[Basic] The Matrix - Game Over

[Niniel]

I think the miller role has been explained before. It´s a town role that looks mafia if viewed by cop. 

[Luciena]

  On 2/6/2014 at 8:55 PM, TinaHel said:

We are five players left, it´s day 5 and you decide to make a joke vote? 

 

I  felt it added flavour to the game, I'm not feeling it for some reason, he voted me I voted him no big deal. No one is lynching Darthe anyway. I keep feeling like he's not in the mood to play hence I thought it might cheer him up. Cheer up Darthe? :D

  On 2/6/2014 at 8:56 PM, TinaHel said:

I think the miller role has been explained before. It´s a town role that looks mafia if viewed by cop. 

I got that, Darthe has given up though. Even though he's town his impassivity is not really doing us any favours.

[Niniel]

I agree with you about that. Although he is voting you of course.... :p

[Niniel]

Where is X? 

[Luciena]

Probably in school. I keep forgetting they're 5 hours behind lol

[Darthe]

Oh do I need to do more?  Frankly your bickering is not something I am interested in jumping into because I think that I am the only player of the five alive that has played a clean enough game to still be here.  Mafia has made some good NK choices.  Statistically speaking I would vote Des or Luci over Tina or X.  However Luci is the one that imo deserves the most attention.  I say we pressure each person one at a time and see what sorts of reactions we get.  

 

Also... Need to do a VC analysis.

[Luciena]

I resent that I do not bicker.

 

I found the time to respond I responded. I had several people voicing concerns over my participation. Since Nol doesn't want this to run into the weekend I thought I'd best get in and add my two pennies worth. You played a clean game (so you say, doesn't look much different to other games I've been in with you tbh) because you claimed miller from the start. I think it's the only reason you got this far without being lynched imo. 

[Darthe]

I would think it odd if you resented your own bickering so yeah.

[Darthe]

Tina

 

Luci

 

X

 

Des

 

 

 

Each of you please write a two paragraph summary of why exactly you are town and should be considered town in this game.  I want links and descriptive facts of what you have done to help the town, not "I think I have shown blah blah blah".  Then please summerize the other three players in three to four sentences.

[Luciena]

I will be running for a bus before deadline. 

 

I'm Vanilla.

 

I have not been on any town lynches, the ones that were lynched were the ones I read as town. Xthrax is town in my humble opinion. Tina is as scummy as they come. Was voting Tina after Err was killed. I'll go with what Err said, Tina Tina Tina. I've been gunning for Tina since I joined pretty much, have voted for her before now. 

 

Des has picked up his game I agree on his posts about Tina, and I am kind of leaning towards trusting him more. As much as you can trust anyone in this game anyway.

 

Mister Darthe is being Mister Darthe. 

 

Good night everyone. 

[Darthe]

Alright, thank you for your input.

 

Next.  

 

I know that at least three people have viewed this by now.  That is not a good sign.  

[hazelkrs1]

  On 2/6/2014 at 7:26 PM, TinaHel said:

I´m not frozen but I am freezing. :D

 

Let´s see if I can answer some of that. Des - I´m town and I think you are making the mistake of reading too much into my posts. Being wrong is not the same as being scum. A lot of what you look at has to do with day 1 when we didn´t have much information. I´ve changed my reads many times since then. 

 

First  - I don´t like your comment about bad sportsmanship. I did not comment on what Basel said in his post (that Kronos should take care of himself) but what he didn´t say in a long time. He obviously followed along but didn´t comment on all the things that were going on. It feels really weird that you try to make this into something negative.

 

Sorry but whether you're town or mafia (most likely mafia), I felt it to be bad sportsmanship to fos Basel for the post he made. Basel isn't one who always comments on the big stuff, he usually goes off on his own to try and find stuff. Either way you WERE fos'ing his comment where he was trying to wish someone well, acting like he had time to say that but not comment on more stuff. FOS'ing someone for that kind of comment really means people would even have to watch their back when they're trying to wish well for others, and they shouldn't have to be watching their back for those type of posts.

 

  On 2/6/2014 at 7:26 PM, TinaHel said:

Second - it sounds like you know how I play, when in fact you don´t know. "Whoever said it" means that I have a bad memory. Me appologizing for not playing more = ehm... appologizing for not playing more. We have played many games together and you should know both of this. If you don´t do then don´t make up this kind of stuff.

 

You can say you don't remember who said it, that doesn't mean we have to believe you. The fact that it WAS AJ who said that, and said it recently yet you tried acting like you didn't remember is quite scummy to me. And apologizing for your lack of play, that is something I have said before about your scum meta, and been right before. Would you like me to quote examples from other games?

 

And lol I KNEW you were prob fuming in your QT about how I was making stuff up about your meta. No wonder AJ asked me about it more.

 

  On 2/6/2014 at 7:26 PM, TinaHel said:

Third - again: having conflicted reads on day 1 is not strange. Nor is it scummy.

 

This isn't rocket science. Townies shouldn't have conflicted reads unless they can rationalize them out somehow. You couldn't, because they were scummy conflicted reads. Townie reads aren't often conflicted because they're genuinely following what they see, and what they see doesn't often send them in two different directions. If it does, it's remarkable to them, not commonplace.

 

  On 2/6/2014 at 7:26 PM, TinaHel said:

Fourth - AJ did defend me a  lot. Can´t change that and can´t defend it.

 

He didn't just defend you. He waffled on you a lot, going from defending you, to saying you had a connection to scum!Theo, to downplaying that connection, to putting you on his suspect list, to hardcore defending you. That kind of interaction from a scummer can't be defended against, you're right.

 

  On 2/6/2014 at 7:26 PM, TinaHel said:

Fifth - it´s funny that you choose to see my vote on Theo as something scummy. You also think it´s scummy that I changed my mind about you. 

 

Where did I say your vote on Theo was scummy? I never said anything about that. And yes, I think it's scummy that you wanted me lynched till I said my read on you had changed somewhat, then all of a sudden you didn't want me lynched. Kinda funny cause you also never had a problem with AJ defending you, yet in the past when town I've seen you call others out for buddying or for changing their reads without explanation, yet here you did not question either.

 

  On 2/6/2014 at 7:26 PM, TinaHel said:

Sixth - I don´t know why you are calling Luci low hanging fruit.

 

Because she's a player that replaced in, hasn't been super active, and is relatively new to mafia still. All those things mean she is less qualified to defend herself from her position than most.

 

Fyi you also ignored a TON of points I raised against you. Answer the rest. If you don't, I consider that a scumclaim. 

 

  On 2/6/2014 at 8:55 PM, TinaHel said:

We are five players left, it´s day 5 and you decide to make a joke vote?

 

Oh come on. Trying to make her look worse for a joke vote that actually was more for pressure, not to joke necessarily at all. Kinda like how you tried making that one vote from me earlier look like an omgus vote when it was anything but. You're flying your scum colors proud Tina. 

 

  On 2/6/2014 at 9:19 PM, Darthe said:

Oh do I need to do more?  Frankly your bickering is not something I am interested in jumping into because I think that I am the only player of the five alive that has played a clean enough game to still be here.  Mafia has made some good NK choices.  Statistically speaking I would vote Des or Luci over Tina or X.  However Luci is the one that imo deserves the most attention.  I say we pressure each person one at a time and see what sorts of reactions we get.  

 

Also... Need to do a VC analysis.

 

Dude you disgust me so much. You haven't played clean, you've played lazy and mafia was never going to NK you with a miller claim. It's not that you're not interested in bickering, you're not interested in truly reading the thread.

 

And fyi we don't really have time to spread votes around a bunch. In case you missed it, Nol said deadline was tonight.

 

  On 2/6/2014 at 10:05 PM, Darthe said:

Tina

 

Luci

 

X

 

Des

 

 

 

Each of you please write a two paragraph summary of why exactly you are town and should be considered town in this game.  I want links and descriptive facts of what you have done to help the town, not "I think I have shown blah blah blah".  Then please summerize the other three players in three to four sentences.

 

Oh GODDDDDD Darthe you frustrate the freaking hell out of me. If your lazy ass actually read the thread you'd not have to ask others to state their towniness, you'd be able to see it for your freaking self. And if you read my recent wots, you'd know what I'm about to say.

 

AJ and Theo both fos'd and voted for me earlier in the game. AJ and Tina tried getting me lynched before Theo ever got revealed as scum, and Theo was nudging the case on me the entire time. Earlier in the game I didn't have as much time to case, but I constantly applied my vote where I saw fit to either catch scum or generate pressure that would be useful for town, and I have generally always made my reasoning clear. Once I got more time, I devoted myself to finding and catching scum with multiple rereads and careful analysis. Recently I even helped provide some good evidence for others to analyze in the VC's pre-reveal each day.

 

Additionally I also showed in my wot that I think I knew who GE viewed N3, and that I think it was me. The last thing he said about me before that night was something along the lines of "I don't think this is the town Despo we all (love)... something...", then the next morning he said he had a town read on me. This obv doesn't prove myself to be town since their could be a GF, but GE himself didn't seem to think I'd be a GF at least and thought Tina was more likely for that.

 

Thoughts on others:

 

Tina - scum. She has had sketchy opportunistic voting patterns, pretty much every person she's fos'd or voted (besides cop reveals) has flipped town, admitted to having conflicted reads, had scummy interaction with both known scum, including getting defended by both before they were outed, is on her scum meta, and every person that started saying we should lynch Tina next has died the next night (Err, GE).

 

Luci - eh. Hasn't contributed a ton but when she has she at least made her reasoning a little more clear. AJ fos'd her but buddied her in the same motion (when he agreed with her reasoning against me), which makes me think it's more likely that he was trying to manipulate a townie instead of interact with a teammate.

 

X - town to me on reread. Looks like misguided town more than scum, defended a lot of people that were in the spotlight day 1, including Theo. The fact that he defended just about anyone that got fos'd early on excuses his defense of Theo somewhat imo. He's also shown his reasoning and willingness to contribute and find scum throughout the game.

 

Darthe - town, altho on your lazy town meta yet again. Your tone has been inquisitive throughout the game because you have more often than not been confused about where we were supposed to be looking. I think you prob expected to get lynched early on in the game after claiming miller, which at least partially explains the fact that you've been somewhat lost at times this game and the fact that you didn't put forth as much effort.

[Darthe]

Totally expected to get lynched, you got that in 1.  Yeah I should probably read this thing eventually.  You know, without skimming.

[hazelkrs1]

Just at least read my wot's on Tina. You're good at spotting my fake wot's as scum, and a good appraiser of my cases in general. If you still think she's town after reading them carefully, well then... /shrug

[Niniel]

So we failed to get a lynch? X just disappeared. 

[Niniel]

Yes Des, you did a very long post about me. I answered what I thought was most important. 

 

And yes, Darthe should actually try to play this game. 

[hazelkrs1]

Meh. Don't really care much about the game at this point. I'm stuck with Darthe who is perpetually lazy and non-committal lately, Luci who is lovely but inexperienced and had to replace in, Xthrax who is God knows where, scum who won't respond to the majority of my case on them, and a mod who'd rather just end this game as soon as possible than give town a fighting chance to actually secure a lynch. GG to me.

[Xthrax]

My bad, guys. I had practical exams in school and was busy studying for that. I was reading through my phone, but then you can't really post properly from it. 

[Nolder]

Votecount

Luci - Darthe, Tina (2)

Tina - Des, Luci (2)

 

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. 

 

Deadline: Thursday 10PM PST

 

Final votecount but you guys didn't make the cut.

It is now night, send in actions pls.

[Nolder]

  On 2/7/2014 at 7:09 AM, Despothera said:

Meh. Don't really care much about the game at this point. I'm stuck with Darthe who is perpetually lazy and non-committal lately, Luci who is lovely but inexperienced and had to replace in, Xthrax who is God knows where, scum who won't respond to the majority of my case on them, and a mod who'd rather just end this game as soon as possible than give town a fighting chance to actually secure a lynch. GG to me.

Quit your bitching.

The cop dominated the mafia team early and they've been playing catchup ever since.

A kill isn't going to hurt you, it only makes your chances of catching mafia better at this point.

[Niniel]

Oh, forgot that there were no random mod kills in this game. 

[Xthrax]

So there have been a lot of posts from where I was absent. First thing is Darthe's vote on Luci? Why? Luci has been posting less considerably, it maybe due to RL. But you haven't listed a reason why? You keep on saying, she deserves more attention-state your reasoning.

 

Luci's return vote on him was in response to his. It was a pressure as well as a joke vote by her 

[hazelkrs1]

  On 2/7/2014 at 7:36 AM, Nolder said:

 

  On 2/7/2014 at 7:09 AM, Despothera said:

Meh. Don't really care much about the game at this point. I'm stuck with Darthe who is perpetually lazy and non-committal lately, Luci who is lovely but inexperienced and had to replace in, Xthrax who is God knows where, scum who won't respond to the majority of my case on them, and a mod who'd rather just end this game as soon as possible than give town a fighting chance to actually secure a lynch. GG to me.

Quit your bitching.

The cop dominated the mafia team early and they've been playing catchup ever since.

A kill isn't going to hurt you, it only makes your chances of catching mafia better at this point.

 

 

Screw off dude. You set an unreasonable deadline. Your game will shortly start suffering for it. Enjoy your emorage moment.

[hazelkrs1]

Someone explain to me again why I keep giving this guy second and third chances?

 

Seriously if I ever say I'm gonna sign up for a Nolderp game again, someone kick me in the shins till they bleed.

[Nolder]

  On 2/7/2014 at 7:48 AM, Despothera said:

Someone explain to me again why I keep giving this guy second and third chances?

 

Seriously if I ever say I'm gonna sign up for a Nolderp game again, someone kick me in the shins till they bleed.

Here I'll save you some trouble.

 

Des, Apoc, Vanilla has been modkilled

 

Don't bother signing up for my games anymore.

You're not welcome.