Greek Mythology: Man Vs. Gods [Advanced] - GAME OVER - TOWN WINS!

[_CLOUD]

 

@Thorum:

 

Asking all the titans to come forward will only benefit the mafia because they will only start killing off all the confirmed townies. The only good way to deal with this is for them te keep quiet and only reveal if they absolutely have to. And what do you mean with two confirmed townies? Keeping an Oracle alive with the help of the Doc is more benefitial than just killing him. I don't think that Nolder and RTE would have made this game unbalanced, and so the mafia team must have a lot of tricks up their sleeves too.

 

@Ithi:

 

We could lynch a Titan to prove that Dice isn't lying about his info (I'm starting to believe him anyway but it's good to verify him).

I'd rather Lynch someone I felt was Mafia ... this idea feels wrong.

 

 

Meh it's a small sacrifice for keeping the Oracle and the Cop alive.

[berf]

Cloud how and what and why?

 

I'm saying the Cop should look at someone who's alignment it would be handy to have confirmed. 

 

....*biggest shrug in the world*

 

 

The double-guessing game between the Cop, Doc and Mafia is something I have nothing to do with. I really don't think though it's a huge stretch of the imagination for the Cop to consider viewing Dice though. Not like I was the one who put the attention on him, yes? He became a pretty clear target a page or two ago.

[_CLOUD]

Cloud how and what and why?

 

I'm saying the Cop should look at someone who's alignment it would be handy to have confirmed. 

 

....*biggest shrug in the world*

 

 

The double-guessing game between the Cop, Doc and Mafia is something I have nothing to do with. I really don't think though it's a huge stretch of the imagination for the Cop to consider viewing Dice though. Not like I was the one who put the attention on him, yes? He became a pretty clear target a page or two ago.

 

And what if something happens with the Cop's investigative result that makes it seem like Dice is mafia? Should he just reveal himself and then we all lynch Dice, and lose our Cop? Yeah, the Cop can view him just to be safe but I'm against the idea that he should get outed right now just because we didn't check his allignment in a different way. Basel mentioned that he is a Vanilla Titan so I would rather lose him than our Cop. We should think about what is the best move for town. 

 

Your logic about Dice surviving if his Lover is mafia is also flawed. I think the mafia would seriously consider killing their own teammate to just get to Dice if his Lover was indeed mafia.

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

 

 

@Thorum:

 

Asking all the titans to come forward will only benefit the mafia because they will only start killing off all the confirmed townies. The only good way to deal with this is for them te keep quiet and only reveal if they absolutely have to. And what do you mean with two confirmed townies? Keeping an Oracle alive with the help of the Doc is more benefitial than just killing him. I don't think that Nolder and RTE would have made this game unbalanced, and so the mafia team must have a lot of tricks up their sleeves too.

 

@Ithi:

 

We could lynch a Titan to prove that Dice isn't lying about his info (I'm starting to believe him anyway but it's good to verify him).

I'd rather Lynch someone I felt was Mafia ... this idea feels wrong.

Meh it's a small sacrifice for keeping the Oracle and the Cop alive.

So ... you believe that Dice is the Oracle? Then why do you feel to Lynch someone he says is Town to confirm him?

 

Unvote - Vote Cloud

[Thorum]

Cloud we don't need to kill a Titan. See above.

 

And MAJOR FOS @ THORUM and, who would have thought DESP for asking for the TITANS to come forward. Not Town Play.

 

But Note that Basel actually did. Only after this all come out though. Curious. I am not liking at all the play from Basel, however given the above I'm still ok with a Despo lynch. 

So, basically, major FOS for me because I agree with the majority of people having posted since the game was turned upside down?

 

For now, CS and Berf are very much against anyone claiming their race. i'd be very surprised if at least one of them wasn't mafia.

 

unvote, vote berf

 

We should wait till tomorrow to declare the lover.

 

The cop shouldn't out himself day 1 or 2, unless in danger of getting lynched.

 

Mafia is, inherently, numerically disadvantaged. They'd never let one of them die to take out a (basically) vanilla townie.

[_CLOUD]

Vote Basel

 

 

@Ithi: We should always try to verify someone. I indeed think that Dice is town, but I can't be sure and this might just be the biggest mafia gambit ever or something. I think everyone would relax more if we knew for certain that Dice is town.

[_CLOUD]

Btw I will have to go catch an appointment now but I will be back in about two hours or something.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Vote Basel

 

 

@Ithi: We should always try to verify someone. I indeed think that Dice is town, but I can't be sure and this might just be the biggest mafia gambit ever or something. I think everyone would relax more if we knew for certain that Dice is town.

And yet you felt that the only way to verify him involved Lynching. And you have already created the idea that if he is viewed and shown as Mafia/Town then we should not trust that information.

 

You are sewing WIFOM and up with that I will not put.

 

So I now wish for you to be Lynched.

[berf]

I think Basel is shaping up to be it today and I'm not worried about that to be honest because I'm suspicious of him, but it doesn't confirm anything. One bit of evidence does not make the whole theory true.

 

And to be honest I kinda forgot about the whole "Cop needs to talk" to give his info. It's been a long day.

 

 

 

You don't think Mafia would want to keep the numbers? What if the Mafia are roled? IE the block is tied to a specific member, the kill is tied to a specific member or whatever etc etc... Though I guess we can't know that until a flip.

 

Dice being dual-roled makes me think a mafia lover though might also be a powerful role. And if there IS a Godfather in play, maybe cop should just bloody holster

 

 

Hrmm.

 

I don't think we should lynch Dice. But mafia are going to NK him tonight anyway to either A) Take out two for 1, or B) Possibly protect thier interests.

 

Either way - the lover will more than likely come out tomorrow.

 

In which case they should come out now and give us more information to work with, because they are more than likely already dead, depending on Doc/Blocker roles and such.

 

Thoughts on that last?

[csarmi]

Dice, just tell us who it is. Easiest way to vet your info and potentially bag a scum as well. CSarlami pinging hardcore for trying to defend Lover before they are outed

 

I'm defending no one.

 

the reason i am hesitating is because it is possible i am wrong. 

 

and if im wrong and i out my lover we are dead I can be protested if deemed worthy. Two people cant be protected by one doc.

 

Hence wanting opinions.

 

As far as I understand, the maffia kill / doctor protection is already a WiFoM, adding another target for that WiFoM (your lover) doesn't help, but shouldn't hurt as much as you say it would.

You have endangered both of you the minute you spoke up, it's a risk you accepted already., Worth it? Dunno.

[csarmi]

 

 

 

Actually, why would we want to lynch either?

Hmm you are right. It wouldn't matter if we lynched Dice or his Lover.

 

I just came up with a better idea though. We can verify Dice with the help of his info, and ask the Doc to protect him at Night. He should then keep quiet about who his Lover is so that he won't be able to get killed.

Explain how you can verify Dice by using the info he has posted so far?

 

 

We can lynch a Titan?

 

 

Just wow. Do I misinterpret what you're saying here?

 

So you'd keep lynching titans and if none of them was scum you would learn that Dice was telling the truth? Or how?

[csarmi]

 

Cloud we don't need to kill a Titan. See above.

 

And MAJOR FOS @ THORUM and, who would have thought DESP for asking for the TITANS to come forward. Not Town Play.

 

But Note that Basel actually did. Only after this all come out though. Curious. I am not liking at all the play from Basel, however given the above I'm still ok with a Despo lynch. 

So, basically, major FOS for me because I agree with the majority of people having posted since the game was turned upside down?

 

For now, CS and Berf are very much against anyone claiming their race. i'd be very surprised if at least one of them wasn't mafia.

 

unvote, vote berf

 

We should wait till tomorrow to declare the lover.

 

The cop shouldn't out himself day 1 or 2, unless in danger of getting lynched.

 

Mafia is, inherently, numerically disadvantaged. They'd never let one of them die to take out a (basically) vanilla townie.

 

 

Bolded = Classic scum play. 

[csarmi]

Vote Basel

 

 

@Ithi: We should always try to verify someone. I indeed think that Dice is town, but I can't be sure and this might just be the biggest mafia gambit ever or something. I think everyone would relax more if we knew for certain that Dice is town.

 

Why would we want to relax? This is maffia.

 

You don't relax. You scumhunt until all scum are dead. Also,your first statement is just plain false. No, you don't always have to try to verify someone. More often than now, that's just a distraction that would solve itself in a day or two.

[berf]

 

Cassandra was an Oracle. She was technically the possession of Apollo - and was gifted with the ability to see the future. But she spurned him and was doomed to never be believed.

 

I don't know if Apollo would be classed as Bad - but he certainly was not forgiving lol. I also have this weird feeling that Despo would be Apollo if I'm guessing right - as he said it would be very ironic when I called him Cassandra that time.

Apollo would definitely be "one of the 4 major gods", which would be mafia. 

 

 

 

I'm also kinda surprised to find out that the Titans in this game are town. Since we know how many there are, I say they come forward and reveal themselves. We'll either get 4 confirmed townies off the bat, or else one or more of the mafia will try and cc and slip in and we will have good leads on other scum.

 

Was also nice to see myself vindicated bout the mafia=gods thing 

 

This pings.

 

1) Yea I'm sure the mod didn't think about that. 

2) Asking people to reveal information for the maffia? Seriously?

 

CS, this is actually a good idea. If everyone states his/her race, we either get 4 confirmed townies now, or a split between two groups of known mafia/town allignment.

 

I'm not a titan.

 

 

Almost forgot Unvote since it looks like Basel might be confirmed town

How? What did I miss?

 

 

We don't have to ask the doc anything. With two confirmed townies, let's not make things too easy for mafia.

 

My two cents: lets wait till after the night. Gives town more options, and mafia less. However, we need a lynch. CS's opposition to revealing titan or not looks bad...

 

 

 

Skimming, Thorum. First you say CS - This is a good idea for eveyone to mass claim - when A) it is your teammate Despo's idea and B) It is a terrible idea.

 

And as for FOSing for me going against the MAJORITY of players? 

 

Only you and Desp wanted people to out themselves. Myself, Cloud, and CS wanted them to stay silent. I believe I have the majority, sunshine.

 

Pretty sloppy.

 

 

If it isn't Desp/Thorum/Basel I'm going to eat my shoe.

[csarmi]

Work to do now, I'll be back later with a read up.

Until then, have fun. This D1 is getting interesting.

[berf]

Oh and I just figured out my derp above - you were attempting to force your terrible idea down CS's throat, not give him credit for it.

 

Carry on.

[michellem]

GUYS! If we lynch Dice, or his lover, to "confirm" the info, BOTH DIES! Have you all forgotten basic mafia roles?

 

Masons = two town.

Neighbours = maybe two town, maybe a mafia, who knows.

Lovers = "Lovers are players who are linked to each other. If one Lover dies, the Lover(s) linked to it die simultaneously. Lovers have been known to be of any alignment. It is not at all implausible to have Lovers in Town-scum pairs"

 

So unless we want to loose Dice right now, for a potential, not in any way guaranteed right now, especially since we don't even know who it is, mafia death, go ahead. But personally, I think Dice's information is too valuable to loose him right now.

If you are a Lover ... and you think the other Lover is a Mafia, and you tell us and we Lynch them, that generally means that you will die too.

That being said - you have done an amazing job of getting so much information with regards to the game set up, and your death and coroner's report will verify all of it.

I have this half memory of the God of the Underworld being married to a Goddess from Olympus - but I could be wrong. I am sure you know who you are and have researched who your Lover may be.

I would say go for it. I don't think you would offer yourself up to die unless you had good reason.

 

Bolded: That would be Persephone, wich Hallia is.

 

 

Cloud is pinging me seriously right now; just brushing off the fact that he thought it was OK that Wombat acted just like he did when we knew he was mafia (and yes, I did mean for that so say more about you Cloud, than about Wombat or Thorum. Whyyyy would you ignore that fact?!) and his attitude in this discussion going on now. 

 

 

But right now I'm tired and a bit hungover, so I'll wait for my headache to go away before I can give a more in-depth view on that.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Oh ... why is Despo surprised to find that the Titans are Town? He has information that led him to believe that the Gods are likely to be the mafia.

 

Maybe that is literally true.

 

Maybe he is fibbing about being human.

 

Maybe he is a God. A MAFIA GOD!!!!

 

so of course he knows at least some of the Gods are the Mafia!

 

dun dun duuuuuun!

 

it's so exciting. I may even switch my vote back again.

[berf]

I thought you were already voting him I can't keep up.

 

I meant to ask - My PM said I was HUMAN - are TITAN Pm's giving them as TITAN, and GOD's as GOD?

 

Because if so, the info from Dice is very telling.

[Thorum]

 

If it isn't Desp/Thorum/Basel I'm going to eat my shoe.

 

Bon appetit ! I hope you like the taste of leather

 

 

Why is it scummy to think one of the two people protesting hard against a very towny move is likely mafia?

 

 

Anyone know why Basel 'seems confirmed town'?

[hazelkrs1]

Vote Cloud

 

Advocating lynching a Titan to try and vet Dice's claim? Awful idea. If he is telling the truth, then we just lynched a townie. At least with lynching the Lover you would get a chance, in fact a good one, of catching scum. Plus you can get a false positive- Dice could be lying or something (doubtful), and yet some of the Titans be town, some antitown. We could potentially "vet" him even if he was lying.

 

We do not need a cop viewing to clear this issue up. A lynch, potentially a scum lynch, would work just fine. But until Dice reveals his Lover, Cloud deserves to be strung up imo.

 

As for the Titans revealing, yes it would be a good idea. You either get 4 confirmed townies at once, or a chance to catch a LLL scum trying to pass as a wolf in sheep's clothing. 4 confirmed townies at once, btw, would be a huge advantage btw. Even if mafia tried targeting them, they'd be playing catch-up the whole game. The cop could even townhunt the whole time, limiting the pool to lynch from even quicker. And it might not even risk much, cause remember, Basel claimed Vanilla Titan. Don't think Darthe would have claimed Titan like he did if he was a town PR. So that could save our real PR's from NK's half the game. It really is a win win win win.

 

I also remembered something else. MCS let out a "godslip". He then was replaced by CSarlami. CSarlami comes in, and one of the first things he does is start defending Dice's Lover before we even know who it is. I bet you there's a GOOD chance Dice's Lover AND MCSarlami are scummy teammates.

 

Updated scum list:

 

Cloud

Dice's Lover (whoever it is)

CSarlami

Berf

[berf]

How is it a town move? 

 

By outing themselves, and lets face it possible roles with a name like Titan, they make themselves mafia nk targets.

[Thorum]

mega ninja

 

Maybe he is fibbing about being human.

Maybe he is a God. A MAFIA GOD!!!!

then why would he tell us all mafia are gods?

[Darthe]

IMPORTANT SERIES OF QUOTES

 

 

BTW, for the point of it I am a Titan and I am town too.

 

Anybody wanna argue about specific factions being town/scum?

My initial reveal.

 

We could always Lynch one of each of us and see :)

Ithi immediate response (Seriously, she is scum).

 

Blech. Wretched night. Finally finished audit, and I'm trying to get out of zombie mode. Here goes (half of this was done before audit, so some of my thoughts might be disjointed, sorry) -

 

despo do u work nights and weekends?

 

I work nights, and don't work every weekend, but 2/3 of them I do.

 

Mafia leads:

Basel - flip flop voting, backing down very easy as if not trying cause waves
Desp - the wot on day 1? Plus overexplaining, somewhat contradictory, and I feel as though he should be smart enough to see Praya's posts for what they are - posts of a smart person who gets mafia, doesn't quite know the ettiquite of these parts though yet. My vibes anyway. Feels like a reach case. Plus - trap? Really?
Darthe - this isnt his first game with Ithi. Strange. Eyes on.
Cloud - BECAUSE ERNIE PRANG IS THE PERFECT 3RD PARTY ROLE YOU BASTARD!


OK joking about the last about cloud.

Vote Basel - way too mutable of an opinion there my friend.
Desp is next. But Darthe that is curious commentary.

 

Are you seriously commenting on me using a wot day 1? Have you played with me before?

 

And you could pretty much say I always overexplain. I'm just not a very concise person.

 

As for Pral, first off I never insinuated that Pral wasn't intelligent, and he is def a very fast learner and seems to have a lot of potential as a newer mafia player. But he still isn't going to know all the lingo and expressions, so my only purpose in clearing up the "open setup" thing was to let him know what most people thought that referred to. Second, you say I should recognize his posts for what they really are, yadda yadda yadda. This makes it seem like you KNOW he isn't scum. How do you know his posts aren't those of a scummie trying to manipulate town?

 

And finally the trap thing. Yes, it was a trap. Incidentally, there's a reason I seldom use traps, and essentially this is why. People often take trap claims with a skeptical eye, understandably. However, the one thing I like pulling a trap with is this specific type thing: By setting up a setup talk trap, you go into it with the knowledge that scum that fall for the trap will prob try and deceive town into thinking something erroneous about the setup. Therefore, if you catch scum with the trap, you might additionally gain info as well, knowing what they were saying was likely a lie of some kind. I find it to be a pretty effective strategy when it works, since you can potentially bag a scum as well as find out more about the setup.

 

What a boring Basel train. Did des really just pull an EP??

Ithi is def mafia. I wouldn't be grtting this sort of heat for saying it otherwise, she wouldnf have needed to claim (which btw means nothing), and town Ithi would habe immediately responded to my accusation.

 

Darthe slips in a fairly obvious AtE here with the EP thing. Trying to get me riled up by making the comparison to EP.

 

Still don't see scum Ithi revealing as a God right after I mentioned that they would be mafia and that anyone trying to convince town some gods are good would prob be scum.

 

 

What a boring Basel train. Did des really just pull an EP??

You mean, by doing something incredibly scummy, and then when people saw how scummy it was, backtracking and making up a line of bull about it being a trap? Yeah, I think he did.

 

 

Interesting that Basel follows Darthe's AtE, buddies up to him by doing so, and then Darthe doesn't call him out for it. Obvious teammates much, guys?

 

 

I'm going to like this game. Being a god is going to be so much fun :) Anywho, I'm all caught up, and the people I'm somewhat familiar playing with seem to be up to their typical day one shenanigans  while those who I am not familiar with are of course not as easy to read. Nothing sticking out to me as of yet, but we're only on page 5.

 

 

...

 

BTW, for the point of it I am a Titan and I am town too.

 

Anybody wanna argue about specific factions being town/scum?

 

Wow. Just wow. Within less than a day, we got 2 God reveals and a Titan one as well. Now, Ithi's claim was deliberate, so altho she might be pulling some kind of stunt, for now I feel it less likely she's scum. And after all, we know of at least one god that is town, so there's def the possibility of more gods flipping town.

 

But MCS's reveal didn't seem deliberate at all, it seemed like it slipped out as if he wasn't even aware of the discussion about gods and how they'd be aligned. It could have been designed to look that way, but either way I'm highly suspect of him now. Either it was an accidental slip, and he's a god but prob not town, or it was deliberate, and he's a scummy divinity that was emboldened by Ithi's reveal.

 

As for Darthe, there's just no way I see a Titan being town (with one small exception). Some of the Gods were described with fairly pleasant personalities, and granted favors and boons to their worshippers. No titans were described this way however, they were instead described as pretty monstrous, and power hungry and devious and crap. Not exactly the qualities of one who would work in unison with mortals. Their is one figure however, that is technically a titan, but he's not usually regarded as such, and that is Prometheus.

 

Now obviously, since we can't character claim, even if Darthe was Prometheus and was town he couldn't tell us. That being said, ignoring all the theme talk, his gameplay itself has seemed questionable to me to say the least this game, so I shall Unvote, Vote Darthe. I think there's a good chance him and Basel are teammates, and I could also easily vote MCS for his bizarro reveal. Still wary of Pral, but I haven't really seen anything else questionable since the setup talk, and he is new after all so might be unaware of the taboo associated with early setup talk.

 

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Scum list:

 

Darthe

Basel

MCS

Pral

 

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Mish, Krak, and Song need to speak up a bit more and give some thoughts or opinions imo. Also feel like I haven't seen much from Cloud this game.

I've quoted this whole post because of how bad it is, but keep in mind the Des BOLDED for a moment.

 

Actually there is one more titan possibility tho he is usually considered a god

Dice's reaction seems to breadcrumb his reveal, lending credence to it imo.

 

@ Des - I have rarely seen "traps" work and most of the times it looks like something made up afterwards. 

 

What is AtE?

 

You might be on to something with MCS. As I already said I won´t vote Darthe or you or Ithi just because you claimed Titan, human or god.

Tina's reactions (both of them) look very town to me.

 

 

Can we stay to the matter at hand?  Why did nobody deign 102 worth notice?  

 

This was to Ithi´s suggestion that we should lynch one of each, I believe. I don´t like this suggestion. We don´t know how our mod has designed this game. Eventually the coroners report will give us clues. 

 

 

 

IMPORTANT DO NOT SKIM!!!!!!

 

Those of you who know me in the Band know im a Fighter not a Lover. Well in this game i AM a Lover. One who I think has been betrayed. 

 

I am also an Oracle. I am allowed to ask the Mod questions about the setup but can only get up to 2 words in answer. It also has to be info he would have known before characters were filled.

 

So far I know that there are 4 mafia team members. That team is ALL gods. I also asked if the major gods were the mafia. They are.

 

There is also no recruiting.

 

There are 4 Titans. They are all TOWN.

 

there is 1 third party

 

there is 1 vig

 

there is no SK

 

There IS a Godfather

 

the only teams in the game are Town, Mafia and the Lovers.

 

Now as for why i am coming forward When I asked was my lover town i was given PAFO. When i questioned it the response leads me to believe my Lover is 3rd party at best mafia at worst. And no the mod did not say anything definite. However he claimed in the QT to be the Town Coroner. I dont believe that as I cannot see a coroner being third party.  

 

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Coroner

 

 

 

SO do I

 

a) keep my lovers identity to myself

 

b) tell his identity.

 

 

Other option I tell but we dont kill which might neutralize my lover.

 

Also my Lover knew most of this answers as i shared them. Thus Mafia may already know

 

Thoughts and reasons please

Here is the reveal post.

 

 

Holy bazonkas that's a lot to process. I have to believe the claim cause I don't think there's any way you could have come up with that much stuff as a lie. It is incredible however, that RTE put a role so OP in the game. Whelp, this should be pretty easy.

I say you should out your partner/Lover. It's already pretty common to see mixed couple a lot as Lovers, and you getting a PAFO to that question when so many other questions were answered is pretty iffy to say the least. And even though we'll prob lose you, you've already given us so much we'll have gotten great use out of your role either way.

 

I'm also kinda surprised to find out that the Titans in this game are town. Since we know how many there are, I say they come forward and reveal themselves. We'll either get 4 confirmed townies off the bat, or else one or more of the mafia will try and cc and slip in and we will have good leads on other scum.

 

Was also nice to see myself vindicated bout the mafia=gods thing

 

AND NOW LOOK AT THIS DES TURNAROUND.  Combined with the ULTIMATE ROLEFISHING HE HAS BEEN DOING ALL GAME this one should be a no brainer.  

Dice, that's an awful lot of info you have been given. I'm finding it suspicious that an oracle would be allowed that many questions just during the first phase. How many questions are you allowed to ask?

And I am a titan. I feel I can reveal that, since others have said they are god/men/whatever without saying their characters, and have not gotten mod-wrathed.

Fair enough.

 

Almost forgot Unvote since it looks like Basel might be confirmed town

See what I mean about des?  "looks like" "might be" etc.  He is waffling on wanting to give up potential leads.

 

 

Here is my thought process.  Dice looks conf town atm and so do the four titans, of which I have thus counted myself and Basel.  If all Mafia are Gods then the mod messed something up or this game is going to be effing insane for town.  Know why?

 

Artificially limiting the lynch pool.  One of my favorite ways to D1 scumhunt.  It seems illogical to believe, but it fits.  Thus  with -6 potential players scum has to NK us and lynch from the others left and play a near perfect game to boot or they auto lose.  Here is my proposal.

 

Lynch Des today.  Lynch Ithi tomorrow.  Des because he is obv scum, Ithi because she claimed God, is on my radar (and I am near enough confirmed to be trusted), and the odds of her being mafia are now higher than 1/4 significantly.  If we get a mafia flip thats a God flip then Dice is semi-believable.  If we get two?  He is confirmed as is everyone else he mentioned.  If neither?  Kill Dice to get the truth of the matter.

 

This is a valid gameplan folks.  

 

Unvote Vote Des.

 

/Darthe'd

[berf]

Desp I didn't see CS defending the Lover, only resisting the reveal, but the God thing from earlier is actually a good catch...

 

Dice didn't find out if all Gods were mafia though. 

 

CS - thoughts?