[Basic] Weasley vs Malfoy at the Ministry - Game over - Weasleys win

dicetosser1 · November 19, 2013

des i had been responding to people and thats what he called as the reason he voted me. I responded in what i thought was a fun way.

hazelkrs1 · November 19, 2013

You don't always have to respond just to defend yourself Dice. What are your thoughts on other players in the game?

Leelou · November 19, 2013

Okay, finished my reread. I just want to say real quick, it's really tough for me to accept Cloud as conf town atm, cause on my reread I found several pings from him. Won't go through them all, cause it might be wasted effort anyways, but a lot of parroting (he mainly parrots Leelou a lot), and pushing the CS lynch after the Lover's claim (whether it was him or AVM). I WILL post one thing I found which seemed odd however.

@Cloud, you lost me there.

1) What theory are you talking about?

2) Where did I say I knew AVM was town? I said AVM was my lover. No more, no less.

For the record, I believe that lynching any of us three is foolish.

Dude, you had your vote on me until the last few pages so don't start buddying up to me now.

I was talking about Tina's theory which said that there could be multiple players who had the same fake claim. I know that I'm the real Fred, and I also have him as my fake claim. AVM could be another town character, but he has to fake claim as Fred but I find the odds against him so I'm still all in for lynching him. He has also been quiet during the last page or so and I don't take that as a good sign.

Why would Cloud have Fred as a "fake" claim as well? If we have polyjuiced characters, we're not allowed to reveal our actual characters per the rules. So why would Cloud have Fred as a fake claim if he's not polyjuiced?

I'll say now I am polyjuiced, so cannot reveal my actual character, but for anyone who doesn't have a polyjuiced character: If you're not polyjuiced, do you also have a fake claim?

Still seems kinda tough to believe Cloud would have "CC'ed" the Fred claim as mafia, especially without a later CC from a "real" Fred. However what CS said could be true, that if Cloud is mafia then the best time for him to claim would be right then, as a preemptive move. I dunno. Just bothered me when I saw it

I can only claim or hint at my real character, but why have 2 fake claims for Fred? Plus, no one else has actively come forward as Fred.

It's technically possible to have two Fred fake claims, nothing has told us that that is impossible.

So if you can claim your "real" character, I take that to mean you're not polyjuiced? If not, does Cloud's post make sense? Do you have a fake claim as well, even tho you're not polyjuiced?

I don't suppose you'd like to share your character with us, would you?

I'll respond to your post later about the vote on me, I'm getting ready for work now. But as for this, no. I was just told I can only claim/hint to my real character.

Leelou · November 19, 2013

And no, no need to share my character yet.

Leelou · November 19, 2013

Grah, I hit post a second time before I meant to. Stupid phone. I'd rather see Cloud's answer to the polyjuice potion thing than answer for him and I'll give a response after that.

michellem · November 19, 2013

I think it's poor wording from Cloud, nothing more.

Personally I feel like Leelou is playing a town game right now, she reminds me very of her play in the Halloween-mafia.

_CLOUD · November 19, 2013

Mish, yea it was the things figured out by Tina that got the most suspicion out of me. To me, otherwise too, Tina sounded like she had the advantage of a QT while I also thought her wrong on her conclusions, something I thought the mafia might err on. Clearly the mafia all have names to claim as their own instead of their own, but that doesn't mean townies have. Though, that is a bit mixed up, apparently, considering AVM.

I didn't think Tina sounding at all like she had access to a QT, and her sometimes uninformed arguments are one of the reasons why I have a town read on her. She seems like she was just speaking her mind during Day 1, and I think that mafia would think more what to say and double check all the facts that are out there. I read her play as genuine.

Yeh, I don´t think the claim idea will work. I didn´t understand that you could lie about if your claim was your real character or not. Unless someone comes up with a way to get round that I will have to drop it. I look forward to read about why you think those people are town.

Yeah, you were basically proposing the same idea as Csarmi, but you adding that we should trust everyone who claims that they can only fakeclaim their true character, and then test if they are speaking the truth or not by looking at the Coroner reports of the rest of the players would make us lose the game. The mafia will all just claim that they are only able to claim their true character, and then we will lose because of the numbers.

I have a town read on Peace because I think he has posted good arguments for why he thinks something, and I agree with his reads so far.

Leelou has been playing a townie game and she has done some good scumhunting, and her opinion regarding Csarmi’s play has been close to mine.

I’m slightly leaning town on Mish after re-reading her case. I find it for the most part a solid case, even though I don’t agree with her scum reads on Peace and Tina. I’m just very wary of her after the Halloween game where she ended up being mafia.

I have no idea what to think about GF. I find him difficult to read because of the way he expresses himself, and I think that he should start to give his reads about everyone instead of only talking about game mechanics.

Dice said some odd things during Day 1 about him not wanting to force PR’s to claim, and not lynch the wrong people during Day 1 so that’s why he’s playing more careful than usual. It just sounded to me like a very townie, and almost naïve thing to say. When Day 2 starts he said that he would have voted for Csarmi just because he was Lovers with AVM, and then he proceeded to mostly respond in defense of himself and he isn’t trying to scumhunt. He has been delaying with giving his opinion about other people, like he is afraid to say something that might put him in the spotlight. He is going with the flow by saying that Mish is town, and that he is wary of Tina who then had the most votes on her, and that he is keeping an eye on GF.

Why would Cloud have Fred as a "fake" claim as well? If we have polyjuiced characters, we're not allowed to reveal our actual characters per the rules. So why would Cloud have Fred as a fake claim if he's not polyjuiced?

I'll say now I am polyjuiced, so cannot reveal my actual character, but for anyone who doesn't have a polyjuiced character: If you're not polyjuiced, do you also have a fake claim?

didn’t know how else to explain it. It’s a unique game mechanic, and I of course can’t quote my role PM. You are right in that I don’t really have a "fakeclaim", and that I can only claim as my true character, which is Fred.

Leelou · November 19, 2013

Okay, I finally cleared up my to-do list. After lunch I'm ISOing the hell out of this game. And responding to Des's crap vote on me.

dicetosser1 · November 19, 2013

Despo see post 563 for my opinions so far http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/85865-basic-weasley-vs-malfoy-at-the-ministry-day-2/page-29?do=findComment&comment=3087045

dicetosser1 · November 19, 2013

Cloud are you, of ALL people!, really surprised I would be ready to instalynch Lovers?

Niniel · November 19, 2013

I need to go to bed early but I will be back before deadline. I look forward to reading Leelou´s and Verbal´s posts.

_CLOUD · November 19, 2013

Cloud are you, of ALL people!, really surprised I would be ready to instalynch Lovers?

No, I'm not surprised at all that you would have been ready to insta lynch the Lovers. I felt the same suspicion that one of those two must be mafia, partly because Csarmi was playing scummy and I was suspicious of AVM's claim, but also because Lovers are also likely to consist of a mafia and town pair, otherwise they could have as well been just Masons. The thing that stood out to me however was that you only commented on this thing, and didn't say anything else about what had happened during Day 1 and who you think stands where in the game so far.

Leelou · November 19, 2013

1. Tina

Tina’s play was odd Day 1, seemed very aloof and not really committing to anything. Day 2 she seems to have taken up the mantle of a dead town player. I am still very weary of her.

2. Mish

In the middle of everything going on, so far I’m finding her townish.

3. Verbal

Quiet…I want to wait to see his analysis before I jump on him.

6. Des

Des, Des, Des…where to start…if you are town omg you are all over the place and trying to discredit people. Right now, it’s pretty much a given Cloud is Fred since no one else has countered that Fred is their real claim. I know I would have by now or I would have found some sort of way to prove he’s not who he says he is if “Fred” couldn’t claim their real character. I really find it highly doubtful there are 2 fake claims of Fred out there though with so many Weasleys available.

I've decided I will change my vote after all.

Unvote, Vote Leelou.

I see more than enough evidence implicating her as scum. She had that strange post in response to Tina's (T: I have this game figured out L: GF, Des, CS scum team?). I don't like how she pressured CS yesterday, by continuously just saying he was acting scummy without really explaining why much (one of Ithi's favorite scumtells, ie saying someone is scummy enough in the hopes that others will start to think so). She was also very active day 1 in pursuing CS's lynch, yet today she has offered very little in the form of scumhunting (says she is busy, but you know how that goes...). Her play has also seemed too singular this game, she doesn't spend any time commenting on others, instead chooses to keep focus on the one she is trying to get lynched. Looks like deliberate scum play. I also think BFG's NK could have been because of Leelou; BFG was commenting on some of Leelou's posts, to which Leelou responded that BFG was "getting things all mixed up" (eh, how? She never explained how), and Leelou is like Verbal in that she will be quick to NK someone to silence them if they're on her trail.

Other than Leelou, I'm wary of Dice for his defensive whyme fryme posts, and cause his vote on GF yesterday seemed somewhat opportunistic. Still wary of Tina, but her day 1 play could have just been cause she was busy, at the very least she has some reads out now. I think right now our best bet for scum is Leelou. And by that I mean she's obviously scum.

Okay, I’ll go point by point on this for ya.

1. That response was to try to judge a reaction from Tina that she did not give until she was questioned by Mish and tossed it off as a joke. Still not liking that there was no interaction during the time of that post from Tina.

2. I didn’t like how boorish salami was getting with telling us exactly how to play and he was coming off scummy because his plan wouldn’t work and it seemed like a ploy for mafia to get out in the open all the townies that could claim their real character. There is a thing as too much information too quickly in a game like this. Scum doesn’t know who can real claim and who has to fake claim. Easy for them to lie, especially since it seems like death is the only way to test a claim.

3. As to me being busy, suck it, I am. My internet at home sucks – Verbal can attest to this – and my family is very demanding right now. I was busy yesterday catching up on 3 months of filing at work, so yeah I was busy.

4. I don’t necessarily nk who is on to me as scum. People are not very successful at reading me. Case in point here with you. You know fully how BFG was mixing things up since you corrected her on who I was voting for. - http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/85865-basic-weasley-vs-malfoy-at-the-ministry-day-2/?p=3081472'>Link to your post here

I can only claim or hint at my real character, but why have 2 fake claims for Fred? Plus, no one else has actively come forward as Fred.

It's technically possible to have two Fred fake claims, nothing has told us that that is impossible.

So if you can claim your "real" character, I take that to mean you're not polyjuiced? If not, does Cloud's post make sense? Do you have a fake claim as well, even tho you're not polyjuiced?

I don't suppose you'd like to share your character with us, would you?

I cut out some of the long quote block since I really only want to comment on the bold – fishing much?

7. Cloud

“Real” claims Fred, I’ve seen no counter than AVM’s polyjuiced potion claim. I think by now if there was another real Fred they would have stepped forward.

10. Dice

Dice really hasn’t posted much this game, mostly quiet D1 and defensive of his play. He voted when he was pressured into voting. D2 states he would have voted the lovers, not really giving any reads outside what the hot topics are in the game.

11. Graendal

Day 1 pops in, talks about game mechanics and then doesn’t comment on the game until he thinks Cloud is town and wonders about Tina, votes salami and brings him to L-1. Claims to be able to claim his real character, notices the mechanic will only help after death. He is still not actually commenting much on the other players, and not taking any stances. I’m happy with a vote here for now.

12. Peace

D1 stays on GF for a long time. Thinks salami is town and then he finds Salami to be acting scummy. Day 2 starts right back up with GF. Thinks Mish is town and thinks Tina is too. Hasn't commented on anything else game wise.

People really need to step it up this game and start participating. Right now, I could vote for Tina, GF, Dice or Des. My vote right now is going to stay on GF.

Leelou · November 19, 2013

:dry: the link didn't work to Des's post - http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/85865-basic-weasley-vs-malfoy-at-the-ministry-day-2/?p=3081472

Leelou · November 20, 2013

*looks around*

Anyone?

Verbal32 · November 20, 2013

Btw Verbal, as someone who knows Leelou well, what do you think of her play this game?

Non-commital before this past day, but starting to get engaged now. I'd lean town, as I'm feeling the same way. I was super busy this past weekend and so far at work this week - been to crazy to get here and post. Now it is calming down, I'm more engaged myself. Slight town.

Verbal32 · November 20, 2013

So I read up on my top 2: GF & Tina

I read up on Tina mostly because she's been really active and making comments - I wanted to see if I found something fishy. Other than the insistence on us claiming, I'm not seeing anything particularly suspicious. I didn't notice any contradictions, and that's a huge thing for scumhunting. I'm on the fence with her, because the claim idea makes me get nervous she's trying to cop/doc hunt. I don't like that. Points for her noting how I was treating the game, though. Good observation, and it was spot on.

As for GF....damn. The guy is impossible to get a handle on because half the time I'm not sure he realizes we're playing mafia (lol), and the other half of the time he's actually posting like I do in the beginning----hitting on tangental topics and not going full bore into the game. For me, it is simply how I get my feet wet. It seems to be a bit of his meta as well from the handful of games I've played with him. But while I'm trying to now comment on people I had previously wanted to look into, I don't really see him taking any initiative to scumhunt. Just responses and randomness.

At this point, my top 2 are still GF and Tina, but I'd probably be more willing to vote TIna for the potential she's cop/doc hunting. I need to look into others. Prob Leelou among them, as my response above was off recent memory of the game - I'll need to look deeper.

Verbal32 · November 20, 2013

3. Verbal

Quiet…I want to wait to see his analysis before I jump on him.

Giggity.

Verbal32 · November 20, 2013

I don't know why my laptop at home is making fonts small when I quote. Somebody get me an admin!!!

Leelou · November 20, 2013

3. Verbal

Quiet…I want to wait to see his analysis before I jump on him.

Giggity.

:wink:

hazelkrs1 · November 20, 2013

I got a doozy for yall.

Full claim: I am Molly Weasley, Town Lovers with Peace, whose character on the QT is Arthur Weasley. I am polyjuiced so cannot reveal my true character.

There's a number of reasons I am claiming now, so let me get to them. Upon first entering the QT with Peace, I saw that he planned on "outing" me, since he initially assumed me to be scum, since most Lover pairs lately have been 1 town/1 scum. This gave me an initial town read on him, even tho he ended up not going through with that plan, because it seemed he was willing to sacrifice himself to nab someone he thought could be scum. However, I knew then that he wasn't cleared by any means since he could have said he was going to out us as a move to try and look more townie.

So I decided to test him. I was concerned about Verbal buddying me in some earlier posts (I'll fetch them in a sec), and I know one of Verbal's scumtells is that he likes to find a townie to buddy up to (I've seen this firsthand when I've been scum with him, as well as other games when I fingered him (giggity) as scum). I mentioned this to Peace, who also seemed somewhat concerned about Verbal, and told him not to mention it on thread since I knew Verbal was the kind who will NK to silence someone instead of just rolehunt. Secretly, my real intent was to find out if Peace was a mole or not. Lo and behold, Verbal suddenly stopped buddying me. I recently even gave him an opening, tried buddying him a bit to see if he would reciprocate, and he didn't. This makes me think Peace may have warned him to stop buddying me.

Additionally, CS and AVM flipping as town Lovers makes me suspect of my partner as well. Seems less likely to me that Thorum would have multiple town/town Lover pairs in the game, as that would disadvantage town somewhat (give mafia team multiple chances for 2 for 1 kills), especially if he still wanted to call it basic (to balance multiple town Lover pairs he'd have to either gimp the mafia team or give town more power roles).

Lastly, Peace's last comment in the QT seemed strange for him. He mentioned that my last analysis post seemed very disjointed, and jokingly asked if I was sick while writing it. I don't have any ego about the post itself, what stood out more to me is Peace has easily seen me write FAR more disjointed posts before and not made that comment, and the fact that he joked about me being sick tells me he might have been trying to make me doubt my reads while still buddying me somewhat. This is really a small point, but still.

So, to further test this, I say we lynch Verbal. His last few posts don't make me feel any better about him either, his top two "reads" are both players that have already been in the limelight a lot and he makes no original points about them, just parrots what others have said. Seems lazy and opportunistic to me. And if he flips mafia, we'll have some great leads on some other players (Peace, obviously, and mayhap Leelou as well since Verbal said he has a town read on her).

Unvote, Vote Verbal.

hazelkrs1 · November 20, 2013

Here are the examples of Verbal buddying me earlier in the thread. Some are subtle, some stand out much more.

Just curious :)

What's the ETA on Despo's first WOT?

Right about the time you decide to stop posting for more than 5 minutes in a row?

Soft defends me

Holiday here, so not working (where I post the most).

Wondering what the 'case' is for the initial GF votes? And this is Des' town play for sure.

Wondering what the 'case' is for the initial GF votes¹? And this is Des' town play for sure.²
(1)I think he only made one post since voting was allowed, asking about the setup. Other than not adding anything to the game, I didn't see a case.

(2)Really? Everybody keeps saying this, apparently (too many people to my liking, actually). Seemed scummish Des to me.

Scum Des is deliberate - town Des throws everything against the wall to see what sticks.

Hard defends me with meta with these two posts. Another reason I started out the game the way I did was to test reactions for my partner; if he was scum, they wouldn't really want me lynched day 1 either, so I might have more defending me than normal. This turned out to be true, btw, since 3-4 people all came out to defend me on meta grounds (which is a much tougher argument to refute, and can be backed out of later). The names of those that did: Verbal, Mish, Tina, Peace obviously, and there could have been one more. Not sure.

Deliberate coding fail? Don't buy that this was accidental, you ALWAYS correct your own messups, and review the last few posts and whatnot.

There's absolutely no coding fail there. There is no need for bolding or colouring a vote, so I didn't. I was posting it from phone, it was much easier to post this way.

I liked Des' questioning there, and I don't like Salami's answer. He's right, Salami, you're usually extremely consistent on correcting your mistakes right away with a double post - you do it all the time. I don't know what this says, but it strikes me as odd. FOS, but not ready to vote you for it.

Follows my reasoning on Salami. Somewhat faint here but he becomes much more brazen with the next post:

Despo, I don't know WTF is wrong with you, but ever since you joined this bloody game, you're calling me obvious scum in almost every single one of your post.

It's getting to the levels of becoming intolerable.

I don't care if you're town. I don't care if you're scum. IDGAF at this point. Find yourself someone else to play with.

I'd ask for a replacement if such was possible in this game.

This game is becoming absolutely no fun for me. I play maffia to have fun and have a nice game. This is not a nice game.

Dude......take it from the guy who has probably given Des more of a hard time than any 2 people on this site combined when it comes to his attitude in games and his aggressiveness. (Des can back me up on that one, I'm sure)...............you're being silly.

He can call you obvious scum all he wants. He's really not the only one, btw. Did you bold a vote prior to the one you didn't, and now are conveniently stating you'll remain this way for the game? Doesn't that sound a little weird to you? I think you're potential scum as well - I'm just not being as obvious as Des is.

Also, I'm pretty sure I remember you coaching folks in the past to have a thick skin for mafia. Where's yours?

This was the most blatant buddying example, and what finally prompted me to mention something to Peace. After this, Verbal stops buddying me. Check the iso on him yourself if you like.

Dude......take it from the guy who has probably given Des more of a hard time than any 2 people on this site combined when it comes to his attitude in games and his aggressiveness. (Des can back me up on that one, I'm sure)...............you're being silly.

I forgot to respond to this before. Yes, Verbal def isn't a fan of my playstyle I don't think, mebbe cause it's the antithesis to his in a way (I start off aggressive, he picks up steam later on). I do think we've come to a bit of a mutual respect in some ways however.

Btw Verbal, as someone who knows Leelou well, what do you think of her play this game?

Here's where I tried to invite buddying from Verbal, even included a little winkie face too :tongue:

I included the direct question about Leelou to force him to respond, and when he did, he cut out the top part and only responded about Leelou. Obviously I could be grasping at ghosts here, but imo this all tells me he was told by a teammate to stop buddying, and the perfect candidate for that would be my partner Peace.

I could, and might later, make an even stronger case against Verbal, as his play this game has been less than exemplatory. Others have pointed this out as well, Tina mentioned how he only commented on fringe topics day 1, and it took him quite a while to place a vote on Salami, maybe hoping someone else would do the dirty work for him. A lot of other stuff I could mention as well, but that's more than enough for now I think. A Verbal lynch is the way to go today methinks.

ALL ABOARD!

hazelkrs1 · November 20, 2013

Gotta get back to work now, will be back later after audit to respond to other stuff as well.

hazelkrs1 · November 20, 2013

Fyi, Peace has responded on the QT but hasn't on thread yet. Apparently he wants to coordinate his response with his teammates before he responds here.

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