[Basic] Weasley vs Malfoy at the Ministry - Game over - Weasleys win

[michellem]

  On 11/19/2013 at 7:43 PM, _CLOUD said:

 

  On 11/19/2013 at 7:00 PM, dicetosser1 said:

Cloud are you,   of ALL people!,    really surprised I would be ready to instalynch Lovers?  

 

No, I'm not surprised at all that you would have been ready to insta lynch the Lovers. I felt the same suspicion that one of those two must be mafia, partly because Csarmi was playing scummy and I was suspicious of AVM's claim, but also because Lovers are also likely to consist of a mafia and town pair, otherwise they could have as well been just Masons. The thing that stood out to me however was that you only commented on this thing, and didn't say anything else about what had happened during Day 1 and who you think stands where in the game so far.

 

 

Nitpicking: Masons don't work like lovers; if one mason dies, the other survives. For them both to be guaranteed town, and have the same mechanics as Lovers, they would have to be Siblings. Siblings are to Lovers what Masons are to Neighbours.

 

  On 11/20/2013 at 12:57 AM, Verbal32 said:

I don't know why my laptop at home is making fonts small when I quote.  Somebody get me an admin!!!

 

*giggles*

 

 

 

Now, Des' reveal. I'm still leaning town on Des, but I also find it hard to trust his judgement when it comes to Lovers; been there, done that, was town. But his points tying Peace and Verb together are good ones. In any case, I'm more willing to take down Verb today, than loose another potential town/town lover pairing. As Tina said, that would be game over (9 alive, 3 mafia,, 6 town, loose 2 townies to a lynch, one to a NK, we're 3 and 3 and it's a wrap) and I'm not willing to risk that.

 

I also know Peace's claim is BS, I'm the real Artur Weasly, it's my true character and what I have to reveal as. I can also tell you that Leelou is indeed the real Molly Weasley, because I'm the cop and I checked her last night (I get people's true character when I view people). Now, leave off the chastising about my reveal until morning people, I'll tell you why when we get there.

 

 

So unvote vote Verbal

[hazelkrs1]

  On 11/20/2013 at 11:10 AM, TinaHel said:

I went back and looked at Des´s and Peace´s reactions after Csarmi´s claim. Des´s reaction makes sense if he is a lover. We never got any reaction from Peace since he posted later when a lot of other stuff had happened. I also don´t see why Des would fake claim lovers at this point. I´m not sure it was very wise though. If he and Peace are both town mafia can get 2 kills tonight. If we lynch wrong today that means game over. But we also have a doc of course and we don´t know if the lovers are both town. I don´t see any good town - mafia combo (maybe Lucius and Ginny since he gave her the diary) but the other lovers pair didn´t make sense either. 

 

So I will consider Des town for now. So, do I like his case on Verbal? I don´t know what to say about Peace maybe telling Verbal to stop buddying Des. I know nothing about it, have only Des own word to go on so I will not base any conclutions on that. But the rest is interesting and I´m suspicious of Verbal. It was interesting that Leelou barely commented on Des´s posts but voted Dice right away after Des´s case. 

 

About Peace - he has again just parked his vote on GF. I really wish GF would speak up and actually play the game but I don´t agree with most of you. The way he tried to figure out the game mechanics makes him look town in my eyes, 

 

Unvote. Vote Verbal

 

I guess I do have to admit that a fair chunk of my reasoning is something that is only my perspective, no one else can see the QT. As far as the Verbal/Peace link I mean. Regardless of whether I was Lovers with Peace or not tho, I would still find Verbal scummy.

 

And honestly, I got a town read now on you and GF, partially because a lot of others said they would be fine voting you two, some of whom I find quite questionable. Willing to buy that you were just busy and distracted day 1 and that's it. And GF is always weird, and often a common lynch target. Feel like scum think they could push his lynch easily. In fact, his earlier post where he pretty much said that he didn't feel like defending himself shows me he cares less about saving his own skin, and more about trying to maybe figure out the mechanics to the game or something.

 

  On 11/20/2013 at 11:36 AM, Leelou said:

 

  On 11/20/2013 at 11:02 AM, Despothera said:

 

  On 11/20/2013 at 10:35 AM, Leelou said:

It's really close to deadline, Dice's play has been off all game. I'd rather hear from Peace before just following Des on a lynch. If we had more time I'd be more willing to look into that avenue, but right now it feels almost like a ploy to get a quick lynch. I'm still on the fence about Verbal myself, but that's because he hasn't posted enough. Through just game play though, I feel more comfortable this close to deadline voting Dice. 

 

unvote, vote Dice

 

Horrible post. I don't remember you once fos'ing Dice before this (or rather the post immediately preceding where you say he laid the foundation for my lynch tomorrow). And why bring up that stuff about Verbal being a quick lynch when you vote an outlier? At this point it would be a quick lynch on anyone.

 

 

So who can't read now? 

 

 

  On 11/19/2013 at 8:21 PM, Leelou said:

10. Dice

 

Dice really hasn’t posted much this game, mostly quiet D1 and defensive of his play. He voted when he was pressured into voting. D2 states he would have voted the lovers, not really giving any reads outside what the hot topics are in the game.

 

 

People really need to step it up this game and start participating. Right now, I could vote for Tina, GF, Dice or Des. My vote right now is going to stay on GF. 

 

 

 

Oh come one. Seriously? That was when you were getting out your reads on everybody. Most of which, were neutral btw. As is this one. You summarize his play and make it seem not great, but don't definitively state you think he might be scum.

 

I'm talking about a specific instance, of you saying fos'ing Dice in any way, other than those three posts (1. your reads list on all players 2. When you criticize Dice's recent vote and then 3. Vote him immediately after, hours before the deadline when you warn of a quick lynch on Verbal.

 

  On 11/20/2013 at 11:41 AM, Leelou said:

You are very wrong on reading me. I'm not sure if it's personal or you just think I'm scummy. I've given a list of thoughts on everyone left alive and am playing when I can. I don't like being accused of lying about RL because I don't do that. Even when scum, if I'm busy and don't post it means I'm busy and can't post. 

 

 

I never said you lied about RL. Reading  is fun-damental. You could be hiding within the truth, as in be actually busy, but also choose to lay low for a bit and not post quite as much.

 

You telling me you've never decided to lay a bit low for a bit as scum, to stay out of the spotlight for a while? Regardless of whether you say you're busy in irl.

 

Just feel like you're trying to make this out to be a personal attack or something when it's not. I suspect you of being mafia, period. 

 

  On 11/20/2013 at 11:51 AM, Leelou said:

I never said anywhere in my post that I was worried about cop/doc hunting. I was talking about mafia being able to lie about claiming if they had a real claim or a fake claim. Stop tying me to Verbal so tightly. 

 

That's how it would be in every game. Mafia can lie about their claim. Doesn't change the fact that it's always good to get something concrete, that you can possibly hold a scum to later on. You already said that you could claim your real character, and later revealed it to be Molly. Now, if anyone else flips as Molly, we'd know you to be a LLL.

 

If you're not worried about roles, then there's even less grounds for your defense here. I asked for a character claim, not a role claim.

 

  On 11/20/2013 at 11:54 AM, Leelou said:

 

  On 11/20/2013 at 10:54 AM, Despothera said:

I'm glad you brought up the fact that "the real Fred" could potentially be polyjuiced and unable to CC. Ignoring that possibility would have seemed more strange. But since you DID bring it up, tell me exactly how you would do so if that's what your situation was: that you were the real Fred, but couldn't say so? How would you prove Cloud was lying without hinting at your character?

 

I'd be building a case on him and actually vote him and push for his lynch. Even if it got me lynched/killed it would prove he was lying about it being his real claim. 

 

 

And how could you know that wasn't what I was doing right now, by questioning Cloud? (I'm not btw, just an example)

 

All I'm saying is, it seemed strange that Cloud claimed to have a fake claim as well as a real claim, which didn't jive with how I saw the whole polyjuice claim working. I still thought it unlikely the whole time that Cloud was mafia, but something being unlikely doesn't make it impossible. I like doing my due diligence. Either way, I'm dropping it for now. I'll accept Cloud as Fred till something else is proven.

[michellem]

Ninja'd you, Des.

 

 

Hey Leelers, you're up very late?

 

We need one more vote for lynch now.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Wow, ninja'd like crazy there. Well then, good to know about Leelou. And yes, I did have some bad judgement that game (the bastard xmen one)

 

In fact, I told Peace about that in the QT when he originally mentioned he was going to out us.

[hazelkrs1]

  On 11/20/2013 at 1:40 PM, Misheru Sedai said:

Ninja'd you, Des.

 

 

Hey Leelers, you're up very late?

 

We need one more vote for lynch now.

 

Hehe ninja'd again

[hazelkrs1]

I also wanted to mention something else, btw, but I'll wait until after the hammer, or possibly till Peace finally shows back up in thread.

[_CLOUD]

Ok I just got home and I still have to read up a bit. I noticed that Despo claimed to be Lovers with Peace. I doubt that town will have two town-town Lover pairs because it would seem inbalanced, but I of course don't know the rest of the setup so I will just roll with it for now and see what comes up. It looks like Verbal will be the one to get lynched?

[hazelkrs1]

Yes, Verb is the one to lynch. Deadline is coming soon, within an hour or so I think.

[michellem]

  On 11/20/2013 at 1:41 PM, Despothera said:

 

Wow, ninja'd like crazy there. Well then, good to know about Leelou. And yes, I did have some bad judgement that game (the bastard xmen one)

 

In fact, I told Peace about that in the QT when he originally mentioned he was going to out us.

 

Yep that wasn't exactly your brightest mafia moment But it happens to us all.

 

 

 

 

Verb is at L-1 and we have around and hour, hour and a half to deadline, so please be quick reading up Cloud :)

[hazelkrs1]

2 hours 10 mins. I trust in Cloud

 

[Graendals favourite]

I think I'll go with the flow and hammer, vote verbal

[Niniel]

Let's assume that Mish is the cop. Then she is town and Leelou is town. I'm town and I believe Cloud is Fred. I also have a town read on Des and GF. That leaves Verb, Dice and Peace. Can it really be that simple?

[hazelkrs1]

Updated reads list:

 

1. Tina - town, she defended herself rather well, got out reads when facing possible lynch, and people I suspect have said they'd be fine with voting her

2. Mish - town Cop until CC'ed pretty much

3. Verbal - Scum

5. Leelou - town, according to Mish's N1 view

6. Desp - town

7. Cloud - town, accepting that he just flubbed up for a sec or something when he said he had a fake claim

10. Dice - somewhat reluctant town view, but wouldn't disclude him as scum. Needs to step it up just a tad if town.

11. Graendal - townish to neutral. Townish because of many people being fine with lynching him, some of whom I find suspect.

12. Peace - Scum.

 

Hmm. That's only 2 scum, when there's more than likely 3. Would prob be a tossup between Dice and GF for the last scum, assuming Leelou isn't a GF, or that Mish is lying or something.

[_CLOUD]

Ok I still have like one more page to read but I know enough already and I stand behind Despo's "buddying case" on Verbal

 

 

Unvote, Vote Verbal

[hazelkrs1]

Ninja'd.

 

  On 11/20/2013 at 2:05 PM, TinaHel said:

Let's assume that Mish is the cop. Then she is town and Leelou is town. I'm town and I believe Cloud is Fred. I also have a town read on Des and GF. That leaves Verb, Dice and Peace. Can it really be that simple?

You might be right.

[Thorum]

  On 11/5/2013 at 1:56 PM, Thorum said:

Day 2 - Ended at post #636

Verbal (5) - Desp, Dice, Tina, Mish, GF

Dice (2) - Cloud, Leelou

GF (1) - Peace

Not voting (2) - Verbal

 

[Thorum]

Fretting around, being inactive till a few hours before deadline... Even a cloudy vote after hammer. Has been a nice day :)

 

You just lynched Draco Malfoy, btw.

[Thorum]

Night deadline is at http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131121T21&p0=48&msg=End+of+night+2.

 

I'll be online at 4am tomorrow (aka, in 12 hours). if I haven't received all night action by then, night will end at the deadline.

[hazelkrs1]

EFF YEAH!

 

/vindicated

[_CLOUD]

Awesome!

[michellem]

Shouldn't be neccessary to say this, but if there's a Doc around here, I'd appreciate a protect this night.

[michellem]

Btw, Des... I saw Catching Fire last night IT'S AWESOME.

[hazelkrs1]

  On 11/20/2013 at 2:54 PM, Misheru Sedai said:

Btw, Des... I saw Catching Fire last night IT'S AWESOME.

 

 

Dayum! Can't wait to see it

[michellem]

It was totally awesome to first see The Hunger Games at the cinema, half hour break and then Catching Fire I don't have words to describe how amazing it was!

[peacesells]

Just woke up all.  To address Despo somewhat.  I read his case on Verbal/me as I was lying in bed on my phone.  I posted to the QT my immediate reaction to post.  Then went to sleep.

 

All I will say is everyone here knows when I'm scum I fight fight fight when posts like that are made.

 

The fact that Verbal is scum has no bearing on my alignment.

 

And btw I never claimed a character.  My claim is Molly.  Not my true character.

 

Also, one more bit of info that Despo failed to mention.  If the DOC protects one of us...we both get protected.  Why would scum need to be DOC protected?????  Forgot about that didn't you Despo?  Maybe you could have looked for my reaction in the QT before spewing on the main thread.  Now the scum team gets a 2 for 1.