[Advanced] Settlers of Catan Mafia - Game Over

[Nolder]

Votecount

Pralaya - Ishy, Goldeneyes, (2)

Andrej - Verbal (1)

 

Not voting: Andrej, Des, Wombat, BFG, Pralaya

 

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[Andrej]

If I die, Verbal did it.

 

If Darthe dies, Leelou did it.

 

If Despo dies, Nolder did it.

 

If Verbal dies, Ishy did it.

 

If Leelou dies, Despo did it.

 

If Ishy dies, whoever let him sleep on his back did it.

 

This is brought up later again by a few players, but I figured I'd bring it to light again. Observe. Darthe was NK'd, so by Wombat's logic here it was done by Leelou/GE. I'll touch on this later.

 

Ishy, Mafia Roleblocker, has been modkilled

 

:/

 

lol. Worth mentioning though

 

Ok guys, so I did a 3 hour delta wave meditation session and after I was done, I figured out one of the mafia.

 

 

unvote

Vote: Leelou

 

She's been fake scumhunting.

 

Getting back to the first point. This was after the exchanges with Cloud/BH/Leelou. Wombat comes back saying that he figured out Leelou is mafia.

 

 

 

She's been fake scumhunting.

 

fake scumhunting?

 

to be fair, that is what we are all doing....

 

 

No.  I do real scumhunting.  Watch.

 

 

This comment stands out in retrospect. Thus far it seems Wombat has cased only people who have subsequently flipped Town, including our Doc who was forced to claim.

 

Votecount

Cloud - Verbal, Andrej (2)

Leelou - Wombat, Blackhoof (2)

Blackhoof - Leelou(1)

Darthe - Cloud (1)

No Lynch - Darthe (1)

 

Not voting: Despothera, Pralaya, BFG, Ishy 

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

I grabbed VCs as I was going back through the game just to reference where the votes are being placed.

 

Vote Leroy.

 

Competing trains and whatnot.

 

 

 

Vote Leroy.

Competing trains and whatnot.

 

Why not Cloud or Hoof?

I'm playing "Follow the Marsupial."

 

 

These sound be noted. Ishy has been placing a lot of votes this game without really offering explanation. Coasting.

 

Oh yeah. Aggressive Day 1 Leelou is usually a scum Leelou

 

vote Leelou

 

This is when Pral starts his 3 day bender of Leelou/GE tunneling. I grabbed this to show that he hasn't been doing it at random.

 

 

 

 

 

We need a deadline.

Scum Verbal asking for an early deadline is scum. You did the same thing in Darthe's METAL game

Eventually you'll learn that people can break & manipulate meta. That's why you shouldn't scumhunt with it. Better come correct, or not at all.

Uh... If youre saying youre abusing your meta, then how is Cloud not coming "correct"? You didn't correct him about your meta, you accepted the meta read as spot on but dismissed it.

 

 

Vote Verbal

 

 

Despo's vote on Verb. The reasoning seems legit enough.

[Andrej]

 

 

Votecount
Cloud - Verbal, Andrej (2)
Blackhoof - Cloud(1)
Verbal - Des (1)
No Lynch - Darthe (1)
 
Not voting: Pralaya, BFG, Ishy, Goldeneyes, Wombat, Blackhoof
 
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Note: Leelou's vote and all votes on Leelou have been reset to "not voting"

 

It's at this point the Leelou subs out and GE steps in. She had 3 votes. Hoof, Wombat and Ishy I believe (in that particular order)

 

 

Just finished re-skimming 10 pages of people posting self-congratulatory high fives at how witty smart they believe they are. Despite all of these useful posts, I will

vote Pralaya for the following reasons:

1. Inactivity is at best an anti-town move
2. Pral was almost just almost removed from the game by the mod for inactivity 
3. Pral failed to show up in Day 1 of the last game I played in. Town lynched his lover and we went down 2 players right off the bat. He could have at least shown up and voted for someone else or defended in that game but he didn't. He's following the same pattern of inactivity here and I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

 

GE comes in and votes Pral. Could be seen as OMGUS but here his reasoning, although I disagree with, seems like he means it. It also shows a perfect example why his vote was basically useless. If you're going to vote someone based on their activity level and then use an example where they did a same thing as Town is sort of counter-productive. You should also be hunting scum, not inactives. More on this later.

 

Vote: Blackhoof

 

Remember how Wombat has Leelou pegged for scum? Well, she's gone and instead of replacing his vote on that slot he moves elsewhere to BH.

 

Let's even up those trains.

Vote Hoof.

 

Ishy follows again.

 

Votecount
Cloud - Verbal, Andrej, Blackhoof (3)
Blackhoof - Cloud, Wombat, Ishy (3)
Verbal - Des (1)
Pralaya - Goldeneyes (1)
No Lynch - Darthe (1)
 
Not voting: Pralaya, BFG
 
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

So Leelou is gone, who at the time was the biggest train, so Dumb and Dumber move their votes onto BH and make him the largest train.

 

Unvote. Vote Cloud.

 

This was getting close to DL, so meh. Should be noted though. Mafia are just as concerned as getting lynches secured as Town will be, especially when they know they are lynching Town.

 

Unvote, Vote Cloud

 

Gonna wait and rant @ Nolder later on. This is the last game of his I'll sign up for tho I think. Were screwed with such a short deadline.

 

Same could be said of Despo.

 

As usual, you didn't bother to show up before the deadline Pral. Enough said.

 

I didn't vote for either of the trains because there was little to no real information on them imo and I'd rather have people here who contribute than someone who drops in every couple days, makes 3-4 posts and then disappears again. Weaksauce explanation.

 

GE harping on the inactivity thing again.

 

It means I was not present to make observations at the time the comments were made. I didn't agree with the train on Cloud and frankly, I didn't really understand the one on you all that much. Maybe there are some "tells" I was supposed to pick up on that would lead me to agree you two were scum, but I didn't. I literally had no reads.

The rules states that there would be no modkill if we didn't vote for someone and I just joined today. Since we had already lost one town I thought it more prudent to just let night come rather than jump on a train for the heck of it and risk a mislynch. And I wasn't wrong, I didn't vote Cloud and he turned out to be town. Though the fact that Ishy was annoyed I wouldn't jump on a train gives me my first scummy read.

 

I realize BFG didn't vote either, but I'm still salty with Pral over his inactivity in our last game. If getting mad at me prompts his activity in this one and my vote woke him up, good. If he remains active tomorrow, then I won't vote for him on that basis. 

 

Some have pointed out where GE here could be trying to take Town cred for Cloud's lynch since he avoided it though. I still think his reasons for going after Pral are bad but again he remains consistent.

 

 

 

:feels left out:

 

 

Sorry, I haven't played with you so I can't predict who would kill you.  I might be able to tell a few days in though.

 

 

This was in response to Wombat's N0 post where he said who would the culprit be if certain people died... this could be nothing, but Wombat automatically assuming BFG COULD be killed, meaning she'd be town, could be a slip.

 

Kinda doubt that Wombat would slip like that as scum tho, and overall I get a town vibe from him. Either way, thought worth pointing out.

 

I like this post from Despo.

 

[Andrej]

 

 

Vote: Verbal

 

Has Verbal done anything besides defending himself with meta, picking fights, and asking for a deadline early D1?

 

Opens D2 voting Verb.

 

I could vote GE, Pray or BFG. All three seemed content to see that we didn't secure a lynch yesterday.

 

Ishy stating who he could vote in regards to avoiding lynches. Like I stated earlier, it's also in Mafia's interests to secure lynches. Especially when they disguise their late bandwagon votes and call them 'consolidation' *cough*

 

unvote

Vote: Blackhoof

 

 

And FoS Des for opportunism and AtE.

 

Shifts to BH and FoS Des for joining him on the Verb wagon.

 

Vote Hoof.

 

Lol... and we have the tag-along again.

 

Quick breakdown of Verbal's game since he disagrees with Wombat's accusation that he's not really playing much

20 posts total

8 jokes

1 request for a deadline

5 posts defending himself

5 posts of gameplay

 

...

 

So, game-related posts run about 50% with half of those dedicated to self preservation. Fair enough, but every scum read he gets comes from someone who has a scum read on him. Wombat, Des and Hoof all got a scum read on Verbal and he accuses them all at one point in time or another of being scummy. 

 

I really don't like the "you'll see I was right all along when I flip" argument (#4 in defensive posts section) and he manages to attempt a posthumous link between himself to Darthe when calling out Hoof. 

 

Vote Verbal

 

^^^

 

Eh? That looked a bit forced to enter the train. You basically have one or two points against Verbal, which is fair enough, but the whole first part of that case was pointless. Looks more like you wanted to add text to make it look serious and compelling. But, basically fluff.

 

Just reinforces my previous suspcion

 

vote GoldenEyes

 

GE votes Verb after doing an ISO, pointing out his reasons for voting. Pral comes in immediately after, calls the case fluff and then votes GE again. At this point I'm leaning more Pral to be scum.

 

Despo and Hoof.  Book it.

 

Probably AJ too.

 

Try again.

 

 

Despo and Hoof. Book it.

You've convinced me you're town for now. As I said either you or Des, I'm going with Des as scum.....with Hoof, but I already called that one.

Still with Pral or Golden for #3.

 

 

You know Wombat better than I do. Can you explain how you came to this conclusion?

 

Although I won't deny that GE is a player than needs some pressure. Hoof is just obvious scum and needs to be the priority.

 

Nudges at GE a bit here.

 

I'm worried that Hoof is 'too obvious' if there's such a thing.

 

Doesn't he hold the crown for D1 lynches? Or is that Cloud or Ley? 

 

Seriously though, I'm comfortable lynching Hoof over Verb with his soft and then Doc claim. But if Hoof flips Town I am getting bad vibes from you my friend.

 

You seem to be playing the same way I just watched you play as scum in my WD game.

 

QFMFT. This was to Ishy in regards to Hoof's lynch.

 

Unvote Verbal

I'm unwilling to test if he's lying about being the Doc.

 

I already stated he was my next scum read:

Vote Hoof

 

Hammers Hoof. Same reason I did for voting Hoof, at least in the regards to avoiding the Verb wagon.

 

Ishy is so town he doesn't even need to towntell.

 

I'd like to hear this explanation too.

 

Vote Pral.

 

This is today after Pral comes in and votes GE. Again no reason, no nothing. Another thing to be mentioned in regards to this vote was him saying that BFG would be the lynch for today. Yet, no case or no vote.

 

[Andrej]

I decided just to spoiler the rest of that shiz. I had to break it up into 3 pieces

 

TL;DR

 

Verb is our claimed-Doc. Nuff said there, also good save.

I'm leaning more Town on BFG today as she seems to be digging in and looking for stuff, which I am familiar with her doing as a Town player.

Between the Pral and GE thing, I'm beginning to lean Town again with GE. His reasoning is consistent when it comes to Pral and although I don't agree with it (should be trying to hunt scum, not lynch inactives) he has made a few good posts and is at least participating vs. Pral who is hanging on the outskirts and tunneling since D1 on Leelou/GE's slot.

Despo I am sort of leaning Town on. I like some of his posts after going back through and he is bringing up little details that others would likely have missed. He is paying attention and searching for clues. Good vibes.

Ishy is coasting like I saw him do as scum in my game. I think he's our best bet today.

Wombat I am starting to lean scum for a few different things. Most is circumstantial based on who he has cased on how they turned up, but there are also a few inconsistencies.

 

vote Ishy

[Andrej]

No lynch gets us nowhere, Wombat.  We just give scum a shot tonight - they will probably hit a townie unless I win the WIFOM battle again.

 

Then tomorrow we are at the exactly same place - best case scenario.  Worst case, we're down a townie....potentially the Doc.  ;-)

 

I say we lynch today.  I'm cool with a mass claim, though.

 

I'm Doc.  Who's next?

 

My life is akin to Dap's.

 

 

Boring.

 

[WWWwombat]

No lynch gets us nowhere, Wombat.  We just give scum a shot tonight - they will probably hit a townie unless I win the WIFOM battle again.

 

Then tomorrow we are at the exactly same place - best case scenario.  Worst case, we're down a townie....potentially the Doc.  ;-)

 

I say we lynch today.  I'm cool with a mass claim, though.

 

I'm Doc.  Who's next?

 

That's garbage and you know it.  If it's 5-3 and we mislynch, we lose.  If it's 5-3 and we no lynch, we force scum to kill a townie and give any town PRs more time.  We head into the next day at 4-3 instead of 5-3, putting us at LyLo and improving our odds of lynching scum.

 

Also, your "best case scenario" is remarkably unimaginative.  Mine would involve you making a doc save and/or an investigator getting a guilty.

 

I'm down for a mass claim, but only if we get a consensus.  I'm not revealing unless we're doing it 100%

[John E. Kelley]

I'm fine with claiming. Someone already knows what I am.

[Andrej]

Mason or Mafia?

[John E. Kelley]

Mason or Mafia?

Neither. Nor Lovers.

[Andrej]

Gotcha.

 

unvote

[Andrej]

Hmmm I had a brain fart earlier. The theory my mind mashed together quickly based on the lack of a NK made me think what you said more or less made you conf-Town as if Verb had protected you. But, there's no way you'd know that.

 

There aren't any other roles outside of the ones already mentioned (that I can think of) besides Neighbors where someone else would know what you are. I'm curious as to what you'll actually claim.

[John E. Kelley]

That you can think of being the key part of your statement.

[Andrej]

Lol I would agree.

 

I'm having a movie night with the lady so no time to look at the Wiki.

 

I was just bugged out earlier cause it keeps nagging at me

[John E. Kelley]

Well, if everyone will hurry up and decide whether they want to reveal or not, then I can let you and everyone else know. Like I said, I have no problem revealing and there's someone who can verify my role as well. Just as I can verify theirs.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay caught up. Haven't done a reread yet tho, I want to do one later tonight.

 

However, I wanted to weigh in really quick on the no lynch/mass claim thing- personally, I'm for the no lynch, against the mass claim. And that's because a mass claim would COMPLETELY nullify the advantage obtained from a no lynch. Think about it- once all the town PR's are outed, the odds are that much better that scum would be able to tamper with their NA's somewhat, so there's a good chance we'd come out of night in no better position tomorrow after a no lynch, and we might be down one more townie.

 

Even if we didn't no lynch, I still wouldn't want to mass claim btw. There's no guarantee it would conclusively lead to catching scum, and it would out our PR's and make it harder for them to help us, and it would allow scum to manipulate and distract town while getting more info. If it was a Basic game, I might view it differently, but in this case there's too many options for scum to fake claim.

 

Major FOS @ Wombat however, for earlier proposing a no lynch or mass claim (which would make some sense, even if I didn't personally agree with the mass claim part). And yet, after Verbal questions him about it, Wombat responds here:

 

 

No lynch gets us nowhere, Wombat.  We just give scum a shot tonight - they will probably hit a townie unless I win the WIFOM battle again.

 

Then tomorrow we are at the exactly same place - best case scenario.  Worst case, we're down a townie....potentially the Doc.  ;-)

 

I say we lynch today.  I'm cool with a mass claim, though.

 

I'm Doc.  Who's next?

 

That's garbage and you know it.  If it's 5-3 and we mislynch, we lose.  If it's 5-3 and we no lynch, we force scum to kill a townie and give any town PRs more time.  We head into the next day at 4-3 instead of 5-3, putting us at LyLo and improving our odds of lynching scum.

 

Also, your "best case scenario" is remarkably unimaginative.  Mine would involve you making a doc save and/or an investigator getting a guilty.

 

I'm down for a mass claim, but only if we get a consensus.  I'm not revealing unless we're doing it 100%

 

 

So now instead of an either/or scenario, he's accepting the idea of doing BOTH. Wombat is a smart cookie, smart enough to realize that doing both would be really bad for town. Definite bad vibes from this move.

 

In other news, BFG is town. Good to see, and I like the observations she's made with her posts.

 

I'm still trying to decide if Golden's emo @ Pray is legit or faked. BFG's post did make me start to rethink some of the things I had against him however.

 

Pretty sure AJ is town. Also liked his vote on Ishy, and DON'T like Ishy's softclaim afterwards. Sounds like some kind of set up for an elaborate fake claim. I think he's just plain ol scum. Wombat saying he was clearly town (that was this game, right? Don't think Ishy is in the BT game...) earlier gives me even worse vibes about Ishy.

 

However, I still wanna try and do that reread before I place a vote. Bbl

[Andrej]

I agree with you on the point regarding Ishy and Wombat declaring him Obv-Town. That didn't sit right with me seeing as how I had both as scum reads after my re-read.

 

And since apparently Despo's disapproval for the mass claim doesn't give 100% consensus, I'll put my vote back where my gut lies.

 

vote Ishy

[Nolder]

Sorry for being kind of inattentive these past few days guys.

I am at a friends house helping put up Christmas decorations.

I should be home by tomorrow night so you'll see more frequent vote counts and such.

[Nolder]

Votecount

Pralaya - Ishy, Goldeneyes, (2)

Ishy - Andrej (1)

Andrej - Verbal (1)

 

Not voting: Des, Wombat, BFG, Pralaya

 

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[BFG]

From mafiawiki Seems the purpose at this stage with a no lynch is that it causes mafia to kill a townie (note it makes no difference to the stage of a lynch either way we need every townie on a lynch in order to lynch mafia) thus reducing the hiding places for mafia.  It doesn't work if there's more than 1 confirmed townie as no new information is gained.  I think there's a risk that we won't learn any new information from another NK, but...

 

Think I might be for a claim, if we no lynch today we should do it tomorrow, if not today.  At the moment Town needs info else we may not make it to tomorrow.  But I'll go with the consensus.

 

On lunch break, I'll respond to everything else later.

[BFG]

Des is right that a mass claim before a no lynch would be an awful idea.

[Nolder]

Andrej, Catan Villager, has been Modkilled.

This one is for real.   

[Nolder]

Votecount

Pralaya - Ishy, Goldeneyes, (2)

 

Not voting: Des, Wombat, BFG, Pralaya, Verbal

 

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

[hazelkrs1]

Andrej, Catan Villager, has been Modkilled.

This one is for real.   

 

LAWLZ!

 

Ran out of time for a reread tonight anyways, but this would have stopped me either way. This game's a joke.

 

 

REALLY interested to see the reasons for these modkills once the game is over.

[BFG]

AJ

 

need to rethink Golden, had assumed that people voted elsewhere as he'd subbed in, but that would be an easy excuse for mafia. 

 

Would also really like to know why Ishy was following Wombat so faithfully!