[Advanced] Star Wars Thrawn Mafia, Heir To The Empire, Town and 3rd party win

[csarmi]

 

What about Despo, Nolder?

 

 

Salami, who is pinging you hardest atm? Des and Nol?

 

What did you think of Golden's vote on you?

 

Or Turin's vote-and-vanish?

 

 

 

Salami, who is pinging you hardest atm? Des and Nol?

 

What did you think of Golden's vote on you?

 

Or Turin's vote-and-vanish?

Golden's vote is horrible. I think I mentioned it back there. Irony much.

 

Turin's vote and vanish. It sounded pretty OK for me at that point. I could certainly feel the "him Nolder should be voted" breeze in the air when he did.

 

I didn't care for Tina's appearance either

 

 

Hmmm. What worries me about this is Salami voting TG and then forgetting about that completely, not asking anyone about TG ever again? Meanwhile he might be trying to use town Nolder as a springboard to set up a lynch on another probable townie, Despot.

 

He puts FOS on Golden and Tina here, thinks Turin is OK.

 

Weird sequence of posts and conclusions. Exactly how on earth should I have followed up on TG between those posts (you imply that I didn't). He didn't even post in that timeframe.

 

And what does the Nolder/Despo thing do here?

[Tommyrod]

 

Why does people say that Des looks town? He is just making up reasons for voting Csarmi, who is obviously town. 

 

Vote Des

 

Didn´t like TGs fence sitting post.

 

He makes up cases every game.  He's null so far in my eyes.

 

 

Des is no chimneysweep but I've seen Salami as Maf for 2 day ones and both he was far more conservative

 

My meta read and tone read of playing with Salami is obv superior to Des lifetime of Salami play

 

 

Why does people say that Des looks town? He is just making up reasons for voting Csarmi, who is obviously town. 

 

Vote Des

 

Didn´t like TGs fence sitting post.

 

How is Csarmi obviously town - you can't be sure of anyone's alignment.

 

This one doesn't sit well with me.

 

vote tina

 

 

 

 

I can rarely read Des (or anyone else) the first days. A made up case is still a made up case.

Is that scummy though?

 

 

I would say yes. In fact - I´ll say yes. Do you think it´s something townies should do? Do you think it proves Des to be town?

 

I wasn't a fan of Tina's posts back here and I'm still not a fan of them now. She's asked Salami why he claimed right away, says Des is scum for fabricating cases... yet aren't those two sentiments (Salami did something scummy, Des did something scummy, therefore Des is scum for attacking Salami) kind of mutually exclusive at that point in time? Unless she thinks Salami hard claiming for no reason is pro-town, which it isn't... she might just assume it's true if she's scum and knows Salami is not scum though. She also showed zero interesting in engaging Nolder or figuring out what's going on there, as I've said before. Could be good old fashioned scum opportunism.

 

I don't have any meta with Kronos, is he just kind of... level one? He has a point that Salami shouldn't be "obvious town" but his posts are all kinds of meh.

[Tyler Glembo]

You don't get to sit back. You get to respond point-by-point to the post that Despot just made about you.

 

*continues to eat popcorn*

 

Checking in.  Game isn't even half a day old and already almost 10 pages?  This is gonna be fun :-)

 

Only two things worth commenting on.  CS's play is crap, but I'm leaning town because I've seen it from him before.  The spam is over the top tho.

 

Has Tommy played here before?  Because he and Des are tops on my list for scum.  I agree with Nol that posting spammity spam and lurking are anti-town.  Tommy and Des both seem to be purposely misunderstanding what Nol is saying and painting it as a black or white type thing.  Des at least shouldn't be purposely misunderstanding this as he is a DM vet.

 

Just wanna point out what still remains the scummiest OP in the game as well as one of the scummiest posts.

 

Anyways, italics is a prime example of what I was talking about scum would likely do- either distance or stay away from the Nolder train. TG hardcore defends Nolder and fos's me and Tom, saying we're deliberately misunderstanding Nolder. Could easily see scum!TG deciding to do this to try and later use a Nolder flip against us.

 

 

If Nol is being replaced then a Nol lynch is out of question.  Whoever replaces Nol will have to speak up for themselves. 

 

As for my reads, I still don't like where Des has come out.  Monk looks bad after coming in, reading the thread and being able to make the "'Sup" joke but then saying he hadn't read enough to comment.  And I stand by my statement that CS was flooding the thread with crap but that doesn't make him scum.  I have a town read on him.

 

After Nol asks for a replacement, TG comes in and says a Nol lynch is out of the question and that his replacement will have to speak for themselves... looks to me like a scummie trying to save a lynch for later (using the early Nol stuff and replacing out to implicate his replacement at some future day)

 

We can lynch whoever replacing in for Nol, when that happens.   Until then, at least from my experience, the Mod will remove all Nol votes and that slot basically doesn't exist until someone fills it. 

 

If Nol is mafia then I'd say Tina is teammate especially given how she mostly ignored everything about Nol which has comprised most of the game.  I'd lynch at least one of those two for info.

 

Bold: TG links Nolder to Tina here, saying if he flipped mafia she'd be his teammate, thereby potentially setting her up to look better in his eyes with a Nol town flip.

 

Underlined: Lynching "for info" eh? Scum will often push lynches as "info" lynches early on, to try and be on a train while not looking too committed to it.

 

At that point, there was a bit of firing the brush in making it more black and white than it is.  Spammy posting to the point of obscuring the thread and lurking to give no info are both anti-town IMO.  I think Nol is scummy more for his gameplay since (see below) and the Tina/Kronos/Nol interactions than I do for scumhunting in spammers and lurkers.

 

Then again, I'm still pissed that I got lynched D1 last game for just posting a count of low posters to get them to post more and saying that lurking doesn't help town.

 

Main thing I don't like about this post is the last little bit- TG brings up what he did last game (when he was lynched town) in a possible attempt to make himself look townie this game.

 

MOD QUESTION

 

Nol has quit and therefore all votes on Nol are reset, correct?

 

TG possibly playing the "helpful townie" angle

 

Firing the brush to catch slips is one thing.  Purposely taking things out of context, purposely misinterpreting, and purposely pushing people with trumped up cases for the sole purpose of frustrating them is another.  I've never really agreed with your method of scumhunting because your "cases" do more to frustrate than anything else.  Scum, because they are already acting, will have a more reasonable reaction to your purposeful frustration tactics whereas town will get more angry and upset since that is a more honest and natural reaction.  In the end it muddies the water and doesn't help catch scum.  Case in point?  Nolder.  I thought that you were purposely taking it too far and purposely misunderstanding him and that, to me, is either scummy or not good town scumhunting play.  So, that is why I said I didn't like it and I still don't.  His continued play after that gave me a scum lean on him, but the early on stuff by you and Tommy was trumped up and gave me a scum lean on you two for pushing it.

 

What bothers me most about your whole post is this.  You are seeding a reaction.  I said early on that you were pushing a trumped up case.  You yourself admit that you do this often.  Well, I think it's scumtastic and said so.  Your response is to say that I'm laying the groundwork for a future push, thereby trying to future-proof yourself against any scumhunting I do on you throughout the rest of the game.  Then you go through and "analyze" each post with that conclusion in mind, making each post I've written conform to that already reached conclusion.  Moreso, it colors how everyone else is going to read our interactions.  You consistently do stuff like this when you're scum, trying to future-proof yourself against any push on you by discrediting anyone in thread who is suspicious of you.

[Tommyrod]

Weird sequence of posts and conclusions. Exactly how on earth should I have followed up on TG between those posts (you imply that I didn't). He didn't even post in that timeframe.

 

And what does the Nolder/Despo thing do here?

It's not about you not responding in that timeframe, it's about you not following up on your strong suspicion of TG at all for the rest of the game... something you just admitted to me is true.

 

So can I say "reading comprehension fail" back to you?

 

I'm keeping track of your thought process to see if it's scum-driven or not. Still a work in progress. Leaning that it's scummy so far.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

Vote count:

 

 

Des (1) Turin

GE (2) CS, Cory

monk (1) SP

Tommy (1) krak

Tina (2) Pray, des

csarmi (1) tommy

 

Not voting (6)everyone else

 

with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

 

DL is Wed. Feb. 12th at 10 PM EST.

 

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[GoldeneyesND]

Changing my mind about scumlami the more he posts. The above is the first time he mentions voting me because it must be scummy to vote him when it's town-logic fail. Additionally, though I have been attempting to ask questions to elicit answers from players, he states I am not scum hunting, which is patently untrue. To this he insinuates my refusal to engage him is scummy- he knows full well I promised to lay off him and yet uses this as justification for a weak vote and to bait me.  

[Cory Caboose]

too many wolves not enough villagers ATM

 

Tommy took lead.

 

Will try to go through thread but 10 posts per page murders my soul

Golden asked me a question or something - WTL Golden, TG and Tina still or whoever Tommy tells me to

 

WTL Monk for laffs

 

I have no town leans, you are all scum

[Tommyrod]

Ehm... show me any game here at DM where scum has started with a claim (lie detector proof) on day 1. And as other have pointed out, Csarmi usually plays more focused when he is scum.

 

"Scum would never fake claim on Day 1!"

 

 

 

 

 

I can rarely read Des (or anyone else) the first days. A made up case is still a made up case.

Is that scummy though?

 

 

I would say yes. In fact - I´ll say yes. Do you think it´s something townies should do? Do you think it proves Des to be town?

 

I've played with Des five or ten times now, I think

 

He does the over-reaching as either alignment

 

But he seems to not be at all restrained about it here so I'm leaning town

 

I find your stance surprising since you should have even more experience with Des than I do

 

He's hard to read but I didn't expect you to get @ him and not talk about Nolder at all

 

What do you make of the case for Nolder?

 

 

People put Des on their town lists. I have not seen anything that convinces me that he is town. I believe Csarmi to be town and I think Des made a crappy case on him. 

 

Not sure about Nolder. The "vote inactives" is his thing.

 

She seems to suggest Nolder will flip town here... saying that "vote inactives" is his thing is a very flimsy reason to lean town on someone. But then she says she's just flat null on him right after.

 

You don´t believe that Csarmi is town? To me it´s obvious that he is town.

That was @ Kronos of course.

This might actually spew Salami and Kronos clear if Tina is scum.

 

 

Yeah but Des had dat town!passion, you know? It wasn't mechanical. Scum v Town is always logical & mechanical, at least from experience it usually is pretty heavy and Despot is a strong player but it's very hard to fake that effectively.

 

So Tina you are NULL on Nolder?

 

Yeh.

 

bertstare.gif

 

 

 

Why does people say that Des looks town? He is just making up reasons for voting Csarmi, who is obviously town. 

 

Vote Des

 

Didn´t like TGs fence sitting post.

 

How is Csarmi obviously town - you can't be sure of anyone's alignment.

 

This one doesn't sit well with me.

 

vote tina

 

 

This post doesn't sit well with me.  Semantic tells are shown to not work.  You aren't picking at her game or thoughts, you're picking at her phrasing.  unvote vote WBK

 

Tom's town

 

mindmeld 4eva & eva

 

Already know

 

This one makes me laugh because Darthe has Kronos as his top scumread of the moment...

 

All new people confuse me, des is being des and always hard to read, Nolder is being Nolder, Csarmi strikes me as town because of meta, my best read is Tina...yes it's a semantic issue, but I play with what I have.

 

@WBK was that a dark souls 2 image in your siggy line up?

THEN JUST DROPS THE SUBJECT COMPLETELY

 

Darthe pro scum-hunter extraordinaire ITT

[Cory Caboose]

Me and Tommy are fourth-party

 

assume the rest of you are just Mafia and that Nolder was the only villa

[Cory Caboose]

Maybe Puppets and Des

 

gl Puppets and Des

[csarmi]

Tommy, I spoilered your post sequence as I'm describing that below. Guys, Please click on the spoilered part and check the sequence for yourself, it starts here:

 

 

 

 

 

What about Despo, Nolder?

What about him?

 

 

 

So I was at Tina. Didn't like her appearance. Little jab, ignore everything, question me for my claim.

 

Nolder. I'll have to an

 

 

Analyze but he looks sxumny as hell.

 

 

Vote count:

 

Des (1) Cory

Csarmi (3) Des, GE, Nolder

Nolder (3) Tommy, darthe, peace

TG (1) csarmi

 

 

Not voting (8): everyone else

 

No DL yet.

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

 

 

*cough*

 

 

Still at Tom.

 

Despo looks townie.

 

Nolder looks bad.

 

Golden, Tina, TG scummy feel.

 

Gut says TG is scum strongly for that post I referenced earlier but definitely low data.

 

Having a lot of trouble following Fishlami now. Despite Des getting at him pretty hard, he's had Des as town the entire time, but is asking Nolder if he thinks Des is suspicious? I don't get that, but anyway, he thinks Golden, Tina and TG are scummy for vague reasons. He strongly feels TG is scum but isn't doing anything to push that by this point. His vote is there, but he's not trying to convince anyone.

 

I think it's possible all 3 people on the Salami wagon at that point are town. Nolder has me, Darthe, and Peace on it. Turin would have been on it if his vote had been formatted correctly. Something to keep an eye on.

 

 

 

Actually I tried spoilering the inside of it and it just didn't work, also here is the link btw to Tommy's post: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/87452-advanced-star-wars-thrawn-mafia-heir-to-the-empire-day-2/page-59?do=findComment&comment=3156882

 

The most likely cause of your confusion here (which Despo noted later too, but he even tried to completely misread the sequence is that you're connecting stuff that have nothing to do with one another.

 

Here, I'll fix it for you:

 

1) I question Nolder about Despo (don't remember exactly why, I think it was because he seemed to be ignoring him or smth). The main thing about it that I was interested how he would react on this. He just dismissed the question by asking back.

 

2) You're asking me about my pings (speccifically Despo and Golden and Turin) and I give you this answer (in several parts cause phone DM was completely acting up and ate my posts a few times):

 

Golden's vote is horrible. I think I mentioned it back there. Irony much.

Turin's vote and vanish. It sounded pretty OK for me at that point. I could certainly feel the "him Nolder should be voted" breeze in the air when he did.

I didn't care for Tina's appearance either.

So I was at Tina. Didn't like her appearance. Little jab, ignore everything, question me for my claim.

Nolder. I'll have to an... Analyze but he looks sxumny as hell.

 

(Please note that later Despo quotes this post of yours and tries to read this as if I was talking about HIM looking bad. <-- second part of this http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/87452-advanced-star-wars-thrawn-mafia-heir-to-the-empire-day-2/page-59?do=findComment&comment=3156898)

 

Still at Tom: Despo looks townie. Nolder looks bad. Golden, Tina, TG scummy feel. Gut says TG is scum strongly for that post I referenced earlier but definitely low data.

[csarmi]

And this damned spoiler thing took 20 mins lol. Sorry I couldn't make it better.

[csarmi]

OK, multiquote posts are killing me.

[Krakalakachkn]

 

 

 

 

 

I think I done plenty on D1 considering that yes my plan is to float around mostly. Maybe catch some scum in the process.

I pointed out stuff that stood out to me.

As for Nolder, you could see my stance on him.

Where should I have ended up voting?

...for someone you thought was scum?! You didn't vote for Golden, for Tina, for TG... all people you said were sketchtastic.

I was voting TG up to the point I intent'ed Nolder?

You wanna call me out because people decided they should hammer Nolder on the middle of the night? What's your point? I think its quite evident where I ended up isn't it?

Naw man, you can't use "intent to hammer" as evidence of where you ended up. That's a facile argument intended to misdirect.

Oh yes I can. In fact I am. I made it perfectly clear where I was. Unvoted my TG and I said I'm ready to hammer NolderX. You can't read that as vague.

I'm not calling your use of words vague, I'm saying that your play is misdirecting. Intent to hammer on a train that's obviously going to lynch isn't as concrete as an actual hammer, and anyone can jump on the tail end of an obvious lynch, that doesn't provide actual information about how you felt either way.

 

 

It's all about consolidation, you feel me?

[Tommyrod]

 

Tina give Nolder a null read for being on his meta.

 

Tina votes Despo for being on his meta.

 

Yup, Tina/Nolder scum team.

 

Meta has nothing to do with my vote on Des.

 

 

Really weak response

 

 

Tina give Nolder a null read for being on his meta.

 

Tina votes Despo for being on his meta.

 

Yup, Tina/Nolder scum team.

Mafia is easy

 

 

 

It is.  Let's lynch them one at a time though to see who they most want to night kill.

 

Darthe was thinking Nolder/Tina scumteam and I agreed at the time

 

It's unfortunate Nolder was so terribad but Tina could be the scum we're looking for

 

Csarmi, please explain the logic behind character claiming for no reason. I'm genuinely interested. "Why not" and "because I felt like it" are not answers.

Please try and get your footing under you this game, if not you're just spamming nonsense.

 

Good man

 

 

Catching up

 

I can help.

 

DES WOT:

 

WOT incoming:

 

I hate this

 

I hate that

 

joke hahahahahahaha   

 

Oh DARTHE

 

 

Honestly?

 

scummy scummy scummy

 

 

this post was bad and so was this

 

 

Quote x1billion

 

       

 

boom, game cracked

 

inb4 darthescum obvscum trolloc woot woot

 

/Des'd

 

This is still the post of the game lol 

 

 

Hi puppets!  Just a heads up you'll get in trouble around here for calling people things like retarded.  It isn't enough to get you banned unless you do it regularly but it is generally pretty frowned upon.  I wouldn't edit it without mod consent but keep it in mind.

Noted. so, who're your scum leans at the moment? I'm so confused by Csarmi's behavior but people have brought up others as well. Monk's joke OP was a bit off-putting especially since that doesn't seem like his kind of thing to do

 

 

I think this is a townish post for SockPippets. Not clearing him yet, but it's a good sign as far as he is concerned 

 

Okay I think Fishlami may be spewed clear by Tina if Tina is scum, and there's more to suggest Tina is scum than Fishlami is scum as of this second

 

Unvote Salami

 

Vote Tina

[csarmi]

Tommy- Top 3 scum and town reads?

 

Salami- kindly explain how you argue I do nothing, yet you don't answer any of my questions

Cause you aren't asking me questions that needs an answer maybe?

 

You asked me why I char claimed (out of the blue btw). As I've answered that previously, there was nothing to say to this.

 

You asked my three top reads. I gav e you one already (me) and I said i thought SP was scum. Didn't change.

 

You're doing nothign as in you aren't giving anything to us, just do some fake-scumhunting here and there. That won't cut it.

 

---

 

Later you mentioned I never said I thought your vote on me was scummy?

Skimming much? Fail.

[Cory Caboose]

Vote Tina

[Cory Caboose]

Unvote Monk

Vote Tina

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

 

Tommy- Top 3 scum and town reads? Salami- kindly explain how you argue I do nothing, yet you don't answer any of my questions

Cause you aren't asking me questions that needs an answer maybe?You asked me why I char claimed (out of the blue btw). As I've answered that previously, there was nothing to say to this.You asked my three top reads. I gav e you one already (me) and I said i thought SP was scum. Didn't change.You're doing nothign as in you aren't giving anything to us, just do some fake-scumhunting here and there. That won't cut it.

---

Later you mentioned I never said I thought your vote on me was scummy?Skimming much? Fail.

MODSPEAK

 

YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED TO BE SILENT ON THREAD.

 

DO NOT POST AGAIN UNTIL BASEL ALLOWS YOU TO.

[Tommyrod]

As of this second, people who are good scum candidates:

Tina

TG

Maybe Salami

 

People I would not lynch today:

Despot

Cory

Monk

Golden

SickPuppets

 

People I need to keep developing, in order of high to low suspicion of them:

Turin
AJ/Hallia

Kronos

Darthe/Krak

Pral

 

I'm sure someone will ask "why those people?" I'll try to consolidate my thoughts in the next few hours, a lot of it is still gut and tone based stuff as I've been focusing on a couple players more than the rest 

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

Vote count:

 

Des (1) Turin

GE (1) CS

monk (1) SP

Tommy (1) krak

Tina (4) Pray, des, tommy, Cory

 

Not voting everyone else

 

with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

 

DL is Wed. Feb. 12th at 10 PM EST.

[Tommyrod]

Tina wagon looks clean

 

[Tommyrod]

Krak, make sure to pick an actual wagon with actual reasoning for today 

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

if I've missed any votes, let me know.

 

FYI GE has asked to be replaced and will be subbed today.

 

I'm wiping the votes on him immediately to avoid misunderstandings.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

Vote count:

 

Des (1) Turin

monk (1) SP

Tommy (1) krak

Tina (4) Pray, des, tommy, Cory

 

Not voting everyone else

 

with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

 

DL is Wed. Feb. 12th at 10 PM EST.