[Advanced] Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy Mafia (Day 6 - Town Wins)

[Andrej]

I see it now.

 

Hm.

 

Darthe or Rags then?

 

If Rags doesn't flip as a GF but as scum then we know that Des is a naive Cop.

 

The theory with Darthe has already been explained.

[Leelou]

We could test Darthe today and Rags tomorrow. I trust Des over Peace as far as claims go. 

[michellem]

Wow good catch Csarmi. I still agree on lynching Darthe today too, we're in a pretty good place now. Rags can die tomorrow.

[TheRagnarok]

Hahahaha Csarmi is straight up lying.  He is scum.  I wasn't jailed at all. 

[TheRagnarok]

Csarmi just pulled the desperation fakeclaim.

[peacesells]

If rags was jailed...he'd know it.  Why would he make a stupid claim at the kill then?  Doesn't add up.

[TheRagnarok]

Exactly!  Everywhere I have played, you get told if jailed and I would know to never claim the kill.

[TheRagnarok]

For Csarmi's claim to be true, I would have to be in a different scum group(which there is no evidence of), someone else in my faction would have had to killed Cloud, and knowing that I was jailed, I took credit for the kill anyways...instead of having my faction member do exactly what I did to clear themselves.

 

It makes NO LOGICAL SENSE. 

[Pralaya]

Well, back from the usual weekend where I don't have a proper net connection.

 

So, a whole lot of things happened. As already pointed out, there could be multiple cops and I am not ready to kill either one of peace or des till we get more information.

 

But, that said, there seems to be a handful of trigger happy people out there.

 

As soon as Peace revealed that he is the cop,

 

 

Wow. Ok. This was a bit much to digest right after waking up.

 

I'm more inclined to believe Peace here.

 

## Vote Des

 

 

 

##unvote vote Peace

 

I guess if we're picking sides here, I'll let mine be known.

 

Peace is full of crap. I don't believe his guilty viewing of Cloud N2, it sounds like he's just adding detail to a fake role to make it more believable. Having a GF in a game when a Cop would view him as guilty anyway is a useless role. I'm not buying it.

 

FOS for Darthe and Mish for that bogus shiz.

 

 

More like they are trying to take hold of the opportunity and get a lynch on someone desperately. AJ tried pretty hard to get people to start voting on peace. 

It did not work and not many people were falling to the option of lynching either Peace or Des.

 

Then there were efforts to see who else can be targetted and capitalise the opportunity

 

 

 

I gotta admit I do like those reads. Noice.

 

Would you be willing to test Peace's sanity? We both agree Darthe and Salami are scummy. 

 

 

Smart little probe to see who can be the easier lynch. As soon as Des showed a little interest,

 

Okay. 

 

##unvote, vote Darthe

 

 

 

I'll roll.

 

##unvote vote Darthe

 

 

We can figure out Des/Peace tomorrow.

 

 

 

Yeah, I'll buy.

 

##unvote vote Darthe

 

AJ, Mish and Leelou have been distancing each other for ages. Noticeably keeping each other in the "leaning scum" category. Cloud kind of did the same.

 

I firmly believe at least 2 out of those 3 are scum.

 

##vote AJ

[michellem]

...Not gonna comment on the Csarmi/Rags thing?

 

Not willing to join the Darthe-lynch, a vanilla, to check Peace?

[Andrej]

[Leelou]

 

x2

[TheRagnarok]

X3

[Pralaya]

Not willing to join the Darthe-lynch, a vanilla, to check Peace?

[Pralaya]

...Not gonna comment on the Csarmi/Rags thing?

 

Not willing to join the Darthe-lynch, a vanilla, to check Peace?

 

Check him? Nice try. This whole game has been about "test this guy", "check that guy " etc.

 

You wanted to lynch Verbal to "get more information". He flipped town. Now what? What did you get from it?

 

I believe in scumhunting rather than wasting time lynching who I believe is town.

[Darthe]

Since I RBd rag anyhow on N1 something here is now kechanically wrong.

[TheRagnarok]

Oh, and we can all agree that I did nothing N1.  Darthe claims to have RBed me but I did nothing anyways so the end result is the same.

 

If I was jailed last night as well....then where did the other kill come from?  Couldn't have been a 'scum buddy' cause they wouldn't have been blocked N1. 

 

Csarmi is lying.  Lynch him.

[Darthe]

Lol

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count

Salami(2): Ragnarok, Peace
Despo(1): Darthe
Rags(1): Salami
Darthe(4): Leelou, Despo, Mish, Andrej
Andrej(1): Pralaya

Not voting:  Lenlo, Tina


6 to lynch.  Deadline set for tomorrow night at 7 PM EST (26 hours from now).  I'm going to ask Turin to sub in for Lenlo now.

[michellem]

 

...Not gonna comment on the Csarmi/Rags thing?

 

Not willing to join the Darthe-lynch, a vanilla, to check Peace?

 

Check him? Nice try. This whole game has been about "test this guy", "check that guy " etc.

 

You wanted to lynch Verbal to "get more information". He flipped town. Now what? What did you get from it?

 

I believe in scumhunting rather than wasting time lynching who I believe is town.

 

 

Well I find it easier to contemplate the possibility of two cops (of different sanities) since we've seen a deputy. I'd also be going after Cloud if he hadn't been killed that night, Verb's flip (combined with Cloud's sudden case on me...) convinced me there. You believe in scumhunting? Well I believe just as much in finding townies. Especially early in games I see more value in finding townies than mafia.

[Pralaya]

Well I find it easier to contemplate the possibility of two cops (of different sanities) since we've seen a deputy. I'd also be going after Cloud if he hadn't been killed that night, Verb's flip (combined with Cloud's sudden case on me...) convinced me there. You believe in scumhunting? Well I believe just as much in finding townies. Especially early in games I see more value in finding townies than mafia.

 

 

Multilple cops is not the problem. Even I think it could be the case.But "just testing Darthe" is what I don't agree with.

 

Either Peace is the only true cop and Des is lying

Or Peace knows that Darthe is town and is lying for town cred

Both Des and Peace are cops and town. In which case, it would lead to a whole lot of chaos - peace finding Darthe as town means he is a sane cop, Des finding Rags and Tina as town, Darthe thinknig Rags as scum etc .

 

The only way it will be useful is if Darthe is scum. Which could be the case but I don't believe it to be so. Rather go with those swho I am suspicious of, instead of hitting blind.

[Darthe]

Seriously no. Lets not confuse the issue here. Lynch me, do what has to be done and lets move forward. It helps confirm two people, one of which is a cop that can hopefully be protected, and then that is going to let us steamroll the next couple of days.

[Andrej]

Just a thought.

 

Verb never mentioned anything about being jailed N1.

 

So:

 

1. the Mod doesn't confirm jailings

2. Verb didn't feel the need to voice it

3. CS is lying

[michellem]

My experience is jailings work like doc protects and roleblocks... (d'uh, since it's a combo). You won't be told if you're jailed. The only way to know, is if you have an action, say a viewing or tracker or whatever, where you normally would get a feedback from the mod, and you get none.

 

 

 

I have no idea what to think of Rags and Csarmi's claims though. The fact is, there was two deaths, Cloud the godfather was one of them, and so we know there was two kills, and it's highly unlikely that the mafia had two shots and used one of them to shoot their godfather. So we either have a killer, another 1-shot vig or a SK, wich shot Cloud (that isn't Rags), but if Rags is mafia, why claim the kill, when there is a big chance someone will counterclaim it? Or we have two mafia teams, but I feel like we're two few players to have two mafia teams both with a NK the same night (my only experience with this is Darthe's werewolf game). Or, and I find this highly unlikely, Dap had a delay on his kill (making it more like a poison kill than a vig kill), but like I said, it's extremely unlikely, but I'm looking at all angles here. Or, we have a busdriver that drove Rags with someone else (making Csarmi's jailer-action hit someone else than Rags).

 

Thinking about it, I find the busdriver to be the most logical. But, if that happened, and Des is a sane cop, that means he didn't actually view Rags, but another person, since that was the same night. The times I've been mafia with a busdriver role, it's mostly been used to switch a mafia and a townie in the spotlight, in case either of them get viewed (get rid of a townie, or protect a mafia with an innocent-viewing). Yes, I feel that is the most logical answer. Actually,

 

##unvote vote Rags

[michellem]

And, if I'm right on this, I expect the dead thread to be applauding me right now lol