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We actually have several other clues that the other major death that was not in RJ's notes was Egwene. When asked directly about Egwene, Brandon has refused to answer. I need a new database tag to sort all this out. I might do 'wot deaths'.

I think there are several clues against it too.  

 

1) Egwene's death/absence as Amyrlin is mentioned in four of the POVs during the epilogue (Perrin's, Rand's, Tam's, Cadsuane's).

 

2) TJ and BS have said that only two main character fates (i.e. whether they lived or died) were not predetermined by RJ.  They have also said that one of these was Siuan.  By choosing to kill Siuan, they also essentially chose Gareth's fate as Warders don't tend to survive their AS's death, particularly in the middle of a battlefield.

 

3) If RJ left notes on all but two of the main character's fates, do you really think he would have left Egwene out?  She was the main female character, a parallel to Rand, and probably the most important/most main character after the three ta'veren.  I cannot believe he would have left a fate for Elayne, Min, Lan, Aviendha, etc. and not decided her fate, particularly when he spent an evening explaining to close friends how he planned the WoT to end.

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Brandon still had to edit the epilogue, and most of the Egwene references come in scenes he wrote. Even those that are RJ, Brandon still edited them, an added line of reference is not inconcievable. 

 

I think that RJ left Egwene's fate undecided - he had plans, but was not sure if she was to die or not. 

 

There is much to suggest this, as Terez has pointed out. 

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We actually have several other clues that the other major death that was not in RJ's notes was Egwene. When asked directly about Egwene, Brandon has refused to answer. I need a new database tag to sort all this out. I might do 'wot deaths'.

I think there are several clues against it too.  

 

1) Egwene's death/absence as Amyrlin is mentioned in four of the POVs during the epilogue (Perrin's, Rand's, Tam's, Cadsuane's).

 

2) TJ and BS have said that only two main character fates (i.e. whether they lived or died) were not predetermined by RJ.  They have also said that one of these was Siuan.  By choosing to kill Siuan, they also essentially chose Gareth's fate as Warders don't tend to survive their AS's death, particularly in the middle of a battlefield.

 

3) If RJ left notes on all but two of the main character's fates, do you really think he would have left Egwene out?  She was the main female character, a parallel to Rand, and probably the most important/most main character after the three ta'veren.  I cannot believe he would have left a fate for Elayne, Min, Lan, Aviendha, etc. and not decided her fate, particularly when he spent an evening explaining to close friends how he planned the WoT to end.

 

1) Egwene's absence as Amyrlin doesn't mean she's dead. She'd be burned out, and she'd no longer be Amyrlin. That's pretty clear enough. In that case, she'd be in a situation similar to Rand's, only she wouldn't have a new body.

 

2) RJ's notes could have had Gareth dying and not Siuan, though. 

 

3) I don't think he'd have not thought about Egwene's fate so much as not been sure how to deal with it. I'll say again that thematically, her dying or not dying are both equally valid ways to continue her parallels with Rand, her mirroring of Lanfear, etc. Stripped of the OP, Egwene would still be an incredibly powerful Dreamwalker, who always had an open offer from the Wise Ones to come live with them They would certainly have no objections to her joining them. Or RJ might have had ideas about having her come back as a Hero. Who even knows what happens when a Hero is a Dreamwalker (can someone ask this, by the way? Is it possible, and are there special results to this?)? The point is, RJ being uncertain about her fate is entirely possible.

 

Another indication of this is that he didn't say Bela would die, that was Harriet. There's no way RJ kills Egwene but leaves Bela alive. To me, that is actually the strongest proof of RJ's ambiguity on Egwene's fate. If she was to live, I have no doubts a burned out Egwene would have been seen riding Bela.

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We actually have several other clues that the other major death that was not in RJ's notes was Egwene. When asked directly about Egwene, Brandon has refused to answer. I need a new database tag to sort all this out. I might do 'wot deaths'.

I think there are several clues against it too.  

 

1) Egwene's death/absence as Amyrlin is mentioned in four of the POVs during the epilogue (Perrin's, Rand's, Tam's, Cadsuane's).

 

2) TJ and BS have said that only two main character fates (i.e. whether they lived or died) were not predetermined by RJ.  They have also said that one of these was Siuan.  By choosing to kill Siuan, they also essentially chose Gareth's fate as Warders don't tend to survive their AS's death, particularly in the middle of a battlefield.

 

3) If RJ left notes on all but two of the main character's fates, do you really think he would have left Egwene out?  She was the main female character, a parallel to Rand, and probably the most important/most main character after the three ta'veren.  I cannot believe he would have left a fate for Elayne, Min, Lan, Aviendha, etc. and not decided her fate, particularly when he spent an evening explaining to close friends how he planned the WoT to end.

 

1) Egwene's absence as Amyrlin doesn't mean she's dead. She'd be burned out, and she'd no longer be Amyrlin. That's pretty clear enough. In that case, she'd be in a situation similar to Rand's, only she wouldn't have a new body.

 

2) RJ's notes could have had Gareth dying and not Siuan, though. 

 

3) I don't think he'd have not thought about Egwene's fate so much as not been sure how to deal with it. I'll say again that thematically, her dying or not dying are both equally valid ways to continue her parallels with Rand, her mirroring of Lanfear, etc. Stripped of the OP, Egwene would still be an incredibly powerful Dreamwalker, who always had an open offer from the Wise Ones to come live with them They would certainly have no objections to her joining them. Or RJ might have had ideas about having her come back as a Hero. Who even knows what happens when a Hero is a Dreamwalker (can someone ask this, by the way? Is it possible, and are there special results to this?)? The point is, RJ being uncertain about her fate is entirely possible.

 

Another indication of this is that he didn't say Bela would die, that was Harriet. There's no way RJ kills Egwene but leaves Bela alive. To me, that is actually the strongest proof of RJ's ambiguity on Egwene's fate. If she was to live, I have no doubts a burned out Egwene would have been seen riding Bela.

 

If Bela counts as a main character (probably not from an authors perspective, but maybe from a fan's!) then we already have the two 'undecided deaths' - Siuan and Bela.  Hmm, I still just don't think RJ would have left Egwene's character without an ending.  Her arc, growth, and change were such a major part of the whole story.  I kind of feel like he would have known what would happen to at least Rand, Mat, Perrin, Egwene, Elayne, and Nynaeve for a long time.

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 By the very fact that Vora's Wand has no buffer, it can theoretically be used to draw more of the OP than the CK. What makes the CK impressive is that they allow one to draw so much OP safely.

I think we will have to agree to disagree.  I personally think that Egwene would have been able to draw the amount of power she drew through Vora's wand safely if she had drawn it through the CK, i.e. I think the amount that the CK allows you to draw (buffered) is on an exponentially higher level compared to Vora's wand/Callandor, etc.   This is based on comments by Lanfear, comments by Nynaeve and Egwene on witnessing Vora's wand used in a circle, and the reactions of other Aes Sedai to channelers using Vora's wand and the CK.  

 

Saangreal, much like channeleres have built in strength. The lack of a buffer on Vora's Saangreal means that Egwene could draw somewhat more saidar than safely, if she wanted to risk burnout or death, but still nowhere near the CK. I've theorized that angreal and sa'angreal can be compared to tunnels or pipes connecting the channeler to the OP. A wider pipe can allow one to channel exponentially more of the OP than unaided, but even pipes have limitations. If the pipe doesn't narrow sufficiently at the junction between *angreal and channeler (or have a 'closing valve') the channeler risks being burned out by having the 'water' damage the junction, or death by 'drowning' the channeler. The valve/junction etc acts as the buffer, to prevent the channeler from being overwhelmed. A 5" diameter pipe can provide a heckuva lot of OP, but a 10' pipe can bring in an entire lake. Either can cause lots of damage if it bursts or the connections are not stable, but a faulty valve on a 5" pipe is inherently far more dangerous than a perfect valve on the 10 foot one. 

It's not a perfect analogy, but i think it demonstrates that RJ based his magic on real world principles of physics.

 

 

 

 

We actually have several other clues that the other major death that was not in RJ's notes was Egwene. When asked directly about Egwene, Brandon has refused to answer. I need a new database tag to sort all this out. I might do 'wot deaths'.

I think there are several clues against it too.  

 

1) Egwene's death/absence as Amyrlin is mentioned in four of the POVs during the epilogue (Perrin's, Rand's, Tam's, Cadsuane's).

 

2) TJ and BS have said that only two main character fates (i.e. whether they lived or died) were not predetermined by RJ.  They have also said that one of these was Siuan.  By choosing to kill Siuan, they also essentially chose Gareth's fate as Warders don't tend to survive their AS's death, particularly in the middle of a battlefield.

 

3) If RJ left notes on all but two of the main character's fates, do you really think he would have left Egwene out?  She was the main female character, a parallel to Rand, and probably the most important/most main character after the three ta'veren.  I cannot believe he would have left a fate for Elayne, Min, Lan, Aviendha, etc. and not decided her fate, particularly when he spent an evening explaining to close friends how he planned the WoT to end.

 

1) Egwene's absence as Amyrlin doesn't mean she's dead. She'd be burned out, and she'd no longer be Amyrlin. That's pretty clear enough. In that case, she'd be in a situation similar to Rand's, only she wouldn't have a new body.

 

2) RJ's notes could have had Gareth dying and not Siuan, though. 

 

3) I don't think he'd have not thought about Egwene's fate so much as not been sure how to deal with it. I'll say again that thematically, her dying or not dying are both equally valid ways to continue her parallels with Rand, her mirroring of Lanfear, etc. Stripped of the OP, Egwene would still be an incredibly powerful Dreamwalker, who always had an open offer from the Wise Ones to come live with them They would certainly have no objections to her joining them. Or RJ might have had ideas about having her come back as a Hero. Who even knows what happens when a Hero is a Dreamwalker (can someone ask this, by the way? Is it possible, and are there special results to this?)? The point is, RJ being uncertain about her fate is entirely possible.

 

Another indication of this is that he didn't say Bela would die, that was Harriet. There's no way RJ kills Egwene but leaves Bela alive. To me, that is actually the strongest proof of RJ's ambiguity on Egwene's fate. If she was to live, I have no doubts a burned out Egwene would have been seen riding Bela.

 

If Bela counts as a main character (probably not from an authors perspective, but maybe from a fan's!) then we already have the two 'undecided deaths' - Siuan and Bela.  Hmm, I still just don't think RJ would have left Egwene's character without an ending.  Her arc, growth, and change were such a major part of the whole story.  I kind of feel like he would have known what would happen to at least Rand, Mat, Perrin, Egwene, Elayne, and Nynaeve for a long time.

 

I don't think RJ made any decision for Bela - simply put, she just was not that important. And he did indicate that the major generals would die. I think the major character that BS killed off was either Taim (his promotion to Forsaken felt like BS writing to me, although that could have been in the notes). I think Egwene was killed off by RJ but the time and place were not so clear.

Birgette is another possibility, and her resurrection from the horn felt like BS work to me as well. She's not exactly minor, but neither would she be major along the lines of Siuan or Egwene. 

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