[Basic] Reboot Mafia Game MAFIA WINS

[Kaylee]

Players read:

 

1. Kaylee- town

 

2. Wombat - I don't understand the chastising of AJ on claiming at L-3 since it gave us info to work off of and still allowed for competitive trains and a secured lynch. The timing of bring of the NL seemed to me like he was trying to take away from the lynch. Like a distraction. It might be a good idea down the road but not D1. His argument that you get the least info D1 doesn't feel right to me due to the fact where would you be without the lynch of D1? It gives voting patterns, who backed up whom and so forth. When talking to AJ about the reasons he switched his vote to Des he said AJ didn't know his reasons, yet he never gave them himself. Looking at his number chart Leelou, TG (Puppets), and Peace are his next highest. Wombat do you still feel that way? Leaning scum for the suggestion of NL and the timing of it, the questioning of AJ timing of the claim, and not giving reasons for his switch to Des while claiming those questioning it (AJ) didn't understand/know his motives.

 

3. Verbal - Doesn't say much in the beginning, argues against the NL on D1, spreads WIFOM on his Amgea vote, and makes some good arguments. By that I mean he states, to Csarmi when he said AJ can't be scum unless Kaylee is, a scenario where AJ could've been scum and fake claiming. After that he states why he wants to wait to see about Leelou, hopes we don't have a RBer, and votes Csarmi for his weird statement. He has some back and forth with Cloud and makes some good points about his using Csarmi's RL excuse to clear him. Leaning Null, not much to go on, need to see some more from him. Would like to know his current thoughts on players.

 

4. Despo- known Scum

 

5. Amega - He doesn't like Despo's unvote and lack of reasonings yet he says he'll keep his vote on AJ and if he flips scum Despo's next. Not sure I follow the reasoning on that, if the sudden unvote feels so off why not vote Despo instead? He switches his vote to Despo because his number one was AJ who claimed Doc. He later explains it because he's the next best option and his flip will give us info on a few players. His comment about proving something, like how Kaylee is, more than Des feels off to me. Why would I have to be scummier than Des to be thought as scummy? Says Leelou is one of his top pics...yet not vote or "information" on her. He agrees with Verbal about Cloud but feels bad voting him because he's putting a lot of work in? Leaning scum

 

6. Hally - starts off with a joke vote on AJ. She unvotes, says she sees nothing wrong with AJ's play and that Despo making something out of nothing, and she can't tell about Csarmi. Mentions Des is male, says she felt the jovial was the main point in Des's case so she mentioned it. Agrees with me and votes Des to add pressure. She's believes AJ's claim and wants to hear Despo's response. Then she'll be back tonight with thoughts. Not much content but her reasoning for voting Des seems off. Leaning scum.

 

7. Peace - Starts off voting Despo saying he's scum and has his eye on one other. Says I'm  the other and have taken the lead, votes me. Says X is just parroting. His top scum reads are Kaylee, Despo and Verbal. Gives reads that seem genuine. Tells AJ to vote me and points out that Wombat doesn't want me lynched. Switches his vote to Despo and reminds everyone that Despo often busses and hard. Leaning town. I feel his actions to be genuine.

 

8. Puppets/TG - Puppets I had a scum read on based off his suspicion of Despo with no vote. As far as TG - Starts off voting Csarmi saying he's off his town meta and has a back and forth with him. Gives reads and votes Wombat. Want to wait to see more from him.

 

9. Leelou - Good questions for me on my play. Gives reads on others and votes her number one suspect. Town lean.

 

10. Csarmi/Cloud - Csarmi: Thinks both AJ and Despo are scum. Agrees with my reason of feeling forced for believing a gambit. He questions why SP finds Despo off, thinks Amega's "assume everyone is town" is sounds anti-town. Prefers a Kaylee lynch over Despo because I've pinged him early? He made no mention of such. He likes Amgea, Peace and Wombat as town. Votes me. His gut tells him Leelou is scum but can't remember-something about roelfishing on AJ. Hammers Despo, says it was because he was willing to self-hammer. Comes up with this AJ can't be scum unless Kaylee is. Asks Verb where we start wrapping up. Argues about being off his meta and asks for replacement. His being so willing to lynch me without reasons other than "she was pinging me early" and no examples of that seems more like he was avoiding Despo's train. Cloud - Says it would be too risky for Despo to name his only scum reads, Myself and Amgea, and them be his teammates. His TLDR version states X and TG as Despo's teammates and he votes TG. Not sure about Cloud.

 

11. AJ - Doc

 

12. Xthrax - Town lean based on his going through everyone's posts and commenting on what he finds. Feels like he's genuinely scum-hunting to me. 

 

So scum reads, not including those that have been replaced, are: Wombat, Amega and Hally.

 

Town leans: Peace, Leelou, and Xthrax

 

Unsure/waiting on more content: Verbal, TG, and Cloud

 

Vote Wombat

 

 

[WWWwombat]

Lol people are voting me?

[amegakure]

Players read:

 

 

 

5. Amega - He doesn't like Despo's unvote and lack of reasonings yet he says he'll keep his vote on AJ and if he flips scum Despo's next. Not sure I follow the reasoning on that, was still considering a gambit at this point if the sudden unvote feels so off why not vote Despo instead? AJ was a solid train at the point i prefer to to switch my votes around. His play had warranted a vote. regardless of alignment. He switches his vote to Despo because his number one was AJ who claimed Doc. He later explains it because he's the next best option and his flip will give us info on a few players. His comment about proving something, like how Kaylee is, more than Des feels off to me. Why would I have to be scummier than Des to be thought as scummy? You wouldnt but she tunneled on you and had little to say about a scum player going down... possible distancing IMO Says Leelou is one of his top pics...yet not vote or "information" on her. I already stated it was mostly a feeling my thoughts on her have kinda dispersed. He agrees with Verbal about Cloud but feels bad voting him because he's putting a lot of work in? Yea a lot of work in trying to catch up and act townie its a crappy way to enter the game and try your best to ultimately be defeated by the old player.

 

 

[Leelou]

^^ those types of responses makes it really hard to figure out what is what you are saying and what someone else is saying. Could you respond outside of the quote box? 

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count

 

Kaylee (4) - Leelou, Xthrax, Csarmi

Amega (2) - Despo, Verbal

Wombat (1) AJ

Des (5) - Ame, Kaylee, Hallia, Wombat, Peace

 

Not Voting: Puppets

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CSTDeadline Link

 

This is the VC after Peace switched momentum to Des. Shortly afterward, Does gives up by claiming VT. Votes after Peace get no town cred. Furthermore, the timing of all this leads me to believe that probably one scum was voting Kaylee and maybe one who wasn't Des was on neither Des nor Kaylee. Scum wanted to railroad Kaylee, but Peace doomed them.

 

Top suspects in this scenario are Csarmi, Xthrax, and Verb.

 

Leaning Xthrax ATM, as since someone said (was it AJ?), he said Des was off but didn't help lynch him.

 

Anyways, limited access til Sunday, so if someone could pull the VC with Kaylee, Peace, and Amega as competing trains, I would appreciate it. Might be something there.

 

Vote: Xthrax

[WWWwombat]

Also, I'm totally ignoring Salami's emoquit. FoS Verb for trying to use it and FoS Cloud for trying to clear himself.

[Kaylee]

I'll look into that VC tomorrow. But I don't remember there being a train on Peace.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Vote Count

Tglems (1) - Cloud
Wombat (3) TGlems, Leelou, Kaylee

Xthrax (1) - Wombat

Not Voting - Everyone Else

Deadline is set for Monday February 24th at 11:00 PM CST

Deadline Link

[amegakure]

^^ those types of responses makes it really hard to figure out what is what you are saying and what someone else is saying. Could you respond outside of the quote box? 

 

i think its pretty obvious that the bolded is my reply and i like to respond that way.. puts my thoughts in an orderly fashion to the question.

[Leelou]

 

^^ those types of responses makes it really hard to figure out what is what you are saying and what someone else is saying. Could you respond outside of the quote box? 

 

i think its pretty obvious that the bolded is my reply and i like to respond that way.. puts my thoughts in an orderly fashion to the question.

 

 

Then don't expect me to read anything you post that way. When responses like that get quoted by other people, it start to get confusing as to who said what.

[Leelou]

*starts

[amegakure]

thats fair.. you go ahead and pout about formatting while i catch some scum.. 

[Leelou]

thats fair.. you go ahead and pout about formatting while i catch some scum.. 

 

I'm waiting with bated breath. 

[amegakure]

i have to work in 30 min. so it'll be a bit.

[peacesells]

VOTE AMEGA

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Vote Count

Tglems (1) - Cloud
Wombat (3) TGlems, Leelou, Kaylee

Xthrax (1) - Wombat

Amega (1) - Peace

Not Voting - Verbal, Amega, Hallia, Xthrax

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is set for Monday February 24th at 11:00 PM CST

Deadline Link

[Tyler Glembo]

@Cloud - I'm pointing out that CS was way off his meta.  Yes, he was sick and didn't post much, but that still doesn't change the fact that when he did post he wasn't trying to clear himself as town as quickly as possible, which he normally does.  So let's take a look, shall we?

 

 

Read his post again. He is saying that claiming town is a null statement in a BASIC GAME. The games that you are referencing aren't basic. I disagree with Salami’s reasoning for claiming town in advanced games, but to each his own I guess.

 

Maybe you should have read what I posted, because I mentioned the Assasin's Creed game here, a BASIC game where CS early claimed.  Or the BASIC GGG game where he claimed D1.  But we can look at his other games too.  The Pokemon game where he replaced in and in his second post was already claiming.  The Rules of Woe where he was VT and claimed and got lynched D1.  Or the freakin' Scooby Doo ALT game where he played as two people and town claimed each other with both of them!!

 

For opposite examples, there is the Adventure Time game where he was scum and he acted in a manner very similar to his acting in this game.  He said he was "brain dead" in that game and didn't post much.  Just like this game he didn't collect data or do much, instead he asked people for their reads. 

 

There are more examples, but it is clearly CS's meta to try and prove himself town quickly when he is and when he is scum he doesn't.  Very, very, very often he claims town in games that he is, and he does so quickly.  He does not do so in games where he is scum. 

 

In this game, yes, he was sick.  However, in the posts he made he was not instantly seeking town cred, clearly against his meta.

 

As for the claim of town being a Null statement, I don't believe that.  It is a statement to make it more probable that you are town. 

[peacesells]

It's not clear at all.  CS's meta is to sow confusion and discontent as early as possible regardless of his alignment.  He trolls, gets called on it, them emo's.  Rinse and repeat.

 

Your characterization of him was completely off base.  Your further justification is way out of whack. 

[Tyler Glembo]

It's not clear at all.  CS's meta is to sow confusion and discontent as early as possible regardless of his alignment.  He trolls, gets called on it, them emo's.  Rinse and repeat.

 

Your characterization of him was completely off base.  Your further justification is way out of whack. 

 

So what do you think of all him doing it in all the games I've cited? 

[peacesells]

I think he trolls purposely regardless.  Why do you feel it necessary to continue this non-scumhunting conversation?

[Tyler Glembo]

I think CS was playing out of his meta, so I'm trying to prove it to catch scum.

[Leelou]

Relying too heavily on meta can bite you in the ass. I'm watching Cloud for any slips, but right now focusing on the salami situation is distracting.

[peacesells]

I think CS was playing out of his meta, so I'm trying to prove it to catch scum.

 

Completely illogical thinking.  You've stated his meta was to claim town day 1 regardless of alignment.  You said that since he didn't do so this game then his is scum.  Does not compute.

 

You look pretty bad pursuing this stance.

[Tyler Glembo]

Completely illogical thinking.  You've stated his meta was to claim town day 1 regardless of alignment.  You said that since he didn't do so this game then his is scum.  Does not compute.

 

You look pretty bad pursuing this stance.

 

 

Where did I say he claims town regardless of alignment?  I am saying he claims town when he is town.  When he is scum, he doesn't claim town.  In this game he did not claim town.  Also, when he is town he sows a lot more WIFOM than when he is scum, IMO. 

 

Maybe I should be clear and say he is off his town meta.

[amegakure]

So, moving on...

 

Kaylee - town lean, tone of posts is good, seems consistently doubtful about des, puts her votes where her thoughts are

Wombat - scum lean, pushes Aj lynch and says to suspect anyone not on it laying the groundwork for future pushes, pushes NL instead of des lynch, pushes off Cs train I dont see the scummy side of wombat everyone is talking about.. i pushed for aj to. The gambit seemed like a very probably possiblity. I dont agree with the NL but i feel he explained himself well enough. I believe verbal called him out on that.

Verb - null

Amega - town-ish, defended despo, triest to push AJ off wombat which is all scummy, but then calls out des hard for backing of AJ in the manner he did which When did i defend despo.. I was catious with my vote and wanted to wait cause an agressive despo seems to be his thing. He slipped up and i voted him.

Hally - thinking on reads similar to my own, votes follow posts

peace - town lean, started and secured the despo lynch may have secured it but could you quote where he started it?

leelou - town lean, solid questioning of kay with good follow ups

Cloud - scum lean, Clouds catch-up was solid but even with being sick CS didn't follow his town meta while simultaneously trying to drive toward a kay lynch instead of des

X - town-ish, dont' like some of teh chainsaw defense but putting in work,

 

 

Top scum reads are Wombat and Clould, with Verb, X and Amega being possibles.  Top town reads are peace and lee.

 

vote wombat

MY responses and thoughts are in blue.

 

I haven’t read X’s case because it was giving me a headache but the WIM is strong in him. And while I’m already at the topic of readability AJ you should really start using more spacing between your paragraphs of text.

 

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE DESPO

This vote from Peace on Despo also makes him look really good considering he could have just left it camped on Kay.

Huh, this confirmed my slight scummy feel on him. One mafia down.   This pings hard. 

I don't like this post. He is trying too hard to clear himself as town while he was one of the few who voted for Kay instead of Des.

 

 

 

 

@amega: doc claim or not, AJ can't be scum unless Kaylee is. Which is not impossible, but very unlikely.

Wait, what?

 

AJ ensured the Despo lynch by moving onto him and going to sleep. The only way I could see that happening is if we were running up scum-scum which is very unlikely.

 

I disagree. If there is no Doc in this game and scum got lucky with a fake claim, then the plan would easily be to set AJ up as the endgame scum player. Des would EASILY go along with that and get himself lynched (and therefore bussed) on D1. I would, too. So scum-AJ slowplaying the lynch to eventually bus a teammate in Des anyway is a solid scum move. But.......town-AJ would probably make the same slowplay, so it really is null. Kaylee can easily be town if AJ is scum.

 

Agreed.

 

That's a weird statement to make....

It wasn't a weird statement.

 

vote csarmi

 

Obv scum, way off town meta. Didn't d1 claim vanilla town, hasn't been engaged in the same way as he typically is, hasn't been pushing others or acting like he is pulling a town gambit.

Lol wtf is this for BS reason? Salami only claimed Vanilla on Day 1 in his last couple of games which ended up heavily backfiring for him, and now that he is trying to change that you are once again attacking him for it. It’s a loss-loss scenario for him and it isn’t fair. He hasn’t been engaged because he has been sick, and for him to plan town gambits he obviously needs to be around. It also ties in with the first point you are making which is that he hasn’t claimed Vanilla.

 

 

 

Let me get this straight. I'm way off town meta for being sick all D1?

You're off town meta for being off town meta. No D1 insta claim like you have in 3 out of 3 other recent games. No real pushing and playing around at how you, as town, is gambiting scum and will watch them slip as you do things out of ordinary. No real taking of data to be used in scumhunting. You're playing with a lot of WIL. Obvscum.

 

WIL =/= Obvscum when he has explained that he has been sick.

 

TG, you're playing against the spirit of the game. I won't be a party to it.

I'm not trying to defend Salami by using AtE, but you guys should know that he wouldn't ever bail out of a game as scum after he received a little pressure. Not only would it be against the spirit of the game which he is a strong advocate of, it would also put his replacement in a bad situation and therefore it also wouldn't be an effective move.

 

 

 

Claiming town is a null statement in a basic game.

 

I never argued that it was anything more than that.

But you consistently do it (not speaking of specific games, speaking of your typical play). And you haven't done it here. Meta, you're off it.

 

Read his post again. He is saying that claiming town is a null statement in a BASIC GAME. The games that you are referencing aren't basic. I disagree with Salami’s reasoning for claiming town in advanced games, but to each his own I guess.

 

 

If I go off the process of elimination I end up with X and TG being Despo’s teammates.

Vote TG

 

Should have time this afternoon to do at least one more. I'll also comment on Cloud's above post when I have time.

There is no need. I have a town read on you now.

 

I'll admit, that was not easy to follow. Sometimes you quote within a box, and other times you simply type it in. And I can't follow how the bold interacts with the rest of the post, and whether the bold is yours or originally there.

 

 

@Cloud: Des' interaction with AJ does not clear Salami, and therefore you. I'm not sure how you're getting to that conclusion, tbh.

It clears Salami because Despo ironically enough triggered his own scum tell by changing his scum read from Salami to a town read over basically nothing. He didn’t notice the same thing about AJ as Salami did because he quoted the exact same post but didn’t mention any of the things Salami did, but despite this a moment later he mentioned that he did which is an obvious lie. More importantly however we now know that Despo was scum and AJ was town, so he couldn’t have genuinely thought the same thing as Salami did in that situation.

 

 

 

I'll admit, that was not easy to follow. Sometimes you quote within a box, and other times you simply type it in. And I can't follow how the bold interacts with the rest of the post, and whether the bold is yours or originally there.

 

 

@Cloud: Des' interaction with AJ does not clear Salami, and therefore you. I'm not sure how you're getting to that conclusion, tbh.

I didn't quote within a text if that's what your saying. As for it being confusing, I'll give a summary of my thoughts when I can get back to a computer. That's what I'll do for the rest too so it's easier to read.

 

A summary of your reads would be great. Thank you.

 

After a second look im starting to think that TG is starting to tunnel on Cloud with a meta as the only thing to back him up. People can switch meta at any point. Salami's push on kay is odd. but it was the first day and i believe there where a few others on her to. cloud is starting to look a little better in my opinion. He has solid defenses and good reads on people that line up. He is also holding up well to the pressure verb and TG are placing on him. Im leaning town on Cloud. it would be good to keep an eye open tho.. Just in case.  

 

 

TLDR: X and TG are scum. Lynch either of them and follow me for the win!

Im not sure about tg it could be town on town.. Havent really heard much from him besides his meta case on cloud. X on the other hand made a pretty big slip IMO in the post above. IN Purple.