[Advanced] Once Upon a Time Mafia- Game Over, Town Wins!!!

[Thane Vakarian]

1. dawnflower8 Town
2. Nikon SCUM
3. dicetosser1 Grumpy, town vanilla killed Night 1
4. Chae Prince Charming, town vanilla killed Night 1
5. Tina Ithillian Thane 2 Blue Fairy, town roleblocker killed Night 2
6. Thane Granny, town vanilla lynched Day 2
7. RTE- Claimed Henry and town cop
8. TGlems SCUM
9. IceTurin Town
10. AJ Town
11. Basel Cinderella, town vanilla lynched Day 1
12. edThane3.0 Town
13. Hallia- Claimed Snow White no role???- claimed viewed by RTE N2 (result Town)
14. Talmanes SCUM
15. BFG SCUM
16. Tsukibana TOWN

 

This is how i see the current lineup. I've been giving it lots of thoughts, and i'm certainly convinced that there's 4 scum in here. There are 2 scum hiding, being TG and BFG (ok, TG was busy, but still was not that active before) and Talmanes and Nikon come in occasionally to post and distract town.

[Andrej]

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure about Ithi being town. The question dodging seemed pretty scummy to me.

 

Remains consistent with her read on Ithi. I agree on the question dodging as well.

 

So you are "interested" in me? Why? And does this mean you think I'm scum, or mean that you're just getting mixed reads from me, or what? 

 

Questions RTE's commentary about her for for clarification. It isn't just the fact that she questions this reads, but in the way she goes about it. It's not like she's necessarily trying to disprove it off the back (which typically I might find a little suspicious) but instead she is asking for clarification so she can perhaps understand where they are coming from. This is a pretty good sign imo.

 

So you think Hallia is the vig?

 

This one bugged me a bit when I saw it in real time - I didn't like how she popped in to reaffirm his conclusion, kind of gave me the vibe that if she were scum she had just found her potential NK target.

 

So, if you are wondering why I voted Basel for defending me but later defended AJ:

 

Basel defended me because I was new and thought I was incapable of making a vote that made sense, or something like that (even though it was a jokevote) 

"Being new" is a bad reason to clear someone, especially at such an early point in the game. I had done nothing at that point that seemed town, so him defending me that early in the game was really unusual. 

 

I defended AJ because it was later on in the game, he had made a lot more posts, and all of his posts seemed very town to me. 

 

I like this response a lot - this was in regards to people (including myself) pointing out that it was weird of Dawn to defend me while she was voting Basel for defending her.

 

Definite townie feeling post here.

 

Ok. 

 

This may sound like a bandwagon, but Thane seems scummiest to me. During the first day, he seemed probably the next scummiest after Basel - especially with his weird reaction to my joke vote and then him jokevoting after I did. It just seems weird. Vote Thane. 

 

This is kinda meh. She's consistent at least in that her scum read of Thane1 didn't change and backs it up with a vote. She was 2nd on his wagon I think?

 

So you talk about how Hallia is so obviously mafia, but you'd rather get Thane lynched? Why?

 

I'm really having second thoughts about being so convinced AJ was town right now...

 

These are pretty valid observations/questions on Dawn's part. A lot of other players were concerned about this as well as it seemed to be the main issue revolving around AJ/Thane1 on D2. I still don't really like the comment from Tsuki in the nested quotes here, objective or not.

 

I'm not trying to lynch you right now. My read on you has just changed from town to mixed, not town to scum, because you played very town on the first day. 

 

Level-headed and good tone in this post. I responded a little brashly to her question and she comes back pretty calmly to explain that she no longer thinks I am so firmly town, just more null but not yet scum. This is good - it shows she is continuing to evaluate and allowing her reads to adjust organically as the game progresses.

 

How about Ithi? I'm pretty sure she's scum. 

 

This was after Hallia and I character claimed and Thane1 was continuing to protest his towniness. Normally I might see this as a bit nudgy since it wasn't backed with a vote, but her stepping out to suggest Ithi takes some serious cajones imo. I don't see a scum-Dawn doing such a thing.

 

I know that he was hammered. It was just more evidence toward him most likely being scum. (Even though he is dead, anyway)

 

TG's vote on Thane was kind of pointless. It was just a random bandwagon vote with no backup after the hammer vote. I'm going to assume that TG didn't even read the last page. 

 

Comments on the TG post-hammer hammer vote. I agree that it seems he didn't read the last page either, my guess is that he checked the QT and saw them deliberating about whether Thane1's self vote was going to count. He was either hammered or at L-1 at the point, which then TG could've just came onto thread and cast the final vote just in case. Definitely sketchy behavior.

 

...except I DO have a reason.

 

I noticed nothing about Tina. 

 

Ithi is scummy because of her trying to avoid me answering a question I asked her (about a random vote, I think) by just asking me more questions. 

 

 

Also, AJ, how come you've changed your read on me from scum to town?

 

This was in response to Turin when he presses her about her Ithi read. She's consistent with her reasoning which I agree with. She also questions me again when my read changes (again lol).

 

Ithi randomly comes in after not posting for a long time and votes AJ. That's all she does. She gives no backup for it. I ask her why. She responds by asking why I think AJ is town, and doesn't answer, and we have a long conversation involving me trying to get her to tell me why she thinks a player I, at the time, was certain was town, and she just responded with more questions - never answering my original one. 

 

More commentary on Ithi's game entrance. I can see from her POV how Dawn genuinely found this odd, which explains her answers. The way she was able to answer Ithi's questions plainly and in a straightforward fashion is also a good sign. I too was bothered with how Ithi was deflecting Dawn's questions and instead continue to barage her with her own.

 

No. If I was the vig, I would've shot Ithi.

 

And I'm not the vig. 

 

Damnit - I thought I was beginning to figure it out. I kind of wish I was right in this case, then I would have more reason to stick my neck out than I already am - but meh.

 

 

 

 

I'm just about ready to lock Dawn in on my town list after reading her over again. If you ACTUALLY READ her posts and think about where her line of questioning comes from I think you will find rather easily that she is town this game. Her push today feels very scum motivated (*cough cough* Tsuki) looking for the easy lynch bait to push through.

 

Not gonna happen my friend.

 

 

Every single post of yours is making you look scummier and scummier. 

 

Why would you take so much time to go through ALL MY POSTS to defend specifically me? If you are town, I'm not sure why you are focusing so much on proving me town. If you are scum, however, I know what you are doing. You are trying to make us look like an obvious scum-team, and based on which of us gets lynched first, it would either make me look like scum or you look like town. I think you thought this would be incredibly easy to do because of my defense of you in the earlier game. You being scum seems like the more likely option. 

 

I really don't like your gameplay here. Not at all. 

 

Vote AJ

 

I really don't even know where to begin with you. What I am trying to do is show others that I DON'T THINK YOU ARE SCUM SO THAT WE CAN LYNCH MAFIA TODAY. You aren't the only person whose posts I have gone through and commented on. I have also tabled Tal and BFG as lynch candidates today because looking through their ISOs I do not believe they are mafia. This is the same case for you. I am not trying to reinforce the connect that Tsuki is pushing, I actually think he is very scummy for basically listing you as mafia through his read on me. It doesn't make sense. Your paranoia is at ridiculous levels right now, but it's directly in line with the points I made inside the ISO. Did you actually read it? lol

 

I'm not trying to lynch you. I'm actually trying to show others why I think you are town so that we can lynch some actual scum today. I'm literally going to total this up to you being new and not understanding the importance of late game process-of-elimination. We haven't lynched any mafia yet. This phase is pivotal so I am attempting to reconcile my reads so that I can make the most informed decision I can about who to vote for.

 

 

 

 

I still have some doubts about RTE and his claim. I don't think that we can lynch him today. I would consider lynching Hallia today to test his claim. I would also consider lynching Tsuki today. The way he claimed to be voting RTE due to him pushing at the deaded Ithi and then refused to vote AJ who was the one doing the action he assigned to RTE doesn't make sense. Added to the entire list kerfluffle and the large number of snipe type posts early and his pile of banter with Hallia that basically just boosted both their post counts. 

 

 

I REFUSE TO VOTE AJ BECAUSE I THINK DAWN IS THE PR, AND WANT TO NUKE THE PR TODAY. People seriously can't be this dense without trying. I explained all of this earlier. Jeesh.

 

Again - I'm calling BS on this. You came to the realization that you had mixed me up with RTE prior to you voting for Dawn. You should've backed this original theory that those pushing Ithi were likely mafia by swapping your vote to me instead of attacking Dawn when she posted today - the attack looks easy to me, as I've already stated. Now that you've basically locked yourself into that vote, you went and retroactively tried to link me to her and are now justifying this connect to prove that I'm scum via Dawn.

 

Not good.

 

If anyone is being set up as the deep wolf it is AJ. 

 

I'm always the deep wolf.

 

<.<

 

Unless I'm on VS. Then I get outed D2 because the Watcher saw me NK.

 

Let me clarify - those percentages assume 3 scum, and include the calculation of that third person.

 

This is starting to bug me. You continue saying 3 mafia when typically in a game this size there would be 4.

[Andrej]

At this point I would not lynch any of these players today:

 

Turin

BFG

Dawn

Tal

RTE

 

Hallia - this is more so due to RTE's view of her. My gut can't be THAT off, and I've gone soft on Hallia before and it's bitten me in the past. Her vote on Turin doesn't give me good vibes.

 

So that leaves:

 

Tsuki

Thane3

Nikon

TG

 

I don't think I've forgotten anyone.

[BFG]

Apologies fir absence.

 

I'm at work all day today, and have a tonne of baking to do tonight for my sisters birthday tomorrow, I'll try to get through a reread, but it may be disjointed depending on what's in the oven.

 

That said,

 

I didn't kill Chae.

 

I need to reread, my top 3 prior to the claim were RTE, Hallia and Nikon and of the 3 I was happiest with RTE as Hallia was also quiet in AJ's Mistborn game as Town. Most of the stuff that pinged with Nikon could have been just noobiness.

[BFG]

Thane, is there a case to go with any of those reads?

[BFG]

Dawn if you weren't aware that Turin had replaced Ice why didn't you question why he was posting in thread?

[BFG]

I know there's other stiff that's been asked me, but I have to get to work now. I'll hopefully get to it tonight.

[BFG]

*stuff

[Thane Vakarian]

ED/Thane3: i will go ahead and claim Little Red Riding Hood, town We have to get going to lynch scum people. If we mislynch again, scum will be happy.

 

 

RTE- Claimed Henry and town cop,  AJ Claimed Jiminy Cricket, Town ,  Hallia- Claimed Snow White no role???- claimed viewed by RTE N2 (result Town)

at this point, i will go with the claims.  

 

dawnflower8 Town: the feeling i get from her posts are sometimes mixed, but more leaning town than scum. I am not convinced she should be lynched.
AJ Town + Tsukibana TOWN: they both give me the impression that they are fighting hard for town, even when they go after eachother. Most contructive players in the field.

IceTurin Leaning Town: Hesitating a bit due to his 'care to give me a list'. It could be town trying to see who we should go after, or scum seeing who should get nk'ed. Leaning more towards the first option due to his general posting.

 

Nikon SCUM Hammered Thane. Posts every now and then, not really constructive. Hides most of the time. I doubt it has to do with the fact that this is his third game.

TGlems SCUM 'hammered' after Nikons vote to make sure Thane was no more, in case selfvote didn't count. General absense not in his favor

Talmanes SCUM Occasional posting makes a lurker and by D3, lurkers will probably be scum.
BFG SCUM shows up a bit after she notices that she's firmly on my scumlist, while being absent most of the time. This alone is suspicious enough for a scumread.

 

I hope that this is enough explanation of my reads, and if it's not, then read the game.. it's out there

[Tsukibana]

Turin, AJ seems to think that because Town had an RB, that the Scum team would be unlikely to have one, do to possible double RB SNAFUs.

How likely do you feel this is? Anyone else with an opinion on the set-up, let me know.

[Tsukibana]

 

 

Let me clarify - those percentages assume 3 scum, and include the calculation of that third person.

 

This is starting to bug me. You continue saying 3 mafia when typically in a game this size there would be 4.

 

 

I have continually stated this game that I believe there are 4 mafia. Your continuous ou-of-context spinning is starting to get weary.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Do not think that there would be a RB on each side. Very unlikely.

 

Only a couple of reasons the vig hasn't come forward:

 

-Is actually an SK

-Is actually a JoaT

-Had one shot only and doesn't want to be an easy NK target as un-cced shot claim is close to confirmed townie

-Is one of our inactive players

[wheeloftime13]

Official Vote Count

 

RTE (1/6): Turin

Dawn (2/6): RTE, Tsuki

TG (2/6): AJ, Thane

AJ (1/6): Dawn

 

Deadline: Saturday May 10, 20:00 EST 1 day 11 hours 15 minutes

[Thane Vakarian]

if the vig was one shot only, then it wouldn't have made a lot of sense shooting that early in the game. With 16 players, it would be too risky to hit town...

[dawnflower8]

Dawn if you weren't aware that Turin had replaced Ice why didn't you question why he was posting in thread?

I thought he replaced someone else? I don't really know. 

[Thane Vakarian]

Ithi replaced Tina (then i replaced Ithi after i got lynched)

Turin replaced Ice a bit later

Ithi/me died.

Ed needed replacement, got replaced by me.

 

Lucky for me, it's all town, so i can continue playing (untill i die a third time)

[dawnflower8]

....and if you die a 3rd time, you can replace someone else. 

[Thane Vakarian]

nope, i highly doubt that there's anybody else needing replacement. 3rd times is a charm, they say, but coming in the game 4 times would be ridiculous

[Andrej]

 

 

Let me clarify - those percentages assume 3 scum, and include the calculation of that third person.

 

This is starting to bug me. You continue saying 3 mafia when typically in a game this size there would be 4.

 

I have continually stated this game that I believe there are 4 mafia. Your continuous ou-of-context spinning is starting to get weary.

 

I could quote you several times speaking of a 3-man scum team. If you think there are 4 then why run your stats with 3? lol

 

Subconscious slips like this aren't good. No no no.

[Andrej]

Do not think that there would be a RB on each side. Very unlikely.

 

Only a couple of reasons the vig hasn't come forward:

 

-Is actually an SK

-Is actually a JoaT

-Had one shot only and doesn't want to be an easy NK target as un-cced shot claim is close to confirmed townie

-Is one of our inactive players

 

I agree here. I'm thinking it might actually be the 2nd option, but idk. The lack of someone coming forward really bugs me, at this point it is best for them to claim just so we can make sure they aren't in the lynch pool.

 

I think the only person to not yet claim one way or the other is TG - we have DL tomorrow night so I'm not sure if I want to wait to see if he actually comes around in the event he's on the mafia team. If someone is just lying about taking the shot then that isn't very helpful and probably lends more to the idea that it was a SK - or just someone who doesn't understand the importance of reconciling town reads near end game to higher the chances of lynching scum.

[Andrej]

if the vig was one shot only, then it wouldn't have made a lot of sense shooting that early in the game. With 16 players, it would be too risky to hit town...

 

Maybe not the best option, but it's not the worst thing to happen either. At least Chae was a VT. Vigs can function as several things, one of them being to pick off potential mislynches at Night by shooting scummy-looking townies (which sometimes will actually yield mafia). I don't think Chae was coming across in a bad way, so her death doesn't make a ton of sense to me - I'm thinking it was either random or an OMGUS type kill.

[dawnflower8]

I agree. Chae's death was really weird. 

[Thane Vakarian]

or, maybe she was on to something early in the game, need to doublecheck that.

[Thane Vakarian]

Archers vs. Everyone FTW.

 

Except Nikon, apparently.

 

Again, why didn't you bring this up earlier?

remember this post AJ? i get the feeling you were right back then

[Thane Vakarian]

been reading up on Chae, not much to go after. Some of her suspects flipped town, well... all of them, except Nikon, who is a scumread for most at the moment.