Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game 1 - Destiny Islands [Mafia Win!]

[Verbal32]

God that was a messy day

Sorry I missed it, day broke just as I left for work and was over when I woke up today

 

Yates, something that stood out was I think in the middle of all that symp crap you mentioned an option that the mafia recruit mish. I thought that was weird. Strange that you think they could have a recruit

 

I approve of the despo and Darthe bromance

 

GF. Yea tomorrow you will regret a bunch methinks

 

Verb hasn't been that helpful and I think it was Darthe that referenced the RE game as an almost defence of him. Explain that please?

 

I think krak is ok

He's referencing RE because I was the sole cult leader to start and tore up the game and won after being blatantly outed by my members getting recruited back to town, or simply not wanting to be cult (don't ask). He's saying if I was scum, I'd be destroying this game like I did that one.

 

I don't agree - we all have off games and we all have games where we hit the cover off the ball. That game was the latter for me. This one is shaping up to be the former, lol.

[Verbal32]

Also, Des:

 

This whymefryme thing is awful. I'm shocked people buy into that crap. Townies can defend and tunnel their own defense as much as scum...sometimes more so. Your entire theory on that is a null tell.

[Verbal32]

Also, @ GF: I'm on my phone, which isn't working for me right now. Please edit that post a few pages back where you dropped an f-bomb. >_<

[Niniel]

Verbal is next. 

[hazelkrs1]

Where's the facepalm emoticon?

 

 

Ah, listening to this:

I can just say this now, as if I had the right

 

Maybe he was randomly hinting that he was eating Meatloaf? OR - maybe - since the song goes "I would do anything for LOVE" - he's hinting at being a Lover? *shrug* It's a mystery.

 

 

Or maybe... just MAYBE... he was posting videos of cheesy music he was listening to at the time (he does this a lot). Or do you think that his earlier Pet Shop Boys video was a breadcrumb that he had a role that required him to have terrible hair?

 

 

Tbh once I saw Yates saying we should lynch Hallia or Tink I was starting to think Tink might be town. Didn't really have enough time for another lynch tho I don't think. Need more active voters.

Can you be more obvious on the backtracking? You sure all that emo with DPR wasn't forged?

 

I hope it was, because I've never seen a player whine as much as you. Talk about being unimpressed, lol.

 

 

I already apologized for my little outburst with DPR earlier in the game. Why do you feel the need to keep bringing it up even after the mod addressed it?

 

And you yourself admitted that you have played a pretty uninspiring game. And yet my remark apparently still stung... Why? If you're playing turrible, own up to it, instead of trying to lash out at others who notice you playing a weak game. I know when I'm off my game I'm at least man enough to admit it, as I have many times in the past. You're supposed to be the veteran here, remember? Remember throwing it in my face how "info" was a buzzword long before I started playing DM? If you're the veteran, act like it. Prove your towniness instead of continuously defend yourself with lame reasoning.

 

Hint: "Townies usually look more scummy" and "Townies can get defensive too" are examples of lame defense.

 

Also, Des:

 

This whymefryme thing is awful. I'm shocked people buy into that crap. Townies can defend and tunnel their own defense as much as scum...sometimes more so. Your entire theory on that is a null tell.

 

Lol "my" theory?

 

That theory isn't even close to mine. Whyme=Fryme existed long before I ever started playing forum mafia. And in fact, I used to be solidly in your camp. I considered it more of a nulltell than anything, since I do basically agree that both townies and mafia can get defensive.

 

The key however is judging in what manner they are being defensive. A VT might get defensive if they have an emotional playstyle, but will usually come to accept their personal loss in the light of the greater good. A town PR might get prickly at being fos'd or trained because they don't want to claim, but they usually just claim if they feel the heat is great enough, and a good town PR realizes that a little heat will actually help them avoid a NK.

 

Scum on the other hand, tend to scramble much more. In the midst of them figuring out a way to justify whatever questionable behavior they are being called out for, they forget to also show the appearance of scumhunting. This is how you can truly utilize the whyme fryme thing imo. Someone who puts their own self-preservation above the needs and goals of the town has to be lynched imo.

 

Cause here's the catch to the whole thing: It ISN'T a 100% effective tool in catching scum. It's actually a lot more effective than I used to think, but obviously not everyone you use it on is going to be scum. But guess what? It's not really that big a deal if it's getting rid of a townie. That's because you'll still be able to pull info from their death, and it still gets rid of any wifom associated with them, but most importantly you're losing someone that's not that great an asset to town.

 

A townie whose only focus is staying alive just isn't helping his team out that much. If they're not looking for scum, if they're either lurking or not contributing much to the game's discussion, if they're seemingly scanning the thread for mentions of themselves, then they are not helping their team in any way really.

 

So whyme=fryme isn't exactly my favorite tool, but it's surprisingly useful, and if you don't like it being used against you, DON'T FOCUS ON NO ONE BUT YOURSELF. Actually involve yourself in the discussion more. Try casing and fos'ing others. Get your reads out. Only YOU can prevent forest fires

yourself from being whymefryme'd.

[hazelkrs1]

Where's the facepalm emoticon?

 

 

Ah, listening to this:

I can just say this now, as if I had the right

 

Maybe he was randomly hinting that he was eating Meatloaf? OR - maybe - since the song goes "I would do anything for LOVE" - he's hinting at being a Lover? *shrug* It's a mystery.

 

 

Or maybe... just MAYBE... he was posting videos of cheesy music he was listening to at the time (he does this a lot). Or do you think that his earlier Pet Shop Boys video was a breadcrumb that he had a role that required him to have terrible hair?

 

 

Tbh once I saw Yates saying we should lynch Hallia or Tink I was starting to think Tink might be town. Didn't really have enough time for another lynch tho I don't think. Need more active voters.

Can you be more obvious on the backtracking? You sure all that emo with DPR wasn't forged?

 

I hope it was, because I've never seen a player whine as much as you. Talk about being unimpressed, lol.

 

 

I already apologized for my little outburst with DPR earlier in the game. Why do you feel the need to keep bringing it up even after the mod addressed it?

 

And you yourself admitted that you have played a pretty uninspiring game. And yet my remark apparently still stung... Why? If you're playing turrible, own up to it, instead of trying to lash out at others who notice you playing a weak game. I know when I'm off my game I'm at least man enough to admit it, as I have many times in the past. You're supposed to be the veteran here, remember? Remember throwing it in my face how "info" was a buzzword long before I started playing DM? If you're the veteran, act like it. Prove your towniness instead of continuously defend yourself with lame reasoning.

 

Hint: "Townies usually look more scummy" and "Townies can get defensive too" are examples of lame defense.

 

Also, Des:

 

This whymefryme thing is awful. I'm shocked people buy into that crap. Townies can defend and tunnel their own defense as much as scum...sometimes more so. Your entire theory on that is a null tell.

 

Lol "my" theory?

 

That theory isn't even close to mine. Whyme=Fryme existed long before I ever started playing forum mafia. And in fact, I used to be solidly in your camp. I considered it more of a nulltell than anything, since I do basically agree that both townies and mafia can get defensive.

 

The key however is judging in what manner they are being defensive. A VT might get defensive if they have an emotional playstyle, but will usually come to accept their personal loss in the light of the greater good. A town PR might get prickly at being fos'd or trained because they don't want to claim, but they usually just claim if they feel the heat is great enough, and a good town PR realizes that a little heat will actually help them avoid a NK.

 

Scum on the other hand, tend to scramble much more. In the midst of them figuring out a way to justify whatever questionable behavior they are being called out for, they forget to also show the appearance of scumhunting. This is how you can truly utilize the whyme fryme thing imo. Someone who puts their own self-preservation above the needs and goals of the town has to be lynched imo.

 

Cause here's the catch to the whole thing: It ISN'T a 100% effective tool in catching scum. It's actually a lot more effective than I used to think, but obviously not everyone you use it on is going to be scum. But guess what? It's not really that big a deal if it's getting rid of a townie. That's because you'll still be able to pull info from their death, and it still gets rid of any wifom associated with them, but most importantly you're losing someone that's not that great an asset to town.

 

A townie whose only focus is staying alive just isn't helping his team out that much. If they're not looking for scum, if they're either lurking or not contributing much to the game's discussion, if they're seemingly scanning the thread for mentions of themselves, then they are not helping their team in any way really.

 

So whyme=fryme isn't exactly my favorite tool, but it's surprisingly useful, and if you don't like it being used against you, DON'T FOCUS ON NO ONE BUT YOURSELF. Actually involve yourself in the discussion more. Try casing and fos'ing others. Get your reads out. Only YOU can prevent forest fires

yourself from being whymefryme'd.

[hazelkrs1]

Where's the facepalm emoticon?

 

 

 

Ah, listening to this:

I can just say this now, as if I had the right

 

Maybe he was randomly hinting that he was eating Meatloaf? OR - maybe - since the song goes "I would do anything for LOVE" - he's hinting at being a Lover? *shrug* It's a mystery.

 

 

Or maybe... just MAYBE... he was posting videos of cheesy music he was listening to at the time (he does this a lot). Or do you think that his earlier Pet Shop Boys video was a breadcrumb that he had a role that required him to have terrible hair?

 

 

Tbh once I saw Yates saying we should lynch Hallia or Tink I was starting to think Tink might be town. Didn't really have enough time for another lynch tho I don't think. Need more active voters.

Can you be more obvious on the backtracking? You sure all that emo with DPR wasn't forged?

 

I hope it was, because I've never seen a player whine as much as you. Talk about being unimpressed, lol.

 

 

I already apologized for my little outburst with DPR earlier in the game. Why do you feel the need to keep bringing it up even after the mod addressed it?

 

And you yourself admitted that you have played a pretty uninspiring game. And yet my remark apparently still stung... Why? If you're playing turrible, own up to it, instead of trying to lash out at others who notice you playing a weak game. I know when I'm off my game I'm at least man enough to admit it, as I have many times in the past. You're supposed to be the veteran here, remember? Remember throwing it in my face how "info" was a buzzword long before I started playing DM? If you're the veteran, act like it. Prove your towniness instead of continuously defend yourself with lame reasoning.

 

Hint: "Townies usually look more scummy" and "Townies can get defensive too" are examples of lame defense.

 

Also, Des:

 

This whymefryme thing is awful. I'm shocked people buy into that crap. Townies can defend and tunnel their own defense as much as scum...sometimes more so. Your entire theory on that is a null tell.

 

Lol "my" theory?

 

That theory isn't even close to mine. Whyme=Fryme existed long before I ever started playing forum mafia. And in fact, I used to be solidly in your camp. I considered it more of a nulltell than anything, since I do basically agree that both townies and mafia can get defensive.

 

The key however is judging in what manner they are being defensive. A VT might get defensive if they have an emotional playstyle, but will usually come to accept their personal loss in the light of the greater good. A town PR might get prickly at being fos'd or trained because they don't want to claim, but they usually just claim if they feel the heat is great enough, and a good town PR realizes that a little heat will actually help them avoid a NK.

 

Scum on the other hand, tend to scramble much more. In the midst of them figuring out a way to justify whatever questionable behavior they are being called out for, they forget to also show the appearance of scumhunting. This is how you can truly utilize the whyme fryme thing imo. Someone who puts their own self-preservation above the needs and goals of the town has to be lynched imo.

 

Cause here's the catch to the whole thing: It ISN'T a 100% effective tool in catching scum. It's actually a lot more effective than I used to think, but obviously not everyone you use it on is going to be scum. But guess what? It's not really that big a deal if it's getting rid of a townie. That's because you'll still be able to pull info from their death, and it still gets rid of any wifom associated with them, but most importantly you're losing someone that's not that great an asset to town.

 

A townie whose only focus is staying alive just isn't helping his team out that much. If they're not looking for scum, if they're either lurking or not contributing much to the game's discussion, if they're seemingly scanning the thread for mentions of themselves, then they are not helping their team in any way really.

 

So whyme=fryme isn't exactly my favorite tool, but it's surprisingly useful, and if you don't like it being used against you, DON'T FOCUS ON NO ONE BUT YOURSELF. Actually involve yourself in the discussion more. Try casing and fos'ing others. Get your reads out. Only YOU can prevent forest fires

yourself from being whymefryme'd.

[hazelkrs1]

Sorry for the double post. DM still being stoopid.
 

 

@Yates:First things first. Do NOT misrepresent what I say in my cases, especially those against you. I NEVER said you knew Mish was a symp when I said you might have done that thing with her to derail DPR's lynch.

That wasn't a misrep. That was a response to you both.

 

Last time I looked, me and Tina weren't connected at the hip. We're two diff people, and in fact we were both making diff points. She was saying you could have guessed Mish was a symp and wanted to lead a lynch on her to gain town cred.

I was saying you probably wouldn't have known she was a symp and lead a lynch on someone you thought was a townie in order to derail the lynch on DPR.

And don't act like either idea is that bizarre btw. They're both completely plausible.
 

 

My thesis was that you probably thought she was town when you faked the viewing. Mysh flipping symp instead of regular mafia means my point still stands: You could have been pushing a lynch of someone you didn't think was on your team to save another teammate's skin.

Your thesis needs a revision. I started the wagon on her because I thought she was scum when she claimed miller - as evidenced by the fact I stated my confirmation she was scum when she claimed miller.

 

Lol that isn't evidence for that! It would have been beyond ridiculous for you to hear her Miller claim after faking a viewing and then accepting that she was a Miller after all. I would have led the speedlynch on you myself.

Fact is you could have faked that viewing as a townie to help catch scum, or you could have faked that viewing as scum trying to save a teammate. We don't know which of those is true, and won't know till we get a coroner report on you.
 

 

A lot of your response to my case is taking stuff out of it's context to try and make it look weaker. For instance, you make it seem like my point about you pushing the "let's vet DPR instead" angle is disproven by DPR not flipping GF.

That's because it was.

 

You sir, are ridiculous. You freaking did it again! STOP DISMEMBERING MY ARGUMENTS WHEN THEY ARE CONNECTED! You should have just included your response to this and the next part together. Because then it becomes OBVIOUS that DPR not flipping GF does NOT disprove my point!:
 

 

Then in a separate point you address the Bus Driver supposition, and not very well I might add. How could a Bus Driver not make sense in the situation I'm describing? You get everyone to agree to try and vet DPR first. You Bus Drive him and another townie. Cop views DPR, gets a town reading. Simple. Furthermore, even if there wasn't any kind of redirect ability on the mafia team, you could have still been arguing to try and vet DPR just to stall his lynch. Another day alive means one less day a scummie could have been lynched. The more scum lynches the town misses on, the better for the scum team.

Ok. That's a fair point and one I didn't think of. I suppose that would be a plausable play and something I'd likely try. Though, and I think you and Darthe should both know this, that's a high risk low reward play. Frankly, after getting run up to L-1 and getting to no lynch, I *would* be surprised if DPR wasn't investigated N1 as confirmation of his alignment. So scum Yates pushing to verify an already verified scum doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And frankly, I pushed that angle [which you guys accused me of rolefishing for] knowing he was probably already vetted.

 

You see? You end up basically acceding to my point here. Friggin jerk.
 

By the way - you didn't answer any of my questions.

What questions?
 

Also by the way - when does a cop roleclaim? THIS needs to be answered.

Exactly when they choose to, and no one should pressure them to do so before they feel ready.

Everyone has different playstyles, and diff opinions on how to play certain roles. It's one of the beautiful things about mafia.

Some like to claim as cop the instant they get a guilty result. Some like to let it ride a little longer to hopefully uncover more teammates. Some claim even before a guilty reading- if they feel it necessary to protect someone they have an innocent viewing on who's getting trained on.

If you're asking how I personally play as cop, I try to save my reveal for as long as possible. I'm a very vocal player, so I can use a guilty reading and just instead act like I found scum by traditional scumhunting methods. If I'm met with a lot of resistance, I'll usually claim then since the mafia team will have figured out that I could be the Cop. If I succeed in getting the scum lynched, I get out both my "reads" and my viewings as quickly as I can so even if I am NK'ed they'll be out there. I will pretty much never reveal to save a townie's skin, knowing that viewings aren't always 100% accurate, and it aint worth it to potentially die just because I got an innocent viewing on someone.
 

 

I'd also like to point out a contradiction in your response. You say we made the wrong play on DPR period, that we were playing a gamble and got lucky. Yet when addressing my point about Mish potentially flipping town instead, you act like you did the right thing and there was no question.

What's the difference between a Miller claim and a Beloved Princess claim? Here's a hint...

Hey Tiink. You wanna claim?

Try for Lyncher, Miller, BP, VT, or the like. Those may help.

 

Uhm, huh? Darthe listed BP in his roles there, so not sure what you're getting at.

 

 

If you are a Miller, then the stunt you pulled with Mish WOULD have been a huge gamble, that could have blown up in your face. You had much less reason to suspect Mish as we had to suspect DPR, yet you act like you made the brilliant play while we were all lucky morons. Don't be so high and mighty man.

Ha! Funny joke. How would a miller flip "blow up in my face?" And how does that stack up versus two days of night?? At this point you are tunneling logic be damned.

 

I'm not saying if she had flipped Miller, if she had flipped town of any kind (this would be assuming she didn't throw out the miller claim obviously, since a townie pretty much wouldn't do that...). If she had been town, and you never revealed your viewing to be fake until after she had died, you'd be the next lynch. If you claimed Miller before that, it still wouldn't help you. Town would have zero trust in you at that point. So if you really ARE the miller, and Mish had flipped town (you yourself said you had no solid scum read on her until she claimed miller, you faked the viewing because you felt the DPR train was "lazy"), you could have potentially cost the town two days anyways! Two mislynches in a row plus both night's NK's = worse than one mislynch and two NK's.

So yeah, your "play" as a Miller would actually be riskier than us lynching DPR, who many of us had a solid read on.
 

 

Most of the rest of your response is pretty bad, for using silly stuff like smilies to try and support your defense.

Handwave. Example?

 

Your point about Mish not committing hari kari because of getting railroaded by a teammate.... that she used a big grin smiley??? Awful reasoning there. Mish uses smilies sometimes. She might have gotten herself modkilled out of frustration or in the heat of the moment, then felt bad afterwards and didn't want her mafia team to be mad at her.
 

 

But I would also like to note that, like some of the other people have found scummy this game, your overblown responses clearly make you appear to be scrambling to me. The whyme fryme could easily apply to you too.

Oh you're right. Only scum defend themselves when they KNOW where the mob is headed. My bad.

 

Sarcasm detected. Dispatching sarcastic invisible tissue.

But yeah, see my response to Verbal about the whymefryme thing above. I never said only scum defend themselves, but come on man. Look at how DPR went down in a funnel of flames. He died defending himself with every outrageous appeal to emotion and logic he could find in the book. Two other people have also responded to cases on them with wild outbursts: You and Verb.

Boom.
 

 

And you're pushing dumb angles for who could be scum still. Hallia is derptown. Period. You're continuing to push that lynch just looks like you trying to find an easy target.

Prove it. She can't seem to. Though I'm sure her hammering Town will make me feel much warmer and fuzzier inside. Just because DPR was scum doesn't mean Hallia isn't. You and Darthe both need to let that sink in.

 

Lol you ask me to prove a town read on another player? :laugh:

I never said that Hallia is town because she was a countertrain to DPR's train. I just felt the case on her was very weak, and considering that DPR DID flip mafia, to me that seems like mafia could have been pushing what looked to them like an easier train on a townie. She's also pretty much within her town meta at this point. She actually plays much more reckless as town. She hides more as mafia. Yes, you could say her not casing much is hiding, but for her asking her for cases is basically asking too much. She usually just goes with the flow.

And look, of course I could be wrong on her. But let's put it this way: If Hallia is one of, or the last mafia remaining, she aint helping her team win. Sorry to be harsh like that, but she has a habit of outing herself in one way or another eventually if she's scum.

Either way, there's no way you'll be able to convince me that the case on Hallia is any better than the other top scummy lookin peeps in the game. Namely you, Verb, and Krak.

[Graendals favourite]

o bloody hell

[Graendals favourite]

no permanent damage as far as I can acertain

[Graendals favourite]

mm, sorry if there was any offense!

[Darthe]

None to my eyes!  I joined you about four hours later and have been up since.  

 

Nice going btw.

 

Tina's Krak case swayed me.. I wouldn't mind voting him come morning.

[Niniel]

Did I have a Krak case? You mean Des?

[Darthe]

I've been up thirty hours ).) I thought you did it but it could have been Des.

 

In any case, the case on Krak was really good and that no other candidates have been suggested as mafia says to me that the mafia is fine with our lynch candidates.

[Niniel]

Well, no one joined me on Verbal yesterday. 

[Darthe]

Perhaps this is just me, but I feel that if you have a 24 hour day then night should only be 12-18 hours... 

 

In any case:

 

1. Peacesells - Villager - Powerless - Killed N2

2. Bgrishinko

3. Despothera

4. Wombat - Sora's Mother - Powerless - Killed N1

5. Cloud

6. Misheru - Riku - Mafia Symp - Modkilled D2

7. Wolfbrotherkronos

8. Yates

9. Verbal

10. Tiinker - Villager - Powerless - Lynched D3

11. Krakalakachkn

12. Dapianoplay3r

13. Hallia

14. Darthe

15. TinaHel

16. DreadPirateRoberts - Darkside - Mafia Goon - Lynched D2

17. Graendals favourite

 

1 in 4 doesn't help us all that much, but I figure we have to have an anti-town in the black and likely one in the green as well.  I strongly doubt that Tina is mafia (looks more uninterested town from early game) and I am more on the fence about Yates and Verb than I am about Krak.  

 

It would be helpful if everyone had posted a reads list as I asked :glare:

[Darthe]

Well, no one joined me on Verbal yesterday. 

 

I may today whenever it comes.  Or I may go Krak.  It will likely be one of the two, DPR was my best lead this game.  

[Niniel]

What are your thoughts about Cloud?

 

 

Why am I talking to you? You should be in bed!

[Darthe]

I see cloud as slight town.  He hasn't done much of note this game but his efforts on the initial DPR train almost got DPR killed when he was definitely safe otherwise and that has stuck with me.

[Darthe]

@Yates, I think GF claimed Vig.

[Graendals favourite]

oh, thanks darthe

[Darthe]

Didn't you?

[Darthe]

I begin to wonder if this game has any roles at all... It could be decently balanced with three goin and a symp, then no roles but 13 town.

[Darthe]

@Yates, when I am a cop I usually claim around D4 or so to at least give the town some info because otherwise.. Cops die with nothing gained or town gets boned.

 

4 chances means that on average the cop finds a mafia member, yet they likely haven't been NKd yet.

[Verbal32]

@Yates, when I am a cop I usually claim around D4 or so to at least give the town some info because otherwise.. Cops die with nothing gained or town gets boned.

 

4 chances means that on average the cop finds a mafia member, yet they likely haven't been NKd yet.

I'll do that as well if I have no guiltys and it would help narrow the lynch pool significantly.