Underworld Mafia [Basic] - Game Over. TOWN WINS!

[Turin Turambar]

Hi Ithi

 

Nearly time for bed for me. Need to go do staff work first tho. Someone convinced me to try out Civ4 and it ate up more time than expected.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Woo hoo!

 

Now we can go multiplayer

 

Also - I'm almost confirmed Town myself so can buddy up to anyone I like. You've got till D3 before I start looking at you seriously lol

[Turin Turambar]

Okay staff duties all done. Off to bed for me now. I finally cool enough to sleep.

 

Goodnight all.  Especially Ithi

[Andrej]

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quote 389 AJ

 

 

 

 

I don't understand. In this post I am clearly saying that I don't have a scum read on Vam. How did you mix that up into thinking I had called you mafia?

 

AJ has also been pretty much going along with whatever Peace wants. And was really sure he was Town. And Peace picked his target with no quibbles.

 

AJ very certain Dice was Mafia and BG mafia and now is certain Turin Mafia.

 

Him very certain a lot.

 

That concerns me.

 

Voice your concerns then. Do you think I am suddenly mafia? Obviously, nothing is certain. I am just playing with confidence and going with my gut and personal interpretation of the game.

 

AJ you seem to be very concerned about me and Ithi. Why are you so unconcerned about the way Peace is buddying to you? He basically  let you choose his vig target on what boiled down to a hunch. How would you have felt if BG had been the cop and not mafia?

 

The cavalier way that shot went down does not seem town to me.

 

Peace chose his own target, I supported and agreed. Obviously if BG had flipped cop I would have been upset and likely would be up for lynch today based on the way everything went. I understand your suspicions of Peace but I am allowed to disagree. Does that make me guilty because I don't feel the same way as you on the matter?

 

Also Turin did not ride my coat tails. He was helping me to not get Lynched and proving that the logic was off for Cloud to be Town Doc.

 

That you over simplify it into buddying and costing through is very annoying.

 

Just ignore the fact that he's mentioning me and actually look at what he is saying.

 

I have looked at it. His casing on Peace made sense given the context but with Cloud's flip disproved it to me. I simply don't believe that Mafia would be so obvious as to openly defend each other like that. The fact that Cloud never tried to call down Peace for it is a major factor in my thought process. Yes he helped prove that the logic of Cloud being the Doc was flawed. I did as well with my VT reveal as Michael. By that time, it would have been counter-productive for him to look anywhere else if he were on the scum team. Cloud had to go.

 

AJ, did you read where I voted Peace. I had stated that I was all set to vote Cloud (which was before the reveals) but Peace's blatant and repeated refusal to vote cloud had me looking at him. It was apparent to me that when Cloud claimed Doc and also Eve which was nearly immediately cc'ed by Ithi that Cloud was the one lying. Therefore he was the one to vote. I did notice and remark that Peace refused to vote him at that point. It is the anti town that are the most afraid of looking bad so they tend to play "by the book" so they can fall back on that and use it as a form of plausible deniability. Dap did it and stood his ground. Peace did it and was wishy washy IMO.

 

I also agree with Ithi that a SK will kill whomever they think will help them get to the end of the game. Cause THAT is their goal, not to help the town win. He got very lucky in his choice of BG in my opinion. That you and he were both so certain to risk the shot just to take heat off of him although there was no way he could use that to actually show he was town feels off to me.

 

Yes I will generally agree with Ithi. She is right way more than she is wrong. Also, for whatever reason she is Vanilla Town more than just about anyone I can recall.

 

I think it is way more likely that peace is a SK than he is a vig. Lucian really was out for his own goals not that of the coven.

 

Yes I read it. I think I have been actively involved all of this game so you asking me if I did is silly. Your case made sense, I understand where you got your suspicion at the time. However, a lot of what you are saying about him trying to appear cautious for town cred with the Cloud lynch is completely against what you are saying about his risky behavior in taking a shot at BG. So which is it? Why come out and reveal if he were the SK? He could've quietly submitted his Kill and see how the cards turned up. He could've killed Ithi right away, who is essentially vetted. Explain to me what you mean by taking the heat off him. If he is the SK he is Solo-win. Your comment makes me think that you are alluding to us being teammates. When was it mentioned that by taking the shot would take the heat off him? If anything, the scrutiny has intensified despite another mafioso going down.

[hazelkrs1]

I still don't know why anyone would want to highlight the fact that they are basically confirmed town - its like painting a huge bullseye on your back. Ithi your play this game has confused me greatly. I completely believe you to be town, but you DO seem to be much more emotional in general this game.

 

Turin, for you or Ithi to argue that what you do isn't buddying to her is just ridiculous. Maybe it happens in every game, but regardless you def buddy to her. Tbh, the day you don't buddy to her we should prob meta-policylynch you.

 

@Aj: No, I def don't think you're mafia anymore. Just don't see a mafioso cheering their own teammates death on after losing one day 1.

 

You did twist my words however. I'll go grab the quote in a sec.

 

As for Peace

[hazelkrs1]

Who do you think we should lynch today BG?

 

What do you think of Despo deciding the players without many posts are ignorable?

[hazelkrs1]

Test

[Ithillian Turambar]

Well yes he buddys me outragiously. So it means nothing really.

 

My play has not been all that emotional - apart from the 1am posts maybe.

 

And the wine sipping perhaps.

 

But AJ says Turin buddying is mafia - but allows Peace to buddy up to him fine.

 

He also doesn't seem to even consider that Peace could still be a serial killer.

 

I don't think AJ is Mafia - but a lot of what he is using for evidence against turin is the same as what peace has been doing - apart from I don't remember turin saying he's a killer anywhere.

 

And it annoys me when newer people jump in with the ithi/turin thing. Of course it's not their fault. They don't know us. But still - it's kind of obvious yes?

[Ithillian Turambar]

Test

Success?

[hazelkrs1]

Hmm that was strange. OK phone was messed up for a sec.

 

Eh I was gonna grab the other quote but Meh, its on the next page. You once again say I think "non important" players should be ignored. I never said that.

 

Anyways, as for Peace, he could still easily be a SK. But if he is, he's already outed, he has no chance of winning as a SK, depending on how RTE set up his win condition of course. As of now, mafia could look at him as a threat and could NK him anyways.

 

Point is, BG flipping mafia pretty much confirms he's not on the mafia team. Since he's outed as either the vig or SK, he doesn't represent as much if a threat. He could even kill the remaining scum(mies) for us possibly. Mafia represents the bigger threat here, we should try and lynch them. Dap seems like the best pick atm.

 

Also watching our lurkers (Dice, Hallia, others that I can't even remember atm lol), Mish, and Turin.

[hazelkrs1]

@Ithi: the point is you can't exactly say it isn't buddying. I agree that Turin buddying to you =/= him being mafia.

 

But something you should prob understand is that AJ being a little hypocritical doesn't necessarily mean he's scum either. Plus, Turin's buddying to you is much more blatant that what Peace might be doing to Aj. Besides, Aj advocating BG's death really should convince you that at the very least he isn't mafia.

 

That's the kind of thing I mean when I say your play has been very emotional. You've seemingly let it cloud your judgment at times. Your fos of at Aj recently just seemed like straight paranoia.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I've never said he is mafia. How bizarre.

 

I've said him almost confirmed Town and peace is 3rd party serial killer.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I said it concerned me, that he is happy with Peace buddying up.

 

I never said I thought he was mafia.

 

Town jumping along with a SK is concerning to me - at end game he is likely to choose Peace and then we lose.

 

But - I don't think Peace will last till then.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Well of course it is buddying. But is it buddying cos we is bestest buddies, or because I'm mafia or because he's mafia or just because it's a beautiful day.

 

Like you say - the day he doesn't buddy me everyone and his dog is going to call him out on it.

 

Anyways - is a monkey day today so will be sporadic.

 

I'm sticking with Peace being a serial killer. He fired that shot off with very little thought and was lucky he hit a Mafia.

 

He revealed so that he could claim Vig and also didn't kill me or AJ for that reason.

 

Peace may be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them. The best way for a SK to survive and win is to seem like an heroic Town vig.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Official Vote Count

 

 

Peace ( 4/6): Ithi, Chuckles, Turin, Dice

 

Dap (2/6): Peace, Despo

 

 

Not voting:  Andrej, Mish, Hallia, Vam, Panchi, Dap

 

 

Deadline. (10:35 BST Monday, July 8th)

[hazelkrs1]

I never said you said Aj was mafia.

 

But this post -

 

AJ has also been pretty much going along with whatever Peace wants. And was really sure he was Town. And Peace picked his target with no quibbles.

 

AJ very certain Dice was Mafia and BG mafia and now is certain Turin Mafia.

 

Him very certain a lot.

 

That concerns me.

- Looks a lot like a fos'y type post to me.

 

If you think he's town there really shouldn't be much concern here. You think he'd display poor judgement in alylo situation? How could you know how he'd react in a situation like that? I personally don't think Peace has buddies up to Aj that much. I think he killed BG because HE wanted to, not because someone else agreed with the kill.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'm concerned because he is bouncing about with his certainties - and I also think he's getting played by a non Town.

 

Maybe is cos I'm so certain peace isn't Town.

[hazelkrs1]

If Peace tries to win as a SK by looking like a heroic town vig- more power to him. That will mean he'll choose his targets carefully to either pick off scum for us or clear wifomy targets so we don't waste lynches. I don't mind a SK trying to work for town.

 

And you seem to be completely unable to accept the possibility that he's NOT a SK and is a vig instead btw. If RTE writes scenes for more than just flavor, that didn't seem like a SK type death scene to me.

[hazelkrs1]

I don't see why you should be so certain Peace isn't town. I think you're letting canon affect your judgement, which is gaming the mod in a way. Lucien could be SK, could be vig. Imo he comes off as more of a good guy in the movies.

 

Point is, Peace essentially proved he ain't on the mafia team.

 

Who do you think IS mafia Ithi?

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'm not happy about that scene.

 

Mond's shouldn't confirm anything about living players. Thats another thing that has me riled a bit.

 

The only reason I could think that RTE would think it was ok to confirm a player's character - would be if his alignment could NOT be determined with obviousness.

 

Otherwise is kind of cheating. I've never seen a character confirmed of a living player in a coronor report of the one they killed.

 

It really makes me uncomfortable.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Maybe Dap.

 

And the quiet people who I can't even remember are in the game.

 

If I could get to page 1 it would be easier to see who they are - but otherwise I can only really see who is active.

[hazelkrs1]

I see what you're saying, but RTE isn't the first mod to do something like that. I got a little upset at DPR even for giving too much away in his scenes in one game, and I've seen plenty of other mods do similar stuff.

 

Sounds like something a topic could be created for perhaps.

 

But you def didn't seem to disbelieve the Lucien character claim BTW. Even if it was confirmed, why does that bother you so? The scene didn't seem SK'ish, but that's obv still a possibility. Either way RTE didn't exactly spell out Peace's alignment for us. I don't see much IG a problem with it. Would be worse if it confirmed an obv town character like Kate Beckinsales character.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Well - when Peace started hinting at killer and I asked him for his character, I was already thinking he would claim Lucien and try for vig.

 

But when considering a basic game based on these stories - with cop, doc, mafia and supposed there could be a vig like in the only basic game I've ever played.

 

And I decided that would be lucien.

 

And Peace came back with lucien.

 

Which I kind of expected.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I see what you're saying, but RTE isn't the first mod to do something like that. I got a little upset at DPR even for giving too much away in his scenes in one game, and I've seen plenty of other mods do similar stuff.

 

Sounds like something a topic could be created for perhaps.

 

But you def didn't seem to disbelieve the Lucien character claim BTW. Even if it was confirmed, why does that bother you so? The scene didn't seem SK'ish, but that's obv still a possibility. Either way RTE didn't exactly spell out Peace's alignment for us. I don't see much IG a problem with it. Would be worse if it confirmed an obv town character like Kate Beckinsales character.

So you agree that it is possible he is not Town

[hazelkrs1]

Can you not use full version on your mobile ithi?

 

Just went back and checked, our lurkers seem to be Hallia, Vam, and Panchi. To a lesser extent Mish.