November 7th, 1606: Day 4 (CONCLUDED)

Yates · July 19, 2013

GG Des

Would have been better if he shot Cloud last night and saved us a jailkeeper. I would have never questioned his Vig claim with a dead Cloud. I still don't understand why he didn't shoot his primary scum read from Day 1...

serra · July 19, 2013

Well that was a nice flip to wake up to.

Slightly lame you guys ended Day so quick but I don't really mind just disappointed I wasn't around.

Cool that we got mafia in exchange for vig too since vig can screw over our numbers.

Also good that he died now and we didn't waste a lynch on him for SK later.

GG Des

This sounds a bit fake. "Oh yay you guys lynched scum without me good job I wish I could have been around for it" often comes from scum in my experience.

Yates · July 19, 2013

I'm pretty sure we already have Nolder pegged as scum. I'm leaning scum on Razen now, too.

Verbal32 · July 19, 2013

GG Des

Would have been better if he shot Cloud last night and saved us a jailkeeper. I would have never questioned his Vig claim with a dead Cloud. I still don't understand why he didn't shoot his primary scum read from Day 1...

Exactly. Good scumhunting on thread, poor execution of his role over the night phase.

I'm pretty sure we already have Nolder pegged as scum. I'm leaning scum on Razen now, too.

Agree on Razen, less on Nolder. Toss yourself in there, too, while you're at it. ;-)

Yates · July 19, 2013

I'm pretty sure we already have Nolder pegged as scum. I'm leaning scum on Razen now, too.
Agree on Razen, less on Nolder. Toss yourself in there, too, while you're at it. ;-)

No thanks, I'm busy catching scum.

What's your thought here? Cloud bussed me instead of hiding in what would have been an unnoticed Yates vote? And I subsequently bussed him right back?

lolguy26 · July 19, 2013

could be a distancing vote

just sayin :wink:

Verbal32 · July 19, 2013

I'm pretty sure we already have Nolder pegged as scum. I'm leaning scum on Razen now, too.
Agree on Razen, less on Nolder. Toss yourself in there, too, while you're at it. ;-)

No thanks, I'm busy catching scum.

What's your thought here? Cloud bussed me instead of hiding in what would have been an unnoticed Yates vote? And I subsequently bussed him right back?

No, I'm still on the subtle Cop direction you were insinuating.

...my problem with this is if he was an SK why would he come out and fess up to shooting Ishy the jailkeeper right when day started and we had no idea who did it?
I can't tell you why he did it. I can tell you *I* would do it for Town credit. If the scope of suspicion ever swung my way and I wanted to be able to wiggle out of the noose with a Vig claim, I wouldn't want to have to answer for why I didn't claim immediately on Day 2.

That said, he still has today and tonight to prove he's Town and to shoot scum. I'm willing to roll with it. We can deal with Des's claim tomorrow since we can only lynch 1 at a time. Heck, for all you know I actually believe Des's claim 100% and I'm leaving this out there so scum will think Des has a chance of being lynched tomorrow thus saving his hide tonight. See what I'm saying?

I can't decide whether the bolded helps your case, as you'd know Des was going to die.....but then I WIFOM myself and wonder if you tossed this out there for that exact reason.

Overall conclusion right now? You and Razen are the next 2 lynches.

Yates · July 19, 2013

could be a distancing vote

just sayin

*shrug* Let's see what the night has to say about it... :wink:

Yates · July 19, 2013

I can't decide whether the bolded helps your case, as you'd know Des was going to die...

Meh - I think you'd need to check my MS meta from when I was scum with a vig/sk claim out there. I claimed I wanted a "leashed SK" to shoot who the "Town" thought was scummiest.

Here's a link: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=4460426#p4460426

Essentially, I wanted to direct the extra kill. That's not an opportunity scum Yates would squander with none of you knowing this. Frankly, I'm surprised Cloud chose to shoot Des for just that reason as well as because of the suspicion I was starting to raise on him. Only reason to do it is if he thought there was a high likelihood Des would shoot scum.

Yates · July 19, 2013

To the above point...

So... Cloud-Nol scum team in T2?
That's how it's kinda lookin to me atm. Cloud/Nol in T2...

This also supports my theory of Nol-scum. Cloud would shoot Des if he thought Des was going to take out Nol-scum. If Nol was Town, I think he would have left Des alive to take the shot on Nol so they could take out a different Townie.

Verbal32 · July 19, 2013

I can't decide whether the bolded helps your case, as you'd know Des was going to die...
Meh - I think you'd need to check my MS meta from when I was scum with a vig/sk claim out there. I claimed I wanted a "leashed SK" to shoot who the "Town" thought was scummiest.

Here's a link: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=4460426#p4460426

Essentially, I wanted to direct the extra kill. That's not an opportunity scum Yates would squander with none of you knowing this. Frankly, I'm surprised Cloud chose to shoot Des for just that reason as well as because of the suspicion I was starting to raise on him. Only reason to do it is if he thought there was a high likelihood Des would shoot scum.

Everything you just said is irrelevant for 2 reasons:

1. There are MS people here that could substantiate meta from another site and therby lend unintended credence to your explanation

2. I play on JN. I do NOT play the same on JN that I play here. My meta is different as a result (mostly). You could easily do the same.

Yates · July 19, 2013

I do NOT play the same on JN that I play here. My meta is different as a result (mostly). You could easily do the same.

I *could* but it doesn't change the fact I would want that extra kill. It also doesn't change the fact I would want a potential SK to be the lynch target the following day. Again, the point you are missing is that scum killing Des potentially did us a favor. Scum aren't known for doing Town favors. So it had to be self-serving to some extent. I maintain that points to Nolder scum as Des and I were both confident in Cloud-Nolder as scum in this thread. Cloud scum wouldn't care if Des took a shot at Nolder Town and would likely let him live to take the shot.

Verbal32 · July 19, 2013

I do NOT play the same on JN that I play here. My meta is different as a result (mostly). You could easily do the same.

I *could* but it doesn't change the fact I would want that extra kill. It also doesn't change the fact I would want a potential SK to be the lynch target the following day. Again, the point you are missing is that scum killing Des potentially did us a favor. Scum aren't known for doing Town favors. So it had to be self-serving to some extent. I maintain that points to Nolder scum as Des and I were both confident in Cloud-Nolder as scum in this thread. Cloud scum wouldn't care if Des took a shot at Nolder Town and would likely let him live to take the shot.

I didn't miss the point. I understand the favor it could have done us. Des could also have gone off on a spree and killed the whole damn scum team, too. Who knows. But I would not really view this situation in as positive a light as you appear to be.

Yates · July 19, 2013

But I would not really view this situation in as positive a light as you appear to be.

I said nothing about this being a positive light. Scum got in an extra kill and I'm glad it removed some wifom. BUT, it is worth noting that they DID remove wifom and you are either scum or kidding yourself if you don't think that's significant.

hazelkrs1 · July 19, 2013

Well then. Go town!

:biggrin:

Verbal32 · July 19, 2013

I do NOT play the same on JN that I play here. My meta is different as a result (mostly). You could easily do the same.

I *could* but it doesn't change the fact I would want that extra kill. It also doesn't change the fact I would want a potential SK to be the lynch target the following day. Again, the point you are missing is that scum killing Des potentially did us a favor. Scum aren't known for doing Town favors. So it had to be self-serving to some extent. I maintain that points to Nolder scum as Des and I were both confident in Cloud-Nolder as scum in this thread. Cloud scum wouldn't care if Des took a shot at Nolder Town and would likely let him live to take the shot.

But I would not really view this situation in as positive a light as you appear to be.

I said nothing about this being a positive light. Scum got in an extra kill and I'm glad it removed some wifom. BUT, it is worth noting that they DID remove wifom and you are either scum or kidding yourself if you don't think that's significant.

So the "potentially did us a favor" is not spinning something into a positive light? No? A 'favor' appears to sound pretty damn positive to me.

It didn't really remove WIFOM - it just cleared up whether Des was SK or vig. You are waayyyy off in this thread. I'd suggest killing me now - I'll be leading your lynch tomorrow.

Yates · July 19, 2013

So the "potentially did us a favor" is not spinning something into a positive light? No? A 'favor' appears to sound pretty damn positive to me.

It didn't really remove WIFOM - it just cleared up whether Des was SK or vig. You are waayyyy off in this thread. I'd suggest killing me now - I'll be leading your lynch tomorrow.

Yeah. Take it out of context with the rest of the argument. Because that's not scummy AT ALL.

Clearing up if Des is an SK or Vig *IS* removing the WIFOM. Also, you know, lynch bait... Way to not address that at all.

Verbal32 · July 19, 2013

So the "potentially did us a favor" is not spinning something into a positive light? No? A 'favor' appears to sound pretty damn positive to me.

It didn't really remove WIFOM - it just cleared up whether Des was SK or vig. You are waayyyy off in this thread. I'd suggest killing me now - I'll be leading your lynch tomorrow.

Yeah. Take it out of context with the rest of the argument. Because that's not scummy AT ALL.

Clearing up if Des is an SK or Vig *IS* removing the WIFOM. Also, you know, lynch bait... Way to not address that at all.

Spinny spinning spin spinner. Not gonna work. I'm focused, baby.

WIFOM has nothing to do with Des' alignment there. He could kill each night - at the immediate moment, it was irrelevant if he was working for town or solo....he'd be scumhunting on thread like the rest of us.....as I already noted.

WIFOM

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

;-)

Verbal32 · July 19, 2013

Hurry up and get to day so I can lynch my new friend.

Nolder · July 19, 2013

GG Des

Would have been better if he shot Cloud last night and saved us a jailkeeper. I would have never questioned his Vig claim with a dead Cloud. I still don't understand why he didn't shoot his primary scum read from Day 1...

Yeah I dunno. Maybe he was banking on getting Cloud lynched anyway so he shot elsewhere?

I was mainly just being polite lol. If we wanna start baggin on Des though I'm down.

Des, prepare your tear ducts!

Nolder · July 19, 2013

Well that was a nice flip to wake up to.

Slightly lame you guys ended Day so quick but I don't really mind just disappointed I wasn't around.

Cool that we got mafia in exchange for vig too since vig can screw over our numbers.

Also good that he died now and we didn't waste a lynch on him for SK later.

GG Des

This sounds a bit fake. "Oh yay you guys lynched scum without me good job I wish I could have been around for it" often comes from scum in my experience.

I live in LA. I woke up ~8:30 in the morning. You really can't blame me for not being around for the lynch.

If that's gonna bug you then be prepared because several people live in Europe and usually only catch up during nighttime and early morning in the states.

Hallia · July 20, 2013

*nod* I know what you mean there. Finally home from work and catching up. All the fun happens while us PST people sleep!

serra · July 20, 2013

Well that was a nice flip to wake up to.

Slightly lame you guys ended Day so quick but I don't really mind just disappointed I wasn't around.

Cool that we got mafia in exchange for vig too since vig can screw over our numbers.

Also good that he died now and we didn't waste a lynch on him for SK later.

GG Des

This sounds a bit fake. "Oh yay you guys lynched scum without me good job I wish I could have been around for it" often comes from scum in my experience.

I live in LA. I woke up ~8:30 in the morning. You really can't blame me for not being around for the lynch.

If that's gonna bug you then be prepared because several people live in Europe and usually only catch up during nighttime and early morning in the states.

It's not the fact that you weren't around (hint: I live in Europe), but rather the way you caught up that didn't strike me as genuine.

Nolder · July 20, 2013

Eh, nothing I can do about that really. That's really a damned if you do damned if you don't kind of thing.

Don't comment and people wonder what you were avoiding. Comment and it comes off as forced. /shrug

I plan on doing a full reread later tonight or tomorrow and posting my thoughts on everyone in this game afterward so maybe you and others will have a better idea where I stand then.

Yates · July 20, 2013

Alright - this thread is kind of dead. FYI - Going to be L/A this weekend for birthday shens. Expect activity in spurts if/when it happens.

November 7th, 1606: Day 4 (CONCLUDED)

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