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jedman67

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  1. YES! THIS is my one big problem with wot immature women who should be all grown up.
  2. I am fairly certain that somewhere in the books it is stated that any shorebound teacher (of channeling, or anything else) is treated as being equivalent to a deckhand. But they pay them well. They recognize the necessity, but view academics as an inferior way to learn something - you learn by doing and by training and by climbing the ranks. The shorebound are "weak" and have no concept of rank or influence (and the AS system of raw channeling strength as a measure of rank always felt wrong to me, somehow).
  3. Which, let's be honest, isn't a very realistic outlook. What kind of culture regards being a teacher as being just short of a deckhand, and actually seems to find it shaming? I always took the Sea Folk's position on the Aes Sedai teachers as a defense mechanism more than anything else. I mean, really, if you and your people had managed to avoid WT entanglements for pretty much ever and you got the opportunity to learn from them, knowing how they always march in and take over and turn everyone into obedient lapdogs (be it from bullying or manipulation), would you want to take any chances that your entire race ends up being controlled by the WT? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd want to make sure the "teachers" knew their place and that they would not be taking over or manipulating my people at all, and would want to go out of my way to make them fear us instead of the other way around. Additionally, the Sea Folk knew the AS would somehow end up stealing every last channeler from them given half a chance, and wanted to nip that in the bud. The scene where they abused Nynaeve irritated me to no end, and I find most of the Sea Folk detestable, but I can't blame them for wanting to get the upper hand with the AS...otherwise, they would've ended up obeying the AS and jumping when the bloody women clapped. The Sea Folk had a very strict hierarchy and ranking in their culture. There was no need of teachers, as there were few students. When a member of the SF comes of age (probably 11 or so) they start working to "earn their pay". At around 15, they are required to become apprenticed (how apprenticeships work is unclear). They learn by seeing and by doing and by discipline for not doing fast enough. The culture disdains academic education because it gets in the way of learning by doing. I always took the Sea Folk's position on the Aes Sedai teachers as a defense mechanism more than anything else. I mean, really, if you and your people had managed to avoid WT entanglements for pretty much ever and you got the opportunity to learn from them, knowing how they always march in and take over and turn everyone into obedient lapdogs (be it from bullying or manipulation), would you want to take any chances that your entire race ends up being controlled by the WT? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd want to make sure the "teachers" knew their place and that they would not be taking over or manipulating my people at all, and would want to go out of my way to make them fear us instead of the other way around. Additionally, the Sea Folk knew the AS would somehow end up stealing every last channeler from them given half a chance, and wanted to nip that in the bud. The scene where they abused Nynaeve irritated me to no end, and I find most of the Sea Folk detestable, but I can't blame them for wanting to get the upper hand with the AS...otherwise, they would've ended up obeying the AS and jumping when the bloody women clapped. Except it isn't only Aes Sedai teachers that are treated this way, it's ANY teacher from outside the Sea Folk. They treat teachers and instructors so badly that the Sea Folk have to literally offer BAGS of gold just to get people to agree to come on board and instruct for a period of time, regardless of what they're supposed to be there to teach. On the contrary, it's only channelers - specifically AS - that are treated so poorly. Nynaeve wasn't "abused", the windfinders were merely being very forceful in their teaching, standard practice among the athan meire. Although i think they were a little harsh on her, it wasn't unjustified IMO
  4. Really? What is the Creator? Is he a god? Or is he a just a "creator"? (Gods have worshippers. He has not any worshippers at all, so what does that mean?) Duality is very important in the world of WoT. But the Creator is a male and the DO is male too. Why? (Or is it possible that the DO is a female who stands behind a curtain - a la Oz? Ok, Oz is not a female ) The DO's power then bigger than the Creator's? Not bigger, just different. They manifest in different ways. OP is a duality, of both calm and chaos working to/against each other - that is the Source. The TP is more raw, so it can be used more powerfully.
  5. i don't think this was the longing, it was the trials of doing so much hard traveling (even with gateways, it's still a challenge!) as well as what he had to do - warn the Elders that Trollocs could come out of any gateway, and being considered a child by most - that took the sitzfleisch out of him.
  6. Which leads to the question, how could elayne copy the terangreal if it "melted" weaves?
  7. i would imagine that it would work, as the AS herself is not using the power as a weapon. she's merely a construct in this case.
  8. Sigh. Yes it's justified. But since when have justifications ever made me feel better about a villain being screwed over a chance to look awesome while the heroes get to be badass? Semhirage and Graendal did a fair job for themselves. Semi was a healer-turned sadistic torturer; and was as skilled a manipulator as anyone alive. Aginor's really the only one who has to start from scratch.
  9. None of them thought they would lose, or that the world would change so much if they did.
  10. The DO gave them those names. Their old names "died" when they did. You shouldn't be so flippant about disobeying a directive from the Great Lord of the Dark
  11. I don't remember the exact quote; but Logain said something along the lines that Taim would have held back the dragon pin [from Logain] if he dared. But Logain was too strong and too well trained, and too public for him to refuse raising him to Asha'man. I would theorize that it would take Logain about a month of hard riding to make it all the way to caemlyn. He would have to cross half of Altara and the entire Murandy, and half of Andor. Of course, he could have ran into one of the Black Towers recruiting parties and asked to be tested; or perhaps he went to his estates - being a lord of murandy prior to declaring himself the dragon reborn, he could have had some access to his familys wealth. So it's probably about 30 days from the AS camp, and was probably raised to full ashaman shortly after.
  12. I just read an interesting piece. When Cadsuane goes to the Sun Palace in the winter, she confronts Alanna. Alanna embraces the source, and Cads feels one of her hair ornaments go slightly cold. (PoD) Mayhaps another weave-blocking terangreal, like Mat's medallion?
  13. reversing is inverting while weaving, instead of after weaving, IIRC.
  14. The empire has an order to its stability and instability. The imperial family and the Blood take extensive precautions to protect the throne and the empress (not necessarily the current empress). The Emperor or Empress has many children, and only the best survive to ascent the throne; the surviving siblings and relatives would only plot to take the throne if they could rationalize it for the good of the empire. It's as well that the Crystal Throne is a terangreal leaving the viewers in awe of the person who sits on it; that also makes it difficult for others to plot against it. Remember, it took a Forsaken - one of the thirteen most powerful channelers ever, with knowledge that most people couldn't even dream of, who even before she was Chosen took special pride in torture - to throw the continent in chaos. That is actually very hard to do though, and even after that it was probably not that much worse than most of Randland, which was in utter chaos, and where a single gleeman could throw a major nation like Carheien into civil war. The division of the Westlands would also seem to be responsible for the widespread depopulation. Thoms actions in Carhain were only made possible by the major instability already there. If he didn't do it, someone else would
  15. both @Sutt/BFG: thanks for the quotes; i completely missed the ToM one. Again, I don't think he [personally] killed Galldrian, but those quotes are certainly suggestive that he had a hand in it (not that would make much of a difference). Also, the Thom line is a bit blunt. ("I wonder who could have told her that I murdered the king of Carhein in revenge for killing my lover? Nah, couldn't be that.")
  16. I personally take that quote with a grain of salt, being that my impression from the books is otherwise. RJ did handwave some stuff over the series tho.
  17. I don't believe that Thom was responsible for Galldrians death (not that he couldn't have had any part in it) but he was most likely killed after the death of Lord Barthanes after Rand & co. left Carhein to find Fain. I'm now remembering that Barthanes was torn apart - the gholam or a really pissed Forsaken?
  18. Any weave that's tied off can eventually collapse depending on how tight or loose its tied. we see plenty of examples over the series; as well as weaves that are tied off and meant to last forever. I have seen no indication that properly done, any weave - including gateways - will not last forever or until untied.
  19. Wasting time!? I don't think that's a very fair description of what Nynaeve was doing. Since she'd last spoken to Egwene I believe she had cleansed saidin, sent Lan to the Borderlands, assisted in fighting off the shadowspawn (and the subsequent healing of injured soldiers) in the attack on the mansion in Tear, been helping to keep Rand sane (she was the only AS he trusted), prevented him from slaughtering the Borderlanders, healing madness, and generally helping Rand. I can't believe Egwene would actually think Nynaeve was sitting around doing nothing. She knew Nynaeve was with Rand. The problem was that Nynaeve was a bit of a maverick at that point. She had been avoiding Egwene for some time, and while it was important for someone to be close to Rand, the White Tower - and Egwene - needed her support.
  20. I think one of the reasons Fain didn't make it as far as Rand is precisely because RJ/BS/TJ (team Jordan) wanted to avoid similarities between LotR and WoT, especially given the similarities back at the beginning of the Eye. Great, now I can only think of Fain holding the dagger and calling it "My Precious"! despite the many similarities between various archetypes/characters in LotR and WoT, i never once felt that i was reading or seeing LotR characters in WoT. Although now i'm wondering why Rand didn't have to save the cheerleader in order to save the world....
  21. best to read in order of publication; you might miss something here or there. Some stuff does overlap, but there is also major plot development independent of each other. If anything, I'd say simply skim through all the Perrin/Faile chapters in those books, it's considered by many to be the mid-series drag. Also, the Mat scenes are a bit of a drag up until KoD; some significant plot development but also some useless filler.
  22. Off-topic, but one thing that always bugged me a bit was how different the One Power operated from the first book to how it operated in the rest of the series. Try as I might, I can't equate the golden tendrils and all the rest that are described in the first book by Rand with anything he describes later in the series. Also, I always thought that Robert Jordan's handwaving of that invisibility ward that Moiraine used ("It was all a novice trick!") was pretty lazy, especially as it doesn't even ripple when someone moves behind it like it's supposed to. Rand Tied off the gateway he made when he led the saldean army to take over illian. And from that section, we know rand can read residues. As for the invisibility thing, i dont recall moiraine calling it a novice trick (the eavesdropping was) she explained it to be 'simple bending of light'; and it was "fastened" to the floor, not to any individual. It won't ripple, because the "surface" of the illusion is not disturbed by someone moving behind it; however, with elaynes invisibility terangreal, since the invisibility is fastened to an object or person that's in motion, the weaves can "shake" causing the ripples. Theoretically, someone can make an invisibility weave over themselves, invert the weaves, and prance around naked with no telltale ripples; providing the weaves are fastened very closely to the persons skin. (Which may be how Alanna escaped from Tear in ToM, if she inverted her illusion and placed it over her suitcases).
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