Greek Mythology: Man Vs. Gods [Advanced] - GAME OVER - TOWN WINS!

[Thorum]

 

You can't, but you said at least one of those should be maffia (or have a high chance of being maffia).

 

 

My exact quote: 

 

For now, CS and Berf are very much against anyone claiming their race. i'd be very surprised if at least one of them wasn't mafia.

 

Like you'd be very surprised not to find a three in twenty dice-tosses.

[Thorum]

[You're right about them not being 100% independent, btw. Doesn't change anything to my theory, however.]

[michellem]

Well we can solve this "gods: are they evil or not" pretty easily; if Dice askes RTE if there are Gods amongst the townies as well.

 

But otherwise, I do feel like Darthe is talking sense now.

[csarmi]

For now, CS and Berf are very much against anyone claiming their race. i'd be very surprised if at least one of them wasn't mafia.

Like you'd be very surprised not to find a three in twenty dice-tosses.

 

Not similar at all.

 

Let's quantify your statement. Say that your bold statement means that you think there's at least 80% chance of "at least one of them being maffia".

You are linking the two players yourself - by that statement.

 

Which practically means (and mathematically speaking too!) that once one of them flips town, the chance of the other one being maffia jumps to 80%.

 

Conditional probabiliy is way less harder than you would think and way more intuitive.

 

What you are not taking into account is that by linking them together, well, you linked them together.

[csarmi]

Edit by way of posting:

 

 

For now, CS and Berf are very much against anyone claiming their race. i'd be very surprised if at least one of them wasn't mafia.

Like you'd be very surprised not to find a three in twenty dice-tosses.

 

Not similar at all.

 

Let's quantify your statement. Say that your bold statement means that you think there's at least 80% chance of "at least one of them being maffia".

You are linking the two players yourself - by that statement.

 

Which practically means (and mathematically speaking too!) that once one of them flips town, the chance of the other one being maffia jumps to 80%.

 

Conditional probabiliy is way less harder than you would think and way more intuitive.

 

What you are not taking into account is that by linking them together, well, you linked them together.

[Darthe]

For the record, all gods can't be mafia and Dice didn't say that. If you have a limited number of non-gods then Gods must still be a large portion oc the game. It limits the pool, it doesn't break the game.

[hazelkrs1]

Dice can ask RTE how many Town-aligned Gods there are in the game besides Hallia. If its zero, then we know both Ithi and Csarlami are LLL's and mafia. If its one, then one of them is lying. Again, this info could be extremely helpful were we to claim our race (human, god, titan).

[csarmi]

Dice can ask RTE how many Town-aligned Gods there are in the game besides Hallia. If its zero, then we know both Ithi and Csarlami are LLL's and mafia. If its one, then one of them is lying. Again, this info could be extremely helpful were we to claim our race (human, god, titan).

What?

 

*** OFF ***

Please call me CSarmi, or Salami. Thanks.

*** ON ***

[Darthe]

[hazelkrs1]

 

Dice can ask RTE how many Town-aligned Gods there are in the game besides Hallia. If its zero, then we know both Ithi and Csarlami are LLL's and mafia. If its one, then one of them is lying. Again, this info could be extremely helpful were we to claim our race (human, god, titan).

What?

You replaced MCS. MCS said he was a God. Though I suppose you could be third party, but then Dice could ask about that too.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

CSarlami reminds me of that game. But have it your way, CSarllama-ee

 

 

 

 

[csarmi]

 

 

Dice can ask RTE how many Town-aligned Gods there are in the game besides Hallia. If its zero, then we know both Ithi and Csarlami are LLL's and mafia. If its one, then one of them is lying. Again, this info could be extremely helpful were we to claim our race (human, god, titan).

What?

 

You replaced MCS. MCS said he was a God. Though I suppose you could be third party, but then Dice could ask about that too.

 

I looked up his three posts. None of them stated he were a God.

[_CLOUD]

 

Cloud we don't need to kill a Titan. See above.

 

And MAJOR FOS @ THORUM and, who would have thought DESP for asking for the TITANS to come forward. Not Town Play.

 

But Note that Basel actually did. Only after this all come out though. Curious. I am not liking at all the play from Basel, however given the above I'm still ok with a Despo lynch. 

So, basically, major FOS for me because I agree with the majority of people having posted since the game was turned upside down?

 

For now, CS and Berf are very much against anyone claiming their race. i'd be very surprised if at least one of them wasn't mafia.

 

unvote, vote berf

 

We should wait till tomorrow to declare the lover.

 

The cop shouldn't out himself day 1 or 2, unless in danger of getting lynched.

 

Mafia is, inherently, numerically disadvantaged. They'd never let one of them die to take out a (basically) vanilla townie.

 

 

The opinions regarding the Titans are actually quite evenly divided, but even if they weren't why are you trying to defend yourself by saying that you are just following the majority? A couple of us have already explained that claiming to be a Titan right now would be an extremely anti-town move. Also, you are saying that you think one of them is mafia. This is a very scummy move because it gives you the excuse to just keep pushing for the second one if the first one flips town. 

 

 

I think Basel is shaping up to be it today and I'm not worried about that to be honest because I'm suspicious of him, but it doesn't confirm anything. One bit of evidence does not make the whole theory true.

 

And to be honest I kinda forgot about the whole "Cop needs to talk" to give his info. It's been a long day.

 

 

 

You don't think Mafia would want to keep the numbers? What if the Mafia are roled? IE the block is tied to a specific member, the kill is tied to a specific member or whatever etc etc... Though I guess we can't know that until a flip.

 

Dice being dual-roled makes me think a mafia lover though might also be a powerful role. And if there IS a Godfather in play, maybe cop should just bloody holster

 

 

Hrmm.

 

I don't think we should lynch Dice. But mafia are going to NK him tonight anyway to either A) Take out two for 1, or B) Possibly protect thier interests.

 

Either way - the lover will more than likely come out tomorrow.

 

In which case they should come out now and give us more information to work with, because they are more than likely already dead, depending on Doc/Blocker roles and such.

 

Thoughts on that last?

 

Dice brought very specific info to the table that can be easily verified. He mentioned that there are 4 Titans, and if we lynch one and look if he is indeed town then we can trust the rest of the Titans that might appear. At the end we could also count how many there are etc. He also said that there is one Vig, and a third party who isn't a SK, this info can also be easily verified.

 

Why would they be dead if they are depending on a Doc? His chances of survival increase drastically with a Doc protecting him.

 

 

Just wow. Do I misinterpret what you're saying here?

So you'd keep lynching titans and if none of them was scum you would learn that Dice was telling the truth? Or how?

 

 

Wow hold on for a moment. I never said that we should keep lynching Titans just to prove that Dice isn't lying. Lynching one, and the checking at the end of the game if there are 3 left will be more than enough proof imo.

 

 

GUYS! If we lynch Dice, or his lover, to "confirm" the info, BOTH DIES! Have you all forgotten basic mafia roles?

 

Masons = two town.

Neighbours = maybe two town, maybe a mafia, who knows.

Lovers = "Lovers are players who are linked to each other. If one Lover dies, the Lover(s) linked to it die simultaneously. Lovers have been known to be of any alignment. It is not at all implausible to have Lovers in Town-scum pairs"

 

So unless we want to loose Dice right now, for a potential, not in any way guaranteed right now, especially since we don't even know who it is, mafia death, go ahead. But personally, I think Dice's information is too valuable to loose him right now.

If you are a Lover ... and you think the other Lover is a Mafia, and you tell us and we Lynch them, that generally means that you will die too.

 

That being said - you have done an amazing job of getting so much information with regards to the game set up, and your death and coroner's report will verify all of it.

 

I have this half memory of the God of the Underworld being married to a Goddess from Olympus - but I could be wrong. I am sure you know who you are and have researched who your Lover may be.

 

I would say go for it. I don't think you would offer yourself up to die unless you had good reason.

 

Bolded: That would be Persephone, wich Hallia is.

 

 

Cloud is pinging me seriously right now; just brushing off the fact that he thought it was OK that Wombat acted just like he did when we knew he was mafia (and yes, I did mean for that so say more about you Cloud, than about Wombat or Thorum. Whyyyy would you ignore that fact?!) and his attitude in this discussion going on now. 

 

 

But right now I'm tired and a bit hungover, so I'll wait for my headache to go away before I can give a more in-depth view on that.

 

I'm pretty sure that everyone is aware of how Lovers work :P Anyway, I assume you meant to say Thorum instead of Wombat? I haven't ignored Thorum's meta at all and I never forgot that he played the same way in the HP game where he was mafia. I have already explained that it's just looks like his playstyle which would remain the same whether he is mafia or town. Wombat got the chance to explain this before I could. I'm also pretty sure that even Thorum said that this is the way he always plays, thus proving me right. I don't understand why you are making such a big point of this. And what do you mean with my attitude in the discussion that is going on right now? That statement is so vague, so I would like to hear what you actualy find pinging about my play.

 

 

Oh ... why is Despo surprised to find that the Titans are Town? He has information that led him to believe that the Gods are likely to be the mafia.

 

Maybe that is literally true.

 

Maybe he is fibbing about being human.

 

Maybe he is a God. A MAFIA GOD!!!!

 

so of course he knows at least some of the Gods are the Mafia!

 

dun dun duuuuuun!

 

it's so exciting. I may even switch my vote back again.

 

This is actually a really good point. It won't make sense for Despo to be surprised about the Titans being town if he knew that the Gods are mafia..

 

 

 

 

If it isn't Desp/Thorum/Basel I'm going to eat my shoe.

 

Bon appetit ! I hope you like the taste of leather

 

 

Why is it scummy to think one of the two people protesting hard against a very towny move is likely mafia?

 

 

Anyone know why Basel 'seems confirmed town'?

 

 

Wait, so you just admitted that you are protesting against a very town move? And Basel seems to be confirmed town because he is a Titan, but I want to test this by lynching him. 

 

 

Vote Cloud

 

Advocating lynching a Titan to try and vet Dice's claim? Awful idea. If he is telling the truth, then we just lynched a townie. At least with lynching the Lover you would get a chance, in fact a good one, of catching scum. Plus you can get a false positive- Dice could be lying or something (doubtful), and yet some of the Titans be town, some antitown. We could potentially "vet" him even if he was lying.

 

We do not need a cop viewing to clear this issue up. A lynch, potentially a scum lynch, would work just fine. But until Dice reveals his Lover, Cloud deserves to be strung up imo.

 

As for the Titans revealing, yes it would be a good idea. You either get 4 confirmed townies at once, or a chance to catch a LLL scum trying to pass as a wolf in sheep's clothing. 4 confirmed townies at once, btw, would be a huge advantage btw. Even if mafia tried targeting them, they'd be playing catch-up the whole game. The cop could even townhunt the whole time, limiting the pool to lynch from even quicker. And it might not even risk much, cause remember, Basel claimed Vanilla Titan. Don't think Darthe would have claimed Titan like he did if he was a town PR. So that could save our real PR's from NK's half the game. It really is a win win win win.

 

I also remembered something else. MCS let out a "godslip". He then was replaced by CSarlami. CSarlami comes in, and one of the first things he does is start defending Dice's Lover before we even know who it is. I bet you there's a GOOD chance Dice's Lover AND MCSarlami are scummy teammates.

 

Updated scum list:

 

Cloud

Dice's Lover (whoever it is)

CSarlami

Berf

 

By lynching the Lover you will also lose the potential Oracle. It's true that we can't be sure of everything that he has said if we lynch a Titan who might flips town, but it's better than the outing the Cop imo.

 

Hmm I didn't think about the Cop being able to scumhunt better if there are 4 confirmed townies out there. I however still think that it is a bad idea because you limit the lynch pool.

 

 

@Darthe: Good catch about Despo saying in the beginning of the game that he didn't think Titans are town, but then he said that the Gods are mafia. He has contradicted himself about the things that he claimed were written in his PM, and I think you are probably right that he is mafia. I also really like the rest of your gameplan because it's an easy way to catch mafia and confirm Dice at the same time. It's a lot better than my plan to just lynch a Titan.

 

 

Btw, I meant to mention earlier, it's my birthday today!

 

 

 

Happy birthday! :D

 

 

For the record, all gods can't be mafia and Dice didn't say that. If you have a limited number of non-gods then Gods must still be a large portion oc the game. It limits the pool, it doesn't break the game.

 

Makes sense. 

 

Dice can ask RTE how many Town-aligned Gods there are in the game besides Hallia. If its zero, then we know both Ithi and Csarlami are LLL's and mafia. If its one, then one of them is lying. Again, this info could be extremely helpful were we to claim our race (human, god, titan).

 

And so does this, but I still think that he is mafia after reading Darthe's post.

 

 

Unvote, Vote Despo

[_CLOUD]

 

 

 

Dice can ask RTE how many Town-aligned Gods there are in the game besides Hallia. If its zero, then we know both Ithi and Csarlami are LLL's and mafia. If its one, then one of them is lying. Again, this info could be extremely helpful were we to claim our race (human, god, titan).

What?

 

You replaced MCS. MCS said he was a God. Though I suppose you could be third party, but then Dice could ask about that too.

 

I looked up his three posts. None of them stated he were a God.

 

 

 

I'm going to like this game. Being a god is going to be so much fun :) Anywho, I'm all caught up, and the people I'm somewhat familiar playing with seem to be up to their typical day one shenanigans  while those who I am not familiar with are of course not as easy to read. Nothing sticking out to me as of yet, but we're only on page 5.

[csarmi]

Yea I read that, Cloud.

 

That doesn't state he's god. Hinting at it - maybe.

Not sure why. Your guess is as good as mine.

[_CLOUD]

So you aren't a god?

[Ithillian Turambar]

With regards to Dice's role being overpowered - I need a question answering.

 

Dice - do you get the answers to your questions in the QT you say you share with your Lover?

 

And Cloud - I think I was the first to mention Despo and the Titans and the Gods. Why would you attribute it to Darthe? Trying to make sure he doesn't look at you perhaps?

[csarmi]

 

Just wow. Do I misinterpret what you're saying here?

So you'd keep lynching titans and if none of them was scum you would learn that Dice was telling the truth? Or how?

 

Wow hold on for a moment. I never said that we should keep lynching Titans just to prove that Dice isn't lying. Lynching one, and the checking at the end of the game if there are 3 left will be more than enough proof imo.

 

Care to explain your notion? Because I don't get it.

[csarmi]

So you aren't a god?

I'm not a god.

[Ithillian Turambar]

CSarmi and Cloud now seem to be doing some choreographed damage control.

 

MCS probably was mafia and left because of it. He only recently said that he hates being Mafia and isn't that good at it. Not my opinion mind - just something he said.

[Darthe]

With regards to Dice's role being overpowered - I need a question answering.

 

Dice - do you get the answers to your questions in the QT you say you share with your Lover?

 

And Cloud - I think I was the first to mention Despo and the Titans and the Gods. Why would you attribute it to Darthe? Trying to make sure he doesn't look at you perhaps?

 

I am not following this.  

[_CLOUD]

 

 

Just wow. Do I misinterpret what you're saying here?

So you'd keep lynching titans and if none of them was scum you would learn that Dice was telling the truth? Or how?

 

Wow hold on for a moment. I never said that we should keep lynching Titans just to prove that Dice isn't lying. Lynching one, and the checking at the end of the game if there are 3 left will be more than enough proof imo.

 

Care to explain your notion? Because I don't get it.

 

 

Well it would proof that there are 4 Titans in the game who are town.

[Darthe]

CSarmi and Cloud now seem to be doing some choreographed damage control.

 

MCS probably was mafia and left because of it. He only recently said that he hates being Mafia and isn't that good at it. Not my opinion mind - just something he said.

 

Right..

 

Ithi is still mafia.  That first sentence could be said about any interaction in any game.

[csarmi]

 

 

 

Just wow. Do I misinterpret what you're saying here?

So you'd keep lynching titans and if none of them was scum you would learn that Dice was telling the truth? Or how?

 

Wow hold on for a moment. I never said that we should keep lynching Titans just to prove that Dice isn't lying. Lynching one, and the checking at the end of the game if there are 3 left will be more than enough proof imo.

 

Care to explain your notion? Because I don't get it.

 

 

Well it would proof that there are 4 Titans in the game who are town.

 

... and you'll know it by the end of the game?

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Just wow. Do I misinterpret what you're saying here?

So you'd keep lynching titans and if none of them was scum you would learn that Dice was telling the truth? Or how?

 

Wow hold on for a moment. I never said that we should keep lynching Titans just to prove that Dice isn't lying. Lynching one, and the checking at the end of the game if there are 3 left will be more than enough proof imo.

 

Care to explain your notion? Because I don't get it.

 

 

Well it would proof that there are 4 Titans in the game who are town.

 

 

Afraid not.  It would only prove that town can kill a titan at the cost of a day phase.  After all, alignments and roles are not correlative.  Believing Dice depends on Dice entirely, thus the only available proof comes in killing him or testing his word by some other means (ie: noting that all mafia we kill happen to be Gods would do the trick and is my plan).