[Advanced/Experimental] Mass Effect I - Hydra Game - Game Over

[Xthrax]

Ok since the quotes got messed up, my post would be in colour and bold.

 

ReleaseTheEvil, on 05 Apr 2014 - 10:40 PM, said:

 

Tommyrod, on 05 Apr 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

This last hour is probably the least scummy I've ever seen Hallia be on tone. I also believe her claim, because she's clearing an easy mislynch. Mafia has no reason to do that right now.

 

Saving SS isn't reason enough?

 

Hallia might also be wrong. It's the only reason I'm thinking she isn't scum right now. She might just be plain wrong. But I am feeling most confident about SS.

 

Oh so now you don't think we are scum but just wrong?

 

ReleaseTheEvil, on 05 Apr 2014 - 10:43 PM, said:

 

_CLOUD, on 05 Apr 2014 - 10:41 PM, said:

 

Tommyrod, on 05 Apr 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

This last hour is probably the least scummy I've ever seen Hallia be on tone. I also believe her claim, because she's clearing an easy mislynch. Mafia has no reason to do that right now.

 

This.

 

 

If you want to read Hallia, look at her activity and the content of her posts. Her tone is NEVER scummy. That's her strength. She's always "innocent child". Well guess what, sometimes she's scum too. And she has lacked content this game.

 

So your now falling back on game activity to prove that we are scum?

 

ReleaseTheEvil, on 05 Apr 2014 - 10:58 PM, said:

The have strong-will kills or whatever?

 

I think she is wrong. That's why I believe Hallia is scum so much.

 

1. I feel very very very strongly SS is scum.

 

2. Hallia says she rb'ed them

 

3. I still think SS is scum

 

4. Scum killed last night

 

Possibilites

 

1. SS still had their kill go through somehow.

 

2. Hallia is scum and defending SS.

 

3. Clarthe is Scum or there was actually another strong player on this scum team (unlikely)

 

Of these 3 options, which do you guys think then? Since we want to talk about this.

 

Really now you pretty much going for any old reason. They have strong willed kills-come on?!

 

ReleaseTheEvil, on 05 Apr 2014 - 11:07 PM, said:

 

Tommyrod, on 05 Apr 2014 - 11:03 PM, said:

RTE and Lenlo sound rustled and forced since Hallia's claim; I just don't believe them. They should have more conviction and more willingness to compromise. I'm gonna let other people hop in here and comment, but I'd say it's gonna be them as scum about 85% of the time here.

 

Only means you'll be wrong 85% of the time then.

 

Please do what I said Tommy. You will see the light. I don't understand how YOU are so uncompromising about us given you won't even bother to read integral parts of the game and relevant parts I have suggested.

 

Now you are pleading and bargaining as a last-ditch attempt to save yourself?! AtE.

 

You deserved to be lynched as scum RTL.

 

If you were suspected as scum and you were town, you would have used logic.

 

First you deny, then you threaten and bad mouth. Last you use AtE. 

 

And even if you killed scum last night, I don't mostly believe you as town. Like Des said, you could be an SK trying to coast on that kill.

And finally, if you were actually town, when someone claimed your role-you would have definitely CC'ed to help town. Otherwise its completely anti-town and detrimental to town.

 

I agree with Hallia's vote.

[Xthrax]

Oh damn, the quotes got messed up. CS, I have edited in the post above for formatting. Can I also edit the one below for showing which are my responses?

[csarmi]

Of course. You may always edit for formatting purposes.

[Lenlo]

  On 4/6/2014 at 7:47 AM, Xthrax said:

 

 

 

And even if you killed scum last night, I don't mostly believe you as town. Like Des said, you could be an SK trying to coast on that kill.

And finally, if you were actually town, when someone claimed your role-you would have definitely CC'ed to help town. Otherwise its completely anti-town and detrimental to town.

 

I agree with Hallia's vote.

 

You dont seem to understand the pros and cons of CCing. If he was going to be lynched regardless of if we CCed or not then there was no reason for us to out ourselves. If we CCed then the scumwould have had an easy shot that night on who to kill and it is actually widely accepted here to NOT CC unless there is no other option. Its not anti town to not CC someone on D1 because alot of the time its worth the life of one scum to get rid of the town cop/informative role.

 

The entire case imo while a good effort on your part shows your inexperience in these kind of situations.

[Xthrax]

  On 4/6/2014 at 2:10 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 7:47 AM, Xthrax said:

 

 

 

And even if you killed scum last night, I don't mostly believe you as town. Like Des said, you could be an SK trying to coast on that kill.

And finally, if you were actually town, when someone claimed your role-you would have definitely CC'ed to help town. Otherwise its completely anti-town and detrimental to town.

 

I agree with Hallia's vote.

 

You dont seem to understand the pros and cons of CCing. If he was going to be lynched regardless of if we CCed or not then there was no reason for us to out ourselves. If we CCed then the scumwould have had an easy shot that night on who to kill and it is actually widely accepted here to NOT CC unless there is no other option. Its not anti town to not CC someone on D1 because alot of the time its worth the life of one scum to get rid of the town cop/informative role.

 

The entire case imo while a good effort on your part shows your inexperience in these kind of situations.

 

That's there but there are 2 sides to every coin. You have to think what would happen if they managed to escape if town thought they might not be lying or if they made their role indispensible. What would you have done then? It could have then resulted in someone innocent being killed and thus giving mafia an advantage.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Who doesn't believe that RTL killed PFG?

 

Would they have killed a team mate?

 

don't believe they are Mafia. They could be 3rd party but I think we need to step back and look at thinks a little less emotionally. I know you all KNOW that you're definitely right, but take a breath - ok?

 

Claims so far:

 

Hallia & X (Haxorz) ... Claimed Roleblocker

Leelou (SS) ... Claimed Vanilla

RTE & Len (RTL) ... Claimed Hunter

 

Ithi & Turin (WiFum) ... No claim

Tom & Corey (Crunk) ... No claim

Cloud & Darthe (Clarthe) ... No claim

Despo & Verbal (YOLO) ... No claim

 

 

Corey & Tommy (Crunk) Corey says that J-Tag changed their mind about him at the start of D2 and he feels this means they viewed him as Town. Tommy was doing a lot of analysing of the thread yesterday. A lot of it made sense.

 

Cloud & Darthe haven't given any real reasons about why they are Town but they were on the D1 lynch with us to get rid of Thane & Ameg. Darthe was about at the time of the Forced lynch. They think we are Mafia

 

Ithi & Turin were very instrumental in getting Thane and Ameg lynched - got it wrong about Jack - but were doing stuff behind the scenes to try and figure him out, unvoted J-Tag before the forced Lynch. Were basically messing about with changes of votes on YOLO and J-Tag to see what would happen.

 

Despo & Verbal - not on the Thane/Ameg Lynch - but were about, also about at the time of the J-Tag forced Lynch. Believes that any suspicion of them by us would be tunnelling so should be ignored. They both want Turin ignored a lot.

 

What could be happening?

 

1. RTL are 3rd party - but they did kill PFG. I don't think they are Mafia.

2. Hallia and Leelou are on the Mafia team together and cooked up a plot to save Leelou. If they did it's an excellent plot and to be applauded.

3. Hallia did block Leelou - but Leelou had a re-direct and so was still able to send out a kill.

 

But Leelou was NOT bothered yesterday. Not one bit. She either is Vanilla Town like she says and thinks there are worse lynches and she could go boo sucks to us all when she flipped Town - or it is all a schemey mafia plot. I think she's probably Town and Hallia too.

 

Darthe and Cloud ... they've been trying to discredit me an awful lot. Darthe posted a lot of jargon stuff and than some possibly high end stuff that I don't get. Cloud just wants people to see me and Turin are Mafia. I have very grave doubts about them. They could be mafia - but then I also got the feeling they were applying pressure to us so that we became a Lynch possibility and so were less likely to get NKd. Darthe said that wasn't the case and Cloud is still saying we are mafia - so I was wrong about that.

 

Tommy & Corey ... I don't like to be led, and part of me is worried that they are doing just that and think we will all listen and lynch everyone else. Could someone go back and see if what they said about J-Tag's suspicions of them changing after N1 are true? That would make me feel better about them.

 

Despo and Verbal ... I have a really bad feeling about them, but then Despo has made so many weird mistakes this game. I think he would have been more careful to get things right if he were Mafia. Verbal has been very grumpy the whole game - maybe that's just Verbal.

 

So ... I think we should Lynch Clarthe and if that doesn't work then RTL should shoot YOLO

 

 

 

Which is kind of funny as the joke in the sign up Thread was 'Lynch Clarthe and Vig Despo'

[Ithillian Turambar]

And if anyone else was the 'real' killer of PFG can they just say now.

 

I don't think anyone will though.

[Turin Turambar]

Despo, I am hardly tunneling on you. You are trying to perpetuate that impression for some reason. Methinks it could be preemptive dismissal of my questioning you. Now even though we are supposedly clear to you you are nudging the idea that we are "good enough to bus wisely". It looks more like you are floating an idea to see if you can get traction for a late game mislynch. Your actions have been sketch all game. setting aside the mafia on D1 to start two trains on townies. Flipping from the mafia on D2 to pressure what turned out to be the cop to claim resulting is his execution.Then a quick look at who got NKed. N1 the bodyguard so your kills could go thru. N2 spliff who were agreed that you didn't look good while they were catching up.

 

I think the best lynch today is Clarthe for the reasons Ithi gave. We test RTL tonight (I would prefer a VD shot). see what happens in the morning. I would expect RTL to be killed by the mafia as they represent a great danger if they can kill. 

 

Len, how can you call yourself a vig if despo is still alive?

 

I agree with Ithi about everything she said. I am a bit more of the opinion that Despo would be willing to derp if it would buy him town cred however. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/6/2014 at 7:47 AM, Xthrax said:

And finally, if you were actually town, when someone claimed your role-you would have definitely CC'ed to help town. Otherwise its completely anti-town and detrimental to town.

 

I agree with Hallia's vote.

This isn't actually true. If someone claims your Role on D1 you probably should try and not counterclaim them - it's giving the Mafia team Roled Targets to go for. Thane got Lynched anyway. When Thane claimed Tracker Len was saying that he wanted him Lynched. I don't think that logically RTL can be mafia - and I'm sorry to burst your bubble. The most they could be is 3rd party.

 

If you're voting them because you think that then fair enough - but who do you think is the probable last remaining mafia.

[Hallia]

I dunno, sometimes it's ok to CC D1, depending on the role, and how big a game it is.  A game this small, taking one of the mafia out D1 is pretty good, it leaves them pretty hurt.  But I think that's personal preference.

 

 

I still think he's mafia though.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:03 PM, Turin Turambar said:

I would prefer a VD shot

 

 

That's not something you should probably broadcast.

[Hallia]

*covers eyes*

 

What has been seen cannot be unseen!

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:08 PM, Hallia said:

I dunno, sometimes it's ok to CC D1, depending on the role, and how big a game it is.  A game this small, taking one of the mafia out D1 is pretty good, it leaves them pretty hurt.  But I think that's personal preference.

 

 

I still think he's mafia though.

Yes. You think you're right.

 

Answer the questions.

 

Do you think they killed PFG?

Do you think they would have killed a member of their own team?

 

What would be the benefit of that? Why would they knowingly probably halve their remaining players?

 

Dear me. Step outside of the box. 3rd party at most. Who's the Mafia?

 

Please answer the above and don't just say - yeah but I think their Mafia.

[Ithillian Turambar]

DID ANYONE REDIRECT ANYTHING LAST NIGHT THAT COULD HAVE CAUSED RTL TO KILL PFG BY MISTAKE?

 

 

because if you did, and they're the last one left stop being so bloody coy.

 

 

 

 

 

*listens*

[Ithillian Turambar]

PFG was back up btw ... would they have got the Jailkeeper role to use last night?

[Hallia]

D'you think there are two left then? Say he's not, and is third party or hunter or whatever.  My top suspect was Leelou, and since the NK still went through, there would likely need to be right?

[Turin Turambar]

Pral could have put in the kill. His death would not prevent it going thru.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I ink there i

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:20 PM, Hallia said:

D'you think there are two left then? Say he's not, and is third party or hunter or whatever.  My top suspect was Leelou, and since the NK still went through, there would likely need to be right?

I think I've said consistently that I think there is probably only 1 left.

 

I think I would like you to go through ALL the remaining people and tell me who you think is Mafia.

 

And not just keep saying you think it is RTL because you think it is RTL. Logically the most they can be is 3rd party. There's a Mafia out there. You say you blocked Leelou so she's out of suspicion for the kill.

 

Why are you not able to look at anyone else here?

[Tommyrod]

I keep asking this and would like an answer, I don't know why RTE refused to do it... is there anything from in-thread play that means RTL is never scum/scum with the dead teams? 

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:24 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Pral could have put in the kill. His death would not prevent it going thru.

Turin is correct.

 

In the Night there were two mafia. PFG could have put in the kill. Actions all happen at the same time.

 

Your Block on Leelou would not have stopped that.

 

She could still be Mafia.

 

I was just when he figured that one out.

[Hallia]

I fully intend to, just had a few questions first

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:26 PM, Tommyrod said:

I keep asking this and would like an answer, I don't know why RTE refused to do it... is there anything from in-thread play that means RTL is never scum/scum with the dead teams?

I don't know what you mean.

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:26 PM, Tommyrod said:

I keep asking this and would like an answer, I don't know why RTE refused to do it... is there anything from in-thread play that means RTL is never scum/scum with the dead teams? 

they killed one of the mafia? or do you have info to refute that?

 

actions>>words

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:26 PM, Hallia said:

I fully intend to, just had a few questions first

Don't forget to scratch my bit about Leelou not being able to be on the Mafia team.

[Tommyrod]

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:27 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:26 PM, Tommyrod said:

I keep asking this and would like an answer, I don't know why RTE refused to do it... is there anything from in-thread play that means RTL is never scum/scum with the dead teams?

I don't know what you mean.

 

When the only thing that makes someone town is a role claim, I'm insanely skeptical. Yes, they could be town. But have the dead scum gone after them or done anything that looks like a genuine attempt to get them lynched or put suspicion on them? What I saw was dead scum mentioning them as scummy in passing but not going after them. If I'm wrong and the dead scum DID go after them, I'd like someone to tell me so I can move on to another suspect.