining it.

I'l re-look at EOD and the Clov train.

 

Pral, some of this might be because you missed The Red Wedding, the last game that was run, which had a lot of feels and involved Tommy playing a really Town!Tom game for two phases (until I got NKed) and then basically fooling town into lynch obvitown every phase after despite me and AJ (we were a hydra) having the game just about solved as cop with two red checks. Big dramatic game that was an extreme amount of frustration for a lot of players due to the last handful of townies being most inactives/people unable to keep up the game thread and just listening to Tommy.

 

I also think it's why Amega was mad at me when this game began, as I didn't talk too favorably about the scum group

Think I've started my feather-ruffling phase here 

[Pralaya]

Tsuki isn't even really a scum read, I just have a lot of villagers and he's in the POE

 

Maybe I am misclearing someone, I will need to reread. I'm honestly not SUPER confident in any villager ATM besides maybe Darthe and even then that's an emotional read because a lot of his content doesn't make a great deal of sense to me

 

The major issue is I have very little to work off of - most people have been hard-defending other players and not really explaining it.

I'l re-look at EOD and the Clov train.

 

Pral, some of this might be because you missed The Red Wedding, the last game that was run, which had a lot of feels and involved Tommy playing a really Town!Tom game for two phases (until I got NKed) and then basically fooling town into lynch obvitown every phase after despite me and AJ (we were a hydra) having the game just about solved as cop with two red checks. Big dramatic game that was an extreme amount of frustration for a lot of players due to the last handful of townies being most inactives/people unable to keep up the game thread and just listening to Tommy.

 

I also think it's why Amega was mad at me when this game began, as I didn't talk too favorably about the scum group

Think I've started my feather-ruffling phase here 

 

See, that is exactly why I don't have good vibes on you. I somewhat agree with your point about looking at people who cleared Tommy easily. But, Tommy wasn't the only town flip yesterday. Clov was too.

 

I don't think a town Cory would ignore such an important detail when he is analyzing the day's play. You have been focusing too much on the former and  too less on the latter. Which I don't think is accidental. 

 

Regarding Red Wedding, yes, I followed that game in the end stage and I felt what was happening. Do you think that is what happened in this game too on Day 1 - people just listening to Tommy?