[Advanced/Experimental] Mass Effect I - Hydra Game - Game Over

[Darthe]

  On 4/4/2014 at 6:38 PM, Ithillian said:

Was it Despo in the garage with a bass?

Was it Darthe in the library with a heavy leather bound mystery novel?

Or was it Len in the land of pink unicorns with a knife?

 

round and round and round they go ...

 

 

Waited all day for one of these.  Not only is this an extreme example of fearmongering (I may add it to the wiki) but this sort of conjecture attempts to pin those who posted after or during the event in a negative light by artificially segregating them from the population due to the fact that we can confirm them as online.  This is, in fact, a null point due to several factors including: people who are online but don't post or appear to be online, mafia having a team that can submit things so that the person who checks the thread doesn't have to be the one who submits an action, the potential for mafia to avoid communication post-event for risk management purposes and the fact that no scum want to find themselves cast into the limelight + the spotlight that was that execution.  If anything the suggestion above is a case in itself.

 

Anyone?

 

You guys picking up what i'm putting down?

 

Let me spoiler it for you and see if you can guess.

 

 

 

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Ithi-scum in the house. 

 

 

[Darthe]

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:08 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 1:07 PM, Verbal32 said:

This post makes me almost certain you are scum.  You know that after J-Tag, you guys are our top pick for scum, and this is your way of clearing your name for our eventual flip as town.

 

That sounds like confirmation bias, Verbal. At that point, no matter what I said, you would have used that to misrep as scummy. What you are suggesting is a short term band-aid, which makes it seem like an over-reaching point.  

 

 

That is a godawful argument.  I have three people that I think AJ may have viewed.  I sincerely hope you were it and get NK'd.

[Darthe]

  On 4/4/2014 at 6:53 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 2:33 PM, _CLOUD said:

Hallia voted for J-TAG before they revealed to be the Cop.

OMG you dobber!!

 

Yes Hallia pushed it up to 4 votes @ 3.29 ... but Despo could have unvoted it back down to 3. Why didn't you mention that?

 

 

Darthe and Despo both question Turin's logic in changing our vote from J-Tag to YOLO - in their own special ways.

 

 

This implies foresight of the event.  More Ithi implications.  This + Turinflop - logical methodology = mafia

 

 

Pretty sure that is the technical definition of it.

[Darthe]

  On 4/4/2014 at 5:11 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

 

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  On 4/1/2014 at 9:57 PM, corycurren said:

22-30 things get more interesting

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:48 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

*sigh* ok, i'll walk to my own cupboard then and steal my wife's chocolate. If i'm in trouble for that, i blame you Ithi...

 

 

Indeed, seeing we get voted as one, we should try to vote as one as well. Or maybe i'm just plain crazy to think like that....

 

 

*says Easy lynch, one more time...*

 

Turin, do you agree with me that Hallia/X are very, very likely town considering the way Thane spoke of them?

 

I honestly think there's nothing in the world more valuable to town than an inexperienced Mafioso getting lynched early - they say way more than they should and slip in subtle ways. I think Thane thoroughly spewed Hallia as town simply by saying something as innocuous ATM as "she is going for an easy lynch" - what do you think?

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:27 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:44 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:43 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

but.. i want chocolate...

 

And, true, i am indeed cautious. Personally, i'd like to discuss what Amega thinks to see if we're on the same line before giving out numbers and reads.

But these are YOUR thoughts and feelings.

 

Why would you need them checking?

 

You want to make sure all the numbers add up?

 

 

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:53 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

this would be a lot easier without the hydra thing....

 

*gets the feeling he is being trapped into making classic n00b mistakes*

 

oh.. and.. are you going to make a meme for everything?

 

 

Thane Vakarian is a sorry man, fights only to lose

Sells a thimble, quick and nimble, Chaelca turns him to booze

Thane oh Thane, his own hydras bane, found himself stuck to the roots

fell into Ithillians trap and now is left to this ruse

 

##Vote Thane

 

 

Darthe is hard to read. If Straw Hats were to start being bussed, it would be around vote ~4, and this was vote 3 on the train. Darthe may be being earnest here, but I can't say for certain. I might dream about this post - I will hope for divine intervention

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:34 PM, TinaHel said:

Leelou has problem getting on. Her internet isn´t working all the time. 

 

We had a short talk earlier. Our reads doesn´t match very good. Leelou´s vote on Wifom was based on Des´s case since she agreed with him. 

 

I´m very unsure about Wifum. Turin´s "case" on Verbal was very Des like. Taking anything and making up a case around it. And then never letting it go. It´s clear that Ithi and Turin misunderstood Lily but if it was on purpose or not I don´t know. That is the scummy parts. At the same time, Ithi is behaving like town Ithi. Not that I remember playing with mafia Ithi in a very long time but this is how she played in Darthe´s game. I thought that she might on to something with Straw Hats and Evil Siblings but... so yeh, can´t say town or mafia. 

 

I´m not fond of Straw Hat´s game. In short - following others, ,fencesitting, the Hally/Lily mix up. 

 

Actually, I find this hydra thing very hard. Not just because Leelou and I have different reads and that we haven´t been able to communicate much due to internet problems, but also because I can get different feelings from the different hydra heads. 

 

For now. 

 

 

## Vote Straw Hats

 

 

I´ll see what Leelou has to say when she gets back on. She is clearly the better player so I rely on her reads. 

 

Vote four, potential bus vote. Dislike the notion that Tina wants to leave up to Lee because she's "clearly the better player" - looks more of an excuse to back out. Scum seemed to have a plan to get SH out of this mess with a roleclaim, have to begin wondering when it was set in motion.

 

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:58 PM, Chaelca said:

 

Vote Count - 1.10

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

YoloHashSwag (1) - J-TAG

Clarthe (1) - Spliffanity

Straw Hats (4) - Clarthe, HaXorz, WIFUM, SexySisters

WiFuM (2) - YoloHashSwag, CRUNK

HaXorz (1) - Evil Siblings

RTL (1) - Straw Hats

Sexy Sisters (2) - PFG, RTL

 

not voting : -

 

Deadline: Deadline-D1

 

 

We're at four, so this is now a real train. HaXorz and WIFUM in particular look good on this train.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:13 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

RTE's post was very fence sitting. I'll let Jack explain any thoughts he might want to share, but we both think RTE is scummy.

 

##voteRTL

 

Potential attempt to disrail train from ES, targetted at RTE.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:43 PM, amegakure said:

ithi is wrong. I make silly mistakes in almost every game that make me look like scum. The fact that you have no way of knowing my mafia meta since i havent been mafia since my dm return is troubling. Also camping on the thread over the weekend while my life keeps me occupied isnt exactly scum hunting. I reply to question when i have the time and or sobriety.. 

 

Also whats wrong with thane asking my opinion. didnt you just try to call us out for having differing opinions on teams. It's a never ending battle with you guys

 

des/verb seem distant not much swag coming from that direction but got a town lean.

 

Ithi/turin. Are aggravating but also more of the most active players.

 

Jack/lily havent seen much from these guys besides a response to wifum. seems like there isnt much conviction there. 

 

Clarthe. watching the show from the sidelines. 

 

rte got a scum read on them. 

 

pfg...null havent seen much play

 

leelou. is null as well. 

 

Bolds again, similar players. The read on Leelou in particular is alarming, as Amega ignores Tina (Leelou "clearly being the better player" in Tina's words), who just voted Amega.

 

Could very well be one of those accidentally-ignore-a-scummate-trying-to-towncred blusters.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:51 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:41 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:33 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

I hate the "Vote now and explain later/let someone else explain/I can't explain my change of vote/I want someone else to do it/don't ask me questions plz" attitude.

 

Still think her interaction with you looked town but this didn't.

You're not really making sense right now.

 

You went from Town to Mafia in an instant. Lily did that yesterday too. Neither sit well with me - but maybe you just being reactionary?

 

What do you honestly think about Jack and Lily? If you think they Town then they voting you for what they think are legit reasons, right?

 

What do you think about Thane and thingummy really? Why do you think they are going to get Lynched - but have a null read on them?

 

 

That was reactionary. I'm fine with saying my Day 1 reads can change, especially they little they are based on. Some are more solid than others but like any read interactions will change them. I don't know what to think about Jack really. I don't know how he usually plays, but it appears it might be with a chip on his shoulder. He still hasn't come in and done any explaining like Lily said he would. I really dislike overconfident players unless their play backs it up (basically almost only Ishy).

People need to be held accountable for votes without explanation, especially if they are town because that hurts us more. I think based on the interaction with you Lily looked town. Therefore to me that balances out to a town read. Not the strongest town read in the world but a town read. If they are town then they should not only share their reasons for voting but their read of the hydras as well.

 

Saying I thought strawhats would be lynched is your interpretation of what I wrote. Everyone in this game can be lynched. Therefore it is possible we will have a flip on anyone. I said the fact that I believe in their reads they only gave a town read to PFG is interesting and that if we knew their alignment their reads list (and this one specifically) would be informative. That's why reads are important. I don't need to explain that to you.

 

I'm going on an fMRI course this week so I wanted to contribute today when I had a bit more time to go through the thread than I will for this week. I will still be around and expect to be active and contributing nonetheless.

 

 

Man, this reaction looks awful. Incredible over-explanation of a simple idea, assessing and promising activity, etc. etc.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:59 PM, Jack_D said:

Rte. you and Strawhats, and Hallia's team are my 1, 2 and 3 for scum

 

I can back my play and I usually do. Like I said your apparent over knowledge of me seemed like a slip.

 

 

Ithi commented that I nudged expertly. That would of been the only comment and how good I'd be as scum.

 

I don't see the apparent need for us to repost a list of players and what they've done that we find scummy or not. It's cliche and it's been done a bunch already. When I have something new to add or something I think I've figured out ill say it. But as of right now. Lily and myself have voted and we've given the reason behind the votes.

 

Your reactionary squirming was very reaffirming to me.

 

However I will ask you.

 

Hallia's comment about town vs town. How'd that read to you? I've been emphatic as to what my opinion was. I'd like to hear yours.

 

StrawHats as a scumread, does not really follow up in any way, wants to pursue Hallia (who is voting StrawHats). Combats RTE to some extent. A little overly deliberate, nothing that rules out scum-scum pushing.

 

 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 12:22 AM, Andrej said:

Confrontational Darthe is confrontational.

 

Still down for those dak pics? lol

 

I have a question for you Darthe. Could you explain your linking scenario a little more for me? You're voting Straw Hats, I believe... but also putting down RTE's reads post as a psy-scum tell.

 

Therefore you think Straw Hats is scum as well as RTL.

 

RTL is now voting Straw Hats.

 

Does this disrupt your scenario in any way?

 

How does me pointing out your statement towards RTE make me scum with Straw Hats (if they are scum) and RTL more likely to be town?

 

AJ/Darthe not scum-scum 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 12:36 AM, Andrej said:

The Ithurin/Lilack back and forth is a bit tiring. Leaning town for WiFuM, judgement reserved for the Evil Sibs. I always read Jack as scum in the two games I've played with him, and he was town in both. Don't wanna repeat that Call of Cthulhu game lol

 

I think Len redeemed his slot a bit with that catch-up post.

 

I don't find Amega/Thane overly scummy for any reason. Thane's post read more newbish to me, and I doubt he would be so freely joking around on thread if he had an internalized guilt. I actually liked Amega's post early on where he is pointing out Turin's instant scumread on Verbothera, which we can all expect as mandatory at this point.

 

Think Hallia's vote on Straw Hats was a bit scummy.

 

Clarthe is looking worse to me.

 

Not too sure about Krap (Spliffanity). I think Dap invests a little too much on reactions. Some players are more reactionary than others, it doesn't make them bad. I don't find it weird or suspect that Cloud asked for specific reasons since Leelou had put her vote on them multiple times.

 

Don't like how the #Yoloboys have dropped off the face of the game. Despo's entrance and early game buddying to Cory/Monk was pretty gross. Definitely not good vibes from their sort, I think they'll make the best lynch of all today.

 

Sort of suspect of the SS girls. Someone pointed out earlier (Jack maybe?) that their little dispute about who to vote allows them to play both sides of the fence. Leelou has reason for not being active but Tina's sniping post earlier gives me bad juju. I'd like to see more from her when/if she catches up and posts again.

 

Pral's game entrance gave me bad juju as well but I like how he is pushing the SS girls. He is usually an outlier when it comes to voting as town I have noticed, so I retract the early scum read. Would like to see more from BFG though, if she is town it will soon be apparent.

 

 Overall a very solid post - if there's anyone defending Thane that I can follow, it's AJ. I had similar thoughts on some things and disagree heavily on others, but one of the few posts this game that actually shows some sort of mindset. 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 12:42 AM, amegakure said:

 

what exactly is it about clarthe that bothers you. i dont have much of a history with him.. and the one game i did play he was just as mysterious as he is now. 

 

btw WIfum that was directed towards turin not ithi. since me not replying to ithi promptly was a scumtell for turin. surprise surpise. 

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 9:16 PM, Ithillian said:

Oh yes. I never said anything about him not being about much. I wonder why he said that I did.

 

Not many people have been about much hence ---> le weekend, but I don't mind. I don't think I've ever called anyone out for inactivity cos you know - people all play different and that's cool.

 

It's even in my rules when I host the odd game.

 

Yup ... feel free to camp away. I'm not going to stop you.

 

 

Amega potentially townspewing Clarthe again here.

 

 

 

So this caught my eye and it took me a bit, but I realized that early in this post Cory makes the claim that Clarthe's vote was #3 on Straw Hat's train, yet they were #1.  It seems like a pretty obvious mistake, but he goes on to make a case on Clarthe as town due to "Strawspewing" and the mispost of that train.

 

 

Cory then goes on to FOS the Sexy Sisters

 

defends Hallia

 

defends AJ

 

goes out of his way to cleave a link between Clarthe and JTAG 

 

God I like your team this game.  Curious, you have done a no no here.  IIoA.  What the hell do you think of these acts?

[Ithillian Turambar]

lol @ Darthe

 

 

You're brilliant.

 

I'm not afraid to state the obvious because I don't care what people think.

 

But I love that you didn't mention it because you thought it would make you look bad.

 

 

 

because it's null ...

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:12 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 6:53 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 2:33 PM, _CLOUD said:

Hallia voted for J-TAG before they revealed to be the Cop.

OMG you dobber!!

 

Yes Hallia pushed it up to 4 votes @ 3.29 ... but Despo could have unvoted it back down to 3. Why didn't you mention that?

 

 

Darthe and Despo both question Turin's logic in changing our vote from J-Tag to YOLO - in their own special ways.

 

 

This implies foresight of the event.  More Ithi implications.  This + Turinflop - logical methodology = mafia

 

 

Pretty sure that is the technical definition of it.

 

Ok.

[Pralaya]

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:10 PM, Darthe said:

 

That is a godawful argument.  I have three people that I think AJ may have viewed.  I sincerely hope you were it and get NK'd.

 

 

And, why do you think it so? What part of Verbal's statement sounds as a plausible, long term solution for scum? When i have seen verbal and des twisting so many of my statements, why would I not think he is doing the same again?

[Verbal32]

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:02 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 5:40 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 3:17 PM, Turin Turambar said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 3:15 PM, corycurren said:

Pretty obvious who they viewed

 

Come @ me scumzos

Despo, he has issued you a challenge.

 

 

Dude, you should just stop posting.  I already explained what the go-forward situation should be.  Even if you think we are scum, I'm proposing that we'll need to be lynched.  Holy crap you're making yourself look bad.

 

Chillax, and you'll get to see us swing sooner rather than later.  Keep pushing like somebody who isn't paying attention, and you'll end up accidentally defending us.

 

Classy.

 

We love you too.

 

 

Are we playing the irony game?  Lovely.

[Verbal32]

If I had to guess who pulled that trigger on the Executioner, I'd guess Clarthe.

[_CLOUD]

  On 4/4/2014 at 6:40 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

I'm disliking Yolo more and more.

 

Is that it? I can't say I'm impressed with your "reads" on Cory and your case against Despo where you bring up two posts where Despo and Cory share the same opinion about something that is considered more as a way to play the game than anything else.

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 6:53 PM, Ithillian said:

Yes Hallia pushed it up to 4 votes @ 3.29 ... but Despo could have unvoted it back down to 3. Why didn't you mention that?

 

This is a logical fallacy because like Darthe explained it implies foresight of the event.

 

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 6:59 PM, Ithillian said:

@ Cloud ... Do you think Len sent in the action to force the Lynch?

 

Who do you think was Mafia on J-Tag's actual lynch train?

I don't know; It could have been anyone. His response to the Execution did stick out the most to me though.

 

This is another faulty argument. There doesn't have to be a mafia on J-TAG's train. If I had to guess however it would be Leelou because I'm the least sure about her.

[Darthe]

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:45 PM, Verbal32 said:

If I had to guess who pulled that trigger on the Executioner, I'd guess Clarthe.

I think I would have unvoted after doing it, but we four who were on the train are good options. Im not game for your plan of lynching everyone if we ignore people outside of it to do so btw. Thats a great way to pidgeonhole a group and make mistakes. However, it seems pretty clear that at least one was on it.

[Ithillian Turambar]

You're not supposed to say that. It's in the Darthe's Great Big Little Book Of Things You Shouldn't Say In A Mafia Game.

 

or DGBLTOTYSSIAMG for short.

[Ithillian Turambar]

oh bugger ... that was to verbal about thinking Darthe dunnit

 

I should remember to quote.

[Darthe]

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:51 PM, Ithillian said:

You're not supposed to say that. It's in the Darthe's Great Big Little Book Of Things You Shouldn't Say In A Mafia Game.

 

or DGBLTOTYSSIAMG for short.

Sarcasm wont beget that you have weak arguments backed by logical fallacies and your bonded hasnt fared any better.

[Lenlo]

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:51 PM, Ithillian said:

You're not supposed to say that. It's in the Darthe's Great Big Little Book Of Things You Shouldn't Say In A Mafia Game.

 

or DGBLTOTYSSIAMG for short.

Can I get a copy of this?

[Krakalakachkn]

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:13 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 5:11 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

 

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  On 4/1/2014 at 9:57 PM, corycurren said:

22-30 things get more interesting

 

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:48 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

*sigh* ok, i'll walk to my own cupboard then and steal my wife's chocolate. If i'm in trouble for that, i blame you Ithi...

 

 

Indeed, seeing we get voted as one, we should try to vote as one as well. Or maybe i'm just plain crazy to think like that....

 

 

*says Easy lynch, one more time...*

 

 

Turin, do you agree with me that Hallia/X are very, very likely town considering the way Thane spoke of them?

I honestly think there's nothing in the world more valuable to town than an inexperienced Mafioso getting lynched early - they say way more than they should and slip in subtle ways. I think Thane thoroughly spewed Hallia as town simply by saying something as innocuous ATM as "she is going for an easy lynch" - what do you think?

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:27 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:44 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:43 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

but.. i want chocolate...

 

And, true, i am indeed cautious. Personally, i'd like to discuss what Amega thinks to see if we're on the same line before giving out numbers and reads.

 

But these are YOUR thoughts and feelings.

Why would you need them checking?

You want to make sure all the numbers add up?

 

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:53 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

this would be a lot easier without the hydra thing....

 

*gets the feeling he is being trapped into making classic n00b mistakes*

 

oh.. and.. are you going to make a meme for everything?

 

 

 

Thane Vakarian is a sorry man, fights only to lose

Sells a thimble, quick and nimble, Chaelca turns him to booze

Thane oh Thane, his own hydras bane, found himself stuck to the roots

fell into Ithillians trap and now is left to this ruse

 

##Vote Thane

 

Darthe is hard to read. If Straw Hats were to start being bussed, it would be around vote ~4, and this was vote 3 on the train. Darthe may be being earnest here, but I can't say for certain. I might dream about this post - I will hope for divine intervention

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:34 PM, TinaHel said:

Leelou has problem getting on. Her internet isn´t working all the time. 

 

We had a short talk earlier. Our reads doesn´t match very good. Leelou´s vote on Wifom was based on Des´s case since she agreed with him. 

 

I´m very unsure about Wifum. Turin´s "case" on Verbal was very Des like. Taking anything and making up a case around it. And then never letting it go. It´s clear that Ithi and Turin misunderstood Lily but if it was on purpose or not I don´t know. That is the scummy parts. At the same time, Ithi is behaving like town Ithi. Not that I remember playing with mafia Ithi in a very long time but this is how she played in Darthe´s game. I thought that she might on to something with Straw Hats and Evil Siblings but... so yeh, can´t say town or mafia. 

 

I´m not fond of Straw Hat´s game. In short - following others, ,fencesitting, the Hally/Lily mix up. 

 

Actually, I find this hydra thing very hard. Not just because Leelou and I have different reads and that we haven´t been able to communicate much due to internet problems, but also because I can get different feelings from the different hydra heads. 

 

For now. 

 

 

## Vote Straw Hats

 

 

I´ll see what Leelou has to say when she gets back on. She is clearly the better player so I rely on her reads.

 

 

Vote four, potential bus vote. Dislike the notion that Tina wants to leave up to Lee because she's "clearly the better player" - looks more of an excuse to back out. Scum seemed to have a plan to get SH out of this mess with a roleclaim, have to begin wondering when it was set in motion.

 

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:58 PM, Chaelca said:

Vote Count - 1.10

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

YoloHashSwag (1) - J-TAG

Clarthe (1) - Spliffanity

Straw Hats (4) - Clarthe, HaXorz, WIFUM, SexySisters

WiFuM (2) - YoloHashSwag, CRUNK

HaXorz (1) - Evil Siblings

RTL (1) - Straw Hats

Sexy Sisters (2) - PFG, RTL

 

not voting : -

Deadline: Deadline-D1

 

 

We're at four, so this is now a real train. HaXorz and WIFUM in particular look good on this train.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:13 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

RTE's post was very fence sitting. I'll let Jack explain any thoughts he might want to share, but we both think RTE is scummy.

 

##voteRTL

 

 

Potential attempt to disrail train from ES, targetted at RTE.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:43 PM, amegakure said:

ithi is wrong. I make silly mistakes in almost every game that make me look like scum. The fact that you have no way of knowing my mafia meta since i havent been mafia since my dm return is troubling. Also camping on the thread over the weekend while my life keeps me occupied isnt exactly scum hunting. I reply to question when i have the time and or sobriety.. 

 

Also whats wrong with thane asking my opinion. didnt you just try to call us out for having differing opinions on teams. It's a never ending battle with you guys

 

des/verb seem distant not much swag coming from that direction but got a town lean.

 

Ithi/turin. Are aggravating but also more of the most active players.

 

Jack/lily havent seen much from these guys besides a response to wifum. seems like there isnt much conviction there. 

 

Clarthe. watching the show from the sidelines. 

 

rte got a scum read on them. 

 

pfg...null havent seen much play

 

leelou. is null as well. 

 

 

Bolds again, similar players. The read on Leelou in particular is alarming, as Amega ignores Tina (Leelou "clearly being the better player" in Tina's words), who just voted Amega.

 

Could very well be one of those accidentally-ignore-a-scummate-trying-to-towncred blusters.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:51 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:41 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:33 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

I hate the "Vote now and explain later/let someone else explain/I can't explain my change of vote/I want someone else to do it/don't ask me questions plz" attitude.

 

Still think her interaction with you looked town but this didn't.

 

You're not really making sense right now.

You went from Town to Mafia in an instant. Lily did that yesterday too. Neither sit well with me - but maybe you just being reactionary?

What do you honestly think about Jack and Lily? If you think they Town then they voting you for what they think are legit reasons, right?

What do you think about Thane and thingummy really? Why do you think they are going to get Lynched - but have a null read on them?

 

That was reactionary. I'm fine with saying my Day 1 reads can change, especially they little they are based on. Some are more solid than others but like any read interactions will change them. I don't know what to think about Jack really. I don't know how he usually plays, but it appears it might be with a chip on his shoulder. He still hasn't come in and done any explaining like Lily said he would. I really dislike overconfident players unless their play backs it up (basically almost only Ishy).

People need to be held accountable for votes without explanation, especially if they are town because that hurts us more. I think based on the interaction with you Lily looked town. Therefore to me that balances out to a town read. Not the strongest town read in the world but a town read. If they are town then they should not only share their reasons for voting but their read of the hydras as well.

 

Saying I thought strawhats would be lynched is your interpretation of what I wrote. Everyone in this game can be lynched. Therefore it is possible we will have a flip on anyone. I said the fact that I believe in their reads they only gave a town read to PFG is interesting and that if we knew their alignment their reads list (and this one specifically) would be informative. That's why reads are important. I don't need to explain that to you.

 

I'm going on an fMRI course this week so I wanted to contribute today when I had a bit more time to go through the thread than I will for this week. I will still be around and expect to be active and contributing nonetheless.

 

Man, this reaction looks awful. Incredible over-explanation of a simple idea, assessing and promising activity, etc. etc.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:59 PM, Jack_D said:

Rte. you and Strawhats, and Hallia's team are my 1, 2 and 3 for scum

I can back my play and I usually do. Like I said your apparent over knowledge of me seemed like a slip.

Ithi commented that I nudged expertly. That would of been the only comment and how good I'd be as scum.

I don't see the apparent need for us to repost a list of players and what they've done that we find scummy or not. It's cliche and it's been done a bunch already. When I have something new to add or something I think I've figured out ill say it. But as of right now. Lily and myself have voted and we've given the reason behind the votes.

Your reactionary squirming was very reaffirming to me.

However I will ask you.

Hallia's comment about town vs town. How'd that read to you? I've been emphatic as to what my opinion was. I'd like to hear yours.

 

 

StrawHats as a scumread, does not really follow up in any way, wants to pursue Hallia (who is voting StrawHats). Combats RTE to some extent. A little overly deliberate, nothing that rules out scum-scum pushing.

 

 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 12:22 AM, Andrej said:

Confrontational Darthe is confrontational.

 

Still down for those dak pics? lol

 

I have a question for you Darthe. Could you explain your linking scenario a little more for me? You're voting Straw Hats, I believe... but also putting down RTE's reads post as a psy-scum tell.

 

Therefore you think Straw Hats is scum as well as RTL.

 

RTL is now voting Straw Hats.

 

Does this disrupt your scenario in any way?

 

How does me pointing out your statement towards RTE make me scum with Straw Hats (if they are scum) and RTL more likely to be town?

 

 

AJ/Darthe not scum-scum 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 12:36 AM, Andrej said:

The Ithurin/Lilack back and forth is a bit tiring. Leaning town for WiFuM, judgement reserved for the Evil Sibs. I always read Jack as scum in the two games I've played with him, and he was town in both. Don't wanna repeat that Call of Cthulhu game lol

 

I think Len redeemed his slot a bit with that catch-up post.

 

I don't find Amega/Thane overly scummy for any reason. Thane's post read more newbish to me, and I doubt he would be so freely joking around on thread if he had an internalized guilt. I actually liked Amega's post early on where he is pointing out Turin's instant scumread on Verbothera, which we can all expect as mandatory at this point.

 

Think Hallia's vote on Straw Hats was a bit scummy.

 

Clarthe is looking worse to me.

 

Not too sure about Krap (Spliffanity). I think Dap invests a little too much on reactions. Some players are more reactionary than others, it doesn't make them bad. I don't find it weird or suspect that Cloud asked for specific reasons since Leelou had put her vote on them multiple times.

 

Don't like how the #Yoloboys have dropped off the face of the game. Despo's entrance and early game buddying to Cory/Monk was pretty gross. Definitely not good vibes from their sort, I think they'll make the best lynch of all today.

 

Sort of suspect of the SS girls. Someone pointed out earlier (Jack maybe?) that their little dispute about who to vote allows them to play both sides of the fence. Leelou has reason for not being active but Tina's sniping post earlier gives me bad juju. I'd like to see more from her when/if she catches up and posts again.

 

Pral's game entrance gave me bad juju as well but I like how he is pushing the SS girls. He is usually an outlier when it comes to voting as town I have noticed, so I retract the early scum read. Would like to see more from BFG though, if she is town it will soon be apparent.

 

 

 Overall a very solid post - if there's anyone defending Thane that I can follow, it's AJ. I had similar thoughts on some things and disagree heavily on others, but one of the few posts this game that actually shows some sort of mindset. 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 12:42 AM, amegakure said:

what exactly is it about clarthe that bothers you. i dont have much of a history with him.. and the one game i did play he was just as mysterious as he is now. 

 

btw WIfum that was directed towards turin not ithi. since me not replying to ithi promptly was a scumtell for turin. surprise surpise. 

 

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 9:16 PM, Ithillian said:

Oh yes. I never said anything about him not being about much. I wonder why he said that I did.

Not many people have been about much hence ---> le weekend, but I don't mind. I don't think I've ever called anyone out for inactivity cos you know - people all play different and that's cool.

It's even in my rules when I host the odd game.

Yup ... feel free to camp away. I'm not going to stop you.

 

 

Amega potentially townspewing Clarthe again here.

 

 

So this caught my eye and it took me a bit, but I realized that early in this post Cory makes the claim that Clarthe's vote was #3 on Straw Hat's train, yet they were #1.  It seems like a pretty obvious mistake, but he goes on to make a case on Clarthe as town due to "Strawspewing" and the mispost of that train.

 

 

Cory then goes on to FOS the Sexy Sisters

 

defends Hallia

 

defends AJ

 

goes out of his way to cleave a link between Clarthe and JTAG

 

God I like your team this game.  Curious, you have done a no no here.  IIoA.  What the hell do you think of these acts?

 

I'm not sure what to make of this post. Can't tell if the first part is sarcastic, not sure what the no-no refers to/what lloA means.

[_CLOUD]

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:55 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:51 PM, Ithillian said:

You're not supposed to say that. It's in the Darthe's Great Big Little Book Of Things You Shouldn't Say In A Mafia Game.

 

or DGBLTOTYSSIAMG for short.

Can I get a copy of this?

 

 

They are 50 bucks per copy. Get one while they are still available.

[Leelou]

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:45 PM, Verbal32 said:

If I had to guess who pulled that trigger on the Executioner, I'd guess Clarthe.

 

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:49 PM, _CLOUD said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 6:40 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

I'm disliking Yolo more and more.

 

Is that it? I can't say I'm impressed with your "reads" on Cory and your case against Despo where you bring up two posts where Despo and Cory share the same opinion about something that is considered more as a way to play the game than anything else.

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 6:53 PM, Ithillian said:

Yes Hallia pushed it up to 4 votes @ 3.29 ... but Despo could have unvoted it back down to 3. Why didn't you mention that?

 

This is a logical fallacy because like Darthe explained it implies foresight of the event.

 

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 6:59 PM, Ithillian said:

@ Cloud ... Do you think Len sent in the action to force the Lynch?

 

Who do you think was Mafia on J-Tag's actual lynch train?

I don't know; It could have been anyone. His response to the Execution did stick out the most to me though.

 

This is another faulty argument. There doesn't have to be a mafia on J-TAG's train. If I had to guess however it would be Leelou because I'm the least sure about her.

 

 

How interesting. One gets the finger pointed at them and then another points a finger in my direction. I can't really assure you, but I'm not scum. 

[Darthe]

Iioa is information instead of analysis

[_CLOUD]

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:56 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:13 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 5:11 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 9:57 PM, corycurren said:

22-30 things get more interesting

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:48 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

*sigh* ok, i'll walk to my own cupboard then and steal my wife's chocolate. If i'm in trouble for that, i blame you Ithi...

 

 

Indeed, seeing we get voted as one, we should try to vote as one as well. Or maybe i'm just plain crazy to think like that....

 

 

*says Easy lynch, one more time...*

 

Turin, do you agree with me that Hallia/X are very, very likely town considering the way Thane spoke of them?

I honestly think there's nothing in the world more valuable to town than an inexperienced Mafioso getting lynched early - they say way more than they should and slip in subtle ways. I think Thane thoroughly spewed Hallia as town simply by saying something as innocuous ATM as "she is going for an easy lynch" - what do you think?

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:27 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:44 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:43 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

but.. i want chocolate...

 

And, true, i am indeed cautious. Personally, i'd like to discuss what Amega thinks to see if we're on the same line before giving out numbers and reads.

But these are YOUR thoughts and feelings.

Why would you need them checking?

You want to make sure all the numbers add up?

 

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:53 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

this would be a lot easier without the hydra thing....

 

*gets the feeling he is being trapped into making classic n00b mistakes*

 

oh.. and.. are you going to make a meme for everything?

 

 

Thane Vakarian is a sorry man, fights only to lose

Sells a thimble, quick and nimble, Chaelca turns him to booze

Thane oh Thane, his own hydras bane, found himself stuck to the roots

fell into Ithillians trap and now is left to this ruse

 

##Vote Thane

 

Darthe is hard to read. If Straw Hats were to start being bussed, it would be around vote ~4, and this was vote 3 on the train. Darthe may be being earnest here, but I can't say for certain. I might dream about this post - I will hope for divine intervention

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:34 PM, TinaHel said:

Leelou has problem getting on. Her internet isn´t working all the time. 

 

We had a short talk earlier. Our reads doesn´t match very good. Leelou´s vote on Wifom was based on Des´s case since she agreed with him. 

 

I´m very unsure about Wifum. Turin´s "case" on Verbal was very Des like. Taking anything and making up a case around it. And then never letting it go. It´s clear that Ithi and Turin misunderstood Lily but if it was on purpose or not I don´t know. That is the scummy parts. At the same time, Ithi is behaving like town Ithi. Not that I remember playing with mafia Ithi in a very long time but this is how she played in Darthe´s game. I thought that she might on to something with Straw Hats and Evil Siblings but... so yeh, can´t say town or mafia. 

 

I´m not fond of Straw Hat´s game. In short - following others, ,fencesitting, the Hally/Lily mix up. 

 

Actually, I find this hydra thing very hard. Not just because Leelou and I have different reads and that we haven´t been able to communicate much due to internet problems, but also because I can get different feelings from the different hydra heads. 

 

For now. 

 

 

## Vote Straw Hats

 

 

I´ll see what Leelou has to say when she gets back on. She is clearly the better player so I rely on her reads.

 

Vote four, potential bus vote. Dislike the notion that Tina wants to leave up to Lee because she's "clearly the better player" - looks more of an excuse to back out. Scum seemed to have a plan to get SH out of this mess with a roleclaim, have to begin wondering when it was set in motion.

 

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:58 PM, Chaelca said:

Vote Count - 1.10

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

YoloHashSwag (1) - J-TAG

Clarthe (1) - Spliffanity

Straw Hats (4) - Clarthe, HaXorz, WIFUM, SexySisters

WiFuM (2) - YoloHashSwag, CRUNK

HaXorz (1) - Evil Siblings

RTL (1) - Straw Hats

Sexy Sisters (2) - PFG, RTL

 

not voting : -

Deadline: Deadline-D1

 

We're at four, so this is now a real train. HaXorz and WIFUM in particular look good on this train.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:13 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

RTE's post was very fence sitting. I'll let Jack explain any thoughts he might want to share, but we both think RTE is scummy.

 

##voteRTL

 

Potential attempt to disrail train from ES, targetted at RTE.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:43 PM, amegakure said:

ithi is wrong. I make silly mistakes in almost every game that make me look like scum. The fact that you have no way of knowing my mafia meta since i havent been mafia since my dm return is troubling. Also camping on the thread over the weekend while my life keeps me occupied isnt exactly scum hunting. I reply to question when i have the time and or sobriety.. 

 

Also whats wrong with thane asking my opinion. didnt you just try to call us out for having differing opinions on teams. It's a never ending battle with you guys

 

des/verb seem distant not much swag coming from that direction but got a town lean.

 

Ithi/turin. Are aggravating but also more of the most active players.

 

Jack/lily havent seen much from these guys besides a response to wifum. seems like there isnt much conviction there. 

 

Clarthe. watching the show from the sidelines. 

 

rte got a scum read on them. 

 

pfg...null havent seen much play

 

leelou. is null as well. 

 

Bolds again, similar players. The read on Leelou in particular is alarming, as Amega ignores Tina (Leelou "clearly being the better player" in Tina's words), who just voted Amega.

 

Could very well be one of those accidentally-ignore-a-scummate-trying-to-towncred blusters.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:51 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:41 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:33 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

I hate the "Vote now and explain later/let someone else explain/I can't explain my change of vote/I want someone else to do it/don't ask me questions plz" attitude.

 

Still think her interaction with you looked town but this didn't.

You're not really making sense right now.

You went from Town to Mafia in an instant. Lily did that yesterday too. Neither sit well with me - but maybe you just being reactionary?

What do you honestly think about Jack and Lily? If you think they Town then they voting you for what they think are legit reasons, right?

What do you think about Thane and thingummy really? Why do you think they are going to get Lynched - but have a null read on them?

 

That was reactionary. I'm fine with saying my Day 1 reads can change, especially they little they are based on. Some are more solid than others but like any read interactions will change them. I don't know what to think about Jack really. I don't know how he usually plays, but it appears it might be with a chip on his shoulder. He still hasn't come in and done any explaining like Lily said he would. I really dislike overconfident players unless their play backs it up (basically almost only Ishy).

People need to be held accountable for votes without explanation, especially if they are town because that hurts us more. I think based on the interaction with you Lily looked town. Therefore to me that balances out to a town read. Not the strongest town read in the world but a town read. If they are town then they should not only share their reasons for voting but their read of the hydras as well.

 

Saying I thought strawhats would be lynched is your interpretation of what I wrote. Everyone in this game can be lynched. Therefore it is possible we will have a flip on anyone. I said the fact that I believe in their reads they only gave a town read to PFG is interesting and that if we knew their alignment their reads list (and this one specifically) would be informative. That's why reads are important. I don't need to explain that to you.

 

I'm going on an fMRI course this week so I wanted to contribute today when I had a bit more time to go through the thread than I will for this week. I will still be around and expect to be active and contributing nonetheless.

 

Man, this reaction looks awful. Incredible over-explanation of a simple idea, assessing and promising activity, etc. etc.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:59 PM, Jack_D said:

Rte. you and Strawhats, and Hallia's team are my 1, 2 and 3 for scum

I can back my play and I usually do. Like I said your apparent over knowledge of me seemed like a slip.

Ithi commented that I nudged expertly. That would of been the only comment and how good I'd be as scum.

I don't see the apparent need for us to repost a list of players and what they've done that we find scummy or not. It's cliche and it's been done a bunch already. When I have something new to add or something I think I've figured out ill say it. But as of right now. Lily and myself have voted and we've given the reason behind the votes.

Your reactionary squirming was very reaffirming to me.

However I will ask you.

Hallia's comment about town vs town. How'd that read to you? I've been emphatic as to what my opinion was. I'd like to hear yours.

 

StrawHats as a scumread, does not really follow up in any way, wants to pursue Hallia (who is voting StrawHats). Combats RTE to some extent. A little overly deliberate, nothing that rules out scum-scum pushing.

 

 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 12:22 AM, Andrej said:

Confrontational Darthe is confrontational.

 

Still down for those dak pics? lol

 

I have a question for you Darthe. Could you explain your linking scenario a little more for me? You're voting Straw Hats, I believe... but also putting down RTE's reads post as a psy-scum tell.

 

Therefore you think Straw Hats is scum as well as RTL.

 

RTL is now voting Straw Hats.

 

Does this disrupt your scenario in any way?

 

How does me pointing out your statement towards RTE make me scum with Straw Hats (if they are scum) and RTL more likely to be town?

 

AJ/Darthe not scum-scum 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 12:36 AM, Andrej said:

The Ithurin/Lilack back and forth is a bit tiring. Leaning town for WiFuM, judgement reserved for the Evil Sibs. I always read Jack as scum in the two games I've played with him, and he was town in both. Don't wanna repeat that Call of Cthulhu game lol

 

I think Len redeemed his slot a bit with that catch-up post.

 

I don't find Amega/Thane overly scummy for any reason. Thane's post read more newbish to me, and I doubt he would be so freely joking around on thread if he had an internalized guilt. I actually liked Amega's post early on where he is pointing out Turin's instant scumread on Verbothera, which we can all expect as mandatory at this point.

 

Think Hallia's vote on Straw Hats was a bit scummy.

 

Clarthe is looking worse to me.

 

Not too sure about Krap (Spliffanity). I think Dap invests a little too much on reactions. Some players are more reactionary than others, it doesn't make them bad. I don't find it weird or suspect that Cloud asked for specific reasons since Leelou had put her vote on them multiple times.

 

Don't like how the #Yoloboys have dropped off the face of the game. Despo's entrance and early game buddying to Cory/Monk was pretty gross. Definitely not good vibes from their sort, I think they'll make the best lynch of all today.

 

Sort of suspect of the SS girls. Someone pointed out earlier (Jack maybe?) that their little dispute about who to vote allows them to play both sides of the fence. Leelou has reason for not being active but Tina's sniping post earlier gives me bad juju. I'd like to see more from her when/if she catches up and posts again.

 

Pral's game entrance gave me bad juju as well but I like how he is pushing the SS girls. He is usually an outlier when it comes to voting as town I have noticed, so I retract the early scum read. Would like to see more from BFG though, if she is town it will soon be apparent.

 

 Overall a very solid post - if there's anyone defending Thane that I can follow, it's AJ. I had similar thoughts on some things and disagree heavily on others, but one of the few posts this game that actually shows some sort of mindset. 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 12:42 AM, amegakure said:

what exactly is it about clarthe that bothers you. i dont have much of a history with him.. and the one game i did play he was just as mysterious as he is now. 

 

btw WIfum that was directed towards turin not ithi. since me not replying to ithi promptly was a scumtell for turin. surprise surpise. 

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 9:16 PM, Ithillian said:

Oh yes. I never said anything about him not being about much. I wonder why he said that I did.

Not many people have been about much hence ---> le weekend, but I don't mind. I don't think I've ever called anyone out for inactivity cos you know - people all play different and that's cool.

It's even in my rules when I host the odd game.

Yup ... feel free to camp away. I'm not going to stop you.

 

Amega potentially townspewing Clarthe again here.

 

 

So this caught my eye and it took me a bit, but I realized that early in this post Cory makes the claim that Clarthe's vote was #3 on Straw Hat's train, yet they were #1.  It seems like a pretty obvious mistake, but he goes on to make a case on Clarthe as town due to "Strawspewing" and the mispost of that train.

 

 

Cory then goes on to FOS the Sexy Sisters

 

defends Hallia

 

defends AJ

 

goes out of his way to cleave a link between Clarthe and JTAG

 

God I like your team this game.  Curious, you have done a no no here.  IIoA.  What the hell do you think of these acts?

 

I'm not sure what to make of this post. Can't tell if the first part is sarcastic, not sure what the no-no refers to/what lloA means.

 

 

Information Instead of Analysis.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Well it's just not fair that Verbal can mention it but I can't.

 

I think you're being a meany head.

 

But I do need to go find the apples on minion rush for my eldest so he can open a prize pod - so I'll let you grown ups continue with the cocktail party whilst I go play in my room.

[Darthe]

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:57 PM, _CLOUD said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:55 PM, Lenlo said:

 

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:51 PM, Ithillian said:

 

You're not supposed to say that. It's in the Darthe's Great Big Little Book Of Things You Shouldn't Say In A Mafia Game.

 

or DGBLTOTYSSIAMG for short.

Can I get a copy of this?

They are 50 bucks per copy. Get one while they are still available.

You cheeky bastard! Dont undercut my market.

 

Theyre 60 Len, unless you want hardback.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:55 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:51 PM, Ithillian said:

You're not supposed to say that. It's in the Darthe's Great Big Little Book Of Things You Shouldn't Say In A Mafia Game.

 

or DGBLTOTYSSIAMG for short.

Can I get a copy of this?

 

You see! NOT sarcastic. You'd make millions.

[Krakalakachkn]

So sarcasm. Got it.

 

 

I'll let you know when I get there.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:57 PM, _CLOUD said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:55 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 7:51 PM, Ithillian said:

You're not supposed to say that. It's in the Darthe's Great Big Little Book Of Things You Shouldn't Say In A Mafia Game.

 

or DGBLTOTYSSIAMG for short.

Can I get a copy of this?

 

 

They are 50 bucks per copy. Get one while they are still available.

 

You should keep your copy Cloud. Get it signed maybe.