Ghost Mafia - 3 out of 33 survive - Town wins!

[John McClane]

Apparently I'm not going anywhere today so never mind.

 

Was that a hammer? What's the VC?

Not a hammer, she was feigning protown after I blew up her garbage case.

[Nolder]

I don't know about Kaylee but I think Cloud's behavior is far more notable tbh.

I'll get to that when the hour passes though. I don't want to distract from the current issue.

[John McClane]

Not backpeddling just trying to vote who I think is scum. If it bothers you that much

 

 

Vote Ape

Also, if this were a true statement you wouldn't have unvotd me. LOL

 

This is ridiculous.... Cloud, kaylee for sure. Darthe most likely, or nolder.

 

If I am scum and as scared of songstress as kaylee implies, why did I not push for her lynch and instead push for nolder, RTE, Darthe?

 

I mean if I was going to be obvious, then why not obvious then? Because its a stupid assertion snd a novice level planned narrative

[John McClane]

Scum team is wounded, They are isolated and going all in on this, lol

[Kaylee]

 

Not backpeddling just trying to vote who I think is scum. If it bothers you that much

 

 

Vote Ape

And thus proving my point, you are voting me for agenda.

 

You aren't really concerned with figuring out anything, you wot was a planned narrative. You unvote to act protown, never intent on considering an alternate.

 

So franking obvious it's disgusting

 

I have no agenda other than to get the remaining possessed. I'm re-voted you because there was a possessed FLIR viewing on you and I was getting frustrated.

 

I am concerned with figuring it out which I am currently working on. It takes awhile to search back through a game this size. The last WoT took me an hour. This one will take me longer.

 

Besides, I last used an FLIR at 2am, no new possessed since then. So if I'm scum then how did I get an FLIR camera? Doesn't make sense.

[Nolder]

You can spin all the wifom you want

It's not gonna mean squat when you're dead lol

[Tigraine]

I did not use the FLIR. I haven't had any actions the entire game or I would've spilled by now.

 

I know if ape flips town then I'm screwed for this but the camera hasn't been wrong so far so VOTE APE

[DPR]

The spirit works evil into the world the way a seamstress weaves a fabric - before you know it, it's tangled into everything...

 

It becomes unclear as to who is even making sense, and after so much death, so much mayhem - reality doesn't even seem real.

 

In the end, Tigraine decided to make a choice. "We're frazzled, but the camera doesn't lie. Lynch John."

 

Everybody stared at her... 

[DPR]

John shakes his head as the noose is fitted over it and then snugged tight. 

 

"You are all fools. I really don't know what else to do for you. God help me, I tried..."

[DPR]

Tigraine kicks the stool out from under John's feet, letting the rope pull taught. His feet jerk frenetically and his eyes roll into the back of his head...

[DPR]

His feet still, his body relaxes and he hangs quite still.

 

JOHN MCCLANE, POSSESSED, IS DEAD

[Nolder]

Rest in peace you dirty monkey

 

[DPR]

5:00 am

 

There are 3 possessed.

 

Withe 11 players, it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Deadline is in 48 hours. 

[John McClane]

 

 

 

Not backpeddling just trying to vote who I think is scum. If it bothers you that much

 

 

Vote Ape

And thus proving my point, you are voting me for agenda.

 

You aren't really concerned with figuring out anything, you wot was a planned narrative. You unvote to act protown, never intent on considering an alternate.

 

So franking obvious it's disgusting

I have no agenda other than to get the remaining possessed. I'm re-voted you because there was a possessed FLIR viewing on you and I was getting frustrated.

 

I am concerned with figuring it out which I am currently working on. It takes awhile to search back through a game this size. The last WoT took me an hour. This one will take me longer.

 

Besides, I last used an FLIR at 2am, no new possessed since then. So if I'm scum then how did I get an FLIR camera? Doesn't make sense.

It takes a while to figure out, but you put me closer to lynch. You are so full of crap, wow

[John McClane]

Ah, crap.

 

I can't believe I almost pulled that off.

[John McClane]

Bah.

[_CLOUD]

Finally.

 

I think Darthe is possesed too because of his 'vote controll'.

 

I will check page 112 tomorrow and try to figure something out, if anything.

[Tigraine]

You were starting to make me nervous there Wes. I was literally laughing out loud at how my name just KEPT turning up in the lynch scene.

 

Right after Ape was viewed he posted a couple times without saying anything except how awesome he is....the third post was when he finally decided to try pulling a fast one. Looks like something you would say first not third :)

[Kaylee]

You were starting to make me nervous there Wes. I was literally laughing out loud at how my name just KEPT turning up in the lynch scene.

 

Right after Ape was viewed he posted a couple times without saying anything except how awesome he is....the third post was when he finally decided to try pulling a fast one. Looks like something you would say first not third :)

That's why I decided to revote him. That and he was making me mad. Still doing my read through.

[Kaylee]

5:00 am

 

There are 3 possessed.

 

Withe 11 players, it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Deadline is in 48 hours.

There were 3 possessed last hour, that means someone else has been recruited I take it?

[Tigraine]

Who used the FLIR? Was that ever determined?

It was down between Rand and I right?

[Tigraine]

Another question...is it possible to become possessed when you are using the FLIR or not?

[Kaylee]

Only got to page 77, but I accidently bumped the reply to quotes instead of mulit-quote...so here's what I have so far.

 

Berfs: Started off seeming to play. (Would have voted,speculating about how the possessions
 work), votes Rand for breadcrumbing post # 919 pg 46

peace what mechanic then if not a recruiter?

 

 

Oh Nolder. Again with the possessive slip...

 

 

With TGlems, Rand, and Nolder on the Vam train...

 

Would love some EP-style scans right about now

^ How helpful (sarcasm)

 

 

Tigy: comes on pg 52 (to say she just noticed the game started) then this:

Once someone becomes possessed can they possess someone too or is it just the original possessed that can possess?

 

Does that make sense?

^Speculates on how the possessions work. Null tell.

 

 

Anyway in the interest of a lynch this hour unvote vote Vambram

 

Missed the deadline last time, not going to let that happen twice.

Jumps on to "not miss the lynch". Null tell, but could be playing a safe game.

 

 

 

 

 

So I AM in this game after all lol. I still don't have my role/alignment pm, so for now I'll start catching up under the presumption that I am third party unlynchable unkillable Survivor. Should be a challenge.

 

 

 

 

If I don't get modkilled or something, it is possible that he just hadn't sent the pm yet or something.... yeah I'm grasping at straws, but what do you expect? I prob just missed out on a chance to play in a most likely epic DPR mafia game.

 

*sob*

 

 

You won't get modkilled, but you have just bought the ire of twenty-odd players against you.

 

Swing in just before a lynch, claim the no-role-pm for a town wash (thinking, it couldn't possibly be a gambit on the third try, could it?), start clean for the third day... Hrmm. 

 

Kinda like you coming in just to consolidate? (Referring to the post before this one).

 

 

I'd love to see the scan on Talya, that is for certain.

Ok, any other thoughts?

 

 

 

 

I agree with Wombats tactics atm. I hate leaving lurkers around.

Vote RTE

Could also go on Verbal re: previous casing

 

I hate leaving lurkers around as well, but don't you think it would be a good idea to try to root out some possessed people? 

 

 

Assuming the Possessed are all active?

 

True they may not all be, or have been. However, more helpful to scum hunt rather than speculate about the game. Esp about someone who turned out scum. Hard to say when Leelou was possessed/recruited, but this still doesn't help.

 

 

Darthe, you still haven't explained what you figured out

Seems to be trying to figure things out..Null tell.

 

 

unvote, vote not bob.

 

 

Nice shot.

Again, just jumping on to vote. Granted this was an easy call. What about thoughts up to this point?

 

 

Ok, going to finish going through from here.

[RandA lThor]

 

Recruitment pattern

H1: 0 Possessed

H2: 2 Possessed (+2)

H3: 3 Possessed (+1)

H4: 3 Possessed (+0)

H5: 3 Possessed (+0)

H6: 4 Possessed (+1)

H7: 4 Possessed (+0)

H8: 4 Possessed (+0)

H9: 3 Possessed (-1)

 

Kills

H3: Notbob

H4: Ithi

H7: Leelou

H8: RTE

 

I think you're right, sorry. I am in fact very bad at math I'll admit that any day. And I shouldn't have gone off on you like that but it's very frustrating when so many people aren't even playing.

 

Anyway I thought about it and 8 is about the number of mafia I'd put in a vanilla 33 player game, maybe one more. I think DPR might give the mafia only 8 chances to recruit and the extra person/power comes in the fact that they can pick which 8 are on their team as the game goes on picking town leaders, people who have been previously cleared via FLIR, or people who are slipping by unnoticed. You may be right that they forgot to send their recruitment in but I'll bet you they only get one more. Remember this is town vs mafia, not town vs cult. 

 

Apology accepted, and I understand what you're saying.

 

This is also a great observation, and the recruit we have just seen above might have been the last one.  I don't think that the scum team would just miss a recruit, that would be incredibly embarassing, and I have only seen that a few times, and I don't think they would be lazy enough to do it in a DPR game.  Therefore I choose to believe that they decided not to have their recruit, and I think this means there is a limited amount.  Even if it isn't 8, I think there is some sort of limit, which would make it balanced.

 

Vote Nolder

 

Early view, viewed HIMSELF no less.... It's been 5-6 phases since, and his play is, as mentioned, all over the shop. It has also been mentioned that recruiting of those who are viewed is probably a valid scum tactic, and by the numbers alone the odds on Nolder being recruited are climbing. He knows the statute of innocence expired long ago. He has been recruited and thus the in-play wobbles. He needs 'something' to prove or help sustain his town image, so does all the runaround work collecting the posts in a nice little package. 

 

(If I wanted to add a stretch-goal of logic here, I would say flashing himself ( ) was a big neon sign saying recruit me, but I can't back that up. Consider this a directors cut inclusion)

 

These things in alignment and combined with my gut feeling I am comfortable with a Nolder Lynch.

 

 

 

Tress and co have asked for more contribution from the quiet ones which is me, for sure. I see town running in circles and seeing as I haven't been active much, I decided I couldn't really add to the logic case when I did skim through so any thoughts from me would only add to the confusion. Observe how well we are doing with so many voices so far.  I only act with conviction. I will consolidate a train, I will vote when presented with key evidence, and when I get time I build a case and vote, as above. It hasn't happened often this game because I haven't had many cases to build with all the crap being flung about.

 

For the record It wasn't me who Vig'd Tina. Which means a dead person did, or it was Tigs. 

This is a horrible post.  I berfed when I saw this.  Sorry for the horrible pun... not really.

 

As mentioned, is all over the shop?  I know I did the same thing, but at least I had said my reasons before, and said that it was mainly gut.  You can't just say its all over the shop without reasons.  Maybe you forgot everything except that he was scummy, and was using that instead?

 

The numbers for the odds of everyone being recruited are climbing, so bad.

 

You know who else does the runaround work to give town a "little package" to work with.  Town.

 

Lol at I will only vote in conviction.  You give your reasoning as gut and say that your main is him being all over the shop without reasons.  His chances of being converted are about the same as others.  You are being opportunistic at best.

 

 

 

 

However, what I am not is possessed. I can only assume scum has some sort of false detection ability. To get us to lynch one of our own.

 

 

Thank God.  unvote

 

 Wait, you're joking right?

 

However, what I am not is possessed. I can only assume scum has some sort of false detection ability. To get us to lynch one of our own.

A false detection ability that is conveniently used during the last FLIR?  Possibly the worst idea ever.  If they used it during the beginning ones, they would be able to sow dissension among every other FLIR view that happened thereafter.  

 

On top of that, we all started town as humans as mentioned in the scene!  No other things other than vigs and FLIRs have been seen.

 

Guys, totes serious here. I'm not a friggin spirit. 

 

You really think DPR designed the game this straight forward and didn't give scum teh ability to alter results in any way? Look at the amount of viewings and vig kills we've had relative to the amount of conversions we've seen. DPR has told us exactly how limited the conversion ability for scum is, and has told us exactly how many we are looking for in each phase.

 

It would be illogical for him NOT to provide scum with some sort of framing ability. Bad balance. With all the games he's designed, do you think he really effed the balance up that bad here?

 

THINK ABOUT IT. 

totes serious? lol, not a case, but I laughed when I saw that from you.

 

Yes I do think that.  As one of the two actions we have, it should be pure for balance purposes, especially because scum get to pick and choose their team.  DPR has not told us exactly how limited the conversion ability is, would you mind telling us because we know you're scum?  

 

... bad balance.  To have pure cop views.  That's part of the balance.

 

And trust me, I am thinking about it.

 

unvote

 

Ape has a point. I could see there being a fake flir.

WBK, why are you believing this?  This is the same flail that all scum give when going down, with some Ape twist on it.

 

Alright y'all if you need to lynch me now to see the truth, do it, because I'm 99% sure Cloud just showed his ass, so you have him, and you should probably move to some combination of Nolder, Darthe and Mish after that.

Yes, the one person going after a cop view is the scum.  This is horrible logic, the fact that two people believe it is really sad.

 

I find it hard to believe, it's too convenient, and I don't like convenient in mafia games.

 

But I've said before that Cloud is on his scum meta, and that kind of posts are exactly what he does when he's feeling full of himself and a bit too confident. It leeks through.

 

We have time to test Cloud today. If he's town; Ape goes down tomorrow. We're not gonna lose over that.

 

unvote

 

Anyone want to take credit for that FLIR? Hm?

 

Cloud was the first person to be given a FLIR. After that, we've had no way to check his allegiance;

 

 

Vote Cloud

Make that three people.  First of all, lynching Cloud does nothing over Ape's alliance, and I bet another scum would have come in and pointed that out, or probably Ape himself.  Nice try to make that link though.  Sus of you as well.

 

 

Mish is scum, and so are Kronos and Ape.

 

This is pathetic.

 

Yeah, I'm sure the WHOLE SCUM TEAM is sticking their necks out to save me... versus me just being framed and you being dirty.

 

Not logical at all. Someone seems like he's had his cheerios pissed in...

 

This is the only logical thing he has said since he was possessed.  The early people were confirmed for me before a new possessed was made.  Now we're back to square one.

 

I knew he was off!  I told you all.

 

Unvote Vote Cloud

 

 

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Et tu Darthe?  How is this happening!!

 

 

 

I knew he was off!  I told you all.

 

Unvote Vote Cloud

 

 

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Look at that y'all... frame no worky, Cloud showed his ass, his teammates are gonna start bussing him now? LOL

 

Scum has to be pitching a fit right now. 

 

More random WIFOM from Ape.  How do you guys believe this trash.  

 

I think Darthe's trying to say something about his vote being tampered with?

 

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I have a lot of problems with this.  First of all, how do we know there is vote controll in the game.  I am sus of this because the only possibility that I see that is likely is that scum started with a VC ability, probably 1-shot because we would have heard of it by now.  I am also surprised that Darthe was able to post this, seems to obvious a hint, well I didn't catch it, but still a hint.  I think Darthe might be lying about his vote control thing here, another candidate for scum along with Mish and berf.

 

We could lynch Darthe now, and then if he flips scum lynch Cloud. 

Holy crap, you get worse and worse.   Fine with lynching anyone except yourself.  Darthe and Cloud are not linked, stopped trying to set up lynches!

 

Ah, crap.

 

I can't believe I almost pulled that off.

Thank god we didn't fall for that.  The fact that you almost did is really really sad.  

 

OK, so in summary, I have mafia reads on Darthe, berf and Mish in that order.  Darthe and Mish for that interaction with Ape, which I think backfired and actually hurt scum more, since it gave town some good reads.  The scum team can thank Ape for that, juse because he thought he would get some extra time.  

 

I also am really sad that you guys believed that scum had a VC and a FLIR messer upper. The only possibility for the VC is that scum get gifts too, but I doubt that as we've seen nothing for that.

 

I think that Darthe should be lynched ASAP.

 

vote Darthe

 

I was just thinking that there might have been one mafia starting, because we went from 0 to 2 first night, and because DPR said in the first post that if you didn't get a role PM that you are town, implying there were some who got a role PM.  However, I forgot about the scene showing all as humans.  I tried removing all aspects of my case that had one starting mafia and replacing them with new cases with no starting mafia, but I might have forgotten some.

 

Anyways, there shouldn't be any sort of vote control in the game, which would explain why Darthe was allowed to hint out so much, and then say he is later in trouble.  Maybe he'll even fake a PR.  He should be mafia, and is the most likely to be.

 

However, even if he is town, by lynching him, we could hypothetically figure out that mafia have been getting presents which would give us much more info.  Which means either way a lynch for Darthe is good.

 

important below, all read

 

Also, on the setup of this game, I think mafia is either close to or has ran out of recruits for their team.  However, none of us are confirmed, except by claiming vig kills.  All FLIR views are gone, so now everyone who has made a vig kill from now on must claim.

 

Also, we know the FLIR view was true, so whoever made it, claim now.  I didn't do it, so someone must have.

 

Finally, before you use a vig kill we need to control it, so again, make a vote in italicized color for who you want to kill.  It can be different than your normal vote.

 

vote Darthe

[_CLOUD]

Vote Darthe

 

I don't believe that his vote controll was real and if you look at the timing it was just after I mentioned that Ape's FLIR thingy would be the first time a result has been altered this game. When Darthe made that post it gave extra support to Ape's case, and if he was in fact vote controlled I doubt he would hint at it.

 

I'm pretty sure that Mish is town. Kronos as well but to a lesser extent. 

 

I will go to bed now.