Trick-or-Treat II Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!!!!

[Leelou]

Where did snow go? 

[Songstress]

I'll be leaving for work in about an hour, with very limited and spotty internet access until after deadline. 

 

I'm still thinking Aemon is our best bet for today, especially with NotBob off the table for now.

 

Vote Aemon

[_CLOUD]

vote tglems

 

Hate to break it to you all, but I'm vanilla town. Yes, I got confused with the Ishy/Leelou thing, but I've already gone over how that happened.

 

This post reminds me a lot of the dying WIFOM vote Lenlo pulled just before he got lynched..

 

 

You guys can't vote Not Bob until last please. I'm debating right now where I want us to vote.

 

How does everyone feel about tress? Can someone pull her posts? I won't be around until this afternoon since I'm busy with family stuff.

 

I think that Aemon and Not Bob are both mafia. I'm not buying Not Bob's explanation that he didn't think the situation regarding Ishy and Krak through enough; we talked about all the possibilties and unless he was skimming entire pages he couldn't have missed it. I think that he tried bringing up the old argument up again to see if he could get a train going. He was also FoSing Salami and TG in the same post (#1239), and he implied that I was buddying up to him after he mentioned that I had a solid voting record. He doesn't know what to think about Tress, and yet he gives her a chance to explain herself again why she was voting for Salami. He didn't ask anyone else he was suspect of a question so this stuck out to me. As for Tress, I'm starting to think that she is the last mafia member. Tress appears uncertain in her case and she leaves a lot of wiggle room. She is the only one who thinks Mish might be mafia, and then sets up a WIFOM situation by saying that Lenlo wouldn't give a firm town read on a scummate. She FoSes NotKat, Salami and me, and explains that she is still deciding if Lenlo's vote on Aemon was straight up distancing or not while she later lists him as one of her top three lynch candidates but never ends up voting him.

 

 

Unvote, Vote Aemon

 

 

I'll be leaving for work in about an hour, with very limited and spotty internet access until after deadline. 

 

I'm still thinking Aemon is our best bet for today, especially with NotBob off the table for now.

 

Vote Aemon

 

And yet you never voted for Not Bob today, and also delayed your Aemon vote until the last minute.

[Songstress]

She is the only one who thinks Mish might be mafia, and then sets up a WIFOM situation by saying that Lenlo wouldn't give a firm town read on a scummate.

I think I made it clear that I find it doubtful Mish is mafia.  Looking through Lenlo's reads list, it seemed likely to me he'd have scattered his teammates into different categories (town reads, unsure/leaning town, unsure/leaning scum, and scum).  Of the straight town reads, Mish is the only one who wasn't either dead and flipped town, or almost certainly confirmed town.  Unless Snow's LD result was a gambit to give him town cred for Lenlo's flip, which I doubt as well.

 

We're more likely looking at Len's scummates being in his lower categories.

[LilyElizabeth]

Vote Count:

 

Aemon (5) – Tglems, Salami, Mish, Tress, Cloud

Tress (1) – Leelou

TGlems (1) - Aemon

 

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline – Monday noon MST/3PM EST

 

Not voting – NB2, Snow

 

You’re really having trouble figuring out who has those knives. Some thought it was Aemon, some NB2. And some of you thought maybe it was someone else. Eventually, thanks to Leelou’s request not to lynch NB2, you settled on Aemon.

 

 

 

Aemon, Elvis, roleless town, has been lynched

 

It is now night 6. Please have night actions in by Tuesday 3 PM MST/6 PM EST. Please vote in Blue for your next house. White, Tan,  Brown, Light Blue

[Leelou]

 

 

Gut right now says Tglems, Tress and Salami with NotBob as a possibility. 

 

Light Blue

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Light Blue

[_CLOUD]

Blood and ashes  This game just might be more difficult to win than I at first thought.
 
 

 

She is the only one who thinks Mish might be mafia, and then sets up a WIFOM situation by saying that Lenlo wouldn't give a firm town read on a scummate.

I think I made it clear that I find it doubtful Mish is mafia.  Looking through Lenlo's reads list, it seemed likely to me he'd have scattered his teammates into different categories (town reads, unsure/leaning town, unsure/leaning scum, and scum).  Of the straight town reads, Mish is the only one who wasn't either dead and flipped town, or almost certainly confirmed town.  Unless Snow's LD result was a gambit to give him town cred for Lenlo's flip, which I doubt as well.
 
We're more likely looking at Len's scummates being in his lower categories.

 

 

You said in your case that Mish could be mafia, and even if you say it's unlikely you are still bringing up the possibility that she just might be mafia. And now you are saying the exact same thing about Snow and that his LD result could be a gambit, but then you turn it around again by saying that you find it doubtful and that the rest of the scum team probably lies in the lower categories. It looks like you are trying to play both sides of the argument so you don't have to take a stance which a lot of players do when they are mafia.

 

 

Snow's LD wasn't a gambit because Lily later posted that the trigger from the Day has been hit:
 

I'm sorry, guys. It was pointed out to me that I forgot something yesterday. This should have been done early yesterday.
 
Are you telling the truth?

[_CLOUD]

Light Blue

[csarmi]

Light blue

[csarmi]

Leelou, IshySnow and Cloud looks town.

 

What were Aemon's reads?

[csarmi]

Also night all.Hi

[_CLOUD]

Here I am. Apologies to all. It is true, as spoken by many, that I have not been as attentive to this game as I should have been. Here's the explanation why (not AtE): I am rolling down the highway in a truck for at least 19 hours a day Monday afternoon through Saturday afternoon. When I'm not in the truck, I am doing my online bachelors degree or family activities. I really thought I would be able to play strictly from my phone, but as the game progresses it becomes more and more difficult to go back and look for things. From memory, here are my reads right now:

 

Cloud: town. He made some comments on day one that gave me a chance to yank his chain and see what kind of reactions other people had to the yanking. Enter NotBob.

 

NotBob- leaning town but still undecided. His reactions to my chain yanking of Cloud (giggity) caught my attention. Before that his drive by votes and non sequitur posts were not helpful at all to gaining info on day 1 or day 2 and he didn't really start playing until Day 3. However, his posts since then have been insightful and helpful, hence the town lean.

 

Leelou & Snow- town. Yes, I am convinced that I am an idiot. No reason not to trust the claim now that I have the right game in mind.

 

Kat- extremely quiet. Has asked to be replaced. I have no read on her. Just another inactive that could fall either way.

 

Csarmi- pinged me as scummy Day 1 and the beginning of Day 2, but I can't recall any particular thing that was said or done to cause that ping.

 

Everyone else- I have no read on tglems, tress or the others. Most of that action has taken place in the last couple of days when I have been struggling just to keep up with the game. Turns out phone mafia is not a good long-term plan.

 

B]TAN[/b]

 

These are Aemon's most recent reads.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Vote Count:

 

Dap (1) – Kat

Moon (1) – Cloud

Hallia (1) – Lenlo

Lenlo (2) – Hallia, Yates

Cloud (6) – Des, Verb, Aemon, Leelou, Dap, Not Bob

Andrej (2) – Darthe, Mish

Salami (1) - Andrej

 

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch

Deadline – none given yet

 

Not voting – Ishy, RTE, Tress, Pral, Salami, Moon

 

Interesting.

[LilyElizabeth]

Light Blue (4) – Leelou, NB2, Cloud, Salami

[_CLOUD]

So everyone who at that point was on my train is town? You are right that is indeed interesting, but what's even more interesting is how you went back to catch the VC before Kat placed her vote on me, and apparently use it as your main reason why you now believe I'm mafia? You should have read all the interactions from that Day instead and then you would have seen that people slowly started unvoting after my defense on Despo's case, and he also later admitted that I had disproven several of his main points for why he was voting me.

[_CLOUD]

In fact, you were one of the first people who unvoted from my train and that must mean that you thought I was town so why did you now suddenly change your mind? Didn't you say that your reads now are the same as Not Bob 1?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Vote Count:

 

Moon (2) – Cloud, Salami

Hallia (1) – Lenlo

Lenlo (2) – Hallia, Yates

Cloud (7) – Des, Verb, Aemon, Leelou, Dap, Not Bob, Pral, Kat

Andrej (2) – Darthe, Mish

 

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch

Deadline – none given yet

 

Not voting – Ishy, RTE, Tress, Moon, Andrej

 

1.  I edited the above VC to reflect Kat's vote (see below) on _Cloud for the purpose of VCA.

2.  I've blued the townies including Leelou and John Snow based on the assumption that we all think they are town.

3.  I've purpled town based on the knowledge that I know Kat was/is town.

3.  Observation:  All townies on _Cloud's train.  Strange anomaly.

 

Right...yes, that does explain it too Leelou....I'd have gotten there when my brain comes back to me..

 

Also, thanks for the vote count lily...Unvote, Vote Cloud....for the reasons above, or behind since its on the other page...now to go die in a pool of my own snot? 

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

In fact, you were one of the first people who unvoted from my train and that must mean that you thought I was town so why did you now suddenly change your mind? Didn't you say that your reads now are the same as Not Bob 1?

 

_Cloud,

 

If you look at my original post starting this day when I took over Kat's role I stated it was contrarian opinion.  In other words, what reasons exists in my mind that they could be scum.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Vote Count:

 

Not Bob (7) – RTE, Aemon, Leelou, Mish, Hallia, AJ, Tress

Cloud (2) – Dap, Kat

Pral (2) – Darthe, Cloud

Andrej (1) – Pral

Lenlo (1) – Yates

Moon (1) – Salami

Hallia (1) – Lenlo

Leelou (1) – Not Bob

 

 

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Deadline – Monday 8PM MST/ 11PM EST (I think I'm GMT -8 for you Europeans)

 

Not voting – Ishy, Verb, Krak

 

 

Vote Count:

 

Not Bob (6) – RTE, Aemon, Hallia, AJ, Tress, Salami

Pral (4) – Darthe, Cloud, Mish, Ishy

Andrej (4) – Pral, Krak, Leelou, Not Bob

Cloud (2) – Dap, Kat

Lenlo (1) – Yates

Hallia (1) – Lenlo

 

 

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Deadline – Monday 8PM MST/ 11PM EST (I think I'm GMT -8 for you Europeans) That's just over 8 hours, folks. 

 

Not voting – Verb

 

1.  Same rules as the last VC applies as far as coloring. 

2.  Two sets of counts for the purpose of showing the flux.  Leelou and Mish had jumped off while Salami had jumped on. 

3.  Observation:  Three unknowns on the high water mark of my train on Day 1.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Vote Count:

 

Pral (10) – Darthe, Mish, Ishy, Dap, Cloud, AJ, Krak, Aemon, Leelou, Hallia

Not Bob (3) – RTE, Tress, Salami

Andrej (2) – Pral, Not Bob

Cloud (1) – Kat

Lenlo (1) – Yates

Hallia (1) – Lenlo

 

 

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Deadline – Monday 8PM MST/ 11PM EST (I think I'm GMT -8 for you Europeans)

 

Not voting – Verb

Praylaya, Wonder Woman, roleless town has been lynched.

 

1.  Same rules on coloring.

2.  Observation:  Three unknown on Pralaya's lynch train. 

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

So everyone who at that point was on my train is town? You are right that is indeed interesting, but what's even more interesting is how you went back to catch the VC before Kat placed her vote on me, and apparently use it as your main reason why you now believe I'm mafia? You should have read all the interactions from that Day instead and then you would have seen that people slowly started unvoting after my defense on Despo's case, and he also later admitted that I had disproven several of his main points for why he was voting me.

 

I've not accused you.  In fact, when you hit your high water mark with Kat's vote I was the first to derail it.  Again, anomalies are just that.  I was town at that point and did not like who was on the train with me and they were all town.  So chillax.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

2. To NB

Lenlo

Kat

Tress

Verbal

NotBob

Yates

 

Not even close but do admire how you had Lenlo at the top of your town reads.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

@Andrej: because I think he is scum. I think I explained Moon's posts and attitude pinged hard and I've seen nothing from Krak to change my read.

 

The problem I have with your play at this point is the lack of any suspects besides Krak.  You stay on him the entirety of this day.  No vote when we lynch AJ then return to Krak the following day.  Did you lead his train or just park your vote in an attempt to gain town credit when he eventually flips?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

Mish still seems to be protecting AJ.

I feel that by you pushing hard on the Mish is protecting Andrej angle that it's actually a roundabout way of you attempting to protect Andrej.

 

 

This is almost at the same level as the things Aemon has been saying about NotBob defending me. How is she protecting Andrej when she is voting for him?

 

 

I'm less convinced about AJ being town after Pral's flip, but I still have a townish read on him. I also doubt that he would claim VT as mafia in this situation. I'm willing to just lynch him right now for the info though because there seem to have been a lot of opportunistic votes on him during the last Day. My current scum reads right now are Aemon and Krak. I'm also suspicious about Leelou for the way she has been pushing the whole "Mish is defending AJ" thing. I think Mish has defended herself well against her accusations.

 

 

Unvote, Vote AJ

 

This puts him at L-1.

 

 

That's the type of thing scum say.  All the time.

 

 

Interesting item.

 

Verbal dies this night I believe.