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  On 4/1/2014 at 2:04 AM, corycurren said:

Notice how Jack_D is not being particularly confrontational at accusations; he is instead deflecting, making small FOSes and being incredibly passive-aggressive towards accusers, doing little tricks like language-flips and black-white wrong-right statements.

 

He seems to be saying that he believes people pursuing Amega (Lenlo and Darthe are the biggest people so far, I'd say) are our best scum leads, but is more concerned with his small attacks on accusers than pursuing his scum leads.

Notice how you do the same things you accuse me of doing?

 

And passive aggressive? First I was overly confrontational now passive aggressive. Please stick with a single profile.

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  On 4/1/2014 at 2:00 AM, corycurren said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:58 AM, Jack_D said:

 

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:56 AM, corycurren said:

You understand that Lock Clear is meant as TONGUE-IN-CHEEK, right? It's just a trope-y way of saying someone made a post you thought was villagery.

 

I've explained this several times, and it's gotten sort of grating. Yes, I have a lot of lingo from 2+2, WF, etc.

 

I was invited to this board, I was invited to this game. I am going to play the way I always play - which has gotten favorable enough reviews to get me Champions game invites and a great deal of satisfactory wins.

I'm not going to change because you don't like my modus operandi. I do what works.

Not fun explaining things over and over is it? Like with my #11 vote.

I don't care about your explanation, I care about your tone, reaction and sensitivity to the issue as it pertains to the game.

 

I am playing Mafia - what are you playing?

Soy words speak to you? You can hear them? I d

Posted
  On 4/1/2014 at 2:06 AM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:59 AM, corycurren said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:55 AM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:49 AM, corycurren said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:45 AM, Jack_D said:

No I didn't relent. He was on top of my scum list until he claimed tracker. His squirming and general behavior was indicative of scum. However my role being body Gaurd, and theirs being tracker seemed to fit so I believed it.

 

That's the second time I've corrected you about verb.

Show me the first time.

 

Player is irrelevant in this case, though you seem to be saying you didn't say his OMGUS was scummy and now you're saying you did and you didn't relent and I really just can't follow your narrative at all.

 

You don't seem to actually have a firm belief in anything regarding your early behavior at this point.

Here is the sequence of events. What's throwing a wrench in is when you keep interjecting verbal or incorrect tellings of the way things happened.

 

1. We voted #11 which happened to be straw hats

 

2. Thane voted us. I asked him why and he responded cause we needed a place to vote.

 

3. I responded. Jumpy omgus vote. Noted.

 

4. People said I was reaching.

 

5. Pushed a little harder at thane. He appeared to be squirming. Solidifying what I thought at that time to be the behavior of a mafioso.

 

6. I continue to either vote straw hats or post my suspicions of them.

 

7. I push them to reveal at L-2 they don't so I vote them

 

8. They reveal as tracker.

 

9 I unvote to take them from range of a ninja hammer as I was going to bed.

 

10. I'm taking them at their word as their type of role fits mine. (Not your standard cop or doc) so I have evidence from the mod to do so.

 

That's the whole reaction. I'm not sure what your reaching for

Thane seems like a new player from his overall behavior (or at least someone with very little overall experience) - his early posts certainly were pingy, but I know I hit pings on newer players that aren't there. So squirming under pressure you are defining as a concrete scumtell? Yet you have been talking circles with light pressure and overreacted greatly to people critique your early meta vote. These don't compromise in my head; and your actions around their lynch were incredibly deliberate - do you think that your threat to hammer, force of a claim and then unvote were alignment indicative? Do you think only a townie would do something like that?

1. I don't care if people vote me. I did have issue with you still licking your chops to lynch me after my claim. In fact I haven't responded much to your cases today. So that's an over exaggeration at it's best

 

2. If talking in circles are bad. You enjoy doing it. So are you bad?

 

3. So me asking for a reveal and not getting it then moving further to place my vote there on one of my top 3 scum reads were to deliberate. However you setting up this lynch (lily and myself) then saying your going for Ithi and Turin next game day phase no matter what (there interplay could of been legit scum hunting or scum distancing) that seems deliberate.

 

4. Do you think going after a claimed protective isn't scum behavior in the least.

 

 

Y

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 2:07 AM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 2:04 AM, corycurren said:

Notice how Jack_D is not being particularly confrontational at accusations; he is instead deflecting, making small FOSes and being incredibly passive-aggressive towards accusers, doing little tricks like language-flips and black-white wrong-right statements.

 

He seems to be saying that he believes people pursuing Amega (Lenlo and Darthe are the biggest people so far, I'd say) are our best scum leads, but is more concerned with his small attacks on accusers than pursuing his scum leads.

Notice how you do the same things you accuse me of doing?

 

And passive aggressive? First I was overly confrontational now passive aggressive. Please stick with a single profile.

 

 

When did I say I was overly confrontational? The second time I've asked you to back up a statement you've made with a quote - let me know.

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  On 4/1/2014 at 2:00 AM, corycurren said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:58 AM, Jack_D said:

 

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:56 AM, corycurren said:

You understand that Lock Clear is meant as TONGUE-IN-CHEEK, right? It's just a trope-y way of saying someone made a post you thought was villagery.

 

I've explained this several times, and it's gotten sort of grating. Yes, I have a lot of lingo from 2+2, WF, etc.

 

I was invited to this board, I was invited to this game. I am going to play the way I always play - which has gotten favorable enough reviews to get me Champions game invites and a great deal of satisfactory wins.

I'm not going to change because you don't like my modus operandi. I do what works.

Not fun explaining things over and over is it? Like with my #11 vote.

I don't care about your explanation, I care about your tone, reaction and sensitivity to the issue as it pertains to the game.

 

I am playing Mafia - what are you playing?

Soy words speak to you? You can hear them? I wasn't aware dm came with an audio version

Posted
  On 4/1/2014 at 2:06 AM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:59 AM, corycurren said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:55 AM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:49 AM, corycurren said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:45 AM, Jack_D said:

No I didn't relent. He was on top of my scum list until he claimed tracker. His squirming and general behavior was indicative of scum. However my role being body Gaurd, and theirs being tracker seemed to fit so I believed it.

 

That's the second time I've corrected you about verb.

Show me the first time.

 

Player is irrelevant in this case, though you seem to be saying you didn't say his OMGUS was scummy and now you're saying you did and you didn't relent and I really just can't follow your narrative at all.

 

You don't seem to actually have a firm belief in anything regarding your early behavior at this point.

Here is the sequence of events. What's throwing a wrench in is when you keep interjecting verbal or incorrect tellings of the way things happened.

 

1. We voted #11 which happened to be straw hats

 

2. Thane voted us. I asked him why and he responded cause we needed a place to vote.

 

3. I responded. Jumpy omgus vote. Noted.

 

4. People said I was reaching.

 

5. Pushed a little harder at thane. He appeared to be squirming. Solidifying what I thought at that time to be the behavior of a mafioso.

 

6. I continue to either vote straw hats or post my suspicions of them.

 

7. I push them to reveal at L-2 they don't so I vote them

 

8. They reveal as tracker.

 

9 I unvote to take them from range of a ninja hammer as I was going to bed.

 

10. I'm taking them at their word as their type of role fits mine. (Not your standard cop or doc) so I have evidence from the mod to do so.

 

That's the whole reaction. I'm not sure what your reaching for

Thane seems like a new player from his overall behavior (or at least someone with very little overall experience) - his early posts certainly were pingy, but I know I hit pings on newer players that aren't there. So squirming under pressure you are defining as a concrete scumtell? Yet you have been talking circles with light pressure and overreacted greatly to people critique your early meta vote. These don't compromise in my head; and your actions around their lynch were incredibly deliberate - do you think that your threat to hammer, force of a claim and then unvote were alignment indicative? Do you think only a townie would do something like that?

1. I don't care if people vote me. I did have issue with you still licking your chops to lynch me after my claim. In fact I haven't responded much to your cases today. So that's an over exaggeration at it's best

 

2. If talking in circles are bad. You enjoy doing it. So are you bad?

 

3. So me asking for a reveal and not getting it then moving further to place my vote there on one of my top 3 scum reads were to deliberate. However you setting up this lynch (lily and myself) then saying your going for Ithi and Turin next game day phase no matter what (there interplay could of been legit scum hunting or scum distancing) that seems deliberate.

 

4. Do you think going after a claimed protective isn't scum behavior in the least.

 

 

1. You do care if people critique your game, though. Do you think I'm wrong or scum?

 

2. I can follow my own narrative ^.^ I'm sure several other people can as well.

 

3. Show me where I said I was going for WIFUM "no matter what" next phase  :blink:

 

Words are not licorice, you cannot twist them and expect people to buy.

 

4. I'm pretty durn confident you're scum, so I'm going after you regardless ^.^ player > role, threadplay > claims

 

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 2:08 AM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 2:00 AM, corycurren said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:58 AM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:56 AM, corycurren said:

You understand that Lock Clear is meant as TONGUE-IN-CHEEK, right? It's just a trope-y way of saying someone made a post you thought was villagery.

 

I've explained this several times, and it's gotten sort of grating. Yes, I have a lot of lingo from 2+2, WF, etc.

 

I was invited to this board, I was invited to this game. I am going to play the way I always play - which has gotten favorable enough reviews to get me Champions game invites and a great deal of satisfactory wins.

I'm not going to change because you don't like my modus operandi. I do what works.

Not fun explaining things over and over is it? Like with my #11 vote.

I don't care about your explanation, I care about your tone, reaction and sensitivity to the issue as it pertains to the game.

 

I am playing Mafia - what are you playing?

Soy words speak to you? You can hear them? I d

 

 

Mafia is a game of words. I make do with what I have - the thread is our holy text and will tell us what is what and who is who  :cool:

Posted
  On 4/1/2014 at 2:08 AM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 2:00 AM, corycurren said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:58 AM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:56 AM, corycurren said:

You understand that Lock Clear is meant as TONGUE-IN-CHEEK, right? It's just a trope-y way of saying someone made a post you thought was villagery.

 

I've explained this several times, and it's gotten sort of grating. Yes, I have a lot of lingo from 2+2, WF, etc.

 

I was invited to this board, I was invited to this game. I am going to play the way I always play - which has gotten favorable enough reviews to get me Champions game invites and a great deal of satisfactory wins.

I'm not going to change because you don't like my modus operandi. I do what works.

Not fun explaining things over and over is it? Like with my #11 vote.

I don't care about your explanation, I care about your tone, reaction and sensitivity to the issue as it pertains to the game.

 

I am playing Mafia - what are you playing?

Soy words speak to you? You can hear them? I wasn't aware dm came with an audio version

 

 

Is this a real comment or are you just lolcatting now?

Posted
  On 4/1/2014 at 2:07 AM, corycurren said:

It's time to decide, Jack: do you think I'm wrong or do you think I'm scum?

Such an ultimatum. Lolz

 

I have my vote on you don't I?

Posted
  On 4/1/2014 at 2:14 AM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 2:07 AM, corycurren said:

It's time to decide, Jack: do you think I'm wrong or do you think I'm scum?

Such an ultimatum. Lolz

 

I have my vote on you don't I?

 

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 2:14 AM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 2:07 AM, corycurren said:

It's time to decide, Jack: do you think I'm wrong or do you think I'm scum?

Such an ultimatum. Lolz

 

I have my vote on you don't I?

 

 

Yet you believe the people most suspicious are those pursuing Amega - specifically Lenlo and Darthe (though you seem to be unaware that Darthe was the one that said to ignore Amega's claim).

 

Cool story!

Posted

The difference between me, Darthe and Lenlo to you?

I'm the one getting @ you.

The people that you're "supposed to be suspicious of" according to your "scumtells" can wait for the people who are aggressively calling you out for your behavior.

 

:rolleyes:

Posted
  On 4/1/2014 at 1:21 AM, corycurren said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:19 AM, Lenlo said:

Best lynch today? No probably not. Most likely lynch that I would accept today? Yup. 

 

For Ithi and Turin thats par for the course imo and I really think the violence with Des/Verb is town on town.

 

 

I'm waiting on the Jack flip ATM, as there was a blow-up between ES and WiFuM around page 20 that could have either been serial bussing or legit hunting. Would need to reread more thoroughly. Thought it was a little forced at the time, but I can't really analyze that heavily @ work and I don't have time to reread the thread ATM ^.^

Look there

 

And mafia is a game of words it's not licorice you can't twist it. What does that look like to you

Posted

You're saying I'm 100% pursuing WiFuM and point to a post where I say there's an interaction that should be looked at thoroughly?

How does that many ANY sense?

Posted
  On 4/1/2014 at 2:17 AM, corycurren said:

Jack, how do you feel about Turin? Town, scum, null?

I have town vibes on

 

Tina/Leelou

Ameg/Thane

 

Leaning scum

 

Rte/Lenlo

Corey your team

Hallia/x

 

The rest are nulls ATM.

 

Anyone going after a role claim, without a counter I have slight pings on. I'll have to go read back on Darthe myself, I must of missed it but I'll check on my computer. I haven't read his posts closely. And of course I'm gunna analyze those analyzing me. Not sure why you find that odd.

Posted
  On 4/1/2014 at 1:29 AM, corycurren said:

And yes, I would say that after we lynch my #1 scumread I would like to look into my #2 scumread.

 

^ scummy behavior

Posted
  On 3/31/2014 at 5:28 AM, Darthe said:

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 2:57 AM, amegakure said:

yep yep aj must be mafia.. who would want to stop a towny from being lynched... like omg guys

 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 2:59 AM, Jack_D said:

##Vote Ameg

 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 3:13 AM, amegakure said:

im the tracker. slow your boat!

 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 3:15 AM, Jack_D said:

##unvote

 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 3:15 AM, Jack_D said:

Night all.

 

I almost can't believe that Jack would do this.

Fakest interaction of the game.  No way in hell is Amega tracker.  Lynch anytime folks.

 

 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 5:29 AM, Turin Turambar said:

he might well be a tracker, just not likely a town tracker.

 

^

 

probably important to your narrative

 

good luck, i'm sure we'll chat tomorrow  :wink:

Posted

K so darthe is pushing at a claimed investigative role. Like I said a ping. Turin pushing the angle that he may be scum again that's a ping. Like I said. that's grounds to dog deeper.

 

The top of my scum list however contains those that have done that + or just stuff I don't think is pro town

 

Hallia the town vs town thing. It really didn't sit well with me.

 

Lenlo, my perceived defending of verb/Despo, also taking the mantra of town vs town

 

You, pushing my for things you continue to do. Voting a claimed healer role. Also saying you found half of the tracker claim

Team to be scum which as I see it is still keeping them on your back burner to push.

 

See all more then just the one thing. That thing is just icing on the cake.

 

But like I said. I'm not gunna change your mind. You aren't going to change mine. You continue to accuse me of things you blatantly do and I've pointed them out. You have also continued to completely change events. Throwing in verb, continuing to push darthe angle etc. And talking in circles and cluttering up game thread. I think deadline is in about 12 hours.

 

Do you have any body else you'd nominate for a lynch?

Posted
  On 4/1/2014 at 1:56 AM, corycurren said:

You understand that Lock Clear is meant as TONGUE-IN-CHEEK, right? It's just a trope-y way of saying someone made a post you thought was villagery.

 

I've explained this several times, and it's gotten sort of grating. Yes, I have a lot of lingo from 2+2, WF, etc.

 

I was invited to this board, I was invited to this game. I am going to play the way I always play - which has gotten favorable enough reviews to get me Champions game invites and a great deal of satisfactory wins.

I'm not going to change because you don't like my modus operandi. I do what works.

You say it is tongue in cheek but your actions in game do not match that storyline.  And you are not using it as a +1 or QFT. you are taking it several steps beyond that.

 

I don't want your resume. You hold a bit too much stock in that entire "champions game" invite IMO. I ain't a mafia champion but I can play a little too.  

 

 

Play how you want to play but don't expect everyone to let you go because it is the way you want to play .everything on thread is part of the game. your bluster is your weakness. 

 

Oh BTW check out post 675 for the ease of handing out the lock clears, and see how they match up with his reads on those players. Whatever.  

Posted

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 2:33 AM, Jack_D said:

You, pushing my for things you continue to do. Voting a claimed healer role. Also saying you found half of the tracker claim
Team to be scum which as I see it is still keeping them on your back burner to push.
 

  

So you're FOSing me because I thought Thane's early posts were scummy, but gave the group the benefit of the doubt after Amega popped in and claimed.

 

You must clearly feel different than I do about this matter.
 

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:55 AM, Jack_D said:
  On 4/1/2014 at 1:49 AM, corycurren said:
  On 4/1/2014 at 1:45 AM, Jack_D said:

No I didn't relent. He was on top of my scum list until he claimed tracker. His squirming and general behavior was indicative of scum. However my role being body Gaurd, and theirs being tracker seemed to fit so I believed it.

That's the second time I've corrected you about verb.


Show me the first time.

Player is irrelevant in this case, though you seem to be saying you didn't say his OMGUS was scummy and now you're saying you did and you didn't relent and I really just can't follow your narrative at all.

You don't seem to actually have a firm belief in anything regarding your early behavior at this point.



Here is the sequence of events. What's throwing a wrench in is when you keep interjecting verbal or incorrect tellings of the way things happened.

1. We voted #11 which happened to be straw hats

2. Thane voted us. I asked him why and he responded cause we needed a place to vote.

3. I responded. Jumpy omgus vote. Noted.

4. People said I was reaching.

5. Pushed a little harder at thane. He appeared to be squirming. Solidifying what I thought at that time to be the behavior of a mafioso.

6. I continue to either vote straw hats or post my suspicions of them.

7. I push them to reveal at L-2 they don't so I vote them

8. They reveal as tracker.

9 I unvote to take them from range of a ninja hammer as I was going to bed.


10. I'm taking them at their word as their type of role fits mine. (Not your standard cop or doc) so I have evidence from the mod to do so.

That's the whole reaction. I'm not sure what your reaching for

 

 

 

lol.gif

 

Posted
  On 4/1/2014 at 2:40 AM, Turin Turambar said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:56 AM, corycurren said:

You understand that Lock Clear is meant as TONGUE-IN-CHEEK, right? It's just a trope-y way of saying someone made a post you thought was villagery.

 

I've explained this several times, and it's gotten sort of grating. Yes, I have a lot of lingo from 2+2, WF, etc.

 

I was invited to this board, I was invited to this game. I am going to play the way I always play - which has gotten favorable enough reviews to get me Champions game invites and a great deal of satisfactory wins.

I'm not going to change because you don't like my modus operandi. I do what works.

You say it is tongue in cheek but your actions in game do not match that storyline.  And you are not using it as a +1 or QFT. you are taking it several steps beyond that.

 

I don't want your resume. You hold a bit too much stock in that entire "champions game" invite IMO. I ain't a mafia champion but I can play a little too.  

 

 

Play how you want to play but don't expect everyone to let you go because it is the way you want to play .everything on thread is part of the game. your bluster is your weakness. 

 

Oh BTW check out post 675 for the ease of handing out the lock clears, and see how they match up with his reads on those players. Whatever.  

 

 

I don't believe in the Mafia Champions myself (I didn't play because I'm not a Mafia clique dude), but I've had enough positive reinforcement for my play (I have been playing Mafia for five years) to not doubt myself because you think I don't play correctly.

 

Since when did I expect people to "let me go"? I'm simply arguing a misconception.

 

And yes, when I say "Lock Clear" it's my tongue-in-cheek way of saying I think a post is villagery, which is, WHADDAYA KNOW, what I said in the box you quoted.

 

So yes, if you look at my townreads and see people who I'VE POINTED OUT AS MAKING VILLAGERY POSTS AS TOWN, WHADDAYA KNOW THERE THEY EFFING ARE

Posted

If I thought Despot was scum, would I go @ him? Of course I would.

 

Shouldn't this have been put to rest in Star Wars, where I went all out @ Tom to get him lynched as last Mafioso?

Basel admitted he had misconceived the situation.

 

That's about as final as I can put it.

Posted
  On 4/1/2014 at 2:07 AM, corycurren said:

It's time to decide, Jack: do you think I'm wrong or do you think I'm scum?

 

I think you are Mafia pushing an agenda. I also think you are trying to save your teammates Amega and Thane. That you probably coached him up some in order to get his post to look a little bit more town. Not too much cause you don't want to get the coaching argument brought in. Your entire "narrative" regarding how bad Straw Hats were early didn't acknowledge the fact that Thane was pretty new even though he himself frequently made reference to his noodness. That you are finally getting a round to using that in his defense doesn't ring true. 

Further in a huuge portion of your argument you are making the bussing argument in order to pressure people but then you flip your POV on Thane/Amega to that they are null? so If they aren't mafia then how is everyone bussing them? Are you going to flip it to them being an "easy lynch" now? Like Verbal and Despo, Two Champions (a pair of aces by your vernacular I would guess) are an easy lynch for a joke made in the sign up thread before anyone had roles? Yeeeaahh Riiiiiiight.

 

Also I am standing by my thoughts that Jack/Lily being BG makes some sense to me and that if Amega/Thane are a tracker that they would more likely be mafia than town.

Posted
  On 4/1/2014 at 1:59 AM, Jack_D said:

Seems your getting snipey but you'd never do that. Cause that's what you accused me of

Ironic

Posted
  On 3/30/2014 at 7:43 PM, Ithillian said:

Extra re-inforcement lol.

 

Darthe definitely wants to vote the Hats.

 

RTE doesn't. Him say this about them 'Straw Hats (Amega, Thane) - Haven't liked Amega's play really thus far. Not a lot of content behind his posts or his votes. Thane has given us a lot more to work with. His list is a little less decisive than I would have liked but it's tough with activity being what it is the last couple of days. His somewhat exclusive town lean on PFG is interesting. Something to bear in mind if we get a flip on either of them. Only other hydra other than their own they seemed to believe was town. Going with a null read right now.'

 

Null. But thinks they'll get Lynched.

 

 

Doesn't want to take a stand lol. Doesn't want to be involved. Will probably vote them to consolidate near the end.

 

I don't remember why I decided to multiquote this, but I'm going to leave it here in case I remember later.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:31 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  Quote

**Can't multi quote but this is from RTE's previous list of reads on the page before this one**:

 

Evil Siblings (Lily, Jack) - Lily is another one I struggle with. She didn't react great to Ithi pressure but I wouldn't have reacted very differently to be honest. Not sure what to make of Jack. Supposed to be some mafia pro but haven't really seen it yet. If anything I think the interaction with Ithi and Turin makes Lily town. She was frustrated rather than angry, and that's understandable when you're town with Ithi breathing down your neck. I'm going with a town read

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:21 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:13 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

RTE's post was very fence sitting. I'll let Jack explain any thoughts he might want to share, but we both think RTE is scummy.

 

##voteRTL

 

Translation: We are both active on the QT but are not ready to post yet. Jack is going to come up with a better case on why we think RTE is scummy since I can't do it myself. Waiting for my teammates to deliberate before ever decide to give any reads. Will lurk now bye.

 

 

Quite a turn around of opinions there I think.

 

1. Lily is Town cos Ithi is Mean

2. Lily votes RTE.

3. Lily is Mafia cos Lily voted RTE.

 

 

Yeah that was a pretty quick flip.  Reads as flinging mud.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 8:39 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:34 PM, TinaHel said:

Leelou has problem getting on. Her internet isn´t working all the time. 

 

We had a short talk earlier. Our reads doesn´t match very good. Leelou´s vote on Wifom was based on Des´s case since she agreed with him. 

 

 

It is ironic that you vote for fencesitting but you are also doing kind of the same thing - a hydra fencesitting. You are trying to play it safe by saying that your reads doesn't match with each other, which opens up an option to vote either side the way the game swings. Essentially, this is the second time you have voted the leading train with the pretext of internal disagreement. 

 

 

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on this post.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 9:55 PM, Ithillian said:

I dunno. Len's post was good and read really honest to me. He's in the same team as RTE ... and RTE was being really reactionary.

 

Would Mafia get all huffy and hurt by a vote or would they try and shrug it off?

 

I don't think they have enough votes to be worried about them as yet.

 

Whereas Thane and Ameg have both made dodgy posts.

 

You can't really say you have a read on just one person anymore. Is an interesting thing to try and absorb that into my game holding.

 

@Bold - what's your point?  Doesn't matter if it reads honest, but I'm interested in why you're giving him an easy out?

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  On 4/1/2014 at 2:51 AM, Turin Turambar said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 2:07 AM, corycurren said:

It's time to decide, Jack: do you think I'm wrong or do you think I'm scum?

 

I think you are Mafia pushing an agenda. I also think you are trying to save your teammates Amega and Thane. That you probably coached him up some in order to get his post to look a little bit more town. Not too much cause you don't want to get the coaching argument brought in. Your entire "narrative" regarding how bad Straw Hats were early didn't acknowledge the fact that Thane was pretty new even though he himself frequently made reference to his noodness. That you are finally getting a round to using that in his defense doesn't ring true. 

Further in a huuge portion of your argument you are making the bussing argument in order to pressure people but then you flip your POV on Thane/Amega to that they are null? so If they aren't mafia then how is everyone bussing them? Are you going to flip it to them being an "easy lynch" now? Like Verbal and Despo, Two Champions (a pair of aces by your vernacular I would guess) are an easy lynch for a joke made in the sign up thread before anyone had roles? Yeeeaahh Riiiiiiight.

 

Also I am standing by my thoughts that Jack/Lily being BG makes some sense to me and that if Amega/Thane are a tracker that they would more likely be mafia than town.

 

 

I'm pushing Jack right now for the reasons I've stated in the last ~6 pages. Are you defending him?

 

My reads are obviously permeable. My early reads on Thane could very well have been wrong, but most of what I saw Thane doing was defending Lee/Tina, so that didn't really effect my later reads. They're all null for a reason.

 

Your argument about coaching is circumstantial and I expect better. I also said I would reread several interactions, but it's a big thread. Jack is my focus. Are you saying it is a scumtell to have reads that change as new information comes forth?

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