[Advanced] House MD Mafia - Mafia Victory!

[Tyler Glembo]

Voting no lynch will only make me go away. It'll make it easier for the mafia to win because there is one less town vote. No lynch is a stupid, stupid idea.

 

 

I'm with you there Mish.  There is no gain I think.  Some argue that there's more time, but unless activity picks up, it doesn't seem like time is what we need.  We need to make a decision and run with it.

 

Ugh, I wish you two had just gone along with me.

 

Let me explain my reasoning.  I'm doc.  I got blocked last night during the BFG kill.  I wasn't sure if scum actually knew that I was doc or was just luckily roleblocking and got me.  That being said, I wanted to No Lynch to try and find out if I would get blocked trying to protect Mish tonight.  If the protect went through it would throw the scum team for a loop and they would have to try and kill someone else again.  If I got blocked then I'd vote peace.  Why?  Because me getting blocked again would mean scum team actually knows I'm doc.  And who is the one person who had completely changed their views on me between yesterday and today?  Peace.  Indicating to me that Peace is trying to buddy me and knows my alignment.

 

I'm revealing now because I don't think it would have made any difference and everybody is set on a lynch anyways.  If I did manage to protect Mish tonight after we voted NL, then mafia would have realized that their kill on BFG went through when they blocked me so therefore it must be me who is doc anyways.

 

So, thoughts...

 

Peace switched his read on me completely between last night and tonight.  I view that as TMI and don't buy his reasoning.  Also Peace mentioned how his view on me changed b/c I said NL and yet Peace is not doing what he views as town by voting NL.  Peace looks like scum.

Turin has been joking about how ironic it would be all game to not have a doc.  He somehow forgot to make the joke after BFG got NK'd.  Of all times to mention how ironic it is that there is no doc it would be right after the town investigative roll got NK'd, but he didn't.  Seems like TMI again.  Turin looks scum.

Tommy's play started with lots of WiM and has died since.  Still, his going after Wombat counts for something.  Looking townie.

Rags.  Seriously, DYEM? 

Lenlo, either doesn't care or was silvertongue and desperate to get viewed by BFG.  Leave it alone for now.

Hallia is sheeping Mish now. 

Mish gave out investigative rolls. 'Nuff said.

 

Since you're all set on voting, let's either vote Peace or Turin.

 

In fact, ##unvote, vote Peace

[michellem]

I understand what you were trying to do TG, but without the information you have, it looked like a very stupid idea.

 

You have a very good point on Peace though, his petulance to me is not town peace on LyLo either.

 

Vote Peace

[peacesells]

I'm Dr Jessica Adams TG.  Game over if you lynch me.

[peacesells]

I understand what you were trying to do TG, but without the information you have, it looked like a very stupid idea.

 

You have a very good point on Peace though, his petulance to me is not town peace on LyLo either.

 

Vote Peace

 

Petulance?  lol. 

[peacesells]

Tglems...who is your character?

[Tyler Glembo]

Dr. Wilson

[Songstress]

Official Vote Count:

 

Tommy (1) - Peace

Peace (3) - Tommy, TG, Mish

 

Not Voting (4) - Turin, Rags, Hally, Lenlo

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

 

Deadline: Saturday, March 15 @ 2PM CDT

http://www.timeandda...sg=End of Day 5

[michellem]

I am willing to let that go, for now. We've had townies flip even more minor characters.

 

And yes Peace, petulance when I asked for reads.

 

unvote vote Turin

[peacesells]

2 - I discount his attack on Wombat because the scum team had obviously decided that Wombat was expendable.  The fact that Tommy was not at all deterred by Wombats cop claimed is suspicious.  It's a great move to gain town credit at the same time outing a real power role.

 

 

I want to re-iterate my Tommy reasoning here.

 

Go back and look at the Wombat cop claim and see who immediately called BS on it.  How can anyone who is town and therefore ignorant to alignments be so comfortable calling BS on a cop claim? 

 

Most town players would back off a bit even if they thought it was BS.  They'd take the time to re-evaluate their read instead of pushing to lynch a claimed cop role.

 

The scum team was rolling and could afford to lose someone in order to out the cop.  The fact that Wombat opened up so early in the day proves they were running a gambit and willing to sacrifice Wombat to do so. 

 

Tommy was too knowing at that point.  He was also the perfect scum mate to use in this regard because he had been bussing Wombat the whole game.

 

Do NOT give him credit for going after Wombat...as it was all as set up. 

[peacesells]

I am willing to let that go, for now. We've had townies flip even more minor characters.

 

And yes Peace, petulance when I asked for reads.

 

unvote vote Turin

 

I know what you were referring to.  I was trolling/joking a bit because I'd been accused of that same thing the last few games. 

[Songstress]

Official Vote Count:

 

Tommy (1) - Peace

Peace (2) - Tommy, TG

Turin (1) - Mish

 

Not Voting (4) - Turin, Rags, Hally, Lenlo

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

 

Deadline: Saturday, March 15 @ 2PM CDT

http://www.timeandda...sg=End of Day 5

[Tommyrod]

 

2 - I discount his attack on Wombat because the scum team had obviously decided that Wombat was expendable.  The fact that Tommy was not at all deterred by Wombats cop claimed is suspicious.  It's a great move to gain town credit at the same time outing a real power role.

 

 

I want to re-iterate my Tommy reasoning here.

 

Go back and look at the Wombat cop claim and see who immediately called BS on it.  How can anyone who is town and therefore ignorant to alignments be so comfortable calling BS on a cop claim? 

 

Most town players would back off a bit even if they thought it was BS.  They'd take the time to re-evaluate their read instead of pushing to lynch a claimed cop role.

 

The scum team was rolling and could afford to lose someone in order to out the cop.  The fact that Wombat opened up so early in the day proves they were running a gambit and willing to sacrifice Wombat to do so. 

 

Tommy was too knowing at that point.  He was also the perfect scum mate to use in this regard because he had been bussing Wombat the whole game.

 

Do NOT give him credit for going after Wombat...as it was all as set up. 

 

 

I had to lol at this. I was wondering what you were going to eventually push me with since your reasoning was "Tommy is playing to his scum meta" and nothing else, but apparently it's expanded to "Tommy was duly skeptical of someone he had reason to believe is mafia and actually did turn out to be mafia."

 

I think that's the first time someone on DM has tried to get me lynched for being correct. 

 

Extremely lame last minute frame attempt. You've been ignoring this game for weeks, hypocritically call me out for doing the same even though I've put considerably more #work into this game than you despite my schedule, and are hoping to get me mislynched because I'm too busy to defend myself? Rats to that, I'll bury you right now. Getting my shovel.

[michellem]

We have 17 hours until deadline...

 

Townies, please step up and contribute.

 

Rags, if you are town, you're being a douche screwing your team over now.

[Tommyrod]

Peace has been transparently pushing any wagon he thinks can get traction, taking advantage of the low participation in this game. His progression in the last day phase alone:

 

Unvote

 

Vote Peace

 

That'll rustle him good. Bonus: he's mafia!

 

 

*rustled*

 

 

I like your Hallia vote though...but that's tough because I think you are scum Tommy.

 

 

 

I like your Hallia vote though...but that's tough because I think you are scum Tommy.

Why and why?

 

 

BFG, did you get a result this night?

Town result.

 

What do you think of Rags, Peace, Turin?

 

 

 

Hallia's been scummy lurking all game.  I don't remember her taking one stand.

 

Tommy has done everything he can do to sow confusion and take the game off track.

 

 

Wait..is Turin playing in this game?

 

 

Seriously though, Peace

 

I have reasons

 

 

 

Seriously though, Peace

 

I have reasons

 

I'm sure you do...they aren't good ones though.

 

 

 

Where has TG been?

 

 

can someone confirm?  We can probably only afford 1 misslynch?

 

 

 

So, I'm right?  2 misslynches in a row = scum victory?

You seem awful eager.

 

He pushes:

Hallia (a townie), Tommy (a townie), TG (possible townie)

 

He soft pushes:

Turin (possible scum)

 

Is defensive against:

Rags (a possible townie), Mish (a townie), Tommy

 

 

And more importantly, Peace has a habit of jumping on the TG wagon when it's en vogue.

 

See here:

 

unvote

 

vote tglems

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Darthe (2) - Despo, Kaylee

Despo (5) - Darthe. Turin, Wombat, Amega, Pral

TG (6) - Mish, Tommy, Leno, AJ, Hallia, peace

Lenlo (1) - TG

 

Not Voting (2) - Dap, BFG

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline: http://www.timeandda...sg=End of Day 1

 

 

 

unvote

 

vote tglems

Reason?

 

 

 

 

unvote; vote Pral

 

 

I find the timing of this unvote on Tglems very suspicious.

 

So back then, he voted for TG because... AJ unvoted TG. lol

 

And then yesterday, despite saying I am his top mafia read or one of them, he's still willing to lynch the people I mentioned, Hallia and then TG when I made a new case for TG based on Wombat spew

 

TG

 

Please respond to my accusations

 

It's not far back, like the last page

 

 

VOTE TGLEMS

 

I think he just showed his alignment.

 

 

Dice and Tglems = Scum

 

 

UNVOTE VOTE DICE

 

 

And then after the lynch...

 

we are in lylo.  A no lynch actually makes sense.

 

 

Mish..I was kinda trolling.  Basically beating someone else to saying what I said.  The past few games I've been getting a lot of that type of statement directed my way.

 

I've got town reads on everyone but the following:

 

Tommy

Turin

Rags

 

If there is a silver tongue it would be Lenlo.

 

 

Changed my mind Tglems.  Really like your no lynch thoughts.  Very pro town.

 

 

VOTE TOMMY

Do I really have to point out how ridiculous it is that he followed his "top" scum read onto two townies in the past week?

 

Do I really have to point out that he's had some of the thinnest reasoning in this thread for all of his "suspects" in this game so far?

 

I'll go dig up his past votes, it's hilarious how little of his thought process he left in the thread. (Because there isn't one.)

[Tommyrod]

Peace

 

 

Votes Despo because his discussion with csarmi had the potential to derail Day 1 conversation.

 

Picks up on Darthes 'heat for voting' comment

 

Strange clearing Des comment (since Des wasn't 'afraid' to get in a tangle with him)

 

Picks up on Kaylees 'warrent' statement - similar wavelength to Dap here (think darthe also weighed in on this side (privately cursing isos limitations))

 

Votes TG (no reason)

 

Votes Darthe for not explaining the 'heat' comment

 

Votes TG (still no reason given) and prods AJ for unvoting TG due to the timing,

 

Reads: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/87715-advanced-house-md-mafia-day-4/?view=findpost&p=3169403

Mafia: TG, AJ

Prob Mafia: Dap, Tommy

Prob Town: Wombat, Turin

Town: Despo

 

Doesn't like being an early town read

 

New reads: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/87715-advanced-house-md-mafia-day-4/?view=findpost&p=3170388

Scum team is Mish, Dap, Tommy

Cleared is AJ

Getting less clear is Despo and Wombat

Getting more clear is Darthe

Hallia looking like scum

Lenlo, who the F knows?  The F stands for funny.

 

Votes Mish - Rag asks if his reads have changed.

 

Seems obtuse, his reads are changed because of changing circumstance which is true, but there's no thought process on thread to explain why the thought process has changed.

 

Prods Hallia

 

Votes Dap

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/87715-advanced-house-md-mafia-day-4/?view=findpost&p=3175204

Wants to lynch Tommy, Hallia, Dice and Lenlo (in that order)

Adds Lenlo to list if he doesn't prove himself, asks him to kill Tommy

 

Asks Despo for his character but doesn't question Wombat - Despo reacts to character claims and pretty much always refuses (fwiw in principal I agree with him, but don't share the same conviction yet). Apparantly this is enough to stop thinking Des is Town.

 

Doesn't like Dice's list (Tommy, Hallia, Des if he doesn't prove himself vig) - yet it's the same as his (minus a couple of people)

 

missed Day 3 as he's switching shifts, 'Don't know how you pulled that reverse off BFG... but great job.'

 

likes Hallia vote, but thinks Tommy is mafia.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/87715-advanced-house-md-mafia-day-4/?view=findpost&p=3178442

 

Tommy has done everything he can do to sow confusion and take the game off track.

Can you show examples of this?

 

Forgotten Turin in game.

 

Asks about TG

 

Asks about 1 mislynch - yes if there were 4 mafia there are 2 mislynches left (depending on if there's third party and their win con), the only people who can confirm are mafia.

 

More interaction between Rags and Peace.

 

Has noticed that I LD'd Lenlo (presumably thinks Hallia is ST, so Lenlo Town)

 

Can vote TG

 

Doesn't want to rush vote (unlikely over a weekend)

 

Points out that he hasn't voted.

 

Asks why he can't express hesitation at voting with his mafia suspect - which doesn't explain why he's not voting Tommy.

 

Votes TG (just shown his alignment) - How?

 

Dice, TG = mafia

 

How has TG shown alignment? what happened to Tommy, Hallia as a suspect?

 

BFG covered a lot of this already.

 

Peace has extremely one dimensional reasoning for who he clears or goes after in this game. He doesn't even know why he's voting half the time:

 

1. Des because Des was derailing the thread with Salami (both townies)

 

2. Votes TG and refuses to justify it

 

3. Me-too votes Darthe when it's popular because Darthe didn't bother explaining himself

 

4. Votes TG *again* and says it's because he doesn't like AJ unvoting TG lol

 

5. Votes Mish and can't explain his thought process when Rags questions him

 

6. Votes Dap

 

7. Votes TG

 

8. Votes Dice

 

9. Flips read on TG

 

Jesus, there's so much. It looks like he has pushed ONLY TOWNIES in this game.

 

Plus he ignores Wombat completely (and is now trying to mislynch ME for realizing Wombat was full of it). My favorite part of this is how he said he didn't like being cleared early. Both Wombat and I had town reads on Peace at the time, yet he never goes after Wombat, but I've been on his scum list for 3/4 of this game, without him making a serious effort to get me lynched and now when we're at MyLo

 

He's also made some really fake posts, like "Don't know how you pulled that reverse off BFG... but great job." Struggle McStruggleson.

 

This is insanely obvious, no? Like I don't need to keep reiterating this? We lynch him, one of the confirmed townies gets capped tonight, we do it again tomorrow. Probably Turin since he keeps mentioning him but doesn't go after him; instead choosing to keep claiming townies are obvious scum because... meta? Or because they're right? You got cocky, Peace. Should have gone for someone more likely to roll over and die.

[Hallia]

Yeah, it's pretty quiet.  However, that case you just made tommy makes sense.  Strange how quiet Rags is being.

 

 

Tempted to vote Peace.  Why did you ignore Wombat peace?

[Tommyrod]

Yeah, it's pretty quiet.  However, that case you just made tommy makes sense.  Strange how quiet Rags is being.

 

 

Tempted to vote Peace.  Why did you ignore Wombat peace?

It's not even a case. It's just a recap of his "play" in this game, and it speaks for itself. He's happy to lynch anyone as long as it's a townie. He can't keep track of his own suspects from day to day. I'm trying to figure out who he would be distancing from at this point. Turin because he keeps making one-liners about him but ends up dropping him completely? Lenlo for the silvertongue comment? Could be WIFOM/TMI.

[Lenlo]

Screw it. Better than a no lynch and I dont think Turin or Tommy are near as scummy.

 

##Vote Peace

 

Lets bet it all :P

[Hallia]

I agree.

 

 

Vote Peace

[Tommyrod]

Screw it. Better than a no lynch and I dont think Turin or Tommy are near as scummy.

 

##Vote Peace

 

Lets bet it all :P

Who do you think his partners are? We're running out of people.

[Tommyrod]

I agree.

 

 

Vote Peace

Turin next? Maybe I was wrong about Rags?

[Tommyrod]

It's not like me to be wrong, though, so that'd be a downer.

[peacesells]

meh...that's 5 right?

 

Game over.  Gratz scum. 

 

I was too lazy this game.  Sorry guys.

[Tommyrod]

Things Peace and Turin have in common:

 

Both using the same "Tommy is mafia because he correctly identified Wombat as a fibster" line

 

Both saying I'm "playing to my scum meta"

 

Both not mentioning me apart from these two things

 

[Tommyrod]

meh...that's 5 right?

 

Game over.  Gratz scum. 

 

I was too lazy this game.  Sorry guys.

I tried this AtE approach at the end of the Star Wars game. Almost worked on Des. Won't work on me.