[Advanced] Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy Mafia (Day 6 - Town Wins)

[Andrej]

To add: I am firm that you and Tina are Town. I have no reason to doubt your sanity thus far, and I take your read on Peace for truth. Mish is the one I am wary of. She comments on CS again but instead votes for Turin. Just looks too easy to me, Turin was obviously a good pick for today.

[hazelkrs1]

Lenlo claiming VT while Darthe pressured him shouldn't really make you feel better about Turin, considering that Darthe kinda mysteriously stopped going after Lenlo after their little skirmish. And what about Cloud defending Lenlo day 1?

[Andrej]

To add: I am firm that you and Tina are Town. I have no reason to doubt your sanity thus far, and I take your read on Peace for truth. Mish is the one I am wary of. She comments on CS again but instead votes for Turin. Just looks too easy to me, Turin was obviously a good pick for today.

[hazelkrs1]

Case on Mish is strong, case on Turin is steeronger. Pretty much all there is to it.

[Andrej]

The case on Turin also looks EASIER, which is my point.

 

I think CS and Mish are the last scum.

[hazelkrs1]

Turin is a good mafia player, and an especially good townie. I don't think his reads would all be THAT off this game.

 

CS has kinda disappeared tho since Darthe's flip... That's very troubling to say the least.

[Andrej]

Okay.

 

So for today that leaves me, Mish, Turin, CS and Pral as the lynch candidates.

 

My vote is already on CS, nuff said.

 

I have a feeling that Peace viewed either me or you considering he said he viewed one of his top suspects. I don't doubt your claim (haven't from the start) but hopefully he'll come out that he viewed me so that I can sit in the conf-Town pile as well.

 

Which leaves Mish, Turin, CS and Pral.

 

I don't think Pral would've come in like he has and vote back to back teammates like that. It would be a huge risk in order to gain Town cred. I think he should be last on that list, if we lynch others and they don't flip as scum we can always come back to him.

 

Turin is iffy, but I'm leaning Town. I could be wrong, and I'll eat my tongue later if he flips as Mafia.

 

CS I think is lying and needs to die, frankly.

 

I don't dig how Mish has continually provided CS with outs for his claim via redirector. Her coming out and voting Turin today also makes me sceptical.

[hazelkrs1]

I REALLY don't like how hard youre trying to get added to the "confirmed town" pile AJ. If you know you're town, that should be enough for you. And no one is going after you anyways.

 

Plus, you also seem to be pushing hard for Peace's viewing last night. If there IS a redirector I bet youre it.

 

Thinking Turin and AJ as last scum right now.

[Andrej]

Oh gawd.

[Andrej]

You're so finicky dude. I am basing my thoughts that Peace viewed either you or me after what he said yesterday how we were his top 2 suspects if Rags flipped scum. Considering he seems to entertain the idea of 2 Cops, I doubt he viewed you.

 

I don't need to be confirmed, but it would be nice.

 

Currently we're sitting at 8 players with what I would guess 2 scum left, that gives us a little leeway to mislynch.

 

I'm still fine lynching Turin today based on his actions yesterday, but I wouldn't be surprised if he turns up Town. In fact, if he DOES, I would seriously put Mish in that scum pile with CS.

[Andrej]

9 actually. Forgot about JS... where is he actually?

[WWWwombat]

Goodnight.

[hazelkrs1]

*tucks Wombat in*

[Turin Turambar]

It won't be if I flip town it will be when. I stated directly I was wrong about Rags and Darthe. I was looking at Rags from D1 when he was bumping around with you two.(AJ, Despo) The fact is I wasn't sure about Darthe but I thought the chances higher that Rags was mafia, in no small part because Despo was one of his main defenders. I really didn't like some of the things that happened in the Despo peace face off. Mostly that Depso didn't seem interested in actually resolving it. It seemed like the entire thing was a set up to save Rags. I mean he came out and claimed on an innocent view when he couldn't be sure he was right. It looked like a blatant attempt to save a teammate. mores even than Peace and Darthe. There was also the incident about Despo seeming to push for Lenloto be NKed. I don't see that as townie Despo behavior. I have an additonal bad feeling about that as I kind of made it obvious that I would be willing to replace and Despo took the time to post but only to have me sign up for the BT game.It seemed to me he would be happier to have Len deaded than have someone replace him. Now since I KNOW Len was town as I have access to his role PM I am left to wonder why Despo didn't want me in THIS game.He has had some interesting interactions with Mish this game I believe also. 

 

Hell I'm probly gonna get lynched anyway today... Might as well do what I thunk is right.

 

##Vote Despo

 

If mafia YAY

 

If real cop then Tina and Peace and whoever Peace viewed last night are all confirmed

 

If Naive cop then only info is that Tina and Peace are back to where they were, unknown

 

 

Cop falling back to naive cop is a very tough fake claim to break. as long as he gives only innocents and none of them get lynched as mafia. Oh but wait he was right in line with Mish in floating the redirector angle so he could still use that for an extra day. I think it is time to decide about these cops...

 

If I get lynched, I will flip town. Who living is connected to me? I dunno. think about what I have had to say.

 

 

Has snow even posted?

 

 

 

 

Off to sleep again...

[hazelkrs1]

@ Turin's last ditch effort

 

Turin, if you seriously end up being town this game I will not only be disappointed, but will have COMPLETE justification for saying you tunnel on me EVERY GAME you play with me. You literally only tried looking at things in a way that made me look bad.

 

I DID try to resolve the situation with Peace. I did so by voting Darthe, which would test his claim/sanity. And you really think I would push that hard against Darthe if he was my teammate? I bus hard, but MAN.

 

And I DID want Lenlo MK'ed btw. Not NK'ed. He wasn't any help to town, and I thought him likely mafia, so modkilling him would have made it so we didn't have to lynch him. And the scum pool was already limited so much that even if he flipped town it would still help us.

[John Snow]

9 actually. Forgot about JS... where is he actually?

 

Finishing readup. Sorry, RL interfered last couple of days :/

[Andrej]

Cool man, no worries.

 

Looking forward to your interpretation. 

[csarmi]

 

Teams:

 

Rags, Mish, AJ

Pray, Peace, (Cloud)

 

That work? First one sounds very likely to me.

 

What?? Explain this please. And please don't counter that some flips have changed your mind. I want to know what you were thinking when you posted this.

 

Sure.

 

Team Rags: Mish and you looked like Rag's teammates to me. Might pick up the exact reason why if I ever get to re-read. It was about the voting pattern. Thought I would find all of his teammates on the Darthe train. Mish also been acting rather scummy and the way she bandwagoned didn't sit well with me. With you? I don't remember, honest. There was something with your Darthe, Peace or Despo interaction I think?

 

Team Cloud: I just looked to see who else was scummy. Pray because of his timing of his arrivals and how he seemed to avoid trains. Peace looked rather strange at that point and I found him more likely to be scum than Darthe. I thought either him or Sarthe would be scum.

 

 

Just going on play its

 

Mish, -- sure

Peace, Pray, Darthe, Rags -- in that order

 

Also we don't have enough info on TurinLo. Liked his posts. Just wary for the 9 day skip.

 

Again, what?? This seems to be CS posting his scum reads from greatest to least. Notice who he has last: Rags. Inconsistent much?

 

No inconsistency there. Have you read the first line?

 

Turin is a good mafia player, and an especially good townie. I don't think his reads would all be THAT off this game.

 

CS has kinda disappeared tho since Darthe's flip... That's very troubling to say the least.

I think I was around after the flip, actually. I disappared to pull 18-hour workdays. Prolly gonna have the whole december this way, actually.

 

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#Turin - I totally agree with Despo, I'd have been much more comfortable with Lenlo/Turin being modkilled. Guy disappeared for 9 days. No recovery from that.

With that said, he seemed to make a lot of sense to me yesterday, but maybe because he took my side. Would have to read up on him to figure out.

 

#Mish - I just found her scummy whole game. Not sure I can put my finger on why. FYi, I kept ignoring her cause I thought she was scum (I still do), I didn't really have that much time to post (just skipped in for short intervals), cause I thought it was pointless to talk redirections there and mostly cause I found it funny how she got more and more angry. :evil:

 

FWIW, I suppose the maffia team should have a roleblocker. They probably blocked Rags N1, me N2 and Rags N3.

 

Also, ##vote Mish

[peacesells]

I think at worst Despo could be niave cop.  I just don't see him coming out and fake claiming cop with absolutely no pressure on him.  It would be a ballsy move and if he did do this..then kudos to him.   At some point we will have to test his reads. 

 

Another thing...Despo kept pushing the Darthe lynch even after I gave him a reason to not do so.  Which means, if he was bussing Darthe, (like Desp usually does as scum) he could have easily pulled away once I announced an innocent view of him.    Not only that..Desp kept pushing on my claim.  I think he thought I was faking just as much as I thought he was at first.  He didn't buy into the 2 cop theory very early like he could have as scum.  So that's 2 easy outs he avoided if he is scum.  I don't see it.  Too many opportunities not taken.

 

Desp is strong town in my eyes.

 

So, Turin..even though your theory is plausible...just doesn't add up with his play.  So, I'm discounting it.

 

 

Now, we need a solution to whether Desp is naive or sane.  I thought I had one...but I found holes in it.  So until we come up with a litmus test I don't think we can rely on his viewings wholly.  We have to consider the play of his viewing much stronger.  Treat them like they could be godfathers.

[peacesells]

Csarmi...you speculate that Rags is blocked night 3?  What did you do with your action?

[csarmi]

I jailed Tina. Said that right after day started.

 

Hard to pull quotes from phone.

[csarmi]

A sane+insane cop pair looks quite fun and symmetrical.

 

No idea how to test Despo's sanity. I think it can't be done at all, short of him dying or getting a scum read. But I think there's no problem there.

 

I agree with Pral that Peace must be town (having only a naive cop don't seem to be likely at all).

[csarmi]

I think we should believe all cop views for now. We can always reconsider later. Also, maffia should resolve the situation for us. Cause if the don't kill our cops, they'll get busted. If they do, they confirm sanity. Catch 22.

[csarmi]

Yea Tina is not a roleblocker and sent no kill tonight.

[csarmi]

BTW I think Rags was blocked cause he sure wouldn't have holstered as that makes no sense.