[Advanced] Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy Mafia (Day 6 - Town Wins)

[Leelou]

CC here: 

Well..looks like we have 2 for 1.

 

DESPO IS NOT THE COP BECAUSE I AM.

 

That means both Rag and Despo are scum.  Or Rag is town and Despo is trying to look town by clearing him.

 

This also means that the scum team have a way of taking care of me at night since there is no way they just claim cop like this out of no where.  They value getting rid of the real cop.

 

##UNVOTE

 

##VOTE DESPO.

 

Found us some scum: 

Also something to remember.  Despo always busses one of his team hard.  So keep that list of scum reads he has handy.  I guarantee one of them is scum. 

 

That's ok AJ..I've done my job.

 

2 scum found.  Despo and AJ. 

 

Agrees maybe 2 cops ...votes for self and doesn't try to figure out sanity. 

In fact...it would probably be better to lynch me considering the result I got back on Cloud.  If I'm not a straight up cop then it's possible Desp is a real cop.  Rule 9 does state that Womby has laid traps for us.

 

hmmm....

 

 

##UNVOTE 

 

##VOTE PEACE

 

 

inb4 "oh no...he's trying a ploy..."

 

 

Some discussion between Des and AJ on reads. Salami pops in tries to say Rags is scum for killing the godfather at night. Then we discuss testing your sanity. 

 

You come in, give the different sanities from the wiki. And are now dragging your feet on being tested. 

 

 

 

 

FYI Peace, I'm not getting a good feeling from you dragging your feet on this. 

 

so...deal with it.  Why are you acting like confirmed town?

 

 

In no way am I. I'm posting as I normally do. And believe me, I am dealing with it. I don't see how us voting you and losing the "cop" is better way to test you than to test your other read since he's been acting scummy and claims to have used up his 1x RB already. 

 

 

How had darthe acted any different than in any other game he has played?  I don't agree he is particularly scummy. 

 

##unvote

##vote salami

 

 

He's not been really that active on pushing people he thinks are scum, backed down off Lenlo when it was getting no traction, claimed a role that is typically a scum role. Pushed on Rags lying after the GF was killed even though he has no proof there was any action to block N1. 

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count

Salami(2): Ragnarok, Peace
Despo(1): Darthe

Rags(1): Salami

Darthe(4): Leelou, Despo, Mish, Andrej

Not voting:  Pralaya, Lenlo, Tina

 

6 to lynch.  Deadline will probably be on Tuesday night or Wednesday morning.  Lenlo has just over 4 hours.

[Darthe]

blegh.  I don't wanna die but this makes sense.

[Niniel]

 

@Despo, I have read your claim and understand the implications. I believe that Rags is scum. Do the math.

 

What does this mean?

 

 

I re-read Des´s posts and his claim looks believable. I don´t know why Peace doesn´t want to check his sanity with lynching Darthe. 

[peacesells]

what's your point Leelou?  If you think I'm scum, vote me? 

[Darthe]

Remember my town and scum lists.  I could quote the post but same difference.

[Leelou]

what's your point Leelou?  If you think I'm scum, vote me? 

 

Why don't you want to test your sanity so we know how to take your reads going forward? 

[peacesells]

 

what's your point Leelou?  If you think I'm scum, vote me? 

 

Why don't you want to test your sanity so we know how to take your reads going forward? 

 

Despo getting a view on Darthe would give us info on both of us would it not?

[Andrej]

I'd rather not push it into the Night phase to find out.

 

That's pretty scummy of you to mention Peace, especially since our Doc can't actually protect without risking killing if the mafia shoots elsewhere.

[peacesells]

I'd rather not push it into the Night phase to find out.

 

That's pretty scummy of you to mention Peace, especially since our Doc can't actually protect without risking killing if the mafia shoots elsewhere.

 

That assumes you believe his claim...and that he is our only Doc.  Poor assumption since we apparently have 3 cops????

 

And you throw the word "scummy" around a lot.  Do you have a clue what it means?  It seems that anyone who disagrees with you is scummy.  Kinda weakens the word a bit don't ya think?

[Andrej]

Not really.

 

I think I've done a decent job showing the other players why I think your claim is bogus, it's up to them to believe it or not.

 

Your hesitance now really isn't helping the perception either.

[peacesells]

You speak for everyone?

[Leelou]

I'd rather know now so we know how to judge your reads going forward. 

[Andrej]

Also, having a CPR Doc with multiple Cops does make sense considering his ability, like I said before.

 

Unless somebody comes out and claims that they are the actual Doc, I don't really have a reason to doubt it. You have entertained the thought of multiple Cops and Despo said he viewed Rag as Town. What does that tell you?

[Andrej]

You speak for everyone?

 

Unfortunately not. I would've lynched you after the CC.

[Darthe]

Anyone care to build a crossreference chart of what any of the three cop claims veing verified can tell us about the others or about the people they viewed? Imo if you can accept two being real you can accept three. That could be the town this game though it seems unlilely. I'm game for it.

[csarmi]

 

@Despo, I have read your claim and understand the implications. I believe that Rags is scum. Do the math.

 

What does this mean?

 

I re-read Des´s posts and his claim looks believable. I don´t know why Peace doesn´t want to check his sanity with lynching Darthe.

 

I'm starting from a different viewpoint. You see, I know that Rags is an LLL and thus scum. He sent in no kill tonight. He was in jail.

Plenty of time passed since his claim and I'm sure someone would have countered him on his kill by now.

 

Yea I jailed Verbal N1. Reasons should be obvious enough. He claimed to have no immediate actions, so it can't hurt, but it might help if he was scum. Which I believed him to be.

Rags was somewhat different. He seemed useful if town and dangerous as maffia. Seemed no PR either. So I decided to use it on him.

 

I'm pretty sure he's scum with the LLL... and that makes two things obvious:

 

1) There are multiple teams. Yea he wouldn't kill his own godfather... but he would try and take cred for another team's GF, wouldn't he.

2) I think Despo is likely a cop. He's either naive, or Rags is a godfather. Which sounds logical, cause who else to come out with that Fake Claim.

 

So.

 

Darthe is probably scum. He's 1xRB claim is crap + dislike his play + Peace could well be an insane cop. I'd rather lynch Rags who I KNOW to be scum, however.

 

So we aren't in a bad shape at all. With all the information out there, good decisions can be made. But there's likely 5 scum / 6 town alive at this point.

[csarmi]

Also, good night. I'm sure this can be figured out completely, or very close to, but I'm not getting any farther than this now.

Be back in the morning.

[Niniel]

 

• Sane Cop: Results are accurate. (I could fit this if there is another role that somehow helps me see through a  GF)
• Insane Cop: Results are the opposite of what they should be.  (Could fit this if I was supposed to read town on Cloud, therefore Darthe is scum)

Once the player realizes they are Insane, they can produce effective results by reporting the opposite of what they discover.

• Paranoid Cop: Results are always indicative of non-Town (Mafia, guilty, etc.) (I've had a innocent view so I can't be this)

Once the Cop discovers their sanity, they may stop investigating, as all results are equally useless.

• Naive Cop: Results are always indicative of Town (non-Mafia, innocent, etc.) (I've had a guilty view so I can't be this, but Despo could be)

This variant is more common than Paranoid Cop, as its results are less disruptive.

• Random Cop: Results are randomized. (This was not an announced bastard mod game so this doesn't apply)

This is a bastard role and almost never used.     So, I can either be a sane cop or insane cop or scum trying a gambit. Despo is either a sane cop or naive cop or scum trying a gambit.        

 

 

I´m really tired but I´ll give this a try. Fill in or correct me if I´m wrong.

 

1. We lynch Darthe, who is town. That means that Peace is lying or that there are a role that makes him able to see GFs. Wasn´t it Darthe who said something about a special cop that sees through GFs? Interesting that he brought it up...

2. We lynch Darthe, who is mafia. Then Peace is an insane cop or lying. 

 

 

3. We lynch Peace, who is town. We would probably get the right name in the coroners report and thus be able to judge Darthe.

4. We lynch Peace, who is mafia. Then the read on Darthe could mean anything.

 

 

You can do the same with Des, me and Rag. 

[Andrej]

There is no 3rd claimed Cop. Verb was a Deputy, that's all we know.

 

Essentially it goes like this.

 

Peace viewed you and got innocent. He viewed Cloud and got a guilty. If he is insane, that makes sense because Cloud as the GF would view normally as innocent. This theory also makes you scum. There is also the chance that Peace is a 'hard' Cop which allowed him to see past the GF passive ability, but I think that's unlikely.

 

Despo is our other Cop and he has received two innocent viewings, Tina and Rag. There is also a chance that Despo is a naive Cop therefore only receiving innocent views which is why I think Peace wants to have him view you tonight to see if he gets a different result.

 

Right now you are the best option because if you flip scum then we know that Peace's views are reverse, or that he is scum and was attempting to clear you via his claim. The same could also apply to Des, obviously, but with how he revealed I don't think that he is fake-claiming.

[Andrej]

Tina ninja'd me.

[Leelou]

 

 

• Sane Cop: Results are accurate. (I could fit this if there is another role that somehow helps me see through a  GF)
• Insane Cop: Results are the opposite of what they should be.  (Could fit this if I was supposed to read town on Cloud, therefore Darthe is scum)

Once the player realizes they are Insane, they can produce effective results by reporting the opposite of what they discover.

• Paranoid Cop: Results are always indicative of non-Town (Mafia, guilty, etc.) (I've had a innocent view so I can't be this)

Once the Cop discovers their sanity, they may stop investigating, as all results are equally useless.

• Naive Cop: Results are always indicative of Town (non-Mafia, innocent, etc.) (I've had a guilty view so I can't be this, but Despo could be)

This variant is more common than Paranoid Cop, as its results are less disruptive.

• Random Cop: Results are randomized. (This was not an announced bastard mod game so this doesn't apply)

This is a bastard role and almost never used.     So, I can either be a sane cop or insane cop or scum trying a gambit. Despo is either a sane cop or naive cop or scum trying a gambit.        

 

 

I´m really tired but I´ll give this a try. Fill in or correct me if I´m wrong.

 

1. We lynch Darthe, who is town. That means that Peace is lying or that there are a role that makes him able to see GFs. Wasn´t it Darthe who said something about a special cop that sees through GFs? Interesting that he brought it up...

2. We lynch Darthe, who is mafia. Then Peace is an insane cop or lying. 

 

 

3. We lynch Peace, who is town. We would probably get the right name in the coroners report and thus be able to judge Darthe.

4. We lynch Peace, who is mafia. Then the read on Darthe could mean anything.

 

 

You can do the same with Des, me and Rag. 

 

 

Technically yes, and I am not sure what to think of Salami's claim just yet, but Peace says he got a scum view on a GF. 

[Andrej]

Wait, CS claimed too?

[Leelou]

He just claimed jailer. 

[Niniel]

 

 

@Despo, I have read your claim and understand the implications. I believe that Rags is scum. Do the math.

 

What does this mean?

 

I re-read Des´s posts and his claim looks believable. I don´t know why Peace doesn´t want to check his sanity with lynching Darthe.

 

I'm starting from a different viewpoint. You see, I know that Rags is an LLL and thus scum. He sent in no kill tonight. He was in jail.

Plenty of time passed since his claim and I'm sure someone would have countered him on his kill by now.

 

Yea I jailed Verbal N1. Reasons should be obvious enough. He claimed to have no immediate actions, so it can't hurt, but it might help if he was scum. Which I believed him to be.

Rags was somewhat different. He seemed useful if town and dangerous as maffia. Seemed no PR either. So I decided to use it on him.

 

I'm pretty sure he's scum with the LLL... and that makes two things obvious:

 

1) There are multiple teams. Yea he wouldn't kill his own godfather... but he would try and take cred for another team's GF, wouldn't he.

2) I think Despo is likely a cop. He's either naive, or Rags is a godfather. Which sounds logical, cause who else to come out with that Fake Claim.

 

So.

 

Darthe is probably scum. He's 1xRB claim is crap + dislike his play + Peace could well be an insane cop. I'd rather lynch Rags who I KNOW to be scum, however.

 

So we aren't in a bad shape at all. With all the information out there, good decisions can be made. But there's likely 5 scum / 6 town alive at this point.

 

 

Oh... interesting... this is turning out to be a puzzle. Evil Wombat is evil. This changes a lot. I´m also about to go to bed but I will be sure to vote tomorrow long before deadline.