[Basic] The Walking Dead Mafia - Game Over. Theo Wins!

[hazelkrs1]

The Walking Dead is an intense series and sorry but in the beginning I thought to go for the obvious - the walkers/dead/zombies to be the mafia, so I asked a question whether we would have a themed mafia team and could this be revealed? Then in the development of the game, I changed my mind. You are making too much of a deal of it.

You could be telling the truth, then again you could not be. You say you went for the obvious... but then why would you think zombies would be mafia? The Walkers are just a part of their world, an ever-present threat. The drama the show is built around is the conflict between humans. I could see someone who hadn't watched the show assuming zombies would be mafia, but a follower of the show? Sorry, it's a hard pill for me to swallow.

 

My read on you was Town, Despo, so how am I discrediting you?!

I'm referring to when you commented about my character. You didn't come right out and say it, but that pretty much makes it worse. It looks like you wanted to make others worried about me because of Andrea's fate in the show, even tho you yourself had a character with much more questionable alignment.

 

Frankly, I just don't think the wifom surrounding you being Shane will go away till you do.

 

I still think Dap, Desp, Err, Golden (I hope I am not mistaken) are town.

 

At this stage we need to lynch Mafia.

Why do you think Err is town?

[Theodora]

You see, if I could post the role I received, everything would be clear, but I am not allowed.

 

I think Err is town because he states his opinion well, gives his logic behind it and I have the pro-town feel from him - that he is trying to help town.

[hazelkrs1]

I thought you said you were vanilla? Or are you talking about quoting your role pm? That's a big no-no btw. In pretty much any game.

 

So you think those people are town. What about who you think of as scum?

[Babar Hasan Khan]

 

 

Any reason why I'm the top of your scum list?

Those weren't in order. You three are just my team pick ATM :)

 

 

 

 

Err:

I’m finding Errs play to be all over the places, and think he’s definitely underplaying his knowledge (or at least his posts on setup seem to contradict each other).  On the one hand he appears to have knowledge of how to balance a game, the potential of roles that act as recruiters(?) or resurrections.  But then both asks about lovers and talks (briefly) about lovers theory.  Disappears for a couple of days then reappears just after the lynch and suddenly becomes active.  After voting Peace he then seems to tunnel on Golden, up until his reveal – his mafia targets are Dora & myself (with no reasoning) and then Peace (as Peace shows interest in lynching somebody other than Golden, despite saying he wants talk during Day 2) and myself (now on gut)

 

 

i agree that we shouldnt lynch and end the day without discussing what happened in the last 24 hours.... deadline is on tuesday... we shouuld make use of the time.... having that said i m not taking my vote off golden any time soon....

 

Golden has jumped on every one who had the highest vote at the time of posting the votes... there has been only one exception to this rule.... you!!! and now you coming to deflect votes from him... convinces me more you are the scum.... i mentioned i thought u were a scum (75%) at the end of the D1 post.... now its more of a 90%

 

and so that you do not accuse me later in the game for being L3, L2 or L1 vote....... i will vote for you next! 

 

 

(http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092049)

 

(although I will say that when Golden revealed he didn't automatically vote for Peace after unvoting, so he is thinking things through)

 

So what sort of talk does he want?

Here he asks about special roles using examples of inspector/doctor http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3087778

 

Then wonders if there might be some reanimation/recruitment role which suggests some knowledge of advanced roles (fine so far – setup varies between groups) http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3088055

 

Votes no lynch because of it (potential reanimation) (itself strange, because Town need to lynch in order to win) http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3088056

 

Votes Peace to ‘hear them defend’ http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3088116 [on a side I find it interesting that Mish picks up on Dora voting Ishy using similar language, but seems to ignore this, (Dora did follow up on Ishy though) (http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3090986)]

 

Briefly joins off-topic conversation, then disappears for 2 days.

 

Town vibe off Nolder for his voting & unvoting.  Votes Goldeneyes for coming in late on trains http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3090592 makes a very strange post that sort of links him and Mish.

 

Says that Lenlo & Mish can’t afford to be neutral

 

Responds to Goldens ‘wonders who he’s protecting’ with a no one to protect by giving him an only vote, only has vote trains to go on.

 

Thinks Dap is more likely to be Towny because of the high vote train.

 

Thinks that if Golden is walker than so are Dora and myself

 

Implies that he’s been working at avoiding notice/conflicts by applying that reasoning to Mish http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091471

 

Thinks Golden is mafia

 

END Day 1, Lenlo/Pral flip Town lovers, and suddenly becomes active.

 

Accuses Golden of jumping again to Des http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091475 and then puts Lenlo at L-1 http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091481 (I don’t understand why this last would be an issue – Town needs to lynch, this was 2 hours before deadline, and there weren’t enough people around to secure a lynch on anyone other than Peace or Lenlo, one of whom soft-claimed a role)

 

Implies some knowledge of game balance (2 teams of mafia would need the numbers reducing) http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091478

 

Surprised that 2 people are dead http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091485 and suggests 2 mafia teams again or vigilante roles.

 

‘Lovers theory makes sense now’ http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091508, this implies that he has heard of lovers before so why did he need to ask about the 2 kills?

 

Blame on voters http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091510 – and the people who weren’t around to secure a lynch?

 

Mafia list is now: Golden, Peace, BFG

 

Nighttime talk

 

Start Day 2:

 

Votes Golden http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091993

 

Tells everyone else to stop at L1 or L2 to talk – just ugh http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092000

 

Says that Golden should address the Town with justifications http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092006 (but doesn’t say what the justifications needed are)

 

A couple of strange posts http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092037 says that his reason was based off voting pattern, but if there’s a chance he’s townie would like to hear it.  And http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092040 ‘its not L3’ um yes it is.  L-3 says that 3 votes are needed to lynch him that’s it.  That’s what that vote did.  Would have been the first if he’d checked the post earlier…

 

Says he will vote Peace next http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092049

 

Says that mafia only have nighttime chat http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092057

 

Might unvote to prevent a short day

 

Unvotes http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092192

 

Has to reread and will (presumably) be looking at Ishy, Mish, myself, Leelou & Peace

 

for now

vote Err

thank you for summarizing things now i can present how i see the same posts that you are quoting.

 

Inquisitive nature:

I still think that figuring out how many mafias, godfathers, lovers, doctors and inspectors to expect is necessary to make informed decisions.... and i am going to ask more follow up questions if something is not clear

 

Yes, I thought Nodler was the most potentially a towny... and now we all know he was

 

I suspected Golden most because how he changed his votes in the end of day one... i thought Dap was a towny and Golden was going after him just to lynch him... and i thought he had no good reason to go after lenlo for which i asked for justifications...... Dap and Lenlo turned out to be towny too

 

i was wrong about Golden but that was based on the people who he went after in D1..... 

 

I saw Golden and Peace as being on the same side... so thats y i suspected Peace also along with Golden

 

i thought there might be 2 mafia teams at first also because of title "kill the dead and fear the living" and also we had characters which even tough belonged to the living turned out to be not that good in the series.... one mafia theory makes more sense now that we have a bomb in the game

 

yes it was the L3 vote, what i meant was that it would not have been if only i checked the post a little earlier since i had clearly expressed the mistrust of Golden.

 

i will reread things yes keeping an eye of ishy, mish mostly and also BFG, leelou, peace but as of now i must admit i m a little lost since the guy i was gunning for turned out innocent.... 

 

 

 

(Guess I wasn't clear.) 

 

I have three problems with your play.

 

1, your level of knowledge isn't consistent.  Some can be explained by the difference between online play and real life play, clarifications about roles is also fine as traditional roles used will vary between groups.  But you seem to have enough knowledge to suggest untraditional roles/set-ups (such as resurrection(?) or recruitment, 2 mafia teams...), you don't seem to have had any problem with the concept of a bomb, but you didn't catch/understand lovers, even though lover was part of the coroners description, and you later referred to a 'lover theory' which sounds to me like it's a concept you had heard before and thus 'acting dumb' on thread.

 

2, you became a lot more active once day ended, missed deadline and were absent/lurking for 2 days during Day 1.  You also left your vote parked on someone that was never going to gain traction (although as someone else said, you don't know about DM's noob first day pass so this last is meh, but considering the vote was made less than 24 hours to deadline, you didn't seem to spend much time arguing it)

 

3, Trying to direct Towns play (this is the most important).  On the one hand you didn't want anyone else to vote Golden as you wanted discussion, yet you were voting him yourself.  The moment Peace came and voted someone else (with stated reasons of trying to build discussion around something that happened yesterday) you jumped on him for trying to derail the lynch on Golden.  So you want discussion (or say you do, because that's a Townie thing to say), but the instant someone else tries to say something it's effectively 'no, we're here to lynch Golden...' So what exactly was it you wanted to discuss? 

 

ok simple to explain

 

1. as i said earlier i have played mafia in rl but first time playing online.... even tough things sound the same at first... i realized they were not during this game.... for example, when playing mafia face2face.... there is not seperate thread for mafia to talk.... at night they simply come to consensuses who to kill by unanimously pointing to one person while townys have their eyes closed.... so they are not able to really chat or make strategies during the day and get very insignificant information passed on amoungst each other durign night by gestures.... and that is y i didnt understand how Golden could be coached if mafias were only allowed to talk at night.

 

i have played with lovers in games but they were always both from opposing teams.... that is they both couldnt be townies.... one had to be a towny and other mafia.... they formed the 3rd team in the came and could win by defeating mafia and citizens.... so they work with their respective families at first to kill as much as they can then eventually betray each others families for the love...... so when we had 2 kills in the first night.... it didnt come to my mind that they both could be lovers infact i sort of confirmed my previous theory that their might be 2 mafia families (one walkers other Generals, walker kill at night, General kill in the morning).... it only made sense when it was pointed out and i remembered they are actually a couple in the series too.... 

 

2. during the first part of day 1, i must admit i had difficulty in remembering all 12 others players and who said what..... only after rereading things over a couple of time and finally getting fictional images of players in my head sorted that i started speaking up (eg i see Nolder a duck for some reason, peace havign long hair and tatoos metal gear fan, BFG as her regular self :P etc)

 

3. let me clarify again the last point... until Golden revealed his role i was going after him.... there has been a build up for me to vote for him at that point... it was not out of the blue... thats y i said my L3 vote is not a L3 vote... i made my vote clear not in one but multiple posts that i will vote for him the next day if i had checked the post few hours earlier i would had been the first to vote for him.... my stand at that point was i m going for a golden lynch.... but also want to hold off final vote so that we dont loose the day time to discuss more.... where u are saying when "someone else" comes to say something i say no we are here to lynch Golden... well it was not just any someone it was Peace.... and i have said it a multiple times, i thought they were on the same team.... so for me what peace did was very very suspicious

[Theodora]

Yes, Shane is Vanilla Town - I don't need to explain more.

 

My scum read: obviously peace since I voted him twice, I don't want this to be regarder as tunnelling but to me he is the most obvious one. I feel very uncomforable about Ishy and Leelou and at this stage I would mark them as scum.

 

Ishy: Not one of the most active and yet he starts a train on Lenlo when you have two trains with 3 people on because of Len's inactivity?! When the lynch reveals Len is town, Ishy tries to get away from his responsibility - Len was to blame, couldn't defend himself well. I agree that Len could have been more active, but when you have the Peace train  to start a train on the non-active at day one for inactivity - scummy enough for me.

 

Leelou: Why making the game longer by forming a train of Pral? And after she said we need to speed up as nothing happened. To find scum, it would be better to see who is saying one thing and doing another.

 

And I don't know if this is a coincidence or not but look at the paralel: Leelou starts a train on a townie that is outside the radar, Ishy does the same. Peace was on Dap.

 

And of course Nolder is killed which everyone expected as he was helping town a lot with his comments.

[Andrej]

Vote Count 2.7

Peace (2) - Dap, Theodora

Leelou (1) - Goldeneyes

Err (2) - BFG, Peace

Theodora (1) - Despo

Not Voting: Mish, Err, Leelou, Ishy
10 alive, 6 to lynch.

Deadline: 10PM PST, Tuesday, Nov. 26

[Leelou]

I will do my reread when I get to work this morning. A couple quick things on current events though.

 

1. Peace - what kind of bomb are you?

 

2. I don't think testing if Peace is a bomb or not is a good idea today. I'd like at least one dead scum before testing that.

 

3. Theo - how was Nolder the obvious NK candidate?

 

4. SK isn't necessarily ruled out because of only one kill, they could have either gone for the same person as the mafia or hit the doc or holstered. Personally I'm not sure of an sk or a bomb because it's a basic set up and there were already lovers and what appears to be a cop.

[Theodora]

I will do my reread when I get to work this morning. A couple quick things on current events though.

 

1. Peace - what kind of bomb are you?

 

2. I don't think testing if Peace is a bomb or not is a good idea today. I'd like at least one dead scum before testing that.

 

3. Theo - how was Nolder the obvious NK candidate?

 

4. SK isn't necessarily ruled out because of only one kill, they could have either gone for the same person as the mafia or hit the doc or holstered. Personally I'm not sure of an sk or a bomb because it's a basic set up and there were already lovers and what appears to be a cop.

3. Nolder was very helpful to town in my opinion and one of the experienced. They would like to kill an experienced townie obviously. Leelou, they won't kill you or Ishy as you were either part of them and besides, you both weren't very active,so (even if you are townie), you could wait. Despo - why killing him, since some people have doubts that he is scum, because of the derailed Dap train and town could lynch him during the day.

[peacesells]

Real quick post before I head out.  Getting on a plane to Denver this morning for work.  Will be sketchy for the next 48 hours.

 

Bomb question.  I take out the hammer vote with me and I may or may not take out the NK submitter.  I'll let the scum team determine if they want to risk that.

 

 

Don't have time to get into..but Err..some serious logic fail on your numbers deal with lynching me.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Real quick post before I head out.  Getting on a plane to Denver this morning for work.  Will be sketchy for the next 48 hours.

 

Bomb question.  I take out the hammer vote with me and I may or may not take out the NK submitter.  I'll let the scum team determine if they want to risk that.

 

 

Don't have time to get into..but Err..some serious logic fail on your numbers deal with lynching me.

yes, i thought u and golden were working together.... after golden relieved his role... there is now a much much lesser chance that i suspect you are a scum 

[michellem]

This post from BFG:

 

 

 

 

Any reason why I'm the top of your scum list?

Those weren't in order. You three are just my team pick ATM :)

 

 

 

 

Err:

I’m finding Errs play to be all over the places, and think he’s definitely underplaying his knowledge (or at least his posts on setup seem to contradict each other).  On the one hand he appears to have knowledge of how to balance a game, the potential of roles that act as recruiters(?) or resurrections.  But then both asks about lovers and talks (briefly) about lovers theory.  Disappears for a couple of days then reappears just after the lynch and suddenly becomes active.  After voting Peace he then seems to tunnel on Golden, up until his reveal – his mafia targets are Dora & myself (with no reasoning) and then Peace (as Peace shows interest in lynching somebody other than Golden, despite saying he wants talk during Day 2) and myself (now on gut)

 

 

i agree that we shouldnt lynch and end the day without discussing what happened in the last 24 hours.... deadline is on tuesday... we shouuld make use of the time.... having that said i m not taking my vote off golden any time soon....

 

Golden has jumped on every one who had the highest vote at the time of posting the votes... there has been only one exception to this rule.... you!!! and now you coming to deflect votes from him... convinces me more you are the scum.... i mentioned i thought u were a scum (75%) at the end of the D1 post.... now its more of a 90%

 

and so that you do not accuse me later in the game for being L3, L2 or L1 vote....... i will vote for you next! 

 

 

(http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092049)

 

(although I will say that when Golden revealed he didn't automatically vote for Peace after unvoting, so he is thinking things through)

 

So what sort of talk does he want?

Here he asks about special roles using examples of inspector/doctor http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3087778

 

Then wonders if there might be some reanimation/recruitment role which suggests some knowledge of advanced roles (fine so far – setup varies between groups) http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3088055

 

Votes no lynch because of it (potential reanimation) (itself strange, because Town need to lynch in order to win) http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3088056

 

Votes Peace to ‘hear them defend’ http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3088116 [on a side I find it interesting that Mish picks up on Dora voting Ishy using similar language, but seems to ignore this, (Dora did follow up on Ishy though) (http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3090986)]

 

Briefly joins off-topic conversation, then disappears for 2 days.

 

Town vibe off Nolder for his voting & unvoting.  Votes Goldeneyes for coming in late on trains http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3090592 makes a very strange post that sort of links him and Mish.

 

Says that Lenlo & Mish can’t afford to be neutral

 

Responds to Goldens ‘wonders who he’s protecting’ with a no one to protect by giving him an only vote, only has vote trains to go on.

 

Thinks Dap is more likely to be Towny because of the high vote train.

 

Thinks that if Golden is walker than so are Dora and myself

 

Implies that he’s been working at avoiding notice/conflicts by applying that reasoning to Mish http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091471

 

Thinks Golden is mafia

 

END Day 1, Lenlo/Pral flip Town lovers, and suddenly becomes active.

 

Accuses Golden of jumping again to Des http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091475 and then puts Lenlo at L-1 http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091481 (I don’t understand why this last would be an issue – Town needs to lynch, this was 2 hours before deadline, and there weren’t enough people around to secure a lynch on anyone other than Peace or Lenlo, one of whom soft-claimed a role)

 

Implies some knowledge of game balance (2 teams of mafia would need the numbers reducing) http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091478

 

Surprised that 2 people are dead http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091485 and suggests 2 mafia teams again or vigilante roles.

 

‘Lovers theory makes sense now’ http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091508, this implies that he has heard of lovers before so why did he need to ask about the 2 kills?

 

Blame on voters http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091510 – and the people who weren’t around to secure a lynch?

 

Mafia list is now: Golden, Peace, BFG

 

Nighttime talk

 

Start Day 2:

 

Votes Golden http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091993

 

Tells everyone else to stop at L1 or L2 to talk – just ugh http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092000

 

Says that Golden should address the Town with justifications http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092006 (but doesn’t say what the justifications needed are)

 

A couple of strange posts http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092037 says that his reason was based off voting pattern, but if there’s a chance he’s townie would like to hear it.  And http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092040 ‘its not L3’ um yes it is.  L-3 says that 3 votes are needed to lynch him that’s it.  That’s what that vote did.  Would have been the first if he’d checked the post earlier…

 

Says he will vote Peace next http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092049

 

Says that mafia only have nighttime chat http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092057

 

Might unvote to prevent a short day

 

Unvotes http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092192

 

Has to reread and will (presumably) be looking at Ishy, Mish, myself, Leelou & Peace

 

for now

vote Err

thank you for summarizing things now i can present how i see the same posts that you are quoting.

 

Inquisitive nature:

I still think that figuring out how many mafias, godfathers, lovers, doctors and inspectors to expect is necessary to make informed decisions.... and i am going to ask more follow up questions if something is not clear

 

Yes, I thought Nodler was the most potentially a towny... and now we all know he was

 

I suspected Golden most because how he changed his votes in the end of day one... i thought Dap was a towny and Golden was going after him just to lynch him... and i thought he had no good reason to go after lenlo for which i asked for justifications...... Dap and Lenlo turned out to be towny too

 

i was wrong about Golden but that was based on the people who he went after in D1..... 

 

I saw Golden and Peace as being on the same side... so thats y i suspected Peace also along with Golden

 

i thought there might be 2 mafia teams at first also because of title "kill the dead and fear the living" and also we had characters which even tough belonged to the living turned out to be not that good in the series.... one mafia theory makes more sense now that we have a bomb in the game

 

yes it was the L3 vote, what i meant was that it would not have been if only i checked the post a little earlier since i had clearly expressed the mistrust of Golden.

 

i will reread things yes keeping an eye of ishy, mish mostly and also BFG, leelou, peace but as of now i must admit i m a little lost since the guy i was gunning for turned out innocent.... 

 

 

 

(Guess I wasn't clear.) 

 

I have three problems with your play.

 

1, your level of knowledge isn't consistent.  Some can be explained by the difference between online play and real life play, clarifications about roles is also fine as traditional roles used will vary between groups.  But you seem to have enough knowledge to suggest untraditional roles/set-ups (such as resurrection(?) or recruitment, 2 mafia teams...), you don't seem to have had any problem with the concept of a bomb, but you didn't catch/understand lovers, even though lover was part of the coroners description, and you later referred to a 'lover theory' which sounds to me like it's a concept you had heard before and thus 'acting dumb' on thread.

 

2, you became a lot more active once day ended, missed deadline and were absent/lurking for 2 days during Day 1.  You also left your vote parked on someone that was never going to gain traction (although as someone else said, you don't know about DM's noob first day pass so this last is meh, but considering the vote was made less than 24 hours to deadline, you didn't seem to spend much time arguing it)

 

3, Trying to direct Towns play (this is the most important).  On the one hand you didn't want anyone else to vote Golden as you wanted discussion, yet you were voting him yourself.  The moment Peace came and voted someone else (with stated reasons of trying to build discussion around something that happened yesterday) you jumped on him for trying to derail the lynch on Golden.  So you want discussion (or say you do, because that's a Townie thing to say), but the instant someone else tries to say something it's effectively 'no, we're here to lynch Golden...' So what exactly was it you wanted to discuss? 

 

 

 

 

gives me more of a townie feel on her, good post.

 

 

I was gonna look over hers and Dora's posts yesterday, and then y husband decided we were going out to eat, so I forgot <.< Des has brought up some of the points I were looking for in Dora. I'd like a VC before I vote though, I don't wanna accidentally hammer. I'm going out for a few hours though, time to tackle those christmas presents.

 

 

Also, holy cow a game where Des does NOT FoS me at least ten times by D3? I might just die of shock

[Leelou]

2. Peace - Claims T-Bone Bomb - not sure about this claim. It's a convenient claim to make as scum, but not something I'm willing to test until we lynch a scum. 
3. Despo - Claims Andrea Vanilla, posts feel town
5. BFG - getting a general townie feel from her posts. Actively scum hunting. 
6. Mish - her posts are giving me a general townie vibe, but she has been good at hiding as scum. Slightly weary 
7. Theodora - Claims Shane Vanilla - her posts feel off, not very townie. Willing to vote here
9. Dap - cop cleared by Goldy
10. Goldeneyes - Claims cop
11. Leelou - very bad, bad townie. Sorry. I'll try to remedy this. 
12. Err - His first online game, but a lot of his reasoning and directing town is giving a scum vibe. Willing to vote here
13. Ishy - I'm going to be hypocritical, but I know I'm town. Ishy seems to not really be engaged in the game. Neutral to scum

 

I'm willing to vote Ishy, Theo and Err after going through everything. Theo and Err are giving the strongest pings. 

 

Vote Theo

[Andrej]

Vote Count 2.8

Peace (2) - Dap, Theodora

Leelou (1) - Goldeneyes

Err (2) - BFG, Peace

Theodora (3) - Despo, Leelou, Mish

Not Voting: Err, Ishy
10 alive, 6 to lynch.

Deadline: 10PM PST, Tuesday, Nov. 26 (36.5 hours from now)

[michellem]

Vote Dora

 

Thanksies for the VC, AJ.

[Andrej]

Ask and receive

 

Your vote is added to the latest VC.

[Theodora]

Why, Mish? That I am all over the place - how could I get any info otherwise. Besides, I was as transperent as possible, being Shane and Vanilla. Tell me why?

[michellem]

 

 

I knew Nol was a good candidate to be killed by the mafia - he delivered very good posts and reads that could help town. I was almost sure he was the cop.

 

I am sorry for not being that active as I usually am but I think I've caught a cold as I have fever and my head hurts a lot.

 

For the fact I have been "all over the place", stated by Mish, actually I have been on two trains  and I still believe Peace should be lynched, together with his buddy Goldeneyes. Also, I can not be 100% sure about anyone at this stage, so changing my opinion is not something illegal. I changed it about Dap. I don't know why Ishy started that train on Len for inactivity (instead of lynching Peace) but I guess mobsters laughed a lot and jumped right on the opportunity to lynch town. 

 

And Goldeneyes, I am a newbie too and according to the rules I am reading, you have scum written on your forehead, so I have to do this:

 

Vote Goldeneyes

 

It is time a mobster is killed.

 

Bolded: Really now? That's interesting. Is that why you chose to have him NK'ed?

Blue: Wich rules? Also, fair warning, over-use the newbie card and people will use it against you.

Green: So you think Ishy is town then?

 

 

 

Dora, you never answered me on this.

[Theodora]

I never saw you asking.

 

Blue: The rule for nebiew which you posted (I think it was Peace & Darthe. )

 

I cannot know what Ishy is at this stage but considering I let it all out, I don't know what you need more - we have 3 town dead, don't do it to another one.

 

I don't know what Ishy is 100% but the parallel is therere - Ishy, leenlo voting townies that got lynched.

[Leelou]

Theo is posting a lot of why me posts. 

 

The newbie rule is not to lynch someone on Day 1 in their first game. You've already played in one game and it does feel like you are pushing your newbieness a bit too much. If you flip scum I'll most likely be looking at Ishy as your scum buddy. 

[John E. Kelley]

Wait, what? Why in the world am I being linked to Theo?

[michellem]

I never saw you asking.

 

Blue: The rule for nebiew which you posted (I think it was Peace & Darthe. )

 

I cannot know what Ishy is at this stage but considering I let it all out, I don't know what you need more - we have 3 town dead, don't do it to another one.

 

I don't know what Ishy is 100% but the parallel is therere - Ishy, leenlo voting townies that got lynched.

 

A lot of us voted townies that got lynched, a full 7 of us in fact. I voted Len too. Can't see you trying to paint me scummy over it.

[michellem]

Ok, this isn't all of Theo's posts, and some are in the wrong order because the ISO function decided to be funny about that

 

I don't know a lot of the people around here, so, nice to meet you everyone. I am Theo and I prefer the day as I am afraid of zombies and the dark. I literally had to close my eyes at certain scenes in the Living Dead series. This is my second Mafia Game ever, so another newbie here. Maybe we should all introduce each other with a sentence or two?

 

Her second posts, and is that just general chatting, or subtly planting the idea that she is def not a zombie? I dunno, null tell, but I find it worthy of being included nonteless.
 

So, until now we have a guy without pants, another one of Despo stalkers, a Kevin James fan, a bunch of newbies... What did I sign up for?

 
Chatty fluff.

 

Haha, I know you, of course Leelou, you were Help-Modding my lynch during my 1st Mafia. Who could forget that?
 
I have a horrible dentist phobia as well and days before I go, I am like ill :(

 

More chatty fluff.
 

I would like to see how a very experienced player would defend himself at this stage, so:
 
I vote Ishy

 

This is where I first started paying attention to her... (especially together with Err's very similar post after). Defend himself from what exactly? One plainly unserious vote at the start of D1? What did you expect to get out of him?
 

 

It's a very simple zombie MMO.
I was quite addicted to it for awhile several years ago.

 
Did you get bitten there and now you return as a walker?

 

 

Here Dora chats a bit with Nolder about something that has nothing to do with this particular theme or game.
 

So is our mafia with themed name? Walkers/Zombies?

 

Starts speculating about the mafia team, like Des has pointed out before.
 

 

Did you see how well we did last time we were mafia together

but alas we arent

 
Dap, ok, you know your alighnment for this game, but how could you know that Lenlo isn't mafia?

 

 

Starts prodding at Dap, when it should have been pretty ovbious what he was saying. He was talking abouter being mafia together. If Dap is town, of course he knows that he and Ishy isn't mafia together.
 

Why isn't Ishy participating? RL got him, or he is looking for pants? Guilty conscience? You know him better.

 

Looking for Ishy...
 
 

AJ!
 
Is this a real photo (the second pic) of one of our mobsters? Like Wanted Dead or ... erm Dead poster?!
 
Now it's easy then, everyone start smelling the person next to you for rotting smell and be aware of falling human parts! I found a nose! Whose is it?

 
Again, more speculating about the mafia. 

 

 

 

Yes, BFG, you could call me Dora.
 
I am hearing such superlatives about Ishy and Mafia games, so I wanted to see him in action. Don't mistake it for tunnelling.
 
Why the divertion?

 
What diversion?

 

Talking about a show that has nothing to do with the game, I was just wondering why?

 

 

And here Dora starts chastising BFG for talking about something unrelated to the game. Wich, as I've pointed out before, Dap started, and also Err and Gold joined. Dora has herself talked about things that have nothing to do with this particular game. So, why the need to poke fingers at 1 person doing it, and not the others?

 

Also, in green: Over-defensive much?
 

 

 

Why isn't Ishy participating? RL got him, or he is looking for pants? Guilty conscience? You know him better.

 
Ishy has a job. To earn income he doesn't waste on frivolous things. Like pants.

 

I wanted to see what you will read from the past days and some activity to get to know you as a player.
 
Unvote Ishy
Vote Dap
 
Reason: Scummy enough to start talking about a series that has nothing to do with the current game. It might be silly mode (being drunk) but drink has it's price, especially in Mafia games when everything can be read as a case; I have to trust my intuition as well.

 

 

And now suddenly she's realized it was Dap that started the Avatar-talk, and that is scummy enough to warrant a vote. She didn't give Nolder one when he started talking about something unrelated though. And again, a bit of overdefensiveness in the intuition-line. Also, at this time Dap was the biggest train, she put him at L-2 with no other decent sized trains in sight.
 

I voted Ishy because he was the only one I knew from other interaction and knew that he was quite good in Mafia, but yet I did not witness his style. I did not want to say BFG or Dap are worse players,or less experienced, I just haven't had a chance to meet you, guys. It was an initial vote which I was going to change, once I got some reaction from Ishy which was my vote's intention. I suspected Dap because of the spam thing in the beginning and I just played consequently - Ishy arrived and I changed my vote immediately to the person I already pointed out that he seems scummy to me. Train or no train. I am vanilla and my point is toeliminate scum.
 
About intuition - people have styles/strategies in this game. I trust my intuition, so it takes some part of my decisions, like it or not.
 
I suspect Despo is town as well after this weird move, or he is part of a huge brilliant mobster plot, too big to be suspcted by the likes of me.

 
Again, what kind of reactions did you expect from Ishy? 

You hadn't pointed out that you found Dap scummy earlier at all (green line). And there were several other people spamming, including yourself.

 

More defensiveness.

 

Guys, I'll need some help, please - if the Mafia game is based on a real series like this one. Does our alignment has something to do with our character's faith? I was a bit intrigued by what AJ said - look at the name of the day "...Fear the living". And I know what happens to Andrea (Despo's claimed char), not to spoil anyone's pleasure of the series but she well...you know.

 

Random set-up talk, also discrediting Des' character, as pointed out before.
 

 

^nudging the Des train and staying on dap

What logic would it have if I do that. It was a simple question.

 

 

Very, very defensive.
 

I would like to change my vote and I would like you to see my point.
 
1. I am still not sure if Dap is scumm, his actions in the beginning seemed so, therefore I voted.
2. Nolder - he posts regularly, with well developed arguments, so I believe he helps townies, therefore is town, maybe with a bigger role.
3. Despo - I have seen him playing, he sounded scummy to a lot of people then as well but he was not. Also, he is an experienced player, I doubt he would make such a move to derail the Dap train if he was a mobster, way too obvious - he knew his head might be chopped for this. So either Dap is the Boss of the Mafia who Desp protects, or Despo is vanilla indeed. I do believe he is townie as he said eenumerated some of the characters that are alive (not zombies) but he considered they shouuld be the Mafia team in the game (not the zombies). One of those characters is my role and I know my alignment as town.
4. So, let's see Peace - honestly, I cannot figure out some of your posts, like you are playing too many games at once, which annoys me. These are good enough reasons for me not to be in a game. Also, first he is inactive, then post some random quotes and when pressured to take position, he is suggesting Despo's scumm.
 
Unvote Dap
 
Vote Peace

 

1. Exactly what about Dap's actions were scummy to begin with? What made you change your mind?

2. Why on earth would you point it out if you think Nolder had a role? Also, nice way of buddying up to the NK target...

3. I don't know what to say about this.

4. You didn't like Ishy starting the Len-train because Len was inactive, but you think it's ok to vote Peace because he's inactive?
 

 

It is a true claim, Despo, otherwise I would have chosen a less controversial character or I would have never ever hinted that my character is among those, that you listed as possible mafia. Why to drag the attention on me?

 

For town cred, ofc. Also, "mafia would never". Bah.
 

 

 

I am Shane and Vanilla, Despo. I cannot reveal more of my role but I don't know why you try to flip it on me when we could get Peace this time. Err gives good reads, sounds pro-town, just like Nol was. As I said, when you mentioned the five characters (including Shane), I could have stayed low and not admit my character is one of the listed above.

 

 

Why do you want to get Peace again? Because he is inactive?

Tying Err to Nol, trying to make them the same in our heads, since we know Nolder was town. If Dora flips mafia, it's Errs turn tomorrow.
 

The Walking Dead is an intense series and sorry but in the beginning I thought to go for the obvious - the walkers/dead/zombies to be the mafia, so I asked a question whether we would have a themed mafia team and could this be revealed? Then in the development of the game, I changed my mind. You are making too much of a deal of it. 
 
My read on you was Town, Despo, so how am I discrediting you?!
 
I still think Dap, Desp, Err, Golden (I hope I am not mistaken) are town.
 
At this stage we need to lynch Mafia.

 

How come your read on Dap changed? And I don't like that disclaimer (hope I'm not mistaken). And yes, we need to lynch mafia, we always need to lynch mafia. It's the point of the game.
 

You see, if I could post the role I received, everything would be clear, but I am not allowed.
 
I think Err is town because he states his opinion well, gives his logic behind it and I have the pro-town feel from him - that he is trying to help town.

 
You can't expect people to just drop all attention on you just because you claim. Mafia lies all the time, and the only way we know if you're telling the truth, is your coroner report. It's what we all have to live with.

 

Mafia states their opinions well too, and has good logic behind it, and they are very keen on looking like they are trying to help town. Again, my point with Err and Dora stands. This is at least 3 clear connections between them, I don't remember if there's more in Err's posts.

 

Yes, Shane is Vanilla Town - I don't need to explain more.
 
My scum read: obviously peace since I voted him twice, I don't want this to be regarder as tunnelling but to me he is the most obvious one. I feel very uncomforable about Ishy and Leelou and at this stage I would mark them as scum.
 
Ishy: Not one of the most active and yet he starts a train on Lenlo when you have two trains with 3 people on because of Len's inactivity?! When the lynch reveals Len is town, Ishy tries to get away from his responsibility - Len was to blame, couldn't defend himself well. I agree that Len could have been more active, but when you have the Peace train  to start a train on the non-active at day one for inactivity - scummy enough for me.
 
Leelou: Why making the game longer by forming a train of Pral? And after she said we need to speed up as nothing happened. To find scum, it would be better to see who is saying one thing and doing another.
 
And I don't know if this is a coincidence or not but look at the paralel: Leelou starts a train on a townie that is outside the radar, Ishy does the same. Peace was on Dap.
 
And of course Nolder is killed which everyone expected as he was helping town a lot with his comments.

 

Again, defensive about being seen as tunneling, brings it up pre-emptivly. She still hasn't given a proper reason except inactivity, wich, again, apparantly was a very bad reason to start the train on Len and makes Ishy scummy...

 

Also, can you really say that Len didn't make a big mistake in not revealing and playing like he did?

 

Thinks Leelou is scummy for making the game longer? A long D1 is a good thing for town. Mafia wants the day over and a lynch secured ASAP so that town has less things to analyze later.

 

Buddying to dead Nolder and slightly to Dap.
 
 

 

I will do my reread when I get to work this morning. A couple quick things on current events though.

1. Peace - what kind of bomb are you?

2. I don't think testing if Peace is a bomb or not is a good idea today. I'd like at least one dead scum before testing that.

3. Theo - how was Nolder the obvious NK candidate?

4. SK isn't necessarily ruled out because of only one kill, they could have either gone for the same person as the mafia or hit the doc or holstered. Personally I'm not sure of an sk or a bomb because it's a basic set up and there were already lovers and what appears to be a cop.

3. Nolder was very helpful to town in my opinion and one of the experienced. They would like to kill an experienced townie obviously. Leelou, they won't kill you or Ishy as you were either part of them and besides, you both weren't very active,so (even if you are townie), you could wait. Despo - why killing him, since some people have doubts that he is scum, because of the derailed Dap train and town could lynch him during the day.

 

Almost all the players in this game is pretty experienced, except for you, BFG and Err. The latest "trend" on DM for N1 kills is a quiet person, to have a kill with very little connection. To me, the choice of killing Nolder was a very unexpected one.

 

 

 

 

 

To conclude: a lot of double-standards, tunneling, over-defensiveness. Trademarks of newbie mafia.
 

[michellem]

 

I never saw you asking.

 

Blue: The rule for nebiew which you posted (I think it was Peace & Darthe. )

 

I cannot know what Ishy is at this stage but considering I let it all out, I don't know what you need more - we have 3 town dead, don't do it to another one.

 

I don't know what Ishy is 100% but the parallel is therere - Ishy, leenlo voting townies that got lynched.

 

A lot of us voted townies that got lynched, a full 7 of us in fact. I voted Len too. Can't see you trying to paint me scummy over it.

 

 

Also (forgot this): Are you trying to guilt-trip me? I don't know that you are town. You are certainly not acting like it. Also, if you are town, though luck, townies get lynched all the time. Statistically, probably more than mafia, since there is more townies than mafia.

[BFG]

Apologies for the formatting

 

Mish

 

Generally quiet Day 1, null in and of itself for Mish, but there are a few things that stand out as strange, a few places where she seems to be buddying Des, a few places where she seems defensive/over reactive, interesting  apparent contradiction around Goldens 'slip' and her subsequent reads...

 

unvote vote Mish

 

 

 

There are a few places where she seems to be buddying Des, either directly or indirectly.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3090986

 

 

Nol, I can't get a proper read on him yet, sometimes he seems very townie, and then he does some things that I feel are questionable (his first vote on BGF, his quick vote on Dap after Dap's silly posts to Ishy, his jump on Des after Des' unvote). My gut says mafia.

 

 

Since when have early votes been considered questionable?  It’s also similar to the behaviour that gets a town vibe from Des.  But I don't know Nolders meta, so maybe this is strange from him(?), but to contrast:

 

 

Des: Plays a very townie game to me. He's similar to how I've seen him as town recently. Plus he wants a long D1, with lots of discussion and competing trains, wich is a pro-town move, but not forced so as it seems he's looking for town cred. I do not agree with his train in the slightest.

 

 

And she says similar about Des in Lenlos read.

 

More buddying here

 

 

Only if the mafia shows themselves as easily here as they did here, and you find one D2... The good thing is we hopefully only have one loverpair here, so that makes the odds better for us than in that game

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3091705

 

And also some places where she seems defensive

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3090890

 

 

 

I'm posting aren't I? Please do define what your standard of active is, so that I can make sure to follow it. Mine is that people are posting and not just fluff, and I'm trying my best to do that now to make up for not having time for this game (or any game) tuesday evening and all of yesterday

 

 

and over reactive

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092417

 

 

Blue: I have been payting attention to BFG and Dora, and said so.
Green: No, I said last Day that I found you suspcious, and that I would vote you come day. But I choose to not place a vote when I saw how fast you were getting votes and instead putting on some pressure. Aren't you glad I did? If I'd put on a vote on you instead of just pressuring you with questions, you'd probably been lynched by now.

 

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092572

 

 

BFG; I did pick up on Err using similar wording, but I forgot it when I was gonna write my post, cause like I said I lost my notes halfway >.< I use a firefox-plug in called Quicknotes for my mafia notes, it's in the browser itself, and it saves everything until I choose to delete it. But FF decided to update while I was in the middle of my reread and all my notes (and this also includes notes on mafia games I'm planning, so I'm kinda pissed about it) was suddenly gone. But yes, I was gonna point out that connection between Dora and Err

 

 

This ^ whole post seems a tad overexplained

 

 

There’s also this.

Her biggest statement Day 1 (up until her reads) were that she found this ‘slip’ from Golden to be a huge mafia tell (and it made him her strongest read)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3089557 and reiterated here http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3092019

 

 

Golden said

 

 

Des said

…

I'm vanilla, and Andrea, which is also my least favorite walking dead character so at least she'll die first. My top reads for scum are Lenlo, BFG, GoldenEye's, and Leelou.

 

 

Your top reads are 1/3 of the town? Total sour grapes post, you're annoyed your big move failed. How did I change from a Perrin nickname to James Bond?

 

 

Yet despite considering this a major slip her reads on us are:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3090986

 

 

Lenlo, starts off wanting the game to chill down, and continues to mostly spam and joke through the rest of the game. He doesn't place a vote until today, the day of deadline, with an vote on Des, giving us 3 equal trains if my math is correct. His reasons for voting Des is BS, as what he critized Des for is exactly the way Des was in the Weasly-game, where he was town. Len wasn't in that game though, but still.

  

BFG, also high on my potentional scum-list. First off her very quick jumping on Len accusing him of having extra information when he said it was people you had to look out for (look at the thread title, d'uh. ) She keeps prodding him. Joined in the off-topic talk, null tell in itself, but interesting since she's the only one Dora targeted accusing of diversion. Nitpicks on Dap's grammar for his "and if I know I'm not mafia" (wich I too would say is a pretty common way of phrasing things in an discussion), and prods at Des for asnwering "for" Dap. And then her quickly following Nol onto Des.

 

Leelou, like I mentioned a bit more spammy than I'm used to seeing her, it's a null read so far but I'm keeping an eye on her. Her "random" vote on Pral felt off. Gets a bit snippy at Dap when he tries to link her with Peace.

 

 

So she sounds wary of Lenlo, watching Leelou and I’m high on her potential mafia list, at this point, if she really believes that Golden slipped, we're town, if she doesn't believe it's a slip why push it so hard?  Seems a contradiction.  She also votes Lenlo at the end of her reads (so presumably not that big a slip from golden?).

 

 

[michellem]

Gold was a first time player, and thus gets the D1 pass, wich I explained in the post you are quoting from with my reads. I even said he was my top mafia read atm.

 

I always buddy Des. He'll usually try and use it against me if he's mafia.

 

I already said that my Leelou-read was to be disregarded, I mixed up her with another game.

 

Overexplaining? I was agreeing with you, and explaining why I forgot to include it in my original post, wich you pointed out.

 

And heck yeah I got defensive when Nolder starting dissing my activity level.

 

Also, it wasn't early votes that was the problem, it was the reason for the votes. Savvy?