[Advanced] Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy Mafia (Day 6 - Town Wins)

[WWWwombat]

And now I'm going to bed.

[Darthe]

Nice. Confirmed SK.

 

##Rag

 

Guess where my power went N1?

[TheRagnarok]

No you idiot, I did nothing N1 and targeted Cloud N2.  And I killed Cloud who is scum.  The same person I called out all game.  I am not SK.  And even if I was, I clearly support town.  SO trying to lynch me is either scum or just straight up retarded.

[TheRagnarok]

Oh and just so everyone in this game knows...Darthe has faked getting night results on me in the past to try and get me lynched. 

 

But seriously...lynching the one person who made a case for someone to be scum, didn't back off of that, AND used his night ability to off that person is beyond stupid.  And he was the Godfather. 

[peacesells]

Darthe explain your theory plz.

[Darthe]

Confirmed LLL.  I caught him as mafia in that game for submitting an action.  Can provide photo proof if needed (imo outside the spirit of the game to have to rely on something so far outside of it but if Rag goes there I will).  That + action + flip of a vig already = definite SK.

[Darthe]

Ooh, in addition he attempts to use the fact that he shot mafia (and a godfather in fact) as evidence for being town.  That doesn't hold water because an SK would not know the alignment of other players.  And I will heartily disagree that we should keep an SK alive if one is found.  

[TheRagnarok]

Except that in post game chat it was verified that I did NOTHING the night you claimed that I did. 

[TheRagnarok]

As for my role, it is a rather unique role I haven't seen before.  But I can say that I am townie and Darthe did not block me N1 as I did nothing N1 due to how my role works.

[peacesells]

Quick question before I got to bed. Rag, why did you choose cloud?

[TheRagnarok]

A lot of how I play this game is based on gut, tone and feel.  Something about Cloud felt off.  I brought it up multiple times and was never satisfied with the responses.  So I decided to throw my nuts on the table and give my gut a shot.  I believe you can't play Mafia afraid of being wrong.  He was my #1 suspect, I had a chance to prove my gut right and I went for it.

 

Also...if I was anything other than town...why would I admit to the kill immediately after it went through if I actually had been RBed N1?  The Champions thing is overplayed...but I am not a stupid player.

[Andrej]

##vote Des

 

Thoughts in a bit.

[Andrej]

Vote Count:

　

Despo(1): Salami

Andrej(5): Tina, Despo, Krak, Peace, Cloud

Tina(1): Andrej

Cloud(1): Verbal

Leelou(1): Pralaya

Salami(1): Darthe

Verbal(1): Leelou

　

8 to lynch.

 

 

Thinking about a Monday deadline.

 

My wagon early on D1. We know that Cloud was now scum, I'm thinking Despo is as well. My wagon built pretty fast, which later prompted Verb to stay off it.

 

Turns out he was right about Cloud.

 

Also, Wombat, could you include the players not voting in your VCs?

 

There's such an obvious connection between Darthe and AJ, it's just sad. Guess Darthe didn't bring his "A" game after all, which turns out to be a good thing for us.

 

 

Observe:

 

AJ is trying to be me.  

 

 

Cute.

 

 

 

AJ is def trying to be me.

 

I am happy to be back Des. You should be happy to see me. Also, to the shock of many I proclaim Des to be town. She got a good role PM this time.

 

 

Lol Darthe. Please tell me more about how I idolize you. How can I be better?

 

 

 

 

As much as I enjoy seeing Verb act like his daughter will in 10 years, I can do without being twatted.

 

 

##andrej.

 

I do not think that means what you think it means.

 

Csarmi = Scum

 

Agreed ##votesalami

 

 

 

Lets get a cla I'm out of this.

 

## unvote vote aj

 

 

 

^After a smattering of playful banter between teammates, Darthe tries voting someone that was recently fos'ed, in an attempt to divert AJ's lynch. Then when he DOES vote AJ, he says it's just to get a claim out of him, not to actually threaten with a lynch. Which obviously sets him up to unvote after AJ claims, in the hopes that others will unvote as well.

 

 

 

Holy crap, we're lynching AJ in the joke phase of the game?

 

At least 3 scum on that train. Book it.

Lol we aren't lynching him yet. We have someone at L-2 though so that's cool. Lets see how it plays.

 

 

Even says we aren't lynching him... as if Darthe somehow commands what lynches happen or don't happen.

 

Aj is FROZEN

 

Says train on AJ is frozen, so that he can try and go after anyone else if they vote AJ

 

I forgot you're a father and military! Its a bit late for Veterans day wishes but I appreciate your service dude.

 

Also, fair enough. ##unvote

 

And then comes in with the foreshadowed unvote... after a VT claim. Cause God forbid we risk losing a VT

 

Linking me and Darthe. No bueno. The evidence is pretty lame anyway, looks like he's just trying to craft up something to vote on. Like I said about him already, WoTs are the norm for him regardless of alignment. This one is full of contrived information and him twisting it to try and incriminate one of us.

 

Cloud is scum.  Serious read maybe 4 posts into the game for him?  Too easy.

 

##Vote: Cloud

 

Actually, I'm used to seeing Cloud try to start off serious as town. One of the reasons he often finds himself as a lynch candidate on day 1. Awful reasoning.

 

Defends Cloud here.

 

 

 

Whole bunch of words. Most important thing was his defense of Cloud and the linking of Darthe and I.

 

 

Verbal...what are you early scum/town leans?

 

Scum:  Cloud, Leelou, maybe Verbal

 

Town:  AJ, maybe Verbal

 

 

Apparently.

 

Two things:

 

1. Why did y'all let the train on AJ derail? Y'all like letting obvious scum off the hook?!

 

2. Why'd everyone stop playing mafia? Save the chatter for yalls knitting circles, or at least night phase. Everyone, start getting out some reads. NOW.

 

... Please.

 

You've still yet to explain how I am obviously scum.

[Andrej]

##Vote Verbal

 

Cause I like freedom, justice, and believe in the general goodness of mankind.

 

Seriously tho, Verbal NEEDS to be our lynch today. Because of how the day ended yesterday, there is just a plethora of information that can be obtained with his lynch. Could shed some light on Leelou, Pray, Darthe potentially, as well as on some of those pushing his lynch as well if he did in fact end up being town.

 

But he won't, btw. Dude is scum. No town PR is gonna wait to claim till 15 minutes before the deadline. And he tries to act like he didn't think he'd be lynched, even tho he himself said a day before he didn't think he'd be able to "dance out of this one". He also offered himself up for sacrifice for the D1 lynch, again, something that NO town PR will ever do. Not to mention going back and forth with peeps about why his claim is better than other fake claims.... I mean sheesh.

 

Also think Darthe, Leelou, and AJ are scum. Pray could be policy lynched for his inactivity then showing up right before deadline... to vote an outlier. But for today, we lynch Verb. And yes Verb, I am totally allowed to say that, cause I get to determine the mod judgement on any issue I want this game.

 

Says Verb train will be telling once he is lynched. Names a few players who it would shed light on but no Cloud in that list. Then proceeds to immediately throw it all out of the window in the next paragraph by stating that Verb will flip as scum anyway.

 

This is what I'm talking about how you mash names together. Leelou, maybe. I wouldn't say it's outside your meta to set up your teammates for a bussing later. I'm reading Darthe as Town and I know I am Town. So please explain how this combo works. What is it based on?

 

Not sure what now. Darthe, any reasoning?

Also in the news. Leelou is town.

 

Care to explain?

 

 

 

D1 Final Vote Count:

　

Tina(1): Ragnarok

Cloud(2): Verbal, Pralaya

Darthe(3): Leelou, Despo, Andrej

Verbal(6): Peace, Krak, Tina, Mish, Dap, Salami

　

8 to lynch.

 

 

Day 2 Final Vote Count

 

Cloud(1): Pralaya

Verbal(8): Tina, Cloud, Salami, Despo, Peace, Andrej, Krak, Mish

Salami(1): Leelou

 

8 to lynch.

 

 

##vote Verbal

 

 

RB could be both town and mafia. Darthe is still not playing like town. He refuse to answer questions or gives arrogant answers that doesn´t mean anything. Again - Darthe, why did you say that Verbal should have been lynched when you never voted? 

 

Pralaya´s vote on Cloud just before deadline was really weird. His reason was that Cloud put a serious vote on AJ for being serious but that wasn´t why Cloud voted AJ.

 

Leelou was acting very strange yesterday. First she says that she is willing to hammer Verb, then when she realise that he hasn´t enough votes she asks if we should vote Darthe instead. But afterwards she said that she was ready to hammer Verbal anyway. Why was it so important to hammer? If you were ready to lynch Verbal then just vote him. 

 

Verbal hasn´t done anything that has changed my mind about him. 

 

Rag left his vote on my the whole day even though it clearly wouldn´t lead anywhere. 

 

 

 

 

## Vote Verbal

 

 

 

 

##vote cloud

 

Same case as earlier. 

 

Basically, the only story in this game so far is Darthe/Verbal vs Cloud/Mish/Desp and others following who they feel is town. 

 

 

 

Ok, read the entire thread.

 

This post by Cloud stood out for me during the read. Too aggressive during the "joke vote" phase, especially for Cloud.

Getting on to the AJ train was convenient at best.

I think we have played in enough games together for you to know that I tend to be fairly aggressive at the start of a game. This is also one of the reasons why I get lynched so often on Day 1 :P I went into detail why I thought that AJ is scum, but now you make it look as if I just sheeped my vote onto his train without giving any kind of explanation for why I think so.

 

The main reason why I felt you to be aggressive was not because it was Day 1 but because it was right at the early part of the game where others were mainly joke-voting. I know that you are a bit aggressive but not at that early a game.

 

 

You mean the case that I have already debunked? It looks like the only reason you are voting for me right now is because Mish has been defending me, and because I have perhaps been a bit more serious than usual. How does this make me mafia again? Why are you voting for me while other people have been defending my play? You are also linking Darthe and Verbal together, and then do the same thing with me, Mish and Despo without even explaining why.

 

 

Darthe's claim does seem more likely now that Dap flipped a 1-shot Vig. I could still go for either Verbal or Pral.

 

 

## Vote Verbal

 

 

 

Have I ##Voted Verbal yet?  If not,  ##Vote Verbal.

 

 

Peace, can you give us some thoughts about the players? 

 

 

Totally agree with Des´s post.

 

 

 

 

Peace, can you give us some thoughts about the players? 

 

 

Totally agree with Des´s post.

 

Yeah..Verbal and Salami are scum. 

 

 

How does that work?

 

##vote Verb

 

 

 

I don't see how it would do him any good.  If I were him I'd just enjoy my Turkey day.

 

 

##Verbeiber

 

 

Well that's L-1. Might as well get this over with, I don't feel like we're gonna be able to move on before we get an answer here.

 

##Verb

 

 

 

Well that's L-1. Might as well get this over with, I don't feel like we're gonna be able to move on before we get an answer here.

 

##Verb

Where's the hurry?

 

 

 

It´s not a second too early. He should have been killed yesterday. 

 

 

So everyone that voted for Verb D1 voted for him D2 as well, with the exception of Dap who was NK'ed. Those that voted him yesterday but weren't voting him D1: Cloud, myself, and AJ. AJ and I were voting Darthe at the end of D1. Cloud looks like he wasn't voting anyone.

 

AJ doesn't give a reason for his vote on Verb (a couple of others don't as well, but they had already previously voted for him). CS votes Verb but then later comments on the speed of the hammer by Mish. Tina kinda overexplained her vote on Verb today considering that she had already voted for him the day before, and then later saying the speedlynch was good... doesn't really sit right with me.

 

All I got right now. I gotta review D1 again however to compare the votes on Verb then compared to yesterdays

 

 

Saying that I didn't explain my vote on Verbal is untrue. I didn't repeat or state my reasons when I voted him at the time, true, but there are several times where I have commented on some of Verb's play and why it made me suspicious. I was also one of the ones arguing most on his claim as Deputy and how it would be a good fake claim. You have pointed this out yourself. So to say that I gave no reason to vote Verbal is a downright lie. You are misrepping big time here.

 

You can try. I'd love to see you try, in fact.

 

Imma wait for day before I say my peace about your "vote analysis"

 

Not concerned about the NK?

 

Interesting.

 

Have at it Des. Your buzzwords and WoTs don't intimidate me.

 

QFT. Notice who is still alive come day? Come at me bro.

 

Or he's scum with Des and he warned him :)

 

Possibly. I admit that Mish does look a little better now that Cloud has flipped as mafia. That's not the first time I've seen him let people defend him and not call them out for it as scum. This would allow his team to later use that evidence to get Mish lynched.

 

Adding Mish to my list of people I could vote. 

 

Oh?

[Andrej]

As for my role, it is a rather unique role I haven't seen before.  But I can say that I am townie and Darthe did not block me N1 as I did nothing N1 due to how my role works.

 

Soft claimage.

 

It's cool that you killed Cloud and all... but with Dap already flipping as a Vig I agree with Darthe that it's not likely you are a second Townie with a kill ability.

 

You've outted yourself now though as a conf-killer, so to me you're another fish to fry later.

[TheRagnarok]

I've had Andrej as town for a good while.  I feel Darthe is town based on behavior...I honestly can't blame him for never trusting me. 

 

I will be gone most of tomorrow, but Sunday I will read through a few new people as one of my two early reads was correct.  And that is true whether you find me to be SK or not.  Tina was my other early read.  Can some of y'all look through her again?

 

I want to go through Des and Leelou in particular. 

 

And keep an eye out for people focused more on me/how my role works than actually finding scum.  They will try to distract.

[TheRagnarok]

 

As for my role, it is a rather unique role I haven't seen before.  But I can say that I am townie and Darthe did not block me N1 as I did nothing N1 due to how my role works.

 

Soft claimage.

 

It's cool that you killed Cloud and all... but with Dap already flipping as a Vig I agree with Darthe that it's not likely you are a second Townie with a kill ability.

 

You've outted yourself now though as a conf-killer, so to me you're another fish to fry later.

 

I am town...but honestly...right now I'll take being a fish to fry later so long as we focus on the scummy players. 

[hazelkrs1]

@ AJ's case on me.

 

Right now I'm thinking Darthe, Mish, and AJ as scum, possibly Lenlo for disappearing (tho I know he has reason to now, with finals looming, he has still gone waaaay underground for far too long).

 

Got town reads on Pray, Leelou, Tina, and Ragnarok. Pray and Tina because if they were scum, they could have easily gotten Verb lynched D1 but didn't. They wouldn't have been called out for consolidation votes, and the manner in which they ended that day they weren't getting any kind of town cred. Tina has seemed protown to me all game. Ragnarok started off meh, but has picked up a lot since, and I don't think he would come forward and claim a kill as SK.

 

Darthe is uberscummy for trying to push for Rag's lynch on the grounds that he is SK. Firstly, Rag COULD be a SK, but has already shown a willingness to hurt the mafia team. He had been going after Cloud since D1, so him NK'ing him then claiming it shows that at the very least, he'd be a SK trying to look nice for town. Which makes him essentially zero threat to town. The second 2 NK's happen and neither is on a player that could have a legitimate case for them being scum, he'll get strung up (Rag I mean). So he'd either have to holster his NK the rest of the game or try and use it for good. Either way he's a known entity in a way, so there's no reason to lynch him anytime soon. Plus, the way he's talking about his role makes me think he's not a SK at all, in addition to the fact that he claimed the kill. I've also found Darthe off all game, thought he was forcing his meta earlier, and buddying up to people as well. A lynch on him could also give some good info since a lot of players have commented on him.

 

Mish I think could be scum because of her exchange with Cloud before day broke... looked like it could have been a gambit to me. Came out of left field, and Cloud suddenly starts casing Mish right after she mentions her "ploy" with him... yet the case was weak as hell, and Mish didn't even really respond to it. Mish is an emotional player like me, and would likely have LOVED to tear the case apart, yet didn't because there'd be no need at that point if it was a gambit. And I also don't like her saying she's off her game this game, and has just followed peeps. Reeks of her trying to keep herself from being held accountable for her actions ("But I was just following Player X you guys!").

 

AJ has seemed uberscummy to me all game, and has pushed forth the weakest of cases and reads continuously. Today is no different. Also didn't like his vote analysis post, as I mentioned it stayed way too neutral on a lot of players (including Cloud btw, huge tell there), and the way he tried implicating me seemed completely contrived, just like the rest of his case on me today. He's also been off his meta, way too aggressive for him, and has tried broaching setup talk a couple of times (asked people for their characters.... yeah).

 

Toss up between Darthe and AJ for me. Coin flip says Darthe is the way to go.

 

##Vote Darthe

[Andrej]

Lol you're a prick Des

 

Again, you refuse to bring any solid evidence against me or even attempt to show how my points against you are wrong. You simply just dismiss it and use words like 'uberscummy' as if that is compensation.

 

On Cloud: if you're going to say that by me stating I could go either way on him is telling, how would you consider your defense of him on D1? You and other players have all mentioned that it is normal for Cloud to open up games in that manner. I agree, and therefore he was null to me. Additionally, who was the loudest player declaring Cloud as scum? Verb. Someone that you made damn sure to help lynch yesterday.

 

On Leelou: How is she so suddenly a Town read for you? As I showed above, you had her with me and Darthe as the scum team. Are you going to actually provide some sort of explanation or reasoning here?

 

On Rag: Darthe's points are valid. We've already had one Town Vig show up, so him being suspicious of a second isn't illogical in my mind. It's not a stretch to think Rag claimed the kill since he hit scum in order to gain Town cred. Risky, of course, and I agree with you on the point that he's now in the open.

 

In short, you're scum. I know I'm Town, I'm reading Darthe and Mish (lesser through circumstance) as Town as well. You continue to target players that I am reading as Town or have since flipped as Town. You also named our only proven Mafia member as Town and are now using his linkage to Mish as a reason to push her lynch when you are literally guilty of the exact same thing. You say a lot of words but there's really nothing to them but generalizations. Your info is fake, you know it and I know it.

[Andrej]

Another thing... looking back at some of the quotes I pulled from you: after your Verb wagon analysis you state that Tina's over explanation of her vote doesn't sit right with you but she is listed as one of your Town players today. You say that she is Town to you because she and Pral could've easily gotten Verb lynched D1 but I don't see how that works considering that Tina was already voting him. I also don't understand why you'd connect her to Pral like that.

 

I agree on Pral though, he's in my Town pile as well for his vote on Cloud instead of consolidating on Verb D1. His reasoning that we weren't facing a random if we didn't gain majority is a sort of DGAF Town attitude IMO. I like it.

[_CLOUD]

Bah. Go Mafia.

[csarmi]

I placed Cloud as town after Verbal didn't flip scum.

 

Then he gets night killed and flips godfather. Wow.

 

Nice shooting.

 

I'll have to reread to figure out what's going on. For the record, both Rag's and Darthe's claims sound fishy to me.

 

Darts cause seriously... Town RBx1 and blocking someone with a kill on N1? Just stretches credulity.

 

Rags cause I have a hard time buying another town player with kill, and because his target selection doesn't seem logical to me as a pritown move... only in hindsight.

[Leelou]

I'll reread the thread this afternoon, but wow Des is a bucket full of either mistakes or contradictions there. Still not trusting Tina in the least. She sat on AJ Day 1 then started a push in on Verbal, pushed on him during the night and I want to double check if she did any hunting outside of just pushing Verbal's lynch Day 2. Still liking Salami for scum. I'll be back this afternoon with a vote after I get a chance to read everything and jot down some notes. 

 

Rags - care to clarify your role for us? Good shot, btw. 

[hazelkrs1]

Lol you're a prick Des

 

Again, you refuse to bring any solid evidence against me or even attempt to show how my points against you are wrong. You simply just dismiss it and use words like 'uberscummy' as if that is compensation.

 

On Cloud: if you're going to say that by me stating I could go either way on him is telling, how would you consider your defense of him on D1? You and other players have all mentioned that it is normal for Cloud to open up games in that manner. I agree, and therefore he was null to me. Additionally, who was the loudest player declaring Cloud as scum? Verb. Someone that you made damn sure to help lynch yesterday.

 

On Leelou: How is she so suddenly a Town read for you? As I showed above, you had her with me and Darthe as the scum team. Are you going to actually provide some sort of explanation or reasoning here?

 

On Rag: Darthe's points are valid. We've already had one Town Vig show up, so him being suspicious of a second isn't illogical in my mind. It's not a stretch to think Rag claimed the kill since he hit scum in order to gain Town cred. Risky, of course, and I agree with you on the point that he's now in the open.

 

In short, you're scum. I know I'm Town, I'm reading Darthe and Mish (lesser through circumstance) as Town as well. You continue to target players that I am reading as Town or have since flipped as Town. You also named our only proven Mafia member as Town and are now using his linkage to Mish as a reason to push her lynch when you are literally guilty of the exact same thing. You say a lot of words but there's really nothing to them but generalizations. Your info is fake, you know it and I know it.

 

I've cased you more than once, and shown examples of you being scummy.

 

As far as Cloud goes, yes, I did think he was town early D1 for meta reasons. I did start to go back on that tho and ended up changing my mind. Didn't have a strong scum read on him, but def didn't feel as good about him as I did initially. Either way, I stated my feelings about him very clearly each time, instead of fence-sit on him, which you did.

 

I meant to say Pray and Leelou in my last post, not Pray and Tina. Pray voted an outlier at the end, Leelou said she would hammer but never voted him. Obviously my reasoning for thinking she was town wouldn't make sense for Tina, you should have been able to pick up on that, You're reaching for w/e you can to make me look scummy.

 

There are multiple possible killing roles out there besides just Vig and SK. And nothing says there can only be one Vig, in my game in the BT there were four. A SK is ALWAYS best served staying hidden. Claiming a kill for town cred makes no sense. What happens when town thinks all scum is dead but the game still goes on? They lynch the dude who claimed a kill in case he's a SK. It's not illogical to be suspicious of Rag because a Vig already flipped, but Darthe's reasoning about using his RM shot on him N1 is. I actually think Darthe might be a RB'er, but is a scum one.

 

What gives you a town read on Darthe and Mish?

 

I didn't have the same type of interaction with Cloud that Mish did. But even if I did, being a hypocrite wouldn't make me scum. I could have had a genuine interaction with him, whereas theirs was staged.

 

Again, you're grasping at straws to try to make me look scummy. It won't work.

[hazelkrs1]

I placed Cloud as town after Verbal didn't flip scum.

 

Then he gets night killed and flips godfather. Wow.

 

Nice shooting.

 

I'll have to reread to figure out what's going on. For the record, both Rag's and Darthe's claims sound fishy to me.

 

Darts cause seriously... Town RBx1 and blocking someone with a kill on N1? Just stretches credulity.

 

Rags cause I have a hard time buying another town player with kill, and because his target selection doesn't seem logical to me as a pritown move... only in hindsight.

 

To bolded: Rag's target selection DOES make sense, when you consider that he was going after him from the beginning of the game.

 

Ever since I first prodded him bout the Champions thing, his reaction and play all give me a town vibe. I'm not voting him today.