(BASIC): The Perfect Pizza Town wins

[Darthe]

I was referring to you telling Mish your vote was reaction testing.  It invalidates the point.

[Darthe]

Kaylee I'm already clearly not thinking Desp and Mish are worthy of credit anyway. Plus Krono and Tress had early pressure and have since dropped off. Not exactly shining paragon's of Town-ness, not that this is anywhere near an accusation at this stage.

 

My statement is bringing attention to the fact that of those who have sustained pressure on Day 1, 100% of them are on my train. This has set my mind into motion, and it might do others.

 

Focus.  If you had to pick an individual to vote today and couldn't change that vote where would you place it and why?

[peacesells]

Lynch Panchi.

[berf]

As I said I just think it's curious.

 

I am quite certain of Mish's maifa-ness, I am 50/50 on Desp, and I am irritated about Panch. My vote will stay on Mish until it becomes clear that it won't help, and at that time it will be moved appropriately.

 

Panch is due for modkilling or replacement though, so kind of a wasted vote. I believe Basel said he had given her 24 hours or some such to get to posting.

[Kaylee]

I was referring to you telling Mish your vote was reaction testing. It invalidates the point.

didn't say I was good at it.

[hazelkrs1]

Catching up now

[hazelkrs1]

Ugh nvm starting audit. Bbl

[hazelkrs1]

If mafia picks a random target from say, 10, versus 8, yes that's an increase but really, how much at this stage of the game?

 

 

At this stage of the game, it might not make much difference. But think about how it will be as the pool to shoot from grows smaller, from people dying and claiming. In a couple of days, if we don't lynch scum, they could be looking at 7, with two possibly only vanilla according to your theory. 1 in 5 isn't exactly awful odds for a NK, and really it's more like 2/5 since there are likely two town PR's, this being a basic game.

 

So yeah, imo it was pretty anti-town to have pointed it out like that, and I think it's possible you didn't even bring it up to try and rolefish per se, but as a way of trying to show you were "looking for mafia." I just think it blew up in your face.

 

Regardless, once again I'll say that the whole business is just kinda pointless, as it is gaming the mod at best, and possibly outing town PR's for scum at worst. I've seen a lot of scum slip fairly obviously anti-town ideas out on thread lately while trying to look like helpful town.

 

Berf claimed anchovy?  Doesn't that just reek of evil?

 

Uh, were you serious with this? I'm not sure about everyone else, but I got my "character" well before I got my role.

 

Why are you always so scummy Hallia? Yeesh. FOS.

 

Mish: I gave reasons. I said for pushing the VT vetted angle. I also said I was voting to add pressure.

 

Le sigh. I dream of a day where posts like this will be no more. It's already been said, but I'll say it again: Saying a vote is for pressure defeats the purpose of voting them in the first place. It implies that all you really want is a claim or reactions for others, so the person being voted might not sweat it as much. Also, as Darthe pointed out, it sort of distances yourself from the lynch. He can get hammered later, and you can claim "Whoa! I didn't want to lynch him, just pressure him!"

 

"For pressure" should prob be removed from the mafia lexicon imo.

 

As I said I just think it's curious.

 

I am quite certain of Mish's maifa-ness, I am 50/50 on Desp, and I am irritated about Panch. My vote will stay on Mish until it becomes clear that it won't help, and at that time it will be moved appropriately.

 

Panch is due for modkilling or replacement though, so kind of a wasted vote. I believe Basel said he had given her 24 hours or some such to get to posting.

 

Basel said he was giving her till the end of day phase:

 

Panchi has until the end of day phase to step it up or be replaced. One post in the whole game by this point is not nearly enough.

 

I do agree that lynching her would be a bit of a waste tho, since I highly doubt she shows up with anything meaningful by then. Let her get replaced, and we'll start trying to get reads from whoever replaces her after that.

 

That's not to say that it doesn't HIGHLY irritate me that she constantly does this. If Berf doesn't replace her for w/e reason, I def think a policy lynch on her is well in order tomorrow. But yeah, Peace and Cindy. Panchi is a pretty crummy lynch for today. Day 1's are waaaay too important for town, we need a nice informative lynch to set us up well for the rest of the game. Vote Berf.

 

*waits for Cindy to come back scolding me for telling her who to vote for *

[hazelkrs1]

And I want to take this opportunity to reiterate btw, Berf's backpedaling is easily the scummiest thing of the game so far imo. I think we got a great shot at continuing the "lynching scum Day 1" tradition if we hang him. The fact that his lynch has seemingly stalled only makes me feel even more comfortable with my vote.

[berf]

 

Regardless, once again I'll say that the whole business is just kinda pointless, as it is gaming the mod at best, and possibly outing town PR's for scum at worst. I've seen a lot of scum slip fairly obviously anti-town ideas out on thread lately while trying to look like helpful town.

 

A) Agreed

 

B) At best it finds mafia, at worst we lose 2 VT's to NK's. If Town roles are revealed, then so are mafia. And anyway, see above. I agree that with Mish being scum, the theory is moot.

 

C) Well done? Why would other people's play be of any concern when considering mine, in this instance? Just because other people have been doing a thing, doesn't make me any more likely to. There is zero connection here, come on. 

 

 

 

RE: Hallia's comment. I have no idea where she is going with that. I stated in the exact same post, the very line after I believe, that it's probably useless information given the setup.

 

Hey look, another reference to me looking at the setup. It's almost like it's something I spend a lot of doing it :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Berf doesn't replace her for w/e reason

 

Quick, he slipped! Lynch him!

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I want to take this opportunity to reiterate btw, Berf's backpedaling is easily the scummiest thing of the game so far imo. I think we got a great shot at continuing the "lynching scum Day 1" tradition if we hang him. The fact that his lynch has seemingly stalled only makes me feel even more comfortable with my vote.

 

For a start, that tradition line is just grossly out of place and only inserted to puff up your sentence to make it look longer. It has no case relevance. And the lynch has stalled because I have put forward my reasons for doing what I have been doing, and it seems a few people at least can see the logic of it. Enough that it doesn't warrant killing me. Enough that it isn't backpeddling, but looking at the holes in my case, and saying 'fair enough' and moving on. 

 

And if I was backpeddling I wouldn't still openly admit to thinking you very well might be scum still. I'd be running.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Regardless, once again I'll say that the whole business is just kinda pointless, as it is gaming the mod at best, and possibly outing town PR's for scum at worst. I've seen a lot of scum slip fairly obviously anti-town ideas out on thread lately while trying to look like helpful town.

 

A) Agreed

 

 

B) At best it finds mafia, at worst we lose 2 VT's to NK's. If Town roles are revealed, then so are mafia. And anyway, see above. I agree that with Mish being scum, the theory is moot.

 

Wrong. At worst it could lead to mafia NK'ing off our PR's. And town roles can be revealed without mafia ones being revealed necessarily. It all completely hinges upon how Basel might have set up the triggers.

 

C) Well done? Why would other people's play be of any concern when considering mine, in this instance? Just because other people have been doing a thing, doesn't make me any more likely to. There is zero connection here, come on. 

Zero connection here? I'm comparing your play to the play of recent scummers I've seen, and you say there is no connection?

 

 

 

RE: Hallia's comment. I have no idea where she is going with that. I stated in the exact same post, the very line after I believe, that it's probably useless information given the setup.

 

Hey look, another reference to me looking at the setup. It's almost like it's something I spend a lot of doing it :P

Could be she's your teammate and wanted to find something to justify her bus vote on you /shrug  

 

 

If Berf doesn't replace her for w/e reason

 

 

Quick, he slipped! Lynch him!

 

 

 

 

And I want to take this opportunity to reiterate btw, Berf's backpedaling is easily the scummiest thing of the game so far imo. I think we got a great shot at continuing the "lynching scum Day 1" tradition if we hang him. The fact that his lynch has seemingly stalled only makes me feel even more comfortable with my vote.

 

 

For a start, that tradition line is just grossly out of place and only inserted to puff up your sentence to make it look longer. It has no case relevance. And the lynch has stalled because I have put forward my reasons for doing what I have been doing, and it seems a few people at least can see the logic of it. Enough that it doesn't warrant killing me. Enough that it isn't backpeddling, but looking at the holes in my case, and saying 'fair enough' and moving on. 

 

And if I was backpeddling I wouldn't still openly admit to thinking you very well might be scum still. I'd be running.

 

I think there's MORE than enough evidence against you to indicate town has got a great chance of lynching scum day 1 if we ever get you hammered. And I felt it worth pointing out because people might need more motivation for voting where the best chance of catching scum actually is, instead of going with the crap shoot on an inactive.

 

I think most of your "reasons" for doing what you have been doing was AtE. Apparently it worked on some. Not on me.

 

Re: Backpedaling - Once again, you're resorting the whole "If I was mafia, I would do this!" strategy. No one knows what you would do as mafia except YOU. You might not want to backpedal all the way cause you think that would look more odd. Your reads on me do seem to have downgraded the further we go along however... that one post where you said it wasn't personal made it look a lot to me like you really didn't even think I was scum at all, and were apologizing for casing me in the first place. And recently you said you had a 50/50 read on me, even tho you were so sure before...

[hazelkrs1]

Second to the last quote part messed up, my b.

[peacesells]

Someone please explain to me how a stalling lynch indicates scum?  <=baffled.  Sounds like something cool to say.

 

 

Day 1 is the best day to lynch inactives.  Hurts worse later if town.

[peacesells]

Someone please explain to me how a stalling lynch indicates scum?  <=baffled.  Sounds like something cool to say.

 

 

Day 1 is the best day to lynch inactives.  Hurts worse later if town.

[berf]

dm being weird test...

[peacesells]

dm being weird test...

success

[hazelkrs1]

Someone please explain to me how a stalling lynch indicates scum? <=baffled. Sounds like something cool to say.

 

 

Day 1 is the best day to lynch inactives. Hurts worse later if town.

Do you really need me to say this?

 

A lynch stalling could indicate that most if not all of the people on the train are town, and scummates are waiting in the hopes that they don't have to bus and that another easy train might develop on a townie, or are waiting for the right moment TO bus

 

And can you explain why day 1 would be the best day to lynch an inactive?

[hazelkrs1]

Inactive lynches provide less info, and giving the mod more time to replace/modkill the inactive means you might not have to use a lynch on them at all

[peacesells]

Cause it's best to punish them early and often. 

[hazelkrs1]

Meh I guess. Better for the long run I suppose, more damage in the short term.

[berf]

 

 

Wrong. At worst it could lead to mafia NK'ing off our PR's. And town roles can be revealed without mafia ones being revealed necessarily. It all completely hinges upon how Basel might have set up the triggers.

 

So - in this situation the Roles have become public yes? Based on analysis of the pattern? The mafia is aware of the Town power roles through this train of investigation.

 

That same analysis, ie hunting for the triggers, is equally likely to throw up mafia or town roles. It will create a list of people who have activated triggers, a suspect pool if you will. When the Town roles start getting picked off, this leaves only the mafia as the suspects still alive, by pure deduction. 

 

And as to the last... It's moot. The theory is kaput. Mish is scum.

 

 

 

 

Zero connection here? I'm comparing your play to the play of recent scummers I've seen, and you say there is no connection?

 

The connection only hinges on the presumption that I am mafia, and yet you present it as a supporting fact, rather than a link. It's all in the delivery. You are, dare I say it, falling into confirmation bias. Or so it seems.

 

 

 

I think there's MORE than enough evidence against you to indicate town has got a great chance of lynching scum day 1 if we ever get you hammered. And I felt it worth pointing out because people might need more motivation for voting where the best chance of catching scum actually is, instead of going with the crap shoot on an inactive

 

They shouldn't need encouragement to vote me. Your case should stand on it's on merit.

[michellem]

But I'm not mafia Berf; just because I argued with you doesn't make me mafia

 

 

Right now I'd be fine with keeping my vote where it is, or move it to Kaylee (for her lame reasons to vote me, all fancy words that doesn't mean a thing in the end).

 

Loving the ned avatar Des.

 

 

Now I'm gonna step away for a while, I'm in a pissy mood (our junkie/dealer neighbours brother tried to light our veranda on fire this morning) and I don't want to take it out on you guys.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

 

If mafia picks a random target from say, 10, versus 8, yes that's an increase but really, how much at this stage of the game?

 

 

At this stage of the game, it might not make much difference. But think about how it will be as the pool to shoot from grows smaller, from people dying and claiming. In a couple of days, if we don't lynch scum, they could be looking at 7, with two possibly only vanilla according to your theory. 1 in 5 isn't exactly awful odds for a NK, and really it's more like 2/5 since there are likely two town PR's, this being a basic game.

 

So yeah, imo it was pretty anti-town to have pointed it out like that, and I think it's possible you didn't even bring it up to try and rolefish per se, but as a way of trying to show you were "looking for mafia." I just think it blew up in your face.

 

Regardless, once again I'll say that the whole business is just kinda pointless, as it is gaming the mod at best, and possibly outing town PR's for scum at worst. I've seen a lot of scum slip fairly obviously anti-town ideas out on thread lately while trying to look like helpful town.

 

Berf claimed anchovy?  Doesn't that just reek of evil?

 

 

Uh, were you serious with this? I'm not sure about everyone else, but I got my "character" well before I got my role.

 

Why are you always so scummy Hallia? Yeesh. FOS.

 

Mish: I gave reasons. I said for pushing the VT vetted angle. I also said I was voting to add pressure.

 

 

Le sigh. I dream of a day where posts like this will be no more. It's already been said, but I'll say it again: Saying a vote is for pressure defeats the purpose of voting them in the first place. It implies that all you really want is a claim or reactions for others, so the person being voted might not sweat it as much. Also, as Darthe pointed out, it sort of distances yourself from the lynch. He can get hammered later, and you can claim "Whoa! I didn't want to lynch him, just pressure him!"

 

"For pressure" should prob be removed from the mafia lexicon imo.

 

As I said I just think it's curious.

 

I am quite certain of Mish's maifa-ness, I am 50/50 on Desp, and I am irritated about Panch. My vote will stay on Mish until it becomes clear that it won't help, and at that time it will be moved appropriately.

 

Panch is due for modkilling or replacement though, so kind of a wasted vote. I believe Basel said he had given her 24 hours or some such to get to posting.

 

 

Basel said he was giving her till the end of day phase:

 

 

Panchi has until the end of day phase to step it up or be replaced. One post in the whole game by this point is not nearly enough.

 

 

 

I do agree that lynching her would be a bit of a waste tho, since I highly doubt she shows up with anything meaningful by then. Let her get replaced, and we'll start trying to get reads from whoever replaces her after that.

 

That's not to say that it doesn't HIGHLY irritate me that she constantly does this. If Berf doesn't replace her for w/e reason, I def think a policy lynch on her is well in order tomorrow. But yeah, Peace and Cindy. Panchi is a pretty crummy lynch for today. Day 1's are waaaay too important for town, we need a nice informative lynch to set us up well for the rest of the game. Vote Berf.

 

*waits for Cindy to come back scolding me for telling her who to vote for *

I'll not scold you, though it's curious that you keep giving me the here kitty kitty.

 

when i move my vote, it's going to go to my top scum read

 

who has spent this night, and the last one... cheer leading a lynch.

 

which... is a bad thing, you said?

 

you're really anxious to get berf lynched.

 

what are your feelings on the competing trains school of thought?

 

unvote vote des

[Kaylee]

Unvote

 

Mish: pressure votes, when done correctly, can yield good information. Sometimes it helps get a better read on a player.

 

Enough about that.

[Basel Gill]

Vote count:

 

Berf (5): Krak, Kronos, Des, Mish, Tress

Mish (1): Berf

Kronos (1): Tiink

Tiink (1): Hally

Des (2): Darthe, Cindy

Panchi (1): Peace

 

Not voting (2): Panchi, Kaylee

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is Tues. Jul. 23rd at 9 PM EST.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130723T21&p0=422

 

Panchi has asked for a replacement.