Underworld Mafia [Basic] - Game Over. TOWN WINS!

[Ithillian Turambar]

I've not answered for Mish.

 

I asked her a question. Why do you think I answered for her?

 

You really don't want people to start thinking you are an SK, do you?

 

Besides I already answered that - you are not stupid. You holster N1 - get killing. If the mafia are dead you get to keep killing and passing that kill off as theirs.

 

And then say you only had one shot.

 

But of course - you have information I don't have

 

And I can only play my own game - everyone else needs to be responsible for their own actions and consequences, yes?

[Ithillian Turambar]

@ Peace. Could you explain your comment to BG about OmgUS votes?

I had a quick flick back to when you decided to kill BG and one of your reasons was that he said you had OMGUS'd him?

 

You said that Mafia never does that?

 

Can you explain please? Because I've never heard of an OMGUS being used in a positive way. It's always an accusation. You are only voting for me because I voted for you.

 

So how does someone saying you are OMGUSing them confirm you as Town?

[peacesells]

Your first sentence was answering for her.  So take responsibility instead of accusing others of making false accusations. 

 

 

 

Oh..and bout the holster thing.  That's horrible reasoning on your part.  It's like me saying you are clever enough to get into a kivam's gambit spat with Cloud in order to vet you.

 

It's horrible cause there is no answer for it.  It's also manipulative.  It completely overlooks any evidence provided in the game.  May as well just vote anyone randomly cause they could be pulling a trick on us.  Bad bad bad.

 

And, of course I don't want anyone thinking I'm an SK...cause I'm not.  What else would I want.  If I were and SK...I'd want the same thing.  So what does that mean?  it's a null tell.

[peacesells]

@ Peace. Could you explain your comment to BG about OmgUS votes?

I had a quick flick back to when you decided to kill BG and one of your reasons was that he said you had OMGUS'd him?

 

You said that Mafia never does that?

 

Can you explain please? Because I've never heard of an OMGUS being used in a positive way. It's always an accusation. You are only voting for me because I voted for you.

 

So how does someone saying you are OMGUSing them confirm you as Town?

 

 

I never said that.   I said that OMGUS is not a definitive scumtell.  Town OMGUS's quite often.  Turin said that scum do it.  Not me. 

[peacesells]

BG has logic fail. If he says its an omgus kill that means he thinks I'm town. Scum dont do omgus.

 

BG knows my alignment. BG is scum.

[peacesells]

Didn't say never.  Just said they don't. 

[peacesells]

@ Peace. Could you explain your comment to BG about OmgUS votes?

I had a quick flick back to when you decided to kill BG and one of your reasons was that he said you had OMGUS'd him?

 

You said that Mafia never does that?

 

Can you explain please? Because I've never heard of an OMGUS being used in a positive way. It's always an accusation. You are only voting for me because I voted for you.

 

So how does someone saying you are OMGUSing them confirm you as Town?

 

 

And where did I imply that?  I was stating that if I were OMGUS'ing it wouldn't mean i was scum.  I never stated it made me town.  His logic was faulty. 

[peacesells]

And Ithi..you still refuse to acknowledge my uninformed town statement and continue to make accusations to redirect.  Why is that?

[Ithillian Turambar]

You said they DON'T do it.

 

A definitive statement.

 

Now you say that you meant they don't often do it. You say that all you said was it is not a definite scum tell?

 

But it can be a scum tell? Sometimes?

 

Or they don't do it?

 

Which one is it - becaue your reasoning on turin and pushing for him seems to lie heavy on that he said that Mafia do use the OMGUS.

 

And now you seem to be angry with me because I am doubting your Role? But I am not privy to the information you have. To you it is obvious what you are. To me it is not.

 

And going back on statements you made and saying they were actually something else really isn't helping.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'm uninformed Town. I don't know what you are.

 

How come is ok for you to say that and not me?

 

I think you are a serial killer.

 

Are you accusing me of something? Perhaps you wish you had shot me now?

[Turin Turambar]

I see I came back just in time for the action, lol. Nice. AJ; since it's not game over, we have one more mafia to catch.

 

I don't think I've ever been in a game with this many scummy options, even after 3 mafia dead. Vam/Berf is looking a bit better in my eyes now, but I'm still gonna withhold judgement there. Dap, Hallia, Chuckles and Panch are all good candidates in my eyes.

Ithi already mentioned this but it could very easily be that the mafia are dead and there is a third party left.

 

You have no thoughts on Turin and how he was so sure that Ithi was telling the truth?

Which Peace doesn't comment on. He is content to let the assumption of more mafia continue. But he does ask about Mish's thoughts on my surety regarding Cloud being the LLL. interesting...

 

And, one more thing...if I am an SK, why holster night 1?

Again Ithi mentioned her reasoning which makes more sense than anything. Many SK's will holster early to set up their vig claim for later in the game.

 

 

Just because he didn't sit on the fence like you did @ Peace.

 

I never sit on the fence if I can help it. I was sure Cloud was Mafia even before he claimed my character. I don't remember you saying my certainty meant that I was Mafia.

 

It was quite obvious that Cloud was lying. If he was Town - he would have had the character that made more sense as a Doc. He also was instantly counter claimed by me.

 

If I were Mafia - I would not have counter claimed. I would have just unvoted and then perhaps plotted to kill him at Night - or leave him forced to only self protect for the Game. There was no need to potentially damn myself.

 

So logically he had to be Mafia.

 

 

Plus - it was quite clear he was gonna have a go at claiming Doc and lo and behold he did.

 

I was actually glad that at least one person stepped up and tried to at least look at what was happening logically. I feel the need to at least return the favour

 

But tomorrow will be Day 3 and I will do a proper case on him if possible. Of course if he is Mafia he may kill me to prove that he isn't mafia. Because he would never kill me, right? But maybe then if he is not Mafia - the mafia will kill me to make you think he killed me.

 

Or they will keep me alive to make you think he is Mafia again lol.

 

I would say over and above anyone else in this game you should view him and see what the hell he is - because he is so bloody tricksy he could very well be hiding that he is buddying inside all the buddying lol

 

First bold.  This reasoning is unrealistic considering you had the advantage of knowing your character.   Your certainty was based on knowledge you had that I didn't. 

 

Second bold.  What you would do as mafia isn't what everyone would do.  I discussed this when considering which of the two of you I'd vote.  A scum team may feel taking out a doctor is worth one of them.  And in certain circumstances..including the last game I was scum it would be.  Wish we had done that.  

 

Your game is all about you and your perspective.  You refuse to see what an uniformed player may see.   You won't even acknowledge the point that someone who is town and is not privy to information can see things differently from you who had the information. 

 

And lastly..WTF are you answering for Mish?  Don't you think that her answers could be clues as to if she is town or scum?  Regardles of your viewpoint on the manner.

 

There are three boldings. One response is missing apparently.

[Ithillian Turambar]

But of course - you have information I don't have

 

And I can only play my own game - everyone else needs to be responsible for their own actions and consequences, yes?

See - I did address that point before.

 

What are you hoping to achieve by challenging me like this?

[dicetosser1]

Bah!

 

flys away to join William

[Ithillian Turambar]

Also @ Turin.

 

A truly delightful post.

 

Someone needs to check him. Then I can stop looking over my shoulder. I'm only using the Peace vs Turin thing to question Peace's logic, lovely - don't think I won't be checking you out later

[peacesells]

I'm uninformed Town. I don't know what you are.

 

How come is ok for you to say that and not me?

 

I think you are a serial killer.

 

Are you accusing me of something? Perhaps you wish you had shot me now?

 

My point was that you were using your informed information to question why I the uninformed wasn't sure about your and Cloud.  You expressed much exasperation that a couple of players didn't just hop onboard with what you were stating.  I wasn't sure who to believe and wanted to think it through.

 

I'm not trying to paint you as scum.  I'm trying to make you understand the difference.  All you do is accuse instead of acknowledging the facts.  And, your tunnel is hurting town.   Every time I mention Turin you get out of hand.  Why is that?

[Turin Turambar]

Didn't say never.  Just said they don't. 

in this sentence the implied word after don't is EVER.  

 

Don't ever = Never

 

so tho technically you did not say never you used a phrase that say the exact same thing. everything else you have put forth on the subject since is backtracking.

[peacesells]

 

But of course - you have information I don't have

 

And I can only play my own game - everyone else needs to be responsible for their own actions and consequences, yes?

See - I did address that point before.

 

What are you hoping to achieve by challenging me like this?

 

 

I'd like you to let someone else answer a question I pose to them and just be quiet if I happen to mention Turin.  Pretty simple. 

[peacesells]

 

Didn't say never.  Just said they don't. 

in this sentence the implied word after don't is EVER.  

 

Don't ever = Never

 

so tho technically you did not say never you used a phrase that say the exact same thing. everything else you have put forth on the subject since is backtracking.

 

"Don't ever" was not said. 

 

And there are no absolutes. 

[peacesells]

So Mish..you have any real thoughts on Turin at this point?

[Turin Turambar]

Also @ Turin.

 

A truly delightful post.

 

Someone needs to check him. Then I can stop looking over my shoulder. I'm only using the Peace vs Turin thing to question Peace's logic, lovely - don't think I won't be checking you out later

Ooh. check me out!! *preens*  

[Ithillian Turambar]

I don't think I'm going to let you tell me to shut up @ peace.

 

And I said I would give my thoughts on Turin when it got to D3 and previous people had mentioned it - like Despo with the killing thing.

 

So - if I want to give my thoughts on Turin I will. If you want to ask other people go ahead - but this was something I planned earlier on in the game. I generally keep a close eye on what he does lol.

 

Don't stop anyone else from giving their two penneth though, eh?

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

Didn't say never.  Just said they don't. 

in this sentence the implied word after don't is EVER.  

 

Don't ever = Never

 

so tho technically you did not say never you used a phrase that say the exact same thing. everything else you have put forth on the subject since is backtracking.

 

"Don't ever" was not said. 

 

And there are no absolutes. 

 

So how does that sentence end? Don't leaves it as ambiguous.  what don't they do ? flamenco? eat their veggies?

 

The they is a ref to mafia. what don't mafia do? OMGUS based upon your earlier statement. you didn't say rarely or sometimes or  anything like that.  Don't is an absolute. So...

 

 you are the one that made the absolute statement. And imo it is not even correct or truthful. As I think most would agree that mafia will OMGUS and further that OMGUSing has a very negative impact on people's opinion of the person performing said OMGUS.

 

 

And stop telling Ithi what to do. Everyone is allowed to post as they see fit. Just because you don't like what is said don't try to silence anyone.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I think I shall resolve this situation by going and playing Civ IV online instead.

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Before:

 

I love the way Ithi plays.

And now:

 

 

 

I'm uninformed Town. I don't know what you are.

 

How come is ok for you to say that and not me?

 

I think you are a serial killer.

 

Are you accusing me of something? Perhaps you wish you had shot me now?

My point was that you were using your informed information to question why I the uninformed wasn't sure about your and Cloud. You expressed much exasperation that a couple of players didn't just hop onboard with what you were stating. I wasn't sure who to believe and wanted to think it through.

 

I'm not trying to paint you as scum. I'm trying to make you understand the difference. All you do is accuse instead of acknowledging the facts. And, your tunnel is hurting town. Every time I mention Turin you get out of hand. Why is that?

Peace don't love how I play anymore. I wonder why?

 

*goes off to discover The Alphabet*

[Turin Turambar]

I think I shall resolve this situation by going and playing Civ IV online instead.

 

Capital Idea.