[Advanced] Dragonmount Witchhunt Mafia!!! Game over, Witches win!!!

[WWWwombat]

I don't think a mod should keep themselves from being able to change things on the fly if needed, especially if using a new mechanic which might present circumstances that were not thought of before the game started.

 

It's not really that major of a change anyways. This way the game can't be stalled because the person getting lynched doesn't want to go yet, or because of an inactive or something.

 

Yep.  I always include a rule in my games that says I will change the rules whenever I feel like it.  I usually don't have to use it, but I'm not going to let unforeseen consequences ruin a game when I can fix them without affecting the balance.

[csarmi]

 

Wasn't joking.

 

Not gonna disrupt a game or let it get stale because of an experimental voting system.

 

I kinda think DM'ers are a bit spoiled when it comes to getting hammer games, but meh /shrug

 

 

Maybe because deadline games are legit terrible to play in.

 

 

Deadline games are close to unplayable with a player base ranging several continents anyway. Unfair, at a minimum.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Wasn't joking.

 

Not gonna disrupt a game or let it get stale because of an experimental voting system.

 

I kinda think DM'ers are a bit spoiled when it comes to getting hammer games, but meh /shrug

 

 

Maybe because deadline games are legit terrible to play in.

 

 

 

This isn't a deadline game per se but anyways

 

VC and scene coming in a bit

[dicetosser1]

alanna that made me smile for some reason lol

[WWWwombat]

 

 

Wasn't joking.

 

Not gonna disrupt a game or let it get stale because of an experimental voting system.

 

I kinda think DM'ers are a bit spoiled when it comes to getting hammer games, but meh /shrug

 

 

Maybe because deadline games are legit terrible to play in.

 

 

Deadline games are close to unplayable with a player base ranging several continents anyway. Unfair, at a minimum.

 

 

And then there's the fact that Despo is an East Coast American who works night shifts to further complicate the matter, which basically puts him on a similar schedule to East Asia lol.

[Sedai]

Mish you talked about knowing Lenlo's alignment and you seem certain of his towniness. However we have no proof that Lenlo wasn't a witch. Reads like a scum slip.

[Sedai]

I'm on mobile so can't chop through the wall of text while driving.

[hazelkrs1]

Final Vote Count

 

 

 
Dawn (11): Pray, Leelou, Verbal, Jack, Vos, Hally, Alanna, Wombat, Dice, Mish
 
Not voting (1): Dawn
 
(the "not voting" group is the same as those who have not voted yet today)
 
With 11 alive it takes 6 to hammer, if all votes have been cast
 
Day 2 deadline
 
Votes since last VC:
 

 

 

ninjad

 

vote dawn

 

 

@Leelou;

 

Yep. Got distracted by dinner.

 

See Dice has voted, but

 

vote dawn

 

 

 

 

---

 

It wasn't a debate so much as it was a condemnation. The day had gone by quickly and without much event, which was somewhat jarring after the unusual events in the night. A strange sort of mist had filled the air, and when it cleared one dead body was found, and another had been attacked. Everyone knew that the attack had been carried out by the spies sent to infiltrate them, and it hadn't been too hard to figure out who soon enough.

 

Once everyone gathered together, there was one who was weaker than everyone else, and tho the illusion kept her features from reverting back to their original form, her form betrayed her, pulsing faintly and displaying an ominous mark in the air above her. Whatever powers this witch had consorted with to do her task had shown her for the villain she was, and the only thing which delayed her imminent demise was waiting for everyone to add their thoughts. With that, the last individuals said their peace, and everyone gathered around.

 

Their was not much actual struggle, which in a way disappointed some of those there. They had imagined themselves using all the skill and cunning they had developed over the years to find subtle clues to lead them to rooting out the spies, having their victim gift wrapped for them sort of took some of the fun out of it. Their was still plenty of fun to be had however in disposing of the enemy for their host, so with that they bound their victim's hands and feet together and tied her to a makeshift stake.

 

The blaze was small and controlled, but this did not mute or soften the screams of the person being immolated. The reflection of the fire was caught in the eyes of all present, even the host Despothera, who stood off from the proceedings, nodding quietly to himself.

 

Dawn has been lynched.

 

---

 

It is now Night 2. Get your Night Actions in if you have any.

 

Night 2 deadline

[WWWwombat]

Scumminess Scale (0-10):

 

1. Pralaya - 1
2. Wombat - 0
3. Verbal - 8
4. Mish - 4
5. Jack - 5
6. Leelou - 5
8. Hallia - 4
10. Dice - 3
11. Alanna - 2
12. Vos - 2

[Sedai]

I think that's the lowest I've been on a scum scale. I should worry I think

[WWWwombat]

But it really isn't.

[WWWwombat]

Normalized scum scores:

 

Pralaya: -1.03

Wombat: -1.47

Verbal: 1.98

Mish: 0.26

Jack: 0.69

Leelou: 0.69

Hallia: 0.26

Dice: -0.17

Alanna: -0.60

Vos: -0.60

[WWWwombat]

You are hovering just at the 75th scum percentile, Jack.

[michellem]

Mish you talked about knowing Lenlo's alignment and you seem certain of his towniness. However we have no proof that Lenlo wasn't a witch. Reads like a scum slip.

 

I said it before. I see it as extremely unlikely that if Lenlo was a witch, that they'd risk outting another of them with the soup kills this night. It's quite simply logic.

[Sedai]

I don't know what any of that means. But if I was 5 on a scale of 0-10 id if assumed that meant their was a 50% chance of me being scum.

 

25% higher then the average player.

 

And assuming that Lenlo wasn't scum and knowing lily wasn't and that dawn is. That leaves 2 out of 11 players left. So just based on numbers the average person at random has an 18.2% chance of being scum. So There is a greater chance of me being scum by 31.8%

 

That's at least how I read it. But I could be wrong. I'm slow.

[Alanna]

Mmmmkay. I haven't technically finished my reread yet, but I got to Day 2, so here are my thoughtts so far.

 

I have to say, I found all the cosvotes for Leelou interesting, because all her posts were pretty jokey neutral on Day 1, for the most part. Vos started the cosvotes for her because she came off as "relaxed town." Not sure where he got the town part from, unless it was just gut instinct. I believe Hallia voted second for Leelou, with only a jokey reason ("Leelou is adorable.") I just thought it all interesting because I felt there wasn't much at all to go on with Leelou to warrant so many cosvotes.

 

Just FYI, I will acknowledge that I didn't cosvote at all, mostly because of the being sick and not feeling that I thinking very clearly. I wasn't outright against giving Leelou the cosvote; she seemed as good as any at the time. But looking back, it just kind of seems to come out of nowhere.

 

Moving on, I found this post from Hallia a little scummy.

 

 

 

If he is town, Verb is the one I would trust most with the Panda. But that's a big if.

Not sure how I feel about the buddying towards Verb here.  Do you have any way of knowing? It seems unnecessary.  There's no way to tell at the moment one way or the other.

 

I already felt that Jack was making too much out of nothing when he made the same argument earlier, and Hallia's expressing the same here just seems even more so. Does Lily have any way of knowing what? What seems unnecessary? A decision had to be made about the Panda at some point, and Lily just said that Verb is the player she trusts most, if he's town. Lily was basically getting jumped on for starting the conversation about the Panda, and I find it weird.

 

I didn't like dice's attitude towards the cosvote, or his attitude towards voting Lenlo. Not sure if it makes him scummy, but his reiteration about not wanting anyone to have the Panda was silly - someone had to have it. As for voting Lenlo for consolidation, even though he didn't like the vote on Lenlo, I agree with Pral that voting him is weird, then, considering the Verbal role. A townie might have abstained and hoped that the Verb role would choose someone else; scum would have wanted to be sure to lynch a townie and not chance Verb killing a witch. That's assuming Lenlo was town, of course, which I feel is a pretty safe bet for the same reasons Mish stated.

 

Top reads for scum right now are Jack, dice, and Hally.

 

I'm leaning most town on Wombat and Mish. Mixed on Vos and Pral. Null on Leelou and Verb.

[Sedai]

@Alanna it was early day one and lily was saying verb was town without actually saying it. It looked bad as did the bs reasons for giving Leelou the CosVote.

 

At the time I made that distinction it was not mod confirmed the CosVote had to be given out. So it felt like she was rushing to pass on the vote to possibly a witch mate. I brought up the CosVote as a way to feel out for scum pushing at the role and I thought I caught lily. Which I was obviously wrong about. But you using the logic that the vote had to be given out is sketchy because that knowledge wasn't present at the time of the action in question. Ergo, your reaching to spread suspicions. A thing I find very interesting.

[Alanna]

I didn't find your linking Verb/Lily weird because the vote had to be given out - I didn't know that then either. It just seemed like you were making too much out of her statement. I never felt like she was saying she thought Verb was town. I took what she said as that, looking at all players, Verb was the one she would trust most with a double-vote role if he was town. I don't think she felt one way or another at that point if he was town or not.

 

If you were indeed doing what you said, then making more of her statement than was actually there makes sense, I suppose. I just felt you were overly emphasizing their 'interplay' when there wasn't much there.

[Alanna]

I'm curious:

 

Nice! I buddied Lily just for this. Because this role is the first one that the witches can deduce easily. Or attempt to :)

How would I know Lily would actually be Ithillan :facepalm

 

vote dawn

 

Why did you choose to buddy Lily?

[Sedai]

I'm curious:

 

 

Nice! I buddied Lily just for this. Because this role is the first one that the witches can deduce easily. Or attempt to :)

How would I know Lily would actually be Ithillan :facepalm

 

vote dawn

 

 

Why did you choose to buddy Lily?

I'm curious:

 

 

Nice! I buddied Lily just for this. Because this role is the first one that the witches can deduce easily. Or attempt to :)

How would I know Lily would actually be Ithillan :facepalm

 

vote dawn

 

 

Why did you choose to buddy Lily?

More importantly. Where did it say Lily was Ithi? Don't get me wrong it's not far of a reach since Turin was the failed soup. But you seem certain she was. Interesting.

[WWWwombat]

 

Mish you talked about knowing Lenlo's alignment and you seem certain of his towniness. However we have no proof that Lenlo wasn't a witch. Reads like a scum slip.

 

I said it before. I see it as extremely unlikely that if Lenlo was a witch, that they'd risk outting another of them with the soup kills this night. It's quite simply logic.

 

 

That's a bad argument imo.  Soupkill only outs a witch if they've already successfully soupkilled.  So soupkilling Lily was low risk.  At worst it would have made Lily look town and lost them a kill opportunity, but that's not that bad in an essentially no coroner game where they can possibly get multiple kills in a night.  And once Lily died, they probably thought Pralaya was Turin, so saw that as low risk.

 

 

I don't know what any of that means. But if I was 5 on a scale of 0-10 id if assumed that meant their was a 50% chance of me being scum.

 

25% higher then the average player.

 

And assuming that Lenlo wasn't scum and knowing lily wasn't and that dawn is. That leaves 2 out of 11 players left. So just based on numbers the average person at random has an 18.2% chance of being scum. So There is a greater chance of me being scum by 31.8%

 

That's at least how I read it. But I could be wrong. I'm slow.

 

It means I think you're scummier than 3/4 of the game :P

[Verbal32]

 

 

You say that like it's a bad thing lolz

Maybe she thinks it is because maybe she's scum again XD

 

 

 

If anyone would know it would be you

 

Got serious heebie jeebies from this exchange. This did not read like townie and mafia to me, this read staged.

 

However. The lily/verb thing did feel a little forced

 

This post stuck out to me know that we know Lily is town... Feels like trying to link to players. It doesn't tell me much about Verb's alignement by itself, but it does give me the vibe Jack knows both players alignements.

 

Why don't we just wait until we have some actual town reads?

 

 

Has to be voted day 1

 

 

 

 

Like giving you a gun? Lol

 

Think we need to talk this out before we give out a double vote.

 

That's cool.  Btw, I'd take the gun over the extra vote, hehe.  Oh wait, this isn't JN....no 80 to shoot.

 

 

 

 

Why don't we just wait until we have some actual town reads?

 

Why don't you read the rules?  ;-)

 

 

Also, this felt weird. Jack and Verb was very in lockstep the first pages of the game. Both came out early saying they wanted the panda, and then these quotes. Their whole exchanges on this is worth going back and looking at for everyone.

 

Hold on. So you're linking Jack and Dawn, and then furthering that by linking Jack and I? Am I following that properly? You realize you're using these obvious joke posts (me joking about my rivalry with a JN member and then taking a potshot at Wombat) as part of your suspicion on me, right?

 

 

 

 

 

It sort of seems like Wombat is trying too hard to sound like town, so I'm actually starting to lean scum on Wombat. Although, his reminder on the soup mechanism makes me not so sure. That's a very town thing to do (since that's very powerful if the scum end up using it) but he could have said it to try to seem very town. 

 

Unvote Dawn. Vote Wombat.

 

I'll be coming more back to this later, but I don't think Dawn and Wombat is on the same team. This doesn't read like distancing. This reads like trying to participate and look townie by going off things others have said; riding Lily's coattails slightly.

 

Careful - your linking is going to blind you to what could be scum distancing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lenlo and Dice are my top scum reads atm.  Willing to test if either of them float if you know what I mean.

 

Pretty sure Lenlo won't float. The whole "WHERE IS ME!?"-thing, coupled with his brash defense of his joke, this was a joke, this was a joke, this was a joke, ooooh I'm always just joking doesn't read like town at all to me. 

 

And if he sinks, I wouldn't be too suprised if Dice didn't float either - but I'm having a harder time reading Dice, so I'm more comfortable with Len today. Also thinking if he flips scum, Mish is pretty much in the clear. 

 

Vote Lenlo

 

Other than that I have very little to go on, but for what it's worth - here is to listening to my gut:

 

Town: Wombat, Mish, Jack, Leelou

Null/conflicted: Pray, Verb, Dawn, Hallia, Alanna

Suspicious/scum: Lenlo, dice, Lily

 

 

I do not like this post. At all. Not comfortable with him linking Dice, Len and me together. And he kinda seems like he knows Lens alignement.

 

We can come back to this one - see below.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And now finally calling me out on all my jokes......that she's been playing off of the entire D1 thus far. She has maybe 2-3 other posts since I started with my jokes, but they are not aimed at me. Anything aimed at me has been pretty much 100% jokey.

 

And now "a lot of truth can be found in joking".

 

 

Indeed. Huge FOS to Leelou, and this is probably the earliest I've ever done this to her.

 

Cut out all the quotes, cause quote limit. Verb gives Leelou a big fat fos... But never votes her. Or anybody at all. That stinks to high heaven.

 

FOS =/= voting. I'm not sure if I can explain that better, so that's that. I FOSed her. I'm not ready to vote her for it. That stinks? We might have to agree to disagree on that one.

 

 

 

 

 

Hmm. Cute. Reads like town-on-town friendly bickering to me - but if for some reason one of you flip scum later on it'll be more interesting to analyze. 

 

Len jumping at the attention-comment just makes me more confident in my vote. Especially since he added the image - so he could brush it off as a joke? 

 

And Verb, sure, you are calm as a hindu cow. Still prefer Lee to get the panda 

 

Vos does even more linking of players. And he doesn't do much scumhunting. Gut says he is mafia, but it doesn't work too well together with my earlier theory.

 

Why not? Above (and this one) you mention you don't like a post of his because of the linking he did that involved you. But you've been doing some serious linking thus far yourself. Interesting, no?

 

 

 

 

 

vote dawn

 

Fourth times the charm. I hate mobile =.=

 

So this is at least one witch down.

 

Oh man, reads like the worst bus vote ever.

 

Agree somewhat, but that would be sloppy of Jack. And after the trio of Wombat, Jack, and I being the driving force and mastermind of a mafia team, you're now suggesting one of us made a silly/sloppy play on what will go down in mafia history as the easiest bus vote ever?

 

LOL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Checking back on Dawn's D1 posts, she only seems to joke about with Hallia and Lily.  Not much game-play interaction to really drill down on.  Null.

 

Finding this abit odd. You ISO'd Dawn, but only mention Hallia and Lily, with not much more gameplay interactions? If you are gonna mention the ISO, and mention Hallia and Lily, why not mention she voted Wombat for being "too town" and then basically clear him in the same post she votes him? And Wombat naming you in his "defense" (or, counter-attack-slash-defense)? Not drawing any conclusions from it yet, but I find it odd you omitted that from your comment.

 

 

Because I already addressed the potential for what Wombat was doing - my ISO was to identify interactions with other players that I didn't see addressed previously.

 

 

You never addressed Dawns' vote, or their interaction, you just addressed Wombat being "too town" - just like Dawn.

 

 

This post gives Vos some serious town points though.

 

2 times he got scum points, and now he gets some townie ones. Fair enough, I suppose. Can I get some townie points from you? hehe

 

 

 

 

 

Conclusions of sorts:

 

Dice and Alanna seem less likely to be mafia, since they both seemed to think it was a possibility that the Cosvote could go to no one. It might be faking it; but that's my gut feel right now at least. The witches would be quite aware of how the mechanic worked. And none of them read like dawn's superfake confused on reread. Vos is not scumhunting enough and posting a bit just to post.  I see it as unlikely Vos and Verbal is on the same team. Jack and Verbal seem very likely. I'm 99% sure one of them is mafia, and 80% sure both of them are. Pral, Wombat, town. Leelou, null still, wich worries me slightly. Alanna, Dice, Hallia, slight town. Vos, wildcard.

Dice & Alanna cosvote - should be a null tell, imo.  Not sure why witches are any more likely to know how the doublevote works - we aren't talking about the soupkill, here.

 

Disagree on Vos scumhunting.  I think he is - the question is whether it is faked or not.  Also, more linking by you - didn't you call Vos out for that?

 

Aaaaannnnnd more linking with Jack and I.

 

In conclusion, you're saying Jack and I are the last 2 witches.  Or some percentage chance of one or the other.  FYI, 49.6% of all percentages are made up on the spot.  Ponder that for a few.  ;-)

[Verbal32]

OMG that might be the longest post I've ever made in mafia.

 

I blame Barm Mish.

[Leelou]

Mish, Verbal would need more than an FoS to vote me, so I don't really find it scummy that he didn't. I'd find it more scummy if he actually did vote me. 

[csarmi]

It is now Night 2. Get your Night Actions in if you have any.

 

Night 2 deadline

I'm moving the night deadline to one hour earlier. So 14 hours and 10 minutes from now. Will post new timer.