[Advanced] Dragonmount Witchhunt Mafia!!! Game over, Witches win!!!

[WWWwombat]

QQ moar scrub.

 

 

CONFIRM.

 

Vote dawn.

 

I think I'm seeing a downside to this lynch system...

 

Me2.

 

 

Hypocrite.  I don't want the town harmed - that is called caring about your team.  You going to ride Vos' coattails on the cheesy case he's trying to build?

 

 

Maybe you should have voted then.  I found Vos' point to be interesting and wanted to see how you responded to it.

[michellem]

I'll hammer...

 

After I've reread.

 

So there.

 

 

Also, Dice, Alanna has more than two posts. She has six. Still bottom poster though.

[nervositee]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Checking back on Dawn's D1 posts, she only seems to joke about with Hallia and Lily.  Not much game-play interaction to really drill down on.  Null.

 

Finding this abit odd. You ISO'd Dawn, but only mention Hallia and Lily, with not much more gameplay interactions? If you are gonna mention the ISO, and mention Hallia and Lily, why not mention she voted Wombat for being "too town" and then basically clear him in the same post she votes him? And Wombat naming you in his "defense" (or, counter-attack-slash-defense)? Not drawing any conclusions from it yet, but I find it odd you omitted that from your comment.

 

 

Because I already addressed the potential for what Wombat was doing - my ISO was to identify interactions with other players that I didn't see addressed previously.

 

 

You never addressed Dawns' vote, or their interaction, you just addressed Wombat being "too town" - just like Dawn.

 

 

 

 

Huh?

 

 

You (apparently) ISO'ed Dawn. You point out her interactions with Hallia and Lily and claim there are no more game interactions to take notice of. 

 

Which means you for some reason find her vote on Wombat, and their back-and-forth completely unimportant - or you left it out on purpose.

 

When I mention it you say that you already mentioned the potential of what Wombat was doing. Which is completely irrelevant if we are looking for Dawns interactions D1.

 

The only thing you mentioned with what Wombat was doing (being "too town") was also what Dawn was voting him for. But you never addressed their interaction (dawn and wombat), neither when it happened or when you "looked back at her interaction".

 

So now I'm wondering why you omitted their interaction in your comment on dawn D1.

 

 

Because I was looking for interactions (or name drops) that were not involved in the major discussion topics of the day - to see what may have squeaked by unnoticed.  You, sir, are trying to drum up a cheesy case on me when you know my intent of the ISO.

 

No, you sir are trying to slither away from my point by calling my points names, instead of addressing them directly.  

 

 

 

 

QQ moar scrub.

 

 

CONFIRM.

 

Vote dawn.

 

I think I'm seeing a downside to this lynch system...

 

Me2.

 

 

Hypocrite.  I don't want the town harmed - that is called caring about your team.  You going to ride Vos' coattails on the cheesy case he's trying to build?

 

So... instead of just answering plain and simple - you attack the case. It wasn't originally a big deal, but instead of explaining it - or brushing it off - your sudden attack and desperate attempt at distancing yourself from my comment makes me suspicious now.

[michellem]

Immediate thoughts while halfway through reread.

 

I think the other two witches are very experienced players. And in this group that would be Verbal, Wombat, Leelou, Jack, possibly Alanna. Players who feel very confident in their abilites to be mafia and believe they are good at leading town. They risked Dawn for the soupkills now in the hopes of getting rid as many townies as possible, not worrying about loosing a teammember early because the remaining two think they can do it just well. I'm pretty certain there is at least one witch between Wombat/Verbal/Jack. Verbal and Jack I'll show with quotes on later why I think so. Wombat simply because he came out of D1 looking very good and townie. I do not think a team consisting mainly of newer, "weaker" (and I do not mean that as an insult in any way, I'm just not finding the correct word right now, hope you understand what I mean ) players like Vos, Hallia, Dice + Dawn, would have attempted the soup kill. Pral and I I would classify as "mid level" players. Pral is confirmed town since he was attempted to be killed and I know I'm not a witch. So I find it most likely the two remaining witches are two of the "upper lever" players, or one "upper level" and one of Vos, Dice, Hallia.

[Verbal32]

Maybe you should have voted then.  I found Vos' point to be interesting and wanted to see how you responded to it.

 

True, I should have. I don't always vote D1, and wasn't paying enough attention to that particular rule before the day ended. But I was active, so I was hoping to not have the town suffer because of a minor lapse in attention to detail.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Checking back on Dawn's D1 posts, she only seems to joke about with Hallia and Lily.  Not much game-play interaction to really drill down on.  Null.

 

Finding this abit odd. You ISO'd Dawn, but only mention Hallia and Lily, with not much more gameplay interactions? If you are gonna mention the ISO, and mention Hallia and Lily, why not mention she voted Wombat for being "too town" and then basically clear him in the same post she votes him? And Wombat naming you in his "defense" (or, counter-attack-slash-defense)? Not drawing any conclusions from it yet, but I find it odd you omitted that from your comment.

 

 

Because I already addressed the potential for what Wombat was doing - my ISO was to identify interactions with other players that I didn't see addressed previously.

 

 

You never addressed Dawns' vote, or their interaction, you just addressed Wombat being "too town" - just like Dawn.

 

 

 

 

Huh?

 

 

You (apparently) ISO'ed Dawn. You point out her interactions with Hallia and Lily and claim there are no more game interactions to take notice of. 

 

Which means you for some reason find her vote on Wombat, and their back-and-forth completely unimportant - or you left it out on purpose.

 

When I mention it you say that you already mentioned the potential of what Wombat was doing. Which is completely irrelevant if we are looking for Dawns interactions D1.

 

The only thing you mentioned with what Wombat was doing (being "too town") was also what Dawn was voting him for. But you never addressed their interaction (dawn and wombat), neither when it happened or when you "looked back at her interaction".

 

So now I'm wondering why you omitted their interaction in your comment on dawn D1.

 

 

Because I was looking for interactions (or name drops) that were not involved in the major discussion topics of the day - to see what may have squeaked by unnoticed.  You, sir, are trying to drum up a cheesy case on me when you know my intent of the ISO.

 

No, you sir are trying to slither away from my point by calling my points names, instead of addressing them directly.  

 

 

 

 

QQ moar scrub.

 

 

CONFIRM.

 

Vote dawn.

 

I think I'm seeing a downside to this lynch system...

 

Me2.

 

 

Hypocrite.  I don't want the town harmed - that is called caring about your team.  You going to ride Vos' coattails on the cheesy case he's trying to build?

 

So... instead of just answering plain and simple - you attack the case. It wasn't originally a big deal, but instead of explaining it - or brushing it off - your sudden attack and desperate attempt at distancing yourself from my comment makes me suspicious now.

 

LOL. I just addressed your questions to me. Now you're being silly. You can't ask me a question, and then accuse me of not answering.....right after I answer. That doesn't fly.

 

Your 2nd quote doesn't make sense. That was a response to Wombat - are you now answering for him? Or just white-knighting him?

[Verbal32]

Also, LOL @ you saying I'm distancing.  And being desperate.  You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel here.....

[Verbal32]

Immediate thoughts while halfway through reread.

 

I think the other two witches are very experienced players. And in this group that would be Verbal, Wombat, Leelou, Jack, possibly Alanna. Players who feel very confident in their abilites to be mafia and believe they are good at leading town. They risked Dawn for the soupkills now in the hopes of getting rid as many townies as possible, not worrying about loosing a teammember early because the remaining two think they can do it just well. I'm pretty certain there is at least one witch between Wombat/Verbal/Jack. Verbal and Jack I'll show with quotes on later why I think so. Wombat simply because he came out of D1 looking very good and townie. I do not think a team consisting mainly of newer, "weaker" (and I do not mean that as an insult in any way, I'm just not finding the correct word right now, hope you understand what I mean ) players like Vos, Hallia, Dice + Dawn, would have attempted the soup kill. Pral and I I would classify as "mid level" players. Pral is confirmed town since he was attempted to be killed and I know I'm not a witch. So I find it most likely the two remaining witches are two of the "upper lever" players, or one "upper level" and one of Vos, Dice, Hallia.

 

Be careful with this.  I would have zero problem with a gambit of sacrificing a witch to intentionally soupkill on another witch to be incorrect and thereby clear them.  It would almost guarantee a witch victory - have you thought of that?

 

Pralaya is likely town, but is in no way confirmed.

[michellem]

Lol @ you for completly ignoring the rest of that post.

[Alanna]

I like your analysis (the post Verb quoted), Mish, I think you may be on the right track there. I'm doing a reread now, will post some thoughts in a bit.

 

I apologize for my lack of involvement in the game so far, guys. I was sick for about six days and was giving only minimal attention to the game because of that.

[Verbal32]

Lol @ you for completly ignoring the rest of that post.

 

Did you want me to specifically address the insinuation that Wombat, Jack, or I are definitely mafia based on your decision that it had to be one of us to come up with the idea of using Dawn as a soup-killer on N1?

 

Do you realize that by naming 3 out of 11 living players, you're giving yourself the same chance to identify scum as you would be by picking names out of a hat?

[WWWwombat]

I like the way you're thinking Mish, but I think you're ignoring a couple of things that could confound the issue.  More on this in a sec.

[michellem]

I recommend everyone read up on the soup mechanic.  Because of this mechanic it is very important for townies not to tip, hint at, or reveal their roles..  We should still stop before lynching someone to allow a last defense, but forcing a true roleclaim will be as good as killing a townie.  And if the scum ever figure out all of our roles, they can end the game in one night.  It is important that we very carefully consider our actions in this game as outing power roles is much, much more dangerous than usual.  Traditional scumhunting will be vital.

 

I still don't think that was a "too townie" post from Wombat. Reads as good, solid town.

 

 

You say that like it's a bad thing lolz

Maybe she thinks it is because maybe she's scum again XD

 

 

 

If anyone would know it would be you

 

Got serious heebie jeebies from this exchange. This did not read like townie and mafia to me, this read staged.

 

However. The lily/verb thing did feel a little forced

 

This post stuck out to me know that we know Lily is town... Feels like trying to link to players. It doesn't tell me much about Verb's alignement by itself, but it does give me the vibe Jack knows both players alignements.

 

Why don't we just wait until we have some actual town reads?

 

 

Has to be voted day 1

 

 

 

 

Like giving you a gun? Lol

 

Think we need to talk this out before we give out a double vote.

 

That's cool.  Btw, I'd take the gun over the extra vote, hehe.  Oh wait, this isn't JN....no 80 to shoot.

 

 

 

 

Why don't we just wait until we have some actual town reads?

 

Why don't you read the rules?  ;-)

 

 

Also, this felt weird. Jack and Verb was very in lockstep the first pages of the game. Both came out early saying they wanted the panda, and then these quotes. Their whole exchanges on this is worth going back and looking at for everyone.

 

 

It sort of seems like Wombat is trying too hard to sound like town, so I'm actually starting to lean scum on Wombat. Although, his reminder on the soup mechanism makes me not so sure. That's a very town thing to do (since that's very powerful if the scum end up using it) but he could have said it to try to seem very town. 

 

Unvote Dawn. Vote Wombat.

 

I'll be coming more back to this later, but I don't think Dawn and Wombat is on the same team. This doesn't read like distancing. This reads like trying to participate and look townie by going off things others have said; riding Lily's coattails slightly.

 

 

Lenlo and Dice are my top scum reads atm.  Willing to test if either of them float if you know what I mean.

 

Pretty sure Lenlo won't float. The whole "WHERE IS ME!?"-thing, coupled with his brash defense of his joke, this was a joke, this was a joke, this was a joke, ooooh I'm always just joking doesn't read like town at all to me. 

 

And if he sinks, I wouldn't be too suprised if Dice didn't float either - but I'm having a harder time reading Dice, so I'm more comfortable with Len today. Also thinking if he flips scum, Mish is pretty much in the clear. 

 

Vote Lenlo

 

Other than that I have very little to go on, but for what it's worth - here is to listening to my gut:

 

Town: Wombat, Mish, Jack, Leelou

Null/conflicted: Pray, Verb, Dawn, Hallia, Alanna

Suspicious/scum: Lenlo, dice, Lily

 

 

I do not like this post. At all. Not comfortable with him linking Dice, Len and me together. And he kinda seems like he knows Lens alignement.

 

 

 

 

 

It sort of seems like Wombat is trying too hard to sound like town, so I'm actually starting to lean scum on Wombat. Although, his reminder on the soup mechanism makes me not so sure. That's a very town thing to do (since that's very powerful if the scum end up using it) but he could have said it to try to seem very town. 

 

Unvote Dawn. Vote Wombat.

 

Lol.  Lily says she might vote me and all of a sudden I'm trying too hard to look town.  But you're not sure because the soup warning was pretty pro-town.  But I could have been doing that to look town.  Which is what you already said I've been doing and an angle Verbal already brought up when I first did it.  Bandwagoning?  Check.  WIFOM/Hedging?  Check.  Redundant Filler?  Check.  Pretty scummy vote.  Add it to your joke self-vote and ineffectual complaint about weekend activity, and you're looking pretty scummy here.  What's the story morning glory?

 

Honestly, what does complaining about weekend activity have to do with being scum or not? It's not really scummy OR town, and a pretty neutral thing to do. That's a pretty ridiculous reason for being suspicious of me. I was just getting bored because there was barely any activity, and the majority of activity was about the cosmic panda, which NO ONE IS BOTHERING TO EXPLAIN TO ME. I've read the "other mechanisms" thing and STILL don't get it, and I'm too scared to look it up on the mafia wiki myself since people might think I'm being coached if I suddenly know what it is. Basically a lose-lose situation for me.

 

As for bandwagoning, it wasn't that big of a bandwagon since I was the only person who has voted for you so far and I think Lily is the only other person who has acted suspicious of you, and she didn't even vote you. Besides, bandwagoning HAS to happen in the game, or the players will never be able to come to a consensus on who to lynch. 

 

As for my joke self-vote? I pretty much did it because I've only played 1 game and I was scum in the only other game I've played. So pretty much, because I was scum in the 1 other game, it means I've been scum in 100% of the other games I've played, so pretty much it was Vote Dawn, she's always scum. I wasn't planning on keeping that vote for very long. 

 

 

 

Complaining about inactivity without adding is scummy though imo.  It looks like someone trying to say something that seems town without doing something that actually is town.

 

For the Cosmic Panda, we're basically voting to give someone two votes.  The mechanic is relatively simple.  Beyond that, the discussion is about the consequences of our decision.

 

Your point on bandwagoning is valid and a good defense.

 

And your joke self-vote didn't really say anything and could have been a way to avoid linking yourself to other players so that is why it's suspicious.  Got a mixed read on you right now because you do seem to be sticking your neck out a bit which is townish and the scummy things you've been doing could be due to you being new.

 

Thanks for explaining the cosmic panda thing. So basically we vote the person who seems to be the most town/best at finding scum? And I guess I should've tried adding to the activity but I had no suspicions yet, which is why I wanted there to be more activity.

 

Also, I think before I joke self-voted I joke claimed me and Lily to both be scum. 

 

 

I'm pretty certain Dawn and Wombat isn't mafia together... Again this doesn't read like distancing. They're a bit too tied together. A big mistake to do when making Dawn do the soup kills at night. And Wombat is a bit too good for this. I'm wifoming myself in circles, but I'm choosing to trust Wombat. For now.

 

And now finally calling me out on all my jokes......that she's been playing off of the entire D1 thus far. She has maybe 2-3 other posts since I started with my jokes, but they are not aimed at me. Anything aimed at me has been pretty much 100% jokey.

 

And now "a lot of truth can be found in joking".

 

 

Indeed. Huge FOS to Leelou, and this is probably the earliest I've ever done this to her.

 

 

Cut out all the quotes, cause quote limit. Verb gives Leelou a big fat fos... But never votes her. Or anybody at all. That stinks to high heaven.

 

Hmm. Cute. Reads like town-on-town friendly bickering to me - but if for some reason one of you flip scum later on it'll be more interesting to analyze. 

 

Len jumping at the attention-comment just makes me more confident in my vote. Especially since he added the image - so he could brush it off as a joke? 

 

And Verb, sure, you are calm as a hindu cow. Still prefer Lee to get the panda 

 

Vos does even more linking of players. And he doesn't do much scumhunting. Gut says he is mafia, but it doesn't work too well together with my earlier theory.

 

 

 

All three witches were gathered around the small cauldron, and were looking at eachother with a strange sort of excitement. Finally one nodded to the others, and then dipped a ladle into the pot and poured out some of the mixture into a clay bowl sitting nearby. Returning the ladle, she picked up the bowl and raised it to her lips. A grin broke out on her face, and the other two witches started to cackle softly. She finally closed her eyes and then started tipping the bowl back. She started to imagine the face of the one she would focus on first, and as the visual popped into her head, she felt a sudden rush of adrenaline. The soup tasted magnificent, she could feel every fiber, every morsel resonating with her entire body, and waves of energy reverberated back and forth as she rocked back and forth in the trance. She finally opened her mouth and said one word.

 

 

Lily has been Soupkilled.

 

 

Random - why not use the reg NK?  Unless there is more coming.....

 

 

 

....It would be weird if only one person was soupkilled.

 

More heebie jeebies from this. Ick.

 

Nice! I buddied Lily just for this. Because this role is the first one that the witches can deduce easily. Or attempt to :)

How would I know Lily would actually be Ithillan :facepalm

 

vote dawn

 

Pral has given me good town vibes in almost all his posts, and this one is no different.

 

vote dawn

 

Fourth times the charm. I hate mobile =.=

 

So this is at least one witch down.

 

Oh man, reads like the worst bus vote ever.

 

 

 

 

 

Checking back on Dawn's D1 posts, she only seems to joke about with Hallia and Lily.  Not much game-play interaction to really drill down on.  Null.

 

Finding this abit odd. You ISO'd Dawn, but only mention Hallia and Lily, with not much more gameplay interactions? If you are gonna mention the ISO, and mention Hallia and Lily, why not mention she voted Wombat for being "too town" and then basically clear him in the same post she votes him? And Wombat naming you in his "defense" (or, counter-attack-slash-defense)? Not drawing any conclusions from it yet, but I find it odd you omitted that from your comment. 

 

 

Because I already addressed the potential for what Wombat was doing - my ISO was to identify interactions with other players that I didn't see addressed previously.

 

 

You never addressed Dawns' vote, or their interaction, you just addressed Wombat being "too town" - just like Dawn. 

 

 

This post gives Vos some serious town points though.

 

I'm here for about two more hours, then it's off to bed before going to the airport in the morning. 

 

But.. But... Why not post anything more than this... Come one Hallia. Things like this is why you land in hot waters so often. Don't post saying nothing. If you don't have time to make a proper post, it's actually better to not post at all. If you had time to post this, then you had time for writing down some thoughts or reads.

 

 

 

Conclusions of sorts:

 

Dice and Alanna seem less likely to be mafia, since they both seemed to think it was a possibility that the Cosvote could go to no one. It might be faking it; but that's my gut feel right now at least. The witches would be quite aware of how the mechanic worked. And none of them read like dawn's superfake confused on reread. Vos is not scumhunting enough and posting a bit just to post.  I see it as unlikely Vos and Verbal is on the same team. Jack and Verbal seem very likely. I'm 99% sure one of them is mafia, and 80% sure both of them are. Pral, Wombat, town. Leelou, null still, wich worries me slightly. Alanna, Dice, Hallia, slight town. Vos, wildcard.

[Leelou]

Now that you reread, are you going to hammer Dawn like you said you would? 

[dicetosser1]

Hallia's "Im here for 2 hrs" but never answering my question minutes later has me sus on her. There is something else but it relates to another game.

 

Am waiting to hear more from Alanna

[dicetosser1]

We cant hammer dawn   a)cause she is already hammered with like 9 votes and B) cause until EVERYONE votes it has to go to DL and she isnt going to vote.  

 

Unless Des was serious about that n-1 thing which i didnt think he was

[Leelou]

I don't really see where he would have been joking. 

[hazelkrs1]

Wasn't joking.

 

Not gonna disrupt a game or let it get stale because of an experimental voting system.

 

I kinda think DM'ers are a bit spoiled when it comes to getting hammer games, but meh /shrug

[dicetosser1]

i didnt think he would make that sort of change mid game

[dicetosser1]

ninjad

 

vote dawn

[csarmi]

MODS WORD IS DA LAW

[WWWwombat]

Hmm.  DM ate my post.  But basically, I think that the soupkill attempt on Pralaya isn't indicative of the mafia being ok with sacrificing Dawn so much as it is indicative of the mafia being confident in their abilities to rolefish as well as them seeing Pralaya's meta-defense of Lily as crap.  This means they probably have someone with experience, but not necessarily as much as Mish is implying.  Anyone with sufficiently good rolefishing ability or experience with Lily's meta is a candidate imo.  But this is further confounded by the fact that a lot of people called BS on Pralaya's "clearing" of Lily.  This was probably one of the most anti-town moves in the game so far btw.  I would probably look first at someone who was trying to sow doubt on Pralaya's meta-analysis without outright blasting it.

[hazelkrs1]

I don't think a mod should keep themselves from being able to change things on the fly if needed, especially if using a new mechanic which might present circumstances that were not thought of before the game started.

 

It's not really that major of a change anyways. This way the game can't be stalled because the person getting lynched doesn't want to go yet, or because of an inactive or something.

[michellem]

@Leelou;

 

Yep. Got distracted by dinner.

 

See Dice has voted, but

 

vote dawn

[WWWwombat]

Wasn't joking.

 

Not gonna disrupt a game or let it get stale because of an experimental voting system.

 

I kinda think DM'ers are a bit spoiled when it comes to getting hammer games, but meh /shrug

 

 

Maybe because deadline games are legit terrible to play in.

[Alanna]

Hallia's "Im here for 2 hrs" but never answering my question minutes later has me sus on her. There is something else but it relates to another game.

 

Am waiting to hear more from Alanna

 

I said I'm rereading. Hush, you ;)