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amegakure Experienced

amegakure

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so this pings hard in the above was suppose to be purple. Also TG could you explain why Leelou going hard on Kay who you stated is a strong town lean, makes her feel town? Is she getting participation points for grilling one of your top town pics?

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Kaylee Spam Master

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5. Amega - He doesn't like Despo's unvote and lack of reasonings yet he says he'll keep his vote on AJ and if he flips scum Despo's next. Not sure I follow the reasoning on that, was still considering a gambit at this point if the sudden unvote feels so off why not vote Despo instead? AJ was a solid train at the point i prefer to to switch my votes around. His play had warranted a vote. regardless of alignment. He switches his vote to Despo because his number one was AJ who claimed Doc. He later explains it because he's the next best option and his flip will give us info on a few players. His comment about proving something, like how Kaylee is, more than Des feels off to me. Why would I have to be scummier than Des to be thought as scummy? You wouldnt but she tunneled on you and had little to say about a scum player going down... possible distancing IMO Says Leelou is one of his top pics...yet not vote or "information" on her. I already stated it was mostly a feeling my thoughts on her have kinda dispersed. He agrees with Verbal about Cloud but feels bad voting him because he's putting a lot of work in? Yea a lot of work in trying to catch up and act townie its a crappy way to enter the game and try your best to ultimately be defeated by the old player.

 

 

 

That explains your not switching your vote and your thoughts about it. Are you saying Leelou was possibly distancing from Despo by not commenting on him? Why have your thoughts on Leelou dispersed? Why is that? In night phase you seemed to have some thoughts on her you wanted to say. As far as the not wanting to vote Cloud for those reasons, it may be crap to get caught like that, but if you think he's scum you really should vote him whether he's trying hard or not. That's the nature of the game. 

 

 

I'll look into that VC tomorrow. But I don't remember there being a train on Peace.

Unfortunately I've been gone all day. Computer was also acting up. I'll try to do so now...

 

 

VOTE AMEGA

What's your reasoning?

Kaylee Spam Master

Kaylee

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Here are all the VC's I found with myself and Amega as trains. Peace never had a train, I looked. 

Vote Count


AJ (1) - Ame
Kaylee (2) - Leelou, Peace
Amega (2) - Despo, Verbal

Wombat (1) AJ

No Lynch (1) - Wombat

Not Voting:, Hallia, Puppets, Xthrax

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CST

Deadline Link

 

 

Vote Count



Kaylee (2) - Leelou, Peace
Amega (2) - Despo, Verbal

Wombat (1) AJ

Des (1) - Ame

No Lynch (1) - Wombat

Not Voting:, Hallia, Puppets, Xthrax

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CST

Deadline Link

 

 

Vote Count



Kaylee (2) - Leelou, Peace
Amega (2) - Despo, Verbal

Wombat (1) AJ

Des (4) - Ame, Kaylee, Hallia, Wombat

Not Voting:, Puppets, Xthrax, Csarmi

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CST

Deadline Link

 

 

Vote Count




Kaylee (3) - Leelou, Peace, Xthrax
Amega (2) - Despo, Verbal

Wombat (1) AJ

Des (4) - Ame, Kaylee, Hallia, Wombat

 

Not Voting: Puppets, Csarmi

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CST

Deadline Link

 

 

 

Vote Count



Kaylee (4) - Leelou, Peace, Xthrax, Csarmi
Amega (2) - Despo, Verbal

Wombat (1) AJ

Des (4) - Ame, Kaylee, Hallia, Wombat

 

Not Voting: Puppets

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CST

Deadline Link

 

 

 

 

Vote Count


 


Kaylee (4) - Leelou, Xthrax, Csarmi
Amega (2) - Despo, Verbal

Wombat (1) AJ

Des (5) - Ame, Kaylee, Hallia, Wombat, Peace

 

Not Voting: Puppets

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CST

Deadline Link

 

 

 

 

Vote Count


 


Kaylee (4) - Leelou, Xthrax, Csarmi, Despo
Amega (1) - Verbal

Des (7) - Ame, Kaylee, Hallia, Wombat, Peace, AJ, Csarmi

 

Not Voting: Puppets

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

 

Lynch

 

Scene incoming.

 

amegakure Experienced

amegakure

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@kay as for not voting cloud i just want to make it clear at first i looked at him in a bad light with Salami quitting like that but the more i think about it. i cant see scum quitting like that.  if we find out he was actually scum and put poor cloud in that position. I would never play another game with him and i cant imagine to many other would be happy to have a player who just ups and quits the second things get rough, thats why we have a mod, take your grievances to him. You dont complain about someone playing badly and then do the same to a fellow player cause you get mad.

 

As for Lee i mostly got after her cause she voted me for something weak and at first i thought she was being opportunistic but im starting to think it was poor play on my part and i was grasping at straws. Although her lack of interest in the des lynch was interesting.  

Leelou Spam Master

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@kay as for not voting cloud i just want to make it clear at first i looked at him in a bad light with Salami quitting like that but the more i think about it. i cant see scum quitting like that.  if we find out he was actually scum and put poor cloud in that position. I would never play another game with him and i cant imagine to many other would be happy to have a player who just ups and quits the second things get rough, thats why we have a mod, take your grievances to him. You dont complain about someone playing badly and then do the same to a fellow player cause you get mad.

 

As for Lee i mostly got after her cause she voted me for something weak and at first i thought she was being opportunistic but im starting to think it was poor play on my part and i was grasping at straws. Although her lack of interest in the des lynch was interesting.  

 

I voted you? 

Kaylee Spam Master

Kaylee

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@kay as for not voting cloud i just want to make it clear at first i looked at him in a bad light with Salami quitting like that but the more i think about it. i cant see scum quitting like that. if we find out he was actually scum and put poor cloud in that position. I would never play another game with him and i cant imagine to many other would be happy to have a player who just ups and quits the second things get rough, thats why we have a mod, take your grievances to him. You dont complain about someone playing badly and then do the same to a fellow player cause you get mad.

 

As for Lee i mostly got after her cause she voted me for something weak and at first i thought she was being opportunistic but im starting to think it was poor play on my part and i was grasping at straws. Although her lack of interest in the des lynch was interesting.

If that's why then fine, I had a problem with why you didn't want to vote him. If you changed your mind just say so, it was saying that you didn't want to vote him because he put all that work in.
amegakure Experienced

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I'm not going to quote every post from Wombat, but they all seem scummy. I find him much better as town and more transparent as scum. The No Lynch thing felt forced and like he wanted to come off as his townie self. I don't see how Kaylee or Amega are towntelling everywhere. Kaylee is being sketchy and something seems off about Amega. 

 

 

You're right Lee you didnt you just threw out a FOS on me and kay because some reason i seemed off. I dont believe you ever discussed how. Also in this statement was a wrap up of how you how you thought Kay was way scummy than the scum we just lynched. If your gonna get on her for be wishy washy why not any comment's towards me about how i was indecisive about the Des and AJ "gambit." Same concept except i stuck with my vote till Aj claimed.? 

WWWwombat Spam Master

WWWwombat

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TG including the Scooby Doo and All our Yesterdays games in his meta-analysis is suspect. Both of those games had mechanics where one player controlled multiple slots, so claiming early like csarmi did makes more sense. Also, iirc, Yates was the one who tried to vet his suit in the Scooby game, so TG's point makes no sense there. This looks like some serious confirmation bias. TG is trying to make the evidence fit the conclusion. This usually results from interpersonal conflict or scum alignment.

 

Also, not feeling good about Leelou. She is nudging me with no evidence and isn't doing much else.

Xthrax Experienced

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Ok been away for quite some time-busy with school so will respond now.

 

I haven’t read X’s case because it was giving me a headache but the WIM is strong in him. And while I’m already at the topic of readability AJ you should really start using more spacing between your paragraphs of text.

 

 

UNVOTE

VOTE DESPO


This vote from Peace on Despo also makes him look really good considering he could have just left it camped on Kay.

Huh, this confirmed my slight scummy feel on him. One mafia down.


I don't like this post. He is trying too hard to clear himself as town while he was one of the few who voted for Kay instead of Des.
 

 

 

 

@amega: doc claim or not, AJ can't be scum unless Kaylee is. Which is not impossible, but very unlikely.


Wait, what?

 


AJ ensured the Despo lynch by moving onto him and going to sleep. The only way I could see that happening is if we were running up scum-scum which is very unlikely.

 


I disagree. If there is no Doc in this game and scum got lucky with a fake claim, then the plan would easily be to set AJ up as the endgame scum player. Des would EASILY go along with that and get himself lynched (and therefore bussed) on D1. I would, too. So scum-AJ slowplaying the lynch to eventually bus a teammate in Des anyway is a solid scum move. But.......town-AJ would probably make the same slowplay, so it really is null. Kaylee can easily be town if AJ is scum.

 


Agreed.
 

That's a weird statement to make....


It wasn't a weird statement.
 

vote csarmi

Obv scum, way off town meta. Didn't d1 claim vanilla town, hasn't been engaged in the same way as he typically is, hasn't been pushing others or acting like he is pulling a town gambit.

Lol wtf is this for BS reason? Salami only claimed Vanilla on Day 1 in his last couple of games which ended up heavily backfiring for him, and now that he is trying to change that you are once again attacking him for it. It’s a loss-loss scenario for him and it isn’t fair. He hasn’t been engaged because he has been sick, and for him to plan town gambits he obviously needs to be around. It also ties in with the first point you are making which is that he hasn’t claimed Vanilla.
 

 

 

Let me get this straight. I'm way off town meta for being sick all D1?


You're off town meta for being off town meta. No D1 insta claim like you have in 3 out of 3 other recent games. No real pushing and playing around at how you, as town, is gambiting scum and will watch them slip as you do things out of ordinary. No real taking of data to be used in scumhunting. You're playing with a lot of WIL. Obvscum.

 

WIL =/= Obvscum when he has explained that he has been sick.

 

TG, you're playing against the spirit of the game. I won't be a party to it.


I'm not trying to defend Salami by using AtE, but you guys should know that he wouldn't ever bail out of a game as scum after he received a little pressure. Not only would it be against the spirit of the game which he is a strong advocate of, it would also put his replacement in a bad situation and therefore it also wouldn't be an effective move.

 

 

Claiming town is a null statement in a basic game.

I never argued that it was anything more than that.


But you consistently do it (not speaking of specific games, speaking of your typical play). And you haven't done it here. Meta, you're off it.

 


Read his post again. He is saying that claiming town is a null statement in a BASIC GAME. The games that you are referencing aren't basic. I disagree with Salami’s reasoning for claiming town in advanced games, but to each his own I guess.


If I go off the process of elimination I end up with X and TG being Despo’s teammates.

Vote TG

 

Should have time this afternoon to do at least one more. I'll also comment on Cloud's above post when I have time.

There is no need. I have a town read on you now.
 

I'll admit, that was not easy to follow. Sometimes you quote within a box, and other times you simply type it in. And I can't follow how the bold interacts with the rest of the post, and whether the bold is yours or originally there.


@Cloud: Des' interaction with AJ does not clear Salami, and therefore you. I'm not sure how you're getting to that conclusion, tbh.

It clears Salami because Despo ironically enough triggered his own scum tell by changing his scum read from Salami to a town read over basically nothing. He didn’t notice the same thing about AJ as Salami did because he quoted the exact same post but didn’t mention any of the things Salami did, but despite this a moment later he mentioned that he did which is an obvious lie. More importantly however we now know that Despo was scum and AJ was town, so he couldn’t have genuinely thought the same thing as Salami did in that situation.

 

 

 

I'll admit, that was not easy to follow. Sometimes you quote within a box, and other times you simply type it in. And I can't follow how the bold interacts with the rest of the post, and whether the bold is yours or originally there.


@Cloud: Des' interaction with AJ does not clear Salami, and therefore you. I'm not sure how you're getting to that conclusion, tbh.

I didn't quote within a text if that's what your saying. As for it being confusing, I'll give a summary of my thoughts when I can get back to a computer. That's what I'll do for the rest too so it's easier to read.

 

A summary of your reads would be great. Thank you.

 

Note-I've used green to highlight the points I'm referring to and mark my response

 

You haven't read my ISO's and but you choose to form reads on me based on vague assumptions. Do go back and read my post. I'll admit it was rather huge, but I've quoted outside the text box and used another colour for my opinion.

 

Like I said go read them. You'll see that I've mentioned both Des and Kaylee as having a scummy feel. And at the time of my vote, reading both their posts made Kaylee stand out as the greater of two evils leading me to vote her. When you've assumed 2 people as scummy, who would you vote-the one you would think more scummy or less.

 

 

 

TLDR: X and TG are scum. Lynch either of them and follow me for the win!

 

Based on that one vague reason, you think I'm scum. If thats your case, dude it's very transparent. Just a few posts back, you say you've got a town read. Do go back, read my posts and try to give good reasons/cases.

Xthrax Experienced

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Vote Count

 

Kaylee (4) - Leelou, Xthrax, Csarmi

Amega (2) - Despo, Verbal

Wombat (1) AJ

Des (5) - Ame, Kaylee, Hallia, Wombat, Peace

 

Not Voting: Puppets

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CSTDeadline Link

This is the VC after Peace switched momentum to Des. Shortly afterward, Does gives up by claiming VT. Votes after Peace get no town cred. Furthermore, the timing of all this leads me to believe that probably one scum was voting Kaylee and maybe one who wasn't Des was on neither Des nor Kaylee. Scum wanted to railroad Kaylee, but Peace doomed them.

 

Top suspects in this scenario are Csarmi, Xthrax, and Verb.

 

Leaning Xthrax ATM, as since someone said (was it AJ?), he said Des was off but didn't help lynch him.

 

Anyways, limited access til Sunday, so if someone could pull the VC with Kaylee, Peace, and Amega as competing trains, I would appreciate it. Might be something there.

Vote: Xthrax

 

Your reasoning for voting me is that someone said that-I said Des was off but didn't help lynch him. I gonna assume that you haven't read my cases on Kaylee, Des or anyone or have you? If you read through that I had a scummy read on both Kaylee and Des but Kaylee had a greater scum read. 

 

I'm gonna ask the same thing I asked Cloud, who will you lynch the person who has a greater scummy feel or the one with lesser?

 

Yours is a very vague and poorly constructed reason for a vote. Do go back, read my posts as your reason has very little solidity.

Tyler Glembo Master

Tyler Glembo

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Wombat - scum lean, pushes Aj lynch and says to suspect anyone not on it laying the groundwork for future pushes, pushes NL instead of des lynch, pushes off Cs train I dont see the scummy side of wombat everyone is talking about.. i pushed for aj to. The gambit seemed like a very probably possiblity. I dont agree with the NL but i feel he explained himself well enough. I believe verbal called him out on that.

 

Amega - town-ish, defended despo, triest to push AJ off wombat which is all scummy, but then calls out des hard for backing of AJ in the manner he did which When did i defend despo.. I was catious with my vote and wanted to wait cause an agressive despo seems to be his thing. He slipped up and i voted him.

 

peace - town lean, started and secured the despo lynch may have secured it but could you quote where he started it?

MY responses and thoughts are in blue.

 

1)A lot of people were talking about the gambit, but Wombat pushed against the Des lynch twice with a vote for AJ then a vote for NL.  I don't think I've played with Wombat enough to have seen him consistently call for a NL in the past.  In this situation it looked like he was trying to get anyone he could off the Des lynch.

 

2) The defense I was referring to was in post 106.  Then again in post 112 where you contradict yourself about the possibility of a gambit.  Looked to me like a chainsaw defense of Des by attacking AJ.

 

3) I had in my notes that Peace voted Despo first, then unvoted, then came back and secured the lynch.  It was post 124.

 

Also TG could you explain why Leelou going hard on Kay who you stated is a strong town lean, makes her feel town? Is she getting participation points for grilling one of your top town pics?

 

Seemed like she went after her in a reasonable manner and it looked entirely town on town to me.

Kaylee Spam Master

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TG: I don't see a contradiction from those posts. In the first post Amega said he wasn't sure about a gambit. In fact he was he wasn't dismissing the idea, but not convinced of it either. In the second post he said it was one of two things, and the second being that it was a gambit and we were right about it.

WWWwombat Spam Master

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I did catch a scumtell from him, but he's been towntelling for most of the game.  Don't really want to lynch him.  I'd prefer to lynch Cloud or Xthrax.

WWWwombat Spam Master

WWWwombat

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Vote Count

 

Kaylee (4) - Leelou, Xthrax, Csarmi

Amega (2) - Despo, Verbal

Wombat (1) AJ

Des (5) - Ame, Kaylee, Hallia, Wombat, Peace

 

Not Voting: Puppets

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CSTDeadline Link

This is the VC after Peace switched momentum to Des. Shortly afterward, Does gives up by claiming VT. Votes after Peace get no town cred. Furthermore, the timing of all this leads me to believe that probably one scum was voting Kaylee and maybe one who wasn't Des was on neither Des nor Kaylee. Scum wanted to railroad Kaylee, but Peace doomed them.

 

Top suspects in this scenario are Csarmi, Xthrax, and Verb.

 

Leaning Xthrax ATM, as since someone said (was it AJ?), he said Des was off but didn't help lynch him.

 

Anyways, limited access til Sunday, so if someone could pull the VC with Kaylee, Peace, and Amega as competing trains, I would appreciate it. Might be something there.

Vote: Xthrax

 

Your reasoning for voting me is that someone said that-I said Des was off but didn't help lynch him. I gonna assume that you haven't read my cases on Kaylee, Des or anyone or have you? If you read through that I had a scummy read on both Kaylee and Des but Kaylee had a greater scum read. 

 

I'm gonna ask the same thing I asked Cloud, who will you lynch the person who has a greater scummy feel or the one with lesser?

 

Yours is a very vague and poorly constructed reason for a vote. Do go back, read my posts as your reason has very little solidity.

 

 

I've read the whole thread but I don't remember your case.  Probably wasn't very good.  I can check, but it's not very relevant to my point.  My point is that you nudged Despo but didn't end up lynching him.  You can say all you want about thinking that Kaylee was scummy (even though I have a town read on her), but words are wind.  Votes matter so much more.  And you voted the countertrain to Des.  Therefore, you get scum points.

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unvote

Vote: Amega

 

Worst case scenario, I confirm another of my reads.

 

You just said he's been town telling all game.  I don't get this vote considering your previous points.

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